Originally posted by Rabidaskal Paraphrasing some other poster somewhere. "Vanguard will fail, because $OE is evil. This has gone far beyond normal reason or logic. This is now religion."
Sure, some ex-SW:G players may hate $OE, and with pretty good reason too, IMO. But honestly, that has no relevance to Vanguard. Sigil is making, designing and producing the game. $oe is just thier publisher. You know, they're gonna make the boxes and get them on the shelves, and host the game. Kinda hard to fool around with the gameplay, since they have nothing at all to do with it.
But to say that Vanguard will fail simply because of the $OE deal is, honestly, is not reason, logic or religion, it's just breathtaking stupidity. It will be sucessful, or fail based almost entirely upon whether it's a fun game or not.
From what I've read and seen of the game so far, it looks great. Meaningful tradeskills sphere plus adventuring sphere, plus a diplomacy sphere. And flying mounts! The creators of the game post regularly on various forums, which shows how much this game means to them. Ever seen the owner of Funcom post anywhere at all? Or World of Raidcraft C.E.O. post anything about thier crappy servers? I didn't think so.
Don't listen to all the (rightfully) angry ex-SW:G players spewing venom about Vanguard based on the $OE deal. They are just mad, and don't have the most remote idea of what they are taking about. At all.
Those that know, don't need to be told. Those that don't know, won't listen.
Vanguard will probably sell well and everything will be fine. After a year SOE starts commenting the games revenue to Sigil. They could be better if the game was more like WoW. Sigil does not care and continous like they have done so far. Over the next months SOE keeps pushing Sigil to make changes so the game will be easier for a broader audience. Sigil gets tired of the constant harrasment of SOE and sell out. SOE takes over and start their enhancements of the game.
At this point, you as a player have made friends ingame. You have built your city and put lots of time in your guild. Then the changes start comming. Your friends get annoyd over the many bugs and horrible changes to the gameplay. Then SOE start lying about changes, bugfixes and progress of the game. Slowly your friends will get angry and quit. Everything you built up is vanishing before your eyes. Then you quit to. Game over.
I have played Star Wars Galaxies for 2.5 years. SOE have no idea what they are doing. They have no plan for the game. They are only interested in making money. They will take control over Vanguard, and they will destroy it!
Originally posted by Jenell Vanguard will probably sell well and everything will be fine. After a year SOE starts commenting the games revenue to Sigil. They could be better if the game was more like WoW. Sigil does not care and continous like they have done so far. Over the next months SOE keeps pushing Sigil to make changes so the game will be easier for a broader audience. Sigil gets tired of the constant harrasment of SOE and sell out. SOE takes over and start their enhancements of the game. At this point, you as a player have made friends ingame. You have built your city and put lots of time in your guild. Then the changes start comming. Your friends get annoyd over the many bugs and horrible changes to the gameplay. Then SOE start lying about changes, bugfixes and progress of the game. Slowly your friends will get angry and quit. Everything you built up is vanishing before your eyes. Then you quit to. Game over. I have played Star Wars Galaxies for 2.5 years. SOE have no idea what they are doing. They have no plan for the game. They are only interested in making money. They will take control over Vanguard, and they will destroy it!
The difference between EQ2, SWG and Vanguard is that the first two didn't have the deal Sigil has with SOE. And SOE had their influence in EQ2 and SWG because they quite frankly owned the games IP rights. SOE does not own the IP rights to Vanguard, making a huge difference. Yes, SOE can always pressure Sigil to make changes...but hey, now Sigil is doing all the developement and SOE is just getting money as they don't have to waste their resources on game developement.
And lets be honest, Vision or not, if I was Brad and after Vanguard SOH became even just a mediocre hit, and SOE said "Brad, we wanna shut down EQ2 and use Vanguard as our flagship game. Here's eleventy billion dollars, want to to buy it." Guess what I would do? Damn straight.
Folks, you can talk and talk and talk and talk, but ultimately it's the $$$$$ that counts, regardless of who publishes the game.
It just so happens though that SOE kills kittens with each new subscription! (Disclaimer: IT'S A JOKE! /hides from SOE legal beagle's)
Btw, where's my eye candy videos, examples of this awesome combat system and explanations of how the classes will work and/or be balanced?
I'm begging the Vanguard SOH supporters to show me this. The lore alone has me tempted to try it out, but having a sore arse from dealing with SOE in the past is keeping me away.
Originally posted by Binny45 Btw, where's my eye candy videos, examples of this awesome combat system and explanations of how the classes will work and/or be balanced? I'm begging the Vanguard SOH supporters to show me this. The lore alone has me tempted to try it out, but having a sore arse from dealing with SOE in the past is keeping me away.
