erm...anyone can access the forums...they don't lock out non-subscribers so anyone can go into the forums and read all they want, you just can't post.
Hmmm, can it be that they changed that as I remember it being closed to the public. Ow well, had I known I would have dug, but the point has been proven and attested in the mean while.
The diversity in EVE is not through being able to customize your ships paintjob, its in the 300+ different ships you can fly or see. That diversity is FAR higher than in most MMO's. Look at WoW for instance, you see 1000's of people walking around in the same gear because it's the most uber gear in the game, everyone looks almost identical. DAoC is and EQ is not much better. Not only is there hundreds of different ships in EVE but there is probably millions of different possible fittings. You're bitching about the graphics cause you can't paint your ship pink with oragne polkadots? Nice priorities there.
The priority is with feeling one and alive in a virtual world. WoW agreed. EQ wise I dont know. DAOC wise whole heartly disagree. In DAOC I can recognize a person by it's looks without seeing his or her name, in EvE I cant.
You may not have posted lies, but you also haven't posted truth, you've posted opinion, yours to be exact and while it may apply to you it is NOT fact. Don't state it as so.
Agreed on some of the oppiniated stuff, thats a tendency I have in my writing style, but not letting go of the factual stuff such as gfx engine complexity, downtime and stability (in all those months i played, as I understand those are fixed now (finally)).
As for customizing ships, do you have any idea what kind of load even 10 custom painted ships would have on the graphics card, how about 20, 30, 50, 100+. it's not feasable. See Lagrimmar for an example of what it's like even when 90% of the toons are wearing the same armor.
It is feasible, DAOC is the living proof of that. It comes down to a good gfx system and offloading that load to the client side. Add in a feature to not show it at all to accomodate those on light end systems and viola.
EVE is a sandbox game, it has been stated from day 1 that this is what it was, it has been repeated many times. If you like to be led around by the nose to wait in line to ride static rides over and over, this game probably isn't for you. No-one forced you to stick around for 8 months, if you couldn't find your own enjoyment after the first couple of months you shouldn't have stayed.
You as EvE community do not underline the fact that its a sandbox type of game quite often, at least not in the newbie conversations i had at the time. I never stated that I'm a static ride guy either, I'm actually somewhere in between. The reasons about sticking around were multiple but sum up like: it has to be better then this, it must be number one for some reason, trully enjoying listening to EvE Radio and soon enough I'll be able to play with the big boys (yes I know there is an excellent sticky now explaining how to get a PvP fix without training for months in real time)... Oh, and as for grinding in EVE, uh the only thing you really need to do is make isk, you have several choices of how to do it, it's up to you to find out which on you like but training SP is NOT a grind. A grind is standing in one spot killing the same mob over and over to get that next level, when you train sp you pick the skill you want to train and go do whatever you want while it trains. That is in no way a grind.
You as EvE community do not underline the fact that its a sandbox type of game quite often, at least not in the newbie conversations i had at the time. I never stated that I'm a static ride guy either, I'm actually somewhere in between. The reasons about sticking around were multiple but sum up like: it has to be better then this, it must be number one for some reason, trully enjoying listening to EvE Radio and soon enough I'll be able to play with the big boys (yes I know there is an excellent sticky now explaining how to get a PvP fix without training for months in real time)... Oh, and as for grinding in EVE, uh the only thing you really need to do is make isk, you have several choices of how to do it, it's up to you to find out which on you like but training SP is NOT a grind. A grind is standing in one spot killing the same mob over and over to get that next level, when you train sp you pick the skill you want to train and go do whatever you want while it trains. That is in no way a grind.
Oh, and as for grinding in EVE, uh the only thing you really need to do is make isk, you have several choices of how to do it, it's up to you to find out which on you like but training SP is NOT a grind. A grind is standing in one spot killing the same mob over and over to get that next level, when you train sp you pick the skill you want to train and go do whatever you want while it trains. That is in no way a grind.
Yes getting those ISK requires a grind (trade, mine, agent missions, etc) or a very cunning deceitfull scheme, or the art of begging (ugh)...
Allthough the SP design looks like it is grind free it really is not imo, say i really need that one more SP trained in order to go and do what i want... I got to wait for 1 month of real world time... Whilst it isnt a grind in your definition it is in mine (loosing playtime not doing what one wanted to do in order to be able to do what you wanted to do, in this case the grind could simply cost you real life dollars and real life time, and yes you could do something else in the mean time, but where is the point in that since i wanted to do something else). If it were a really grindless thing I could just go out and buy the skills required in a training facility or something. But lets agree to disagree before we start a huge discussion about the SP system and it's pros and cons.
Originally posted by DrAtomic Originally posted by mindspat Originally posted by DrAtomic ...yes I did play this piece of junk, twice, first try 2 months; second try 6 months. There is so much more quality out there MMO wise. I love the theme, I hate they way they created it: Negatives: 1] the repetiveness, 2] shear and utter boredom while getting from A to B, 3] it's extreme grind (sps, money, ore), 4] the poor graphics (!: yes I dont rate desktop-background and none customizable ships good graphics), 5] the lack of a visual representation of your character other then a static jpg 6] Lag, Stability or lack there off, daily downtime, worst uptime % of all mmorpgs. 7] The horror called agent missions 8] Waiting 6 hours to be able to find and fight a single opponent 9] The disturbing amount of patience amongst the community when things broke down again and again and again or simply lost your stuff. 10] A game that needs a build-in webbrowser in order to keep you occupied... Mining 11] The universe trully feels like a huge empty vast space of nothing Positives: EvE Radio (not CCP owned or run) Community (see 9) Customizability of your ships (see 4) (change the role you play whenever and to whatever you want). The enormous amount of content component wise [see (1), (2), (8) & (11) One 'game'world or shard for all players (includes zoning though). The userinterface
Those who see this post should know the quoted poster has NOT played EVE in well over 24 months (2 years!) and is referencing the game at the point of initial launch. Keep in mind CCP had set their ambitions EXTREMELY high and it has paid off! This was thier first MMO and it currently out-shines every single mmo that's currently on the market.
We should also know how fictitious the quoted posters views are. HE constantly contradicts himself, see referenced mentionings.
He has _NOT_ played EVE.
Do not be fooled by his unbridled ingorance to degrade others attempts to have a good online gaming experiance.
To clarifiy:
Yes, minning sucks.