There isn't to much out there, i am guessing we will see more animation type videos once they finally install there new animation engine.
Originally posted by Binny45 Btw, where's my eye candy videos, examples of this awesome combat system and explanations of how the classes will work and/or be balanced? I'm begging the Vanguard SOH supporters to show me this. The lore alone has me tempted to try it out, but having a sore arse from dealing with SOE in the past is keeping me away.
I've accumulated the sites that have videos and some reviews on the main page of my guildportal site. It's not a flashy web page, but you can get the links you need from there without me copy and pasting all the info.
Originally posted by Rabidaskal Paraphrasing some other poster somewhere. "Vanguard will fail, because $OE is evil. This has gone far beyond normal reason or logic. This is now religion."
That and because it's cool too. Honestly, i don't see why people hate SOE for EQ and EQ2. I played EQ in beta and until luclin then quit (but not because of it direction but because i had better things to do). I got EQ2 a couple months ago and still play it (i tried wow too and perfer eq2). I recently got back in EQ (i have station access) and i like alot of the stuff they did. I need to get the titanium box... (so i get all exp).
For SWG, i can understand. Playing since beta 3 and it's not good now... it's buggy and feel like shit. I actually liked the initial design and idea, but since i'm in software engineering, i can see why they had so much trouble pre-cu. IMO (yeah, i had a pre-cu jedi if you wonder), they should have sticked with CU... they would have get all the people bored from wow i'm pretty sure. They have something on TC atm, and it's better then what it's on live. But let's face it, SWG was a buggy game since day 1 and it never really turned out in something to drag 500k players. And when WoW got out, it took it's first big strikes.
Vanguard will probably be the next big thing, i agree. And from my experiences, i don't mind about SOE getting in the picture, not at all. I've applied for beta through a mag and i can't wait to try it out.
Originally posted by matraque Originally posted by Rabidaskal Paraphrasing some other poster somewhere. "Vanguard will fail, because $OE is evil. This has gone far beyond normal reason or logic. This is now religion."
That and because it's cool too. Honestly, i don't see why people hate SOE for EQ and EQ2. I played EQ in beta and until luclin then quit (but not because of it direction but because i had better things to do). I got EQ2 a couple months ago and still play it (i tried wow too and perfer eq2). I recently got back in EQ (i have station access) and i like alot of the stuff they did. I need to get the titanium box... (so i get all exp).
For SWG, i can understand. Playing since beta 3 and it's not good now... it's buggy and feel like shit. I actually liked the initial design and idea, but since i'm in software engineering, i can see why they had so much trouble pre-cu. IMO (yeah, i had a pre-cu jedi if you wonder), they should have sticked with CU... they would have get all the people bored from wow i'm pretty sure. They have something on TC atm, and it's better then what it's on live. But let's face it, SWG was a buggy game since day 1 and it never really turned out in something to drag 500k players. And when WoW got out, it took it's first big strikes.
Vanguard will probably be the next big thing, i agree. And from my experiences, i don't mind about SOE getting in the picture, not at all. I've applied for beta through a mag and i can't wait to try it out.
well its true maybe SWG was destined to fail ... because expectation for subscriptions based on the franchise name alone were too high ...if a company takes the position that a game can be sub par but still attract a domineering subscription base because of its cult fan franchise name .. thats what will happen ...
SWG not only needed the star wars name .. it needed to be as perfect and special as it could be ... because living in a star wars world was what many of its fans had dreamed of for years and they expected a profound and special experience ... which wasnt delivered... the game was mediocre to poor from its onset.... it was released during a time of transition and shortly after you had more beautiful games and more innovative games released onto the market and it snuffed SWG's success ...
as far as the next big thing .. i think theres a reason why the current top seed of "upcoming games" is 5 points ahead of the distant second in competition and it isnt vanguard ...
vanguard may be good .. it may not ... SOE may screw it up .. they may not ..
but i would advise you not to look here for the next explosion in mmorpg gaming .. vanguard even if its successfull will still be a semi-niche game in that it doesnt have the style to bring in the mass droves of players games like WOW do ... for better or worse i truely believe this is the case ... i can get into details but its all been stated here before ...
and im not saying the vanguard fans wont love the game .... the way its being constructed though is not really for mass audience ... so i think the people that like it will LOVE it .. and the people who dont love it wont play it ...
warhammer online .. that is a different story, in that it has the right formula for mass audience acceptance .. ( similar to wow) but if the devs do it right ... with a little more complexity and depth than wow , they can draw in the few remaining niche players which didnt like WOW.. WARHAMMER can and probably will be the " next big thing"
Originally posted by NeuroXl Originally posted by matraque Originally posted by Rabidaskal Paraphrasing some other poster somewhere. "Vanguard will fail, because $OE is evil. This has gone far beyond normal reason or logic. This is now religion."