There is no character to run and jump around with. It's a form of an empire builder and your character represents your growth and acquisistion while only being represented by a "portrait".
There is no grind. You do not kill x rats to level. Aquisistion of assets is the goal of EVE. Hardly a grind and you are not forced to aquiring anything to advance.
Graphics are still far superior to almost every mmo ever created.
Lag? None! 25k+ concurrent users on a single gaming server and no lag. 200-300 ships in the same system and you can't tell if lag is client side or server side due to it's transperancy.
Never had down time. Schedualed downtime sure but when someone says "In three weeks we're bringing down the server for 12 hours to do some massive upgrades to content and hardware." only ignorance lends to a complaint.
Content is availble within 2-5 minutes of logging in. Instant fights within 5-10 minutes, player or otherwise.
Reading comprehension is an art!!!
1. I'm slamming graphics and with that the lack of being able to customize your ships (the look, paint, logo's, etc.).
2. Community quality vs. community being drooling CCP monkeys... Two totally different things.
3. Thousands of modules to fit your ships is something that is absolutly unrelated to the agent missions being boring and repetive, has nothing to do with A to B down time (which is still long with even the best modules fitted), having to wait for 6 hours untill someone comes through your section and the universe being a boring vast emptiness of nothingness.
4. I didn't play the game? LMFAO, do your homework... maybe search a bit of characters before you make idiotic claims... Heck there is enough time to learn all of the characters names by heart before you finish that 30 jump ride anyway in an indy. There might just be a character named DrAtomic... Just maybe... You never know...
5. No grind.... WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, how many days you got left on your trial spacetwat? Mining=grind, trading=grind, skillpoints=grind you cant control, manufacturing=grind, agent missions=grind.
There is kill x number of rats and get xp. It's called loyalty points and agent missions.
6. Graphics are lame: a set static backgrounds posing as universe changing to a different background every now and then, a warp tunnel that gives you the feeling that space is moving but you are not, static character picture that represents your character and which you cannot change unless you pay real world dollar, all ships are static models and are identical to each other (outfitted weapons do show however), only a handfull of static gate models of which they didnt even bother changing colors on for different regions and so one. Lots of vibrant colors doesnot mean it's the best graphics engine around, every gfx tech will explain to you that graphics are very very simplistic in EvE. You like them? Fine, I think it's a poor job done, sure first impression is fine but then you realize all too soon that everything is the same. DAOC, EQII, CoH, Guildwars all easily surpass the EvE graphics. There is a reason you can run EvE on a low end gfx system.
7. No lag? LOL, ever been in a battle? Ever been in the newbie systems? Waiting 5 minutes to zone would be client lag? Waiting 5 minutes to dock? Loosing your freight due to lag? Loosing your ship due to lag? Entire zones crashing?
8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash? You've been very lucky my friend.
9. You never had downtime outside of scheduled downtime? You sir are either very very new or never played this game yourself or only log in to change your SP path.
Now go wag your tail and wait till CCP throws you your next cookie, ow and before you think about touching that keyboard again, don't do it, you might get hurt, at the very least go play EvE... Ow wait you were playing EvE and sitting out the 30 minute jump routine.
Ignorant, hypocritical and harrasing. Good to know what's to be expected from your future posts.
Since there's no reasoning with an idiot I'll leave my comments undirected towards DrAtomic.
What's great about the majority of EVE's active player base is they're capaable of giving a cohesive example of a point of view without constant contradictions and innacuracies. You'll even notice they back statements up with examples.
Such as:
I haven't experianced an unschedualed downtime over the 7 months I've been playing. Sure, maybe the server whent down once or twice during a random day while I was at work albeit it supports my statement of not being affected by it.
The graphics are great! I've yet to see another MMO that graphically compares to EVE while enforcing the ambience of the environment. SWG was good during it's first year of launch although degraded quite substantially since that time. EQ2 has some impressive graphics if your system can handle everything turned up all the way. WoW would be on the bottom scale of graphical presentation in my view while I would be willing others would disagree.
Grinding is absent from EVE. The term in its self is a direct representation of the feeling gained while performing a required action over and over inorder to advance your character to the next level. Sure, you can refer to minning as grinding but you do not have to mine to "advance". Agent missions? Don't need to do them either. Skill points? The thought that acquiring skill points in EVE was "grinding" is completely detached from reality and the actuall game play. You do not need to nor are you required to perform any action in EVE to advance. You could actually learn skills through "real time" and fly the noob ship for ever if you wanted; not sure why or how it would be fun though since.
Sorry if customizing ships appearances is a "negative" aspect of EVE. ACtually, it's such a trivial matter that has no effect upon gameplay other then an underlying benefit to the integrity of gameplay.
In an obvious tone, some peolple do not belong playing online games. Many shouldn't even be posting on forums. Social interaction is rewarded and if someone has traits similar to "DrAtomic" they would be well reserved to avoid EVE Online and it's community.
Every time Eve drops off the top, someone mentions it on the Eve forum and tells people to go review it on here. Eve players are very protective of sites and things that show eve in a positive light.
And so they should be. The game is the best thing on the planet by far.
Its like an underdog culture. Eve players know it kicks all the more heavily subscribed and popular games into touch. Think of it as word of mouth advertising.
Correction: EVE players are very welcoming and inviting. They will post in other locations to assist those who may be intrested in EVE although are scared of the immensity that the game has to offer. Due to the learning curve being steep and having gone through it themselves they seek to provide a more enjoyable gaming experiance for those who would like the help. Afterall, it amounts to more targets!!
Originally posted by Vyava My issues with it revolve around the allowed tactics which are really exploiting. CCP has taken the stance that many of these exploits are accepted because they were used so often, personally that settle well with me.
When playing EvE there is only one rule to keep in mind: anything goes and is allowed as long as it isnt automated or involves the real world. Somewhere out there on the web is an absolute awesome article (PC Gamer maybe?) that shows a trully unique way of using that rule to your advantage (corp got infiltrated over the period of a year and was looted and wrecked into oblivion).
When playing EvE there is only one rule to keep in mind: anything goes and is allowed as long as it isnt automated or involves the real world. Somewhere out there on the web is an absolute awesome article (PC Gamer maybe?) that shows a trully unique way of using that rule to your advantage (corp got infiltrated over the period of a year and was looted and wrecked into oblivion).
That obviously is inaccurrate since CCP has banned acounts.
Ignorant, hypocritical and harrasing. Good to know what's to be expected from your future posts.
Since there's no reasoning with an idiot I'll leave my comments undirected towards DrAtomic.
Euhm, you sir started an outright personal attack displaying the inability to comprehend what was written and as these things go I gave you some board pvp back and I would have podded you as well just to get that extraordinary deliciously uneducated flame directed back at me.And that's not even counting calling me an outright lier I quote" He has _NOT_ played EVE.".
What's great about the majority of EVE's active player base is they're capaable of giving a cohesive example of a point of view without constant contradictions and innacuracies.
There were no contradictions or inaccuracies, you simply failed to read and understand the post also reffered to as lack of reading comprehension even the second time around. There may have been some factual representation of opinion but that's something else alltogether.
I haven't experianced an unschedualed downtime over the 7 months I've been playing. Sure, maybe the server whent down once or twice during a random day while I was at work albeit it supports my statement of not being affected by it.
It saddens me to hear that because that means servers did crash and stability hasnt been fully achieved. I'm happy for you that you never suffered any such thing, who cares about the players that were affected heh?
Even though I understand from other players that both lag and stability are fixed as of this moment, pray it stays away. Historicly; go ask around some of the older players what lag and stability were like.
The graphics are great! I've yet to see another MMO that graphically compares to EVE while enforcing the ambience of the environment. SWG was good during it's first year of launch although degraded quite substantially since that time. EQ2 has some impressive graphics if your system can handle everything turned up all the way. WoW would be on the bottom scale of graphical presentation in my view while I would be willing others would disagree.
The graphics are great! I've yet to see another MMO that graphically compares to EVE while enforcing the ambience of the environment. SWG was good during it's first year of launch although degraded quite substantially since that time. EQ2 has some impressive graphics if your system can handle everything turned up all the way. WoW would be on the bottom scale of graphical presentation in my view while I would be willing others would disagree.
Pong was hot in it's day as well!Seriously, if you like the graphics or not that's subjective. One part I'm attacking is the techical ability of the gfx engine, it's not hot at all if you scrutinize it as pointed out.
Second part is that I find the lack of customization disturbing, there is nothing that I can create that is my visual representation within this virtual world.
Thirdly the fact that you (and with you many others) like the graphics that's fine, as such is your opinion, mine is different.
Grinding is absent from EVE. <blah blah blah>
Go read my other responses on the subject (eurhm try three times before responding kk?), I'm not gonna chew it out all again.
Go read my other responses on the subject (eurhm try three times before responding kk?), I'm not gonna chew it out all again.
In an obvious tone, some peolple do not belong playing online games. Many shouldn't even be posting on forums. Social interaction is rewarded and if someone has traits similar to "DrAtomic" they would be well reserved to avoid EVE Online and it's community.
I fully agree about the statement that some people should not even be allowed to use or even own a keyboard.
Originally posted by Vyava Originally posted by DrAtomic
When playing EvE there is only one rule to keep in mind: anything goes and is allowed as long as it isnt automated or involves the real world. Somewhere out there on the web is an absolute awesome article (PC Gamer maybe?) that shows a trully unique way of using that rule to your advantage (corp got infiltrated over the period of a year and was looted and wrecked into oblivion).
That obviously is inaccurrate since CCP has banned acounts.
It is not inaccurate, unless they changed policy and rules. CCP has banned accounts for macroing (automating tasks such as mining also refered to as outright cheating) which is something totally different from scamming people which they allow and are within the spirit of the game.
Originally posted by mindspat Originally posted by Lardarz Simple answer
Every time Eve drops off the top, someone mentions it on the Eve forum and tells people to go review it on here. Eve players are very protective of sites and things that show eve in a positive light.
And so they should be. The game is the best thing on the planet by far.
Its like an underdog culture. Eve players know it kicks all the more heavily subscribed and popular games into touch. Think of it as word of mouth advertising.
Correction: EVE players are very welcoming and inviting. They will post in other locations to assist those who may be intrested in EVE although are scared of the immensity that the game has to offer. Due to the learning curve being steep and having gone through it themselves they seek to provide a more enjoyable gaming experiance for those who would like the help. Afterall, it amounts to more targets!!
Yarr..!!
Isn't that exactly what Lardarz said and posted???
Originally posted by Minsc We run a post on our internal gameboards? Really? First I've heard of it. Care to post a link to it for me so I can see it for myself? Oh that's right, you can't cause you're talking out your ass. If you actually go and read the reviews section you will see that there are lots of new people trying the game out and voting on it, many of them find the game good even if they can't get into it. That's why the game stays on top so much. Having the most communicative devs of any other game out there doesn't hurt either.
Your last paragraph just makes it clear you're just regurgitating the same tired old line as someone who's never actually played the game but has heard it sucks from someone's brothers, sister's, cousin's, rabbi's former roomate.
Yes, that thread exists or at the very least was there at the time I played, ow and yes I did play this piece of junk, twice, first try 2 months; second try 6 months. So at the very least that entitles me to an opinion and that opinion is strong, EvE is a posh game that nowhere near deserves it's current rating. There is so much more quality out there MMO wise.
I love the theme, I hate they way they created it:
Negatives: the repetiveness, shear and utter boredom while getting from A to B, it's extreme grind (sps, money, ore), the poor graphics (!: yes I dont rate desktop-background and none customizable ships good graphics), the lack of a visual representation of your character other then a static jpg Lag, Stability or lack there off, daily downtime, worst uptime % of all mmorpgs. The horror called agent missions Waiting 6 hours to be able to find and fight a single opponent The disturbing amount of patience amongst the community when things broke down again and again and again or simply lost your stuff. A game that needs a build-in webbrowser in order to keep you occupied... Mining The universe trully feels like a huge empty vast space of nothing
Positives: EvE Radio (not CCP owned or run) Community Customizability of your ships (change the role you play whenever and to whatever you want). The enormous amount of content component wise One 'game'world or shard for all players (includes zoning though). The userinterface
mate i dont think you have played eve the way it was suposed to be played.
if you want to run arround shooting things with a little elf then play wow
if you want to "mod" ur vehicle then go and play need for speed im sorry i dont really want spinners and a sub in my ferox but hey each to thier own
Every EvE hater on this website has had the opportunity rate EvE negatively and I'm sure he/she has done it. Despite this fact, EvE maintains a high ranking.