That and because it's cool too. Honestly, i don't see why people hate SOE for EQ and EQ2. I played EQ in beta and until luclin then quit (but not because of it direction but because i had better things to do). I got EQ2 a couple months ago and still play it (i tried wow too and perfer eq2). I recently got back in EQ (i have station access) and i like alot of the stuff they did. I need to get the titanium box... (so i get all exp).
For SWG, i can understand. Playing since beta 3 and it's not good now... it's buggy and feel like shit. I actually liked the initial design and idea, but since i'm in software engineering, i can see why they had so much trouble pre-cu. IMO (yeah, i had a pre-cu jedi if you wonder), they should have sticked with CU... they would have get all the people bored from wow i'm pretty sure. They have something on TC atm, and it's better then what it's on live. But let's face it, SWG was a buggy game since day 1 and it never really turned out in something to drag 500k players. And when WoW got out, it took it's first big strikes.
Vanguard will probably be the next big thing, i agree. And from my experiences, i don't mind about SOE getting in the picture, not at all. I've applied for beta through a mag and i can't wait to try it out.
well its true maybe SWG was destined to fail ... because expectation for subscriptions based on the franchise name alone were too high ...if a company takes the position that a game can be sub par but still attract a domineering subscription base because of its cult fan franchise name .. thats what will happen ...
SWG not only needed the star wars name .. it needed to be as perfect and special as it could be ... because living in a star wars world was what many of its fans had dreamed of for years and they expected a profound and special experience ... which wasnt delivered... the game was mediocre to poor from its onset.... it was released during a time of transition and shortly after you had more beautiful games and more innovative games released onto the market and it snuffed SWG's success ...
as far as the next big thing .. i think theres a reason why the current top seed of "upcoming games" is 5 points ahead of the distant second in competition and it isnt vanguard ...
vanguard may be good .. it may not ... SOE may screw it up .. they may not ..
but i would advise you not to look here for the next explosion in mmorpg gaming .. vanguard even if its successfull will still be a semi-niche game in that it doesnt have the style to bring in the mass droves of players games like WOW do ... for better or worse i truely believe this is the case ... i can get into details but its all been stated here before ...
and im not saying the vanguard fans wont love the game .... the way its being constructed though is not really for mass audience ... so i think the people that like it will LOVE it .. and the people who dont love it wont play it ...
warhammer online .. that is a different story, in that it has the right formula for mass audience acceptance .. ( similar to wow) but if the devs do it right ... with a little more ceomplexity and depth than wow , they can draw in the few remaining niche players which didnt like WOW.. WARHAMMER can and probably will be the " next big thing"
Yeah, Warhammer looks pretty nice too. Sure, vanguard may be a niche game... but i think i can have a lot of fun with it until the next wave comes. Thats what i hate about MMOs now... it's mainstream dammit !
Originally posted by VengefulI'm confused as to why you continue to post if you don't want anything to do with Vanguard. Do you feel as though you have some sort of obligation to the community? Do you have some warriors call to fight the good fight? Or does it please you to spew bile all over every forum you get access to?
Oh Dear Vengy-Mafoo!
Shayde is a very nice person and yes, Shayde try to help this online community.
I find it amusing how much peoples write about Vanguard here, if it ever reach EvE fanbase, I will applaud, I promise! The wall is going to hurt...BAD! But who am I to say so?
Me of all peoples? Tiny little me!
See, in 1998, peoples didn't understand that raiding thingy, they try EQ and ENJOY grouping/soloing online. Not even EQ was a raiding success, in fact, a raiding success is something that will never happen. WoW success is based on the solo/grouping component the player get at level 1, not about anything silly at level 60+!
But believe what you want...raiding hurt any property, any franchise. WoW just show how strong the Blizzard fanboi support WAS, to be they prolly lose about half of this fanboi support...still keeping half make them more popular then EQ and Vanguard will ever be.
A WIN SCREEN saying: YOU WIN at level 60 would be better than that raiding 'end-game', but believe what you want, dear little Vengy!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Malakai Well it looks like Vanguard was a success at E3. As one wise poster in another thread said, a good 50% of the subscribers will come from people who read magazine/internet reviews and I believe that to be true. So between that and the consumer who sees the game in the store(which I can guarantee that SOE will have it everywhere) and takes interest, all the built in fan base from the Everquest fans, Vanguard has nothing to worry about. A few whiney cry babies from these forums are not going to make a difference. Sigil and SOE won't even miss your money and the Vanguard fans won't miss you either. Good riddence. Here are a few links to some reports on Vanguard for you viewing pleasure. Tom McNamare from IGN Andrew Park from Gamespot Another from Andrew Park Jeff Green from Computer Gaming Magazine Let the crying begin
Awesome post, Malakai. I'm going to go read those reviews over again, I'm loving this stuff.