I think the controversy comes from the polarization of the people who have played/tried EvE. EvE is a game that you either LOVE... or Hate and are seldom apathetic over. The people that HATE the game can not seem to fathom as to why EvE is ranked so high.
I can totally understand how a player could play EvE for months and concludes that he hates it. I've done that once myself. It has takenl patience and understanding to appreciate EvE in my second attempt at playing the game.
Another factor in the controversy: JEALOUSY. You can just see it in the senseless flames.
If the "EvE" community conspires to keep the ranking up on this site, what is keeping the other games from doing the same?
Answer: NOTHING.
IF YOU HATE THE GAME THEN RANK IT A "1" AND QUIT YOUR BITCHING.
Originally posted by Wakizashi How could none of the other games with reputed higher populations, not be ranked higher? Not a fan of eve by the way. Just think it is an interesting question.
Population of a game doesn't equate to better game. Just because 6 million people have purchased World of WArcraft does not mean they are all going to like it. There are other factors involved in a games "sales" like marketing and visability. Star wars Galaxies sold alot more copies and subscriptions then EvE and I don't think I have ever seen it on the leader board.
EvE is currently a "niche" game with a modest 100,000 or so subscriptions (many of these duplicate accounts).
If you randomly chose 100,000 WoW suscribers and asked them to rank WoW on mmorp.com statistically there is a good chance the score would be identical to what it is now.
EvE User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.3
Guild wars User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
WoW User rating: 8.2 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
CoV User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.0
EQ2 User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 7.9
Of the top 7 games, EvE was rated highest by the MMORPG STAFF.
You'll notice that users have consistantly rated thier game higher than the MMORPG.COM rating. EvE's rating is currently the same as mmorpg's rating which flies in the face of the arguement that the score is inflated by the EvE community.
8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash? You've been very lucky my friend.
If you think that "game server" should be an "Uber PC" you're definitely wrong. "Single server" means that any two players may meet if they want to do it (no "shards"). I really wonder why such simple things need to be explained.
Originally posted by bkon 8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash? You've been very lucky my friend.
If you think that "game server" should be an "Uber PC" you're definitely wrong. "Single server" means that any two players may meet if they want to do it (no "shards"). I really wonder why such simple things need to be explained.
The term is cluster, shard or one world, game server just implies that it is run on a single server. But then again maybe I'm too techie and others did pick up the meaning.
Originally posted by ValiumSummer Here are some facts as of this posting:
EvE User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.3 Guild wars User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1 WoW User rating: 8.2 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1 CoV User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.0 EQ2 User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 7.9 Of the top 7 games, EvE was rated highest by the MMORPG STAFF. You'll notice that users have consistantly rated thier game higher than the MMORPG.COM rating. EvE's rating is currently the same as mmorpg's rating which flies in the face of the arguement that the score is inflated by the EvE community. These are the facts.
Then let's include the others as well:
Anarchy Online User rating: 8.0 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.8
DAOC User rating: 8.0 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.4
EvE User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.3
Guild wars User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
WoW User rating: 8.2 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
CoV User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.0
EQ2 User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 7.9
What may solve the whole contraversy is displaying both the mmorpg rating top5 and a user top5 and maybe even per genre. Another thing is offcourse the double listings of CoH and guildwars (sure they were sold as sep. games but are they really?), plus guildwars is re-releasing the game every 6 months whilst including a new expansion... Soon enough it will just be EvE and Guildwars in the top lol, that can't be the intend.
Ps. Put AO in italic since Dana (mmorpg editor) stated that they consider that rating as valid anymore.
Originally posted by DrAtomic What may solve the whole contraversy is displaying both the mmorpg rating top5 and a user top5 and maybe even per genre. Another thing is offcourse the double listings of CoH and guildwars (sure they were sold as sep. games but are they really?), plus guildwars is re-releasing the game every 6 months whilst including a new expansion... Soon enough it will just be EvE and Guildwars in the top lol, that can't be the intend.Ps. Put AO in italic since Dana (mmorpg editor) stated that they consider that rating as valid anymore.
Actually in the case of CoV and GW: Factions you can play either of those games without owning the original, so they technically do deserve their own sections.
Originally posted by Minsc Originally posted by DrAtomic What may solve the whole contraversy is displaying both the mmorpg rating top5 and a user top5 and maybe even per genre. Another thing is offcourse the double listings of CoH and guildwars (sure they were sold as sep. games but are they really?), plus guildwars is re-releasing the game every 6 months whilst including a new expansion... Soon enough it will just be EvE and Guildwars in the top lol, that can't be the intend.Ps. Put AO in italic since Dana (mmorpg editor) stated that they consider that rating as valid anymore.
Actually in the case of CoV and GW: Factions you can play either of those games without owning the original, so they technically do deserve their own sections.
Was just about to say that...
Also, MMORPG's staff ratings are their personal opinions. Funny thing is... they don't come to any game forum and flame the hell out of it. Nobody flames them for putting ANARCHY ONLINE on the top of their list. Eve's 8.3 rating is an average rating involving those that like, love, dislike, and HATE Eve Online. There are even a few votes in there from people that have never played, I'm sure. As well, those votes thrown in by incative users are deleted after a certain amount on inactivity. These are all FACTS that cannot be disputed. Eve Online has obviously earned its top spot. There's really no point in getting huffed about it. I could see you getting pissed if Eve had a 9.3 and everybody else was at 8.3 or lower. Then, even I would suspect something was up.
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Originally posted by DrAtomic Hmmm, can it be that they changed that as I remember it being closed to the public. Ow well, had I known I would have dug, but the point has been proven and attested in the mean while.
It's been that way since launch, they have never blocked anyone access to the forums whether they were a subscriber or not, well unless someone got themselves banned or something. The priority is with feeling one and alive in a virtual world. WoW agreed. EQ wise I dont know. DAOC wise whole heartly disagree. In DAOC I can recognize a person by it's looks without seeing his or her name, in EvE I cant.
So you mean you can tell what class/race a person is by the gear they are wearing? Right and as a result you know what spells/abilities they have because each class has the same ones, once you've run into enough of one class you know what to expect. In EVE you can do that to some extent based on the ship a player is flying, but you never know what they have fitted, it could be a perfect counter to your fitting or a really poor one, but you never know for sure.
Agreed on some of the oppiniated stuff, thats a tendency I have in my writing style, but not letting go of the factual stuff such as gfx engine complexity, downtime and stability (in all those months i played, as I understand those are fixed now (finally)).
EVE's engine has had HDR in it from day one, new games are just starting to use it now, I'd say that's pretty damn complex of them to put in as of 5 years ago, when the engine was built. Yes the engine is finally becoming outdated, that's why they are upgrading it, but it is by no means a bad engine. It doesn't all come down to the engine anyways, part of what makes EVE's graphics good is the style of them, the ships all seem spaceworn and dirty instead of the pristine rainbow colours that E & B had, it fits well with the blade runner type future that EVE is set in. Stability wise they have done a great job, they have really not had a lot of uneccesary downtime over the 3 years since launch, especially not since after the castor patch came out. Daily downtimes are a necessity with the size of the EVE database, with probably multiple billions of entries they need to clean up dead links and the like, or performance would take a nosedive.
It is feasible, DAOC is the living proof of that. It comes down to a good gfx system and offloading that load to the client side. Add in a feature to not show it at all to accomodate those on light end systems and viola.
DAoC does have good LOD control in it, but most people when doing RVR would still turn everything down to minimum to avoid it turning into a slideshow, the character models are also much lower poly than the ones in EVE and you can still have 300+ ships onscreen in eve at full detail and have it semi-playable. Yes getting those ISK requires a grind (trade, mine, agent missions, etc) or a very cunning deceitfull scheme, or the art of begging (ugh)...
Allthough the SP design looks like it is grind free it really is not imo, say i really need that one more SP trained in order to go and do what i want... I got to wait for 1 month of real world time... Whilst it isnt a grind in your definition it is in mine (loosing playtime not doing what one wanted to do in order to be able to do what you wanted to do, in this case the grind could simply cost you real life dollars and real life time, and yes you could do something else in the mean time, but where is the point in that since i wanted to do something else). If it were a really grindless thing I could just go out and buy the skills required in a training facility or something. But lets agree to disagree before we start a huge discussion about the SP system and it's pros and cons.
Those are not the only ways to make isk in the game, there are some extremely successful merc corps and other non-mining/trade/missioning corps in the game as well. The rest of the tasks are only a grind if you let them be. As for SP keeping you from doing what you want, well if you failed to plan properly for a ship you wanted to fly and are having to wait a really long time as a result that's just poor planning on your part. Every item in the game has a skill requirements tab that shows exactly what you need to fly it. Either way you don't need any one ship/skill to actually play the game, everything is optional and completely under your control. Grinding REQUIRES that you absolutley do something over and over again to advance in the game, in EVE you don't even NEED to aquire much isk to play, but if you want to get into the bigger ships and other things solo, you will need to work for it. That's why grouping in this game is pretty much necessary. That is not a bad point for the game.
The priority is with feeling one and alive in a virtual world. WoW agreed. EQ wise I dont know. DAOC wise whole heartly disagree. In DAOC I can recognize a person by it's looks without seeing his or her name, in EvE I cant.
well, on EVE i can recognice most of my corp mates just by their face, and the same happens with a lot of people.
even on the forums i can tell who is who just by their pictures, even before reading their names.
Originally posted by trecheron Its a great game and def my favorite but it seems kind of odd how no other game can be #1 for more than a few hours before EVE is number 1 again.
It's a testament to what we need, a game that doesn't give you everything the second you walk through the door. It punishes you for dying and it rewards you for scamming people. It is a digital reflection of the real world in alot of ways. That and it's the only fun game with open pvp. For some reason people like having to work for what they get and running the risk of losing it all.
Originally posted by DrAtomic Originally posted by bkon 8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash? You've been very lucky my friend.
If you think that "game server" should be an "Uber PC" you're definitely wrong. "Single server" means that any two players may meet if they want to do it (no "shards"). I really wonder why such simple things need to be explained.
The term is cluster, shard or one world, game server just implies that it is run on a single server. But then again maybe I'm too techie and others did pick up the meaning.
Probably you're too techie, yes. From the user's point of view, game server is just an address they may connect to. It does not make a difference if a that "game server" is powered by giant cluster, old 486 PC or a million of specially trained GMs able to quickly type server responses.
So, the thing that really matters is the presence of "shards". EvE is unsharded, and I would treat this as a very nice feature.
Originally posted by bkon Originally posted by DrAtomic Originally posted by bkon 8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash? You've been very lucky my friend.
If you think that "game server" should be an "Uber PC" you're definitely wrong. "Single server" means that any two players may meet if they want to do it (no "shards"). I really wonder why such simple things need to be explained.
The term is cluster, shard or one world, game server just implies that it is run on a single server. But then again maybe I'm too techie and others did pick up the meaning.
Probably you're too techie, yes. From the user's point of view, game server is just an address they may connect to. It does not make a difference if a that "game server" is powered by giant cluster, old 486 PC or a million of specially trained GMs able to quickly type server responses.
So, the thing that really matters is the presence of "shards". EvE is unsharded, and I would treat this as a very nice feature.
Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by Lallante
a) pointless flame.
b) If people feel THAT strongly about EvE, then why shouldn't their votes count? EvE is top because its playerbase (sadly I know) have an emotional investment in EvE and CCP. We love the game. The vote reflects that. As it should.
Well looks like our week of peace and quite is over with <sigh>. I really wish these people would go play their game and leave ours alone. Guess that is too much to ask. Personally I wish they would do away with the entire ratings system so you people would stop showing up to whine about a few pixels on a web page. Do you not have anything else to do with your lives? Sad really.
As much as we try Lallante they never seem to get why we enjoy controlling our own destiny so much and actually getting to shape the game universe. Its like we are beating our heads against a brick wall and they just keep coming. Perhaps we just need to sticky a standard response to the same old gripe and ignore them?
btw nice avatar Dr. Atomic only seen it a million different times how original.........
What about MY avatar! I seriously can't get over it... huh? huh? It's pretty cool, aint it? Come on admit it...
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Originally posted by Zythyl Originally posted by Aetius73 Originally posted by Lallante
a) pointless flame.
b) If people feel THAT strongly about EvE, then why shouldn't their votes count? EvE is top because its playerbase (sadly I know) have an emotional investment in EvE and CCP. We love the game. The vote reflects that. As it should.