Originally posted by _Shadowmage Hmmm - you missed the review from Actiontrip where they gave it a bit of a lambasting
Guess what? No one ever heard of Actiontrip before they gave Vanguard a bad review. Sounds like a good move for them publicity wise. I for one could give a rat's rear what they think. Check the OP and the nice reviews Vanguard got. It's the game, it's the one.
Originally posted by ShaydeWow.... THAT'S a selling point. Like saying Domino's Pizza is now available with dead cockroaches and cow dung for the same low low price.
Yikes, you're really slipping. Wanna take another stab at that analogy or are you committing to this one? LOL
Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by VengefulI'm confused as to why you continue to post if you don't want anything to do with Vanguard. Do you feel as though you have some sort of obligation to the community? Do you have some warriors call to fight the good fight? Or does it please you to spew bile all over every forum you get access to?
Oh Dear Vengy-Mafoo!
Shayde is a very nice person and yes, Shayde try to help this online community.
I find it amusing how much peoples write about Vanguard here, if it ever reach EvE fanbase, I will applaud, I promise! The wall is going to hurt...BAD! But who am I to say so?
Me of all peoples? Tiny little me!
See, in 1998, peoples didn't understand that raiding thingy, they try EQ and ENJOY grouping/soloing online. Not even EQ was a raiding success, in fact, a raiding success is something that will never happen. WoW success is based on the solo/grouping component the player get at level 1, not about anything silly at level 60+!
But believe what you want...raiding hurt any property, any franchise. WoW just show how strong the Blizzard fanboi support WAS, to be they prolly lose about half of this fanboi support...still keeping half make them more popular then EQ and Vanguard will ever be.
A WIN SCREEN saying: YOU WIN at level 60 would be better than that raiding 'end-game', but believe what you want, dear little Vengy!
I don't agree. I started playing EQ back in '99 about 30 days post gold. Raiding was big part of the game. From my experiances on Mith Marr,Raiding was the best and until the instances craze started. The only way to get the "Uber" gear. It took 2 raids to get Ragebringer my Rogues super stabber.
Even though I am not a Raider anymore(not enough time ) I think that Raiding is vital to any game that truely aspires to be EQ's spiritual successor.
Shayde is a very nice person and yes, Shayde try to help this online community.
Shayde is a nice person, like us all. But when it comes to helping this online community, I disagree. You need to be objective to truly try and help people. Condemning Vanguard on the basis that SOE will be setting up servers and printing box art is not objective in any way.
None of it matters really though. Vanguard will fly or flop based on the game itself, not on the less than 1% of gamers who are so jaded as to condemn the game based on its publisher. Just remember, Sigil is the one and only developer of Vanguard.
I understand being upset with SOE over what they did with SWG, but any sane person would not boycott Outback Steakhouse because they got stung by a jellyfish in Australia.
Ok so you think that this game vangaurd, which was dropped by mirosoft. You think this is going to be a great game? this game is almost exactly like WoW. No i one cares abou this game, and if 50% of their coustomers will come from internet and mag they wont get very many people to play. No ones goig to leave WoW to play this POS and no one is going to pay SOE anymoney. You will see it flop and Brad ( who says he loves you fanbois so much) will drink him self to death, it will be funny,
Originally posted by Benz00 Ok so you think that this game vangaurd, which was dropped by mirosoft. You think this is going to be a great game? this game is almost exactly like WoW. No i one cares abou this game, and if 50% of their coustomers will come from internet and mag they wont get very many people to play. No ones goig to leave WoW to play this POS and no one is going to pay SOE anymoney. You will see it flop and Brad ( who says he loves you fanbois so much) will drink him self to death, it will be funny,
Wow.. just wow.
I'm 100% positive people who read THAT will take it to heart. Once it is decyphered.
I mean, that post just SCREAMS quality.
"No I one cares abou this game" ?????
You just made the game look better.
And this game ISNT like WoW, it isnt designed to be like WoW, it isnt suppose to compete with WoW.
I'm having a hard time holding back any personal comments on that one, wow.