Well looks like our week of peace and quite is over with <sigh>. I really wish these people would go play their game and leave ours alone. Guess that is too much to ask. Personally I wish they would do away with the entire ratings system so you people would stop showing up to whine about a few pixels on a web page. Do you not have anything else to do with your lives? Sad really.
As much as we try Lallante they never seem to get why we enjoy controlling our own destiny so much and actually getting to shape the game universe. Its like we are beating our heads against a brick wall and they just keep coming. Perhaps we just need to sticky a standard response to the same old gripe and ignore them?
btw nice avatar Dr. Atomic only seen it a million different times how original.........
What about MY avatar! I seriously can't get over it... huh? huh? It's pretty cool, aint it? Come on admit it...
Gotta catch em all, huh?
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Hmmm, can it be that they changed that as I remember it being closed to the public. Ow well, had I known I would have dug, but the point has been proven and attested in the mean while.
The priority is with feeling one and alive in a virtual world. WoW agreed. EQ wise I dont know. DAOC wise whole heartly disagree. In DAOC I can recognize a person by it's looks without seeing his or her name, in EvE I cant.
Agreed on some of the oppiniated stuff, thats a tendency I have in my writing style, but not letting go of the factual stuff such as gfx engine complexity, downtime and stability (in all those months i played, as I understand those are fixed now (finally)).
It is feasible, DAOC is the living proof of that. It comes down to a good gfx system and offloading that load to the client side. Add in a feature to not show it at all to accomodate those on light end systems and viola.
You as EvE community do not underline the fact that its a sandbox type of game quite often, at least not in the newbie conversations i had at the time. I never stated that I'm a static ride guy either, I'm actually somewhere in between. The reasons about sticking around were multiple but sum up like: it has to be better then this, it must be number one for some reason, trully enjoying listening to EvE Radio and soon enough I'll be able to play with the big boys (yes I know there is an excellent sticky now explaining how to get a PvP fix without training for months in real time)...
Yes getting those ISK requires a grind (trade, mine, agent missions, etc) or a very cunning deceitfull scheme, or the art of begging (ugh)...Oh, and as for grinding in EVE, uh the only thing you really need to do is make isk, you have several choices of how to do it, it's up to you to find out which on you like but training SP is NOT a grind. A grind is standing in one spot killing the same mob over and over to get that next level, when you train sp you pick the skill you want to train and go do whatever you want while it trains. That is in no way a grind.
Allthough the SP design looks like it is grind free it really is not imo, say i really need that one more SP trained in order to go and do what i want... I got to wait for 1 month of real world time... Whilst it isnt a grind in your definition it is in mine (loosing playtime not doing what one wanted to do in order to be able to do what you wanted to do, in this case the grind could simply cost you real life dollars and real life time, and yes you could do something else in the mean time, but where is the point in that since i wanted to do something else). If it were a really grindless thing I could just go out and buy the skills required in a training facility or something. But lets agree to disagree before we start a huge discussion about the SP system and it's pros and cons.
Those who see this post should know the quoted poster has NOT played EVE in well over 24 months (2 years!) and is referencing the game at the point of initial launch. Keep in mind CCP had set their ambitions EXTREMELY high and it has paid off! This was thier first MMO and it currently out-shines every single mmo that's currently on the market.
We should also know how fictitious the quoted posters views are. HE constantly contradicts himself, see referenced mentionings.
He has _NOT_ played EVE.
Do not be fooled by his unbridled ingorance to degrade others attempts to have a good online gaming experiance.
To clarifiy:
Yes, minning sucks.
There is no character to run and jump around with. It's a form of an empire builder and your character represents your growth and acquisistion while only being represented by a "portrait".
There is no grind. You do not kill x rats to level. Aquisistion of assets is the goal of EVE. Hardly a grind and you are not forced to aquiring anything to advance.
Graphics are still far superior to almost every mmo ever created.
Lag? None! 25k+ concurrent users on a single gaming server and no lag. 200-300 ships in the same system and you can't tell if lag is client side or server side due to it's transperancy.
Never had down time. Schedualed downtime sure but when someone says "In three weeks we're bringing down the server for 12 hours to do some massive upgrades to content and hardware." only ignorance lends to a complaint.
Content is availble within 2-5 minutes of logging in. Instant fights within 5-10 minutes, player or otherwise.
Reading comprehension is an art!!!
1. I'm slamming graphics and with that the lack of being able to customize your ships (the look, paint, logo's, etc.).
2. Community quality vs. community being drooling CCP monkeys... Two totally different things.
3. Thousands of modules to fit your ships is something that is absolutly unrelated to the agent missions being boring and repetive, has nothing to do with A to B down time (which is still long with even the best modules fitted), having to wait for 6 hours untill someone comes through your section and the universe being a boring vast emptiness of nothingness.
4. I didn't play the game? LMFAO, do your homework... maybe search a bit of characters before you make idiotic claims... Heck there is enough time to learn all of the characters names by heart before you finish that 30 jump ride anyway in an indy. There might just be a character named DrAtomic... Just maybe... You never know...
5. No grind.... WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, how many days you got left on your trial spacetwat? Mining=grind, trading=grind, skillpoints=grind you cant control, manufacturing=grind, agent missions=grind.
There is kill x number of rats and get xp. It's called loyalty points and agent missions.
6. Graphics are lame: a set static backgrounds posing as universe changing to a different background every now and then, a warp tunnel that gives you the feeling that space is moving but you are not, static character picture that represents your character and which you cannot change unless you pay real world dollar, all ships are static models and are identical to each other (outfitted weapons do show however), only a handfull of static gate models of which they didnt even bother changing colors on for different regions and so one. Lots of vibrant colors doesnot mean it's the best graphics engine around, every gfx tech will explain to you that graphics are very very simplistic in EvE. You like them? Fine, I think it's a poor job done, sure first impression is fine but then you realize all too soon that everything is the same. DAOC, EQII, CoH, Guildwars all easily surpass the EvE graphics. There is a reason you can run EvE on a low end gfx system.
7. No lag? LOL, ever been in a battle? Ever been in the newbie systems? Waiting 5 minutes to zone would be client lag? Waiting 5 minutes to dock? Loosing your freight due to lag? Loosing your ship due to lag? Entire zones crashing?
8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash? You've been very lucky my friend.
9. You never had downtime outside of scheduled downtime? You sir are either very very new or never played this game yourself or only log in to change your SP path.
Now go wag your tail and wait till CCP throws you your next cookie, ow and before you think about touching that keyboard again, don't do it, you might get hurt, at the very least go play EvE... Ow wait you were playing EvE and sitting out the 30 minute jump routine.
Ignorant, hypocritical and harrasing. Good to know what's to be expected from your future posts.
Since there's no reasoning with an idiot I'll leave my comments undirected towards DrAtomic.
What's great about the majority of EVE's active player base is they're capaable of giving a cohesive example of a point of view without constant contradictions and innacuracies. You'll even notice they back statements up with examples.
Such as:
I haven't experianced an unschedualed downtime over the 7 months I've been playing. Sure, maybe the server whent down once or twice during a random day while I was at work albeit it supports my statement of not being affected by it.
The graphics are great! I've yet to see another MMO that graphically compares to EVE while enforcing the ambience of the environment. SWG was good during it's first year of launch although degraded quite substantially since that time. EQ2 has some impressive graphics if your system can handle everything turned up all the way. WoW would be on the bottom scale of graphical presentation in my view while I would be willing others would disagree.
Grinding is absent from EVE. The term in its self is a direct representation of the feeling gained while performing a required action over and over inorder to advance your character to the next level. Sure, you can refer to minning as grinding but you do not have to mine to "advance". Agent missions? Don't need to do them either. Skill points? The thought that acquiring skill points in EVE was "grinding" is completely detached from reality and the actuall game play. You do not need to nor are you required to perform any action in EVE to advance. You could actually learn skills through "real time" and fly the noob ship for ever if you wanted; not sure why or how it would be fun though since.
Sorry if customizing ships appearances is a "negative" aspect of EVE. ACtually, it's such a trivial matter that has no effect upon gameplay other then an underlying benefit to the integrity of gameplay.
In an obvious tone, some peolple do not belong playing online games. Many shouldn't even be posting on forums. Social interaction is rewarded and if someone has traits similar to "DrAtomic" they would be well reserved to avoid EVE Online and it's community.
Correction: EVE players are very welcoming and inviting. They will post in other locations to assist those who may be intrested in EVE although are scared of the immensity that the game has to offer. Due to the learning curve being steep and having gone through it themselves they seek to provide a more enjoyable gaming experiance for those who would like the help. Afterall, it amounts to more targets!!
Yarr..!!
When playing EvE there is only one rule to keep in mind: anything goes and is allowed as long as it isnt automated or involves the real world. Somewhere out there on the web is an absolute awesome article (PC Gamer maybe?) that shows a trully unique way of using that rule to your advantage (corp got infiltrated over the period of a year and was looted and wrecked into oblivion).
That obviously is inaccurrate since CCP has banned acounts.
Euhm, you sir started an outright personal attack displaying the inability to comprehend what was written and as these things go I gave you some board pvp back and I would have podded you as well just to get that extraordinary deliciously uneducated flame directed back at me. And that's not even counting calling me an outright lier I quote" He has _NOT_ played EVE.".
There were no contradictions or inaccuracies, you simply failed to read and understand the post also reffered to as lack of reading comprehension even the second time around. There may have been some factual representation of opinion but that's something else alltogether.
It saddens me to hear that because that means servers did crash and stability hasnt been fully achieved. I'm happy for you that you never suffered any such thing, who cares about the players that were affected heh?
Even though I understand from other players that both lag and stability are fixed as of this moment, pray it stays away. Historicly; go ask around some of the older players what lag and stability were like.
Pong was hot in it's day as well! Seriously, if you like the graphics or not that's subjective. One part I'm attacking is the techical ability of the gfx engine, it's not hot at all if you scrutinize it as pointed out.
Second part is that I find the lack of customization disturbing, there is nothing that I can create that is my visual representation within this virtual world.
Thirdly the fact that you (and with you many others) like the graphics that's fine, as such is your opinion, mine is different.
Go read my other responses on the subject (eurhm try three times before responding kk?), I'm not gonna chew it out all again.
I fully agree about the statement that some people should not even be allowed to use or even own a keyboard.
That obviously is inaccurrate since CCP has banned acounts.
It is not inaccurate, unless they changed policy and rules. CCP has banned accounts for macroing (automating tasks such as mining also refered to as outright cheating) which is something totally different from scamming people which they allow and are within the spirit of the game.
Correction: EVE players are very welcoming and inviting. They will post in other locations to assist those who may be intrested in EVE although are scared of the immensity that the game has to offer. Due to the learning curve being steep and having gone through it themselves they seek to provide a more enjoyable gaming experiance for those who would like the help. Afterall, it amounts to more targets!!
Yarr..!!
Isn't that exactly what Lardarz said and posted???
Yes, that thread exists or at the very least was there at the time I played, ow and yes I did play this piece of junk, twice, first try 2 months; second try 6 months. So at the very least that entitles me to an opinion and that opinion is strong, EvE is a posh game that nowhere near deserves it's current rating. There is so much more quality out there MMO wise.
I love the theme, I hate they way they created it:
Negatives:
the repetiveness,
shear and utter boredom while getting from A to B,
it's extreme grind (sps, money, ore),
the poor graphics (!: yes I dont rate desktop-background and none customizable ships good graphics),
the lack of a visual representation of your character other then a static jpg
Lag, Stability or lack there off, daily downtime, worst uptime % of all mmorpgs.
The horror called agent missions
Waiting 6 hours to be able to find and fight a single opponent
The disturbing amount of patience amongst the community when things broke down again and again and again or simply lost your stuff.
A game that needs a build-in webbrowser in order to keep you occupied...
Mining
The universe trully feels like a huge empty vast space of nothing
Positives:
EvE Radio (not CCP owned or run)
Community
Customizability of your ships (change the role you play whenever and to whatever you want).
The enormous amount of content component wise
One 'game'world or shard for all players (includes zoning though).
The userinterface
mate i dont think you have played eve the way it was suposed to be played.
if you want to run arround shooting things with a little elf then play wow
if you want to "mod" ur vehicle then go and play need for speed im sorry i dont really want spinners and a sub in my ferox but hey each to thier own
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Every EvE hater on this website has had the opportunity rate EvE negatively and I'm sure he/she has done it. Despite this fact, EvE maintains a high ranking.