Originally posted by JMoney95 Originally posted by Benz00 Ok so you think that this game vangaurd, which was dropped by mirosoft. You think this is going to be a great game? this game is almost exactly like WoW. No i one cares abou this game, and if 50% of their coustomers will come from internet and mag they wont get very many people to play. No ones goig to leave WoW to play this POS and no one is going to pay SOE anymoney. You will see it flop and Brad ( who says he loves you fanbois so much) will drink him self to death, it will be funny,
Wow.. just wow.
I'm 100% positive people who read THAT will take it to heart. Once it is decyphered.
I mean, that post just SCREAMS quality.
"No I one cares abou this game" ?????
You just made the game look better.
And this game ISNT like WoW, it isnt designed to be like WoW, it isnt suppose to compete with WoW.
I'm having a hard time holding back any personal comments on that one, wow.
maybe the guy is european and english is his second language ...
instead of trolling to rebute any and all negative statements about this game .. why dont you appreciate the fact that he is trying to communicate with you, using YOUR language?
after all its most likely that if in fact this individual speaks english as a second language, you more than likely cannot speak or write his
Originally posted by NeuroXl Originally posted by JMoney95 Originally posted by Benz00 Ok so you think that this game vangaurd, which was dropped by mirosoft. You think this is going to be a great game? this game is almost exactly like WoW. No i one cares abou this game, and if 50% of their coustomers will come from internet and mag they wont get very many people to play. No ones goig to leave WoW to play this POS and no one is going to pay SOE anymoney. You will see it flop and Brad ( who says he loves you fanbois so much) will drink him self to death, it will be funny,
Wow.. just wow.
I'm 100% positive people who read THAT will take it to heart. Once it is decyphered.
I mean, that post just SCREAMS quality.
"No I one cares abou this game" ?????
You just made the game look better.
And this game ISNT like WoW, it isnt designed to be like WoW, it isnt suppose to compete with WoW.
I'm having a hard time holding back any personal comments on that one, wow.
maybe the guy is european and english is his second language ...
instead of trolling to rebute any and all negative statements about this game .. why dont you appreciate the fact that he is trying to communicate with you, using YOUR language?
after all its most likely that if in fact this individual speaks english as a second language, you more than likely cannot speak or write his
That isnt bad english, due to being from somewhere else. Anofalyfe or whatever that persons name is isn't english first, and you can understand what they say. There are entire letters missing. Mirosoft? Abou? goig? That's just being lazy. Bad english at least spells things correctly. If you can't be bothered to actually make your posts understandable you can't be taken seriously.
And this isn't trolling everything negative about a game, the guy said Brad McQuaid was gonna drink himself to death. What kind of discussion is that? He didn't even try to say WHY the game won't be good.
And I did rebute him, Vanguard is not designed to be a WoW competitor. It's been stated many times, but he thinks it is suppose to be the next multi-million subscriber game for kids. It isnt. Original Everquest subscirber numbers is all they are probably after, 500-600k.
Originally posted by Jaklyn Vanguard is going to be awesome
When I found out this was going to be morely PvE I said, Rehashed Everquest Game with newer graphics. And what do you know, a SOE tag as well (history repeating itself). I thought in the beginning they were implementing PvP on all servers, I was wrong. I think only 1 is going to be PvP. More and likely it sounds like everyone will be playing more on the PvE server.
This game will have a following, but with so much contraversy with this game, it will be hard to be the best mmo out there, esp when your driving base is mainly PvE and soe named stamped somewhere on the game.
EQ2 with its dominent graphics, still cant claim the #1 position and failed overseas. Can Vanguard be successful overseas as well in the US?
This will be a niche game, unless they come up with something new and run a free trial the 1st 14 days to lure people over the contraversy. With so many other mmo's coming out I think in the mainstream world its going to be WoW vs Warhammer imo. All others will have a heck of a time knocking these titles down.
Me, I am waiting for AoC this year. This should keep me busy till Warhammer arrives.
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Sure, some ex-SW:G players may hate $OE, and with pretty good reason too, IMO. But honestly, that has no relevance to Vanguard. Sigil is making, designing and producing the game. $oe is just thier publisher. You know, they're gonna make the boxes and get them on the shelves, and host the game. Kinda hard to fool around with the gameplay, since they have nothing at all to do with it.
But to say that Vanguard will fail simply because of the $OE deal is, honestly, is not reason, logic or religion, it's just breathtaking stupidity. It will be sucessful, or fail based almost entirely upon whether it's a fun game or not.
From what I've read and seen of the game so far, it looks great. Meaningful tradeskills sphere plus adventuring sphere, plus a diplomacy sphere. And flying mounts! The creators of the game post regularly on various forums, which shows how much this game means to them. Ever seen the owner of Funcom post anywhere at all? Or World of Raidcraft C.E.O. post anything about thier crappy servers? I didn't think so.