I think the controversy comes from the polarization of the people who have played/tried EvE. EvE is a game that you either LOVE... or Hate and are seldom apathetic over. The people that HATE the game can not seem to fathom as to why EvE is ranked so high.
I can totally understand how a player could play EvE for months and concludes that he hates it. I've done that once myself. It has takenl patience and understanding to appreciate EvE in my second attempt at playing the game.
Another factor in the controversy: JEALOUSY. You can just see it in the senseless flames.
If the "EvE" community conspires to keep the ranking up on this site, what is keeping the other games from doing the same?
Answer: NOTHING.
IF YOU HATE THE GAME THEN RANK IT A "1" AND QUIT YOUR BITCHING.
Population of a game doesn't equate to better game. Just because 6 million people have purchased World of WArcraft does not mean they are all going to like it. There are other factors involved in a games "sales" like marketing and visability. Star wars Galaxies sold alot more copies and subscriptions then EvE and I don't think I have ever seen it on the leader board.
EvE is currently a "niche" game with a modest 100,000 or so subscriptions (many of these duplicate accounts).
If you randomly chose 100,000 WoW suscribers and asked them to rank WoW on mmorp.com statistically there is a good chance the score would be identical to what it is now.
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Here are some facts as of this posting:
EvE User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.3
Guild wars User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
WoW User rating: 8.2 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
CoV User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.0
EQ2 User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 7.9
Of the top 7 games, EvE was rated highest by the MMORPG STAFF.
You'll notice that users have consistantly rated thier game higher than the MMORPG.COM rating. EvE's rating is currently the same as mmorpg's rating which flies in the face of the arguement that the score is inflated by the EvE community.
These are the facts.
8. 25k users on a single server? No. EvE runs on a cluster which
consists of around 60 servers (hence the stargates, they port you to
new instances often running on another server. Yes that means you
zone). You been in a 200-300 ship battle and the zone didnt crash?
You've been very lucky my friend.
If you think that "game server" should be an "Uber PC" you're definitely wrong. "Single server" means that any two players may meet if they want to do it (no "shards"). I really wonder why such simple things need to be explained.
Then let's include the others as well:
Anarchy Online User rating: 8.0 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.8
DAOC User rating: 8.0 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.4
EvE User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.3
Guild wars User rating: 8.3 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
WoW User rating: 8.2 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.1
CoV User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 8.0
EQ2 User rating: 8.1 - MMORPG.COM review rating: 7.9
Ps. Put AO in italic since Dana (mmorpg editor) stated that they consider that rating as valid anymore.What may solve the whole contraversy is displaying both the mmorpg rating top5 and a user top5 and maybe even per genre. Another thing is offcourse the double listings of CoH and guildwars (sure they were sold as sep. games but are they really?), plus guildwars is re-releasing the game every 6 months whilst including a new expansion... Soon enough it will just be EvE and Guildwars in the top lol, that can't be the intend.
Was just about to say that...
Also, MMORPG's staff ratings are their personal opinions. Funny thing is... they don't come to any game forum and flame the hell out of it. Nobody flames them for putting ANARCHY ONLINE on the top of their list. Eve's 8.3 rating is an average rating involving those that like, love, dislike, and HATE Eve Online. There are even a few votes in there from people that have never played, I'm sure. As well, those votes thrown in by incative users are deleted after a certain amount on inactivity. These are all FACTS that cannot be disputed. Eve Online has obviously earned its top spot. There's really no point in getting huffed about it. I could see you getting pissed if Eve had a 9.3 and everybody else was at 8.3 or lower. Then, even I would suspect something was up.
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well, on EVE i can recognice most of my corp mates just by their face, and the same happens with a lot of people.
even on the forums i can tell who is who just by their pictures, even before reading their names.
Probably you're too techie, yes. From the user's point of view, game server is just an address they may connect to. It does not make a difference if a that "game server" is powered by giant cluster, old 486 PC or a million of specially trained GMs able to quickly type server responses.
So, the thing that really matters is the presence of "shards". EvE is unsharded, and I would treat this as a very nice feature.
Probably you're too techie, yes. From the user's point of view, game server is just an address they may connect to. It does not make a difference if a that "game server" is powered by giant cluster, old 486 PC or a million of specially trained GMs able to quickly type server responses.
So, the thing that really matters is the presence of "shards". EvE is unsharded, and I would treat this as a very nice feature.
You forgot hampsters.
b) If people feel THAT strongly about EvE, then why shouldn't their votes count? EvE is top because its playerbase (sadly I know) have an emotional investment in EvE and CCP. We love the game. The vote reflects that. As it should.
Well looks like our week of peace and quite is over with <sigh>. I really wish these people would go play their game and leave ours alone. Guess that is too much to ask. Personally I wish they would do away with the entire ratings system so you people would stop showing up to whine about a few pixels on a web page. Do you not have anything else to do with your lives? Sad really.
As much as we try Lallante they never seem to get why we enjoy controlling our own destiny so much and actually getting to shape the game universe. Its like we are beating our heads against a brick wall and they just keep coming. Perhaps we just need to sticky a standard response to the same old gripe and ignore them?
btw nice avatar Dr. Atomic only seen it a million different times how original.........
What about MY avatar! I seriously can't get over it... huh? huh? It's pretty cool, aint it? Come on admit it...
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Game On!
b) If people feel THAT strongly about EvE, then why shouldn't their votes count? EvE is top because its playerbase (sadly I know) have an emotional investment in EvE and CCP. We love the game. The vote reflects that. As it should.
Well looks like our week of peace and quite is over with <sigh>. I really wish these people would go play their game and leave ours alone. Guess that is too much to ask. Personally I wish they would do away with the entire ratings system so you people would stop showing up to whine about a few pixels on a web page. Do you not have anything else to do with your lives? Sad really.
As much as we try Lallante they never seem to get why we enjoy controlling our own destiny so much and actually getting to shape the game universe. Its like we are beating our heads against a brick wall and they just keep coming. Perhaps we just need to sticky a standard response to the same old gripe and ignore them?
btw nice avatar Dr. Atomic only seen it a million different times how original.........
What about MY avatar! I seriously can't get over it... huh? huh? It's pretty cool, aint it? Come on admit it...
Gotta catch em all, huh?
SobaKai.com
There are two types of people in this world - people that suck... and me.