Don't listen to all the (rightfully) angry ex-SW:G players spewing venom about Vanguard based on the $OE deal. They are just mad, and don't have the most remote idea of what they are taking about. At all.
Those that know, don't need to be told.
Those that don't know, won't listen.
Vanguard will probably sell well and everything will be fine. After a year SOE starts commenting the games revenue to Sigil. They could be better if the game was more like WoW. Sigil does not care and continous like they have done so far.
Over the next months SOE keeps pushing Sigil to make changes so the game will be easier for a broader audience. Sigil gets tired of the constant harrasment of SOE and sell out. SOE takes over and start their enhancements of the game.
At this point, you as a player have made friends ingame. You have built your city and put lots of time in your guild. Then the changes start comming. Your friends get annoyd over the many bugs and horrible changes to the gameplay. Then SOE start lying about changes, bugfixes and progress of the game. Slowly your friends will get angry and quit. Everything you built up is vanishing before your eyes. Then you quit to. Game over.
I have played Star Wars Galaxies for 2.5 years. SOE have no idea what they are doing. They have no plan for the game. They are only interested in making money. They will take control over Vanguard, and they will destroy it!
Yes, SOE can always pressure Sigil to make changes...but hey, now Sigil is doing all the developement and SOE is just getting money as they don't have to waste their resources on game developement.
SOE does what SOE wants.
And lets be honest, Vision or not, if I was Brad and after Vanguard SOH became even just a mediocre hit, and SOE said "Brad, we wanna shut down EQ2 and use Vanguard as our flagship game. Here's eleventy billion dollars, want to to buy it." Guess what I would do? Damn straight.
Folks, you can talk and talk and talk and talk, but ultimately it's the $$$$$ that counts, regardless of who publishes the game.
It just so happens though that SOE kills kittens with each new subscription! (Disclaimer: IT'S A JOKE! /hides from SOE legal beagle's)
Btw, where's my eye candy videos, examples of this awesome combat system and explanations of how the classes will work and/or be balanced?
I'm begging the Vanguard SOH supporters to show me this. The lore alone has me tempted to try it out, but having a sore arse from dealing with SOE in the past is keeping me away.
Yes I bet once the new animation engine is in we will see much better animations. Not to worry.
For SWG, i can understand. Playing since beta 3 and it's not good now... it's buggy and feel like shit. I actually liked the initial design and idea, but since i'm in software engineering, i can see why they had so much trouble pre-cu. IMO (yeah, i had a pre-cu jedi if you wonder), they should have sticked with CU... they would have get all the people bored from wow i'm pretty sure. They have something on TC atm, and it's better then what it's on live. But let's face it, SWG was a buggy game since day 1 and it never really turned out in something to drag 500k players. And when WoW got out, it took it's first big strikes.
Vanguard will probably be the next big thing, i agree. And from my experiences, i don't mind about SOE getting in the picture, not at all. I've applied for beta through a mag and i can't wait to try it out.
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For SWG, i can understand. Playing since beta 3 and it's not good now... it's buggy and feel like shit. I actually liked the initial design and idea, but since i'm in software engineering, i can see why they had so much trouble pre-cu. IMO (yeah, i had a pre-cu jedi if you wonder), they should have sticked with CU... they would have get all the people bored from wow i'm pretty sure. They have something on TC atm, and it's better then what it's on live. But let's face it, SWG was a buggy game since day 1 and it never really turned out in something to drag 500k players. And when WoW got out, it took it's first big strikes.
Vanguard will probably be the next big thing, i agree. And from my experiences, i don't mind about SOE getting in the picture, not at all. I've applied for beta through a mag and i can't wait to try it out.
well its true maybe SWG was destined to fail ... because expectation for subscriptions based on the franchise name alone were too high ...if a company takes the position that a game can be sub par but still attract a domineering subscription base because of its cult fan franchise name .. thats what will happen ...
SWG not only needed the star wars name .. it needed to be as perfect and special as it could be ... because living in a star wars world was what many of its fans had dreamed of for years and they expected a profound and special experience ... which wasnt delivered... the game was mediocre to poor from its onset.... it was released during a time of transition and shortly after you had more beautiful games and more innovative games released onto the market and it snuffed SWG's success ...
as far as the next big thing .. i think theres a reason why the current top seed of "upcoming games" is 5 points ahead of the distant second in competition and it isnt vanguard ...
vanguard may be good .. it may not ... SOE may screw it up .. they may not ..
but i would advise you not to look here for the next explosion in mmorpg gaming .. vanguard even if its successfull will still be a semi-niche game in that it doesnt have the style to bring in the mass droves of players games like WOW do ... for better or worse i truely believe this is the case ... i can get into details but its all been stated here before ...
and im not saying the vanguard fans wont love the game .... the way its being constructed though is not really for mass audience ... so i think the people that like it will LOVE it .. and the people who dont love it wont play it ...
warhammer online .. that is a different story, in that it has the right formula for mass audience acceptance .. ( similar to wow) but if the devs do it right ... with a little more complexity and depth than wow , they can draw in the few remaining niche players which didnt like WOW.. WARHAMMER can and probably will be the " next big thing"
For SWG, i can understand. Playing since beta 3 and it's not good now... it's buggy and feel like shit. I actually liked the initial design and idea, but since i'm in software engineering, i can see why they had so much trouble pre-cu. IMO (yeah, i had a pre-cu jedi if you wonder), they should have sticked with CU... they would have get all the people bored from wow i'm pretty sure. They have something on TC atm, and it's better then what it's on live. But let's face it, SWG was a buggy game since day 1 and it never really turned out in something to drag 500k players. And when WoW got out, it took it's first big strikes.
Vanguard will probably be the next big thing, i agree. And from my experiences, i don't mind about SOE getting in the picture, not at all. I've applied for beta through a mag and i can't wait to try it out.
well its true maybe SWG was destined to fail ... because expectation for subscriptions based on the franchise name alone were too high ...if a company takes the position that a game can be sub par but still attract a domineering subscription base because of its cult fan franchise name .. thats what will happen ...
SWG not only needed the star wars name .. it needed to be as perfect and special as it could be ... because living in a star wars world was what many of its fans had dreamed of for years and they expected a profound and special experience ... which wasnt delivered... the game was mediocre to poor from its onset.... it was released during a time of transition and shortly after you had more beautiful games and more innovative games released onto the market and it snuffed SWG's success ...
as far as the next big thing .. i think theres a reason why the current top seed of "upcoming games" is 5 points ahead of the distant second in competition and it isnt vanguard ...
vanguard may be good .. it may not ... SOE may screw it up .. they may not ..
but i would advise you not to look here for the next explosion in mmorpg gaming .. vanguard even if its successfull will still be a semi-niche game in that it doesnt have the style to bring in the mass droves of players games like WOW do ... for better or worse i truely believe this is the case ... i can get into details but its all been stated here before ...
and im not saying the vanguard fans wont love the game .... the way its being constructed though is not really for mass audience ... so i think the people that like it will LOVE it .. and the people who dont love it wont play it ...
warhammer online .. that is a different story, in that it has the right formula for mass audience acceptance .. ( similar to wow) but if the devs do it right ... with a little more ceomplexity and depth than wow , they can draw in the few remaining niche players which didnt like WOW.. WARHAMMER can and probably will be the " next big thing"
Yeah, Warhammer looks pretty nice too. Sure, vanguard may be a niche game... but i think i can have a lot of fun with it until the next wave comes. Thats what i hate about MMOs now... it's mainstream dammit !
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Oh Dear Vengy-Mafoo!
Shayde is a very nice person and yes, Shayde try to help this online community.
I find it amusing how much peoples write about Vanguard here, if it ever reach EvE fanbase, I will applaud, I promise! The wall is going to hurt...BAD! But who am I to say so?
Me of all peoples? Tiny little me!
See, in 1998, peoples didn't understand that raiding thingy, they try EQ and ENJOY grouping/soloing online. Not even EQ was a raiding success, in fact, a raiding success is something that will never happen. WoW success is based on the solo/grouping component the player get at level 1, not about anything silly at level 60+!
But believe what you want...raiding hurt any property, any franchise. WoW just show how strong the Blizzard fanboi support WAS, to be they prolly lose about half of this fanboi support...still keeping half make them more popular then EQ and Vanguard will ever be.
A WIN SCREEN saying: YOU WIN at level 60 would be better than that raiding 'end-game', but believe what you want, dear little Vengy!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Awesome post, Malakai. I'm going to go read those reviews over again, I'm loving this stuff.
/popcorn
Oh Dear Vengy-Mafoo!
Shayde is a very nice person and yes, Shayde try to help this online community.
I find it amusing how much peoples write about Vanguard here, if it ever reach EvE fanbase, I will applaud, I promise! The wall is going to hurt...BAD! But who am I to say so?
Me of all peoples? Tiny little me!
See, in 1998, peoples didn't understand that raiding thingy, they try EQ and ENJOY grouping/soloing online. Not even EQ was a raiding success, in fact, a raiding success is something that will never happen. WoW success is based on the solo/grouping component the player get at level 1, not about anything silly at level 60+!
But believe what you want...raiding hurt any property, any franchise. WoW just show how strong the Blizzard fanboi support WAS, to be they prolly lose about half of this fanboi support...still keeping half make them more popular then EQ and Vanguard will ever be.
A WIN SCREEN saying: YOU WIN at level 60 would be better than that raiding 'end-game', but believe what you want, dear little Vengy!
I don't agree. I started playing EQ back in '99 about 30 days post gold. Raiding was big part of the game. From my experiances on Mith Marr,Raiding was the best and until the instances craze started. The only way to get the "Uber" gear. It took 2 raids to get Ragebringer my Rogues super stabber.
Even though I am not a Raider anymore(not enough time ) I think that Raiding is vital to any game that truely aspires to be EQ's spiritual successor.
~H
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Shayde is a nice person, like us all. But when it comes to helping this online community, I disagree. You need to be objective to truly try and help people. Condemning Vanguard on the basis that SOE will be setting up servers and printing box art is not objective in any way.
None of it matters really though. Vanguard will fly or flop based on the game itself, not on the less than 1% of gamers who are so jaded as to condemn the game based on its publisher. Just remember, Sigil is the one and only developer of Vanguard.
I understand being upset with SOE over what they did with SWG, but any sane person would not boycott Outback Steakhouse because they got stung by a jellyfish in Australia.
Wow.. just wow.
I'm 100% positive people who read THAT will take it to heart. Once it is decyphered.
I mean, that post just SCREAMS quality.
"No I one cares abou this game" ?????
You just made the game look better.
And this game ISNT like WoW, it isnt designed to be like WoW, it isnt suppose to compete with WoW.
I'm having a hard time holding back any personal comments on that one, wow.
Wow.. just wow.
I'm 100% positive people who read THAT will take it to heart. Once it is decyphered.
I mean, that post just SCREAMS quality.
"No I one cares abou this game" ?????
You just made the game look better.
And this game ISNT like WoW, it isnt designed to be like WoW, it isnt suppose to compete with WoW.
I'm having a hard time holding back any personal comments on that one, wow.
maybe the guy is european and english is his second language ...
instead of trolling to rebute any and all negative statements about this game .. why dont you appreciate the fact that he is trying to communicate with you, using YOUR language?
after all its most likely that if in fact this individual speaks english as a second language, you more than likely cannot speak or write his
Wow.. just wow.
I'm 100% positive people who read THAT will take it to heart. Once it is decyphered.
I mean, that post just SCREAMS quality.
"No I one cares abou this game" ?????
You just made the game look better.
And this game ISNT like WoW, it isnt designed to be like WoW, it isnt suppose to compete with WoW.
I'm having a hard time holding back any personal comments on that one, wow.
maybe the guy is european and english is his second language ...
instead of trolling to rebute any and all negative statements about this game .. why dont you appreciate the fact that he is trying to communicate with you, using YOUR language?
after all its most likely that if in fact this individual speaks english as a second language, you more than likely cannot speak or write his
That isnt bad english, due to being from somewhere else. Anofalyfe or whatever that persons name is isn't english first, and you can understand what they say. There are entire letters missing. Mirosoft? Abou? goig? That's just being lazy. Bad english at least spells things correctly. If you can't be bothered to actually make your posts understandable you can't be taken seriously.
And this isn't trolling everything negative about a game, the guy said Brad McQuaid was gonna drink himself to death. What kind of discussion is that? He didn't even try to say WHY the game won't be good.
And I did rebute him, Vanguard is not designed to be a WoW competitor. It's been stated many times, but he thinks it is suppose to be the next multi-million subscriber game for kids. It isnt. Original Everquest subscirber numbers is all they are probably after, 500-600k.
Warhammer maybe is.
certainly hope so.
When I found out this was going to be morely PvE I said, Rehashed Everquest Game with newer graphics. And what do you know, a SOE tag as well (history repeating itself). I thought in the beginning they were implementing PvP on all servers, I was wrong. I think only 1 is going to be PvP. More and likely it sounds like everyone will be playing more on the PvE server.
This game will have a following, but with so much contraversy with this game, it will be hard to be the best mmo out there, esp when your driving base is mainly PvE and soe named stamped somewhere on the game.
EQ2 with its dominent graphics, still cant claim the #1 position and failed overseas. Can Vanguard be successful overseas as well in the US?
This will be a niche game, unless they come up with something new and run a free trial the 1st 14 days to lure people over the contraversy. With so many other mmo's coming out I think in the mainstream world its going to be WoW vs Warhammer imo. All others will have a heck of a time knocking these titles down.
Me, I am waiting for AoC this year. This should keep me busy till Warhammer arrives.