Originally posted by Elnator Bah he isn't a senator anyway. The empreror disbanded the Senate at the beginning of EP IV They should be called Imperial Governors. The Senate no longer exists I can't believe both SOE and LEC missed that. Unless they're planning to bump the timeline to post EP-VI Timelines seldom meant anything to Lucas, who the hell makes Episode IV first? As for Darth Sushi, imagine being in his job. First, he works for SOE. The scapegoat of an entire generation of gamers. Then on the forums dealing a bunch of swashbuckling infants day after day. You'd have more than a pissy post every now and then too. We all have our days, but like him, I'm looking forward to a playable EMU too.
Actually I would go farther and say Lucas Arts has no concept of time at all. Hell there hasn't been a significant technological change in the entire Star Wars Universe in 4000 years give or take.
LOL! True
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online. Sig image Pending Still in: A couple Betas
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by MX13 ALL the Senators are Brown-Nosing Suck-Up's. Not ONE Blue Glowie (former Coor's, pre-Senators) that critized the NGE & SOE's actions was made a Senator. NOT ONE. Two were removed for changing their mind about the NGE and speaking up (both ended up quitting). They are JUST like the Senators under Palpatine funny enough: Powerless Yes Men. Read their so called "Weekly Report" by BS, it's nothing but cheerleading about things NO ONE CARES ABOUT when compared to the real issues. They even get away with ABUSING people on the forums who don't like the NGE (like your example, you'ld get banned for saying the same thing about someone staying). Don't stress it. NO ONE thinks they have ANY power other than being the forum thugs of SOE. I have to call B.S. on that one. I'm close friends with one Senator, and they dislike the nge and have said from day one that the pre-cu game is the most fun.BUT... since they will never roll that one back, he's been telling them the best stuff to put in. He's not a brown noser. As a matter of fact, he was asked specifically to ask our forum community what it would take to get the vets back. He told them, in NO uncertain terms, a complete rollback or classic servers. When they countered with "Other than that".. he said "NOTHING short of that will bring them back".So we have at least ONE working for us.
To add to this I dont think anyone has ever really stopped and thought about the fact that maybe SOE probably had no choice in the matter of the NGE or rollback, its alot more feasable that LA's was responsible for it and responsible for not giving us a rollback. Heres why I say this. My theory is that LA wanted more money so SOE said they would make some modifications (CU). Then when sales didnt improve enough to make LA happy LA probably said that they wanted to head in a new direction (battlefront anyone) and so know we are stuck with it. Another factor Influencing my theory is never in SOE's history have they ever changed the core gameplay of any game they run help run or host so dramatically. An example would be going semi turned based to fps (swg).
Smed has said very clearly that the NGE was NOT forced on them. It was a common decision between the two.
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
before i cancelled (last of 4 accts) last week i got into a heated discussion w/ Badgersmaker. basically i called him out for not representing the views of the people he is supposed to represent.
he was complaining that all he ever got from players were "requests for rollback and target lock".
i simply asked him, if thats all you get, why dont you represent that point of view? seems pretty obvious to me what the players want...
this lead to a very immature response from Badgersmaker, where he called me a name in big red caps....lol. before i could type out my response, 10 other players came to my defense and also called him out for being an SOE tool. the thread was deleted pretty quickly after that.
the galactic senators are just Thunderheart-wanna-be's. why anyone would wanna be as much of a tool as thunderheart is beyond me.
before i cancelled (last of 4 accts) last week i got into a heated discussion w/ Badgersmaker. basically i called him out for not representing the views of the people he is supposed to represent.
he was complaining that all he ever got from players were "requests for rollback and target lock".
i simply asked him, if thats all you get, why dont you represent that point of view? seems pretty obvious to me what the players want...
this lead to a very immature response from Badgersmaker, where he called me a name in big red caps....lol. before i could type out my response, 10 other players came to my defense and also called him out for being an SOE tool. the thread was deleted pretty quickly after that.
the galactic senators are just Thunderheart-wanna-be's. why anyone would wanna be as much of a tool as thunderheart is beyond me.
I just have to ask him one question... what does Smed's rectum taste like?
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Uh-oh...reinforcements have been called. We better pucker up.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support.
Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support.
Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
There was one point.
I'm pretty excited about the emu if only because maybe these forums will finally clear out so we can start talking about the existing game instead of ranting and pining away for some two year old broke ass fantasy folks keep looking back at with some kind of misplaced infatuation. Can't happen soon enough. Good luck with all that. Seriously.
It's common opinion (and my personal), that someone that is in a semi-formal position, should never asume such public attitude towards fellow players, customers and game buddies. No matter what the power or position is, it is a position. Insults are out of place.
This one point was attitude. Nothing else. Sadly, it's what many have come to expect from anything related to SOE.
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
There was one point.
I hope this emulator comes though so all these idiots that disagree with me can leave, bunch of dumbasses.
It's common opinion (and my personal), that someone that is in a semi-formal position, should never asume such public attitude towards fellow players, customers and game buddies. No matter what the power or position is, it is a position. Insults are out of place.
This one point was attitude. Nothing else. Sadly, it's what many have come to expect from anything related to SOE.
Translated to be more accurate.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
There was one point.
I hope this emulator comes though so all these idiots that disagree with me can leave, bunch of dumbasses.
It's common opinion (and my personal), that someone that is in a semi-formal position, should never asume such public attitude towards fellow players, customers and game buddies. No matter what the power or position is, it is a position. Insults are out of place.
This one point was attitude. Nothing else. Sadly, it's what many have come to expect from anything related to SOE.
Translated to be more accurate.
BadgerSmaker couldn't have said it any better. The Galacic Circle Jerk would approve as well.
Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support.
/salute
Darth_Sushi
Translation: "MMMMMMMMMMM That's good rectum!"
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support.
/salute
Darth_Sushi
Time and place mon ami, time and place, I'll gladly debate you on any of the pre-cu/nge issues. Perhaps show that we're a little more than idiotic nostalgia freaks. So consider yourself engaged.
Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support./saluteDarth_Sushi
Why would anyone want to waste their breath going through the process of offering suggestions on how to improve the game? Everyone has already done that, you and the red names just keep throwing it back at us sneering "anything but THAT".
Don't ask for what you don't really want. All I ever see SOE and LEC want is people to give them good feedback on their changes because if you don't like it you are going to get screwed with it anyway.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I would gladly have accepted a new upgraded version of the game I bought back in 03 that functions properly and meets and sort of bug free stable environment. The closest version soe has produced to a stable working product relatively bug free was back in publish 9. 20 some publishes back from the current debacle of another nerf patch that breaks game mechanics.
Considering I paid for a working star wars mmo of a certain type and standard with certain expectations I expect the company I paid to honor that idea/concept I bought into. The NGE neither lives up to that conceptual idea nor is it in any sort of polished finished product state as even soe executives have publically admitted on there own boards. The refusal to offer a classic stable environment while the player base beta test a new version at there own expense is tantimount to outright thivery if you pre-paid at all and at best is shady business practices with charging to beta.
The number 1 complaint I have against the CU/NGE isn't the concepts they represent but with the manner in which these changes where implimented and tested. Saying tested is offly generous considering the nge and all its publically known flaws didn't even get delayed when the first week of testing showed they couldn't get you past the first tutorial. SOE has no sort of quality control in place. Testing a game overhaul in 2 weeks and pushing it live is neither acceptable, rational or sane for any software developer.
In all fairness to those of us who refuse to beta test the nge what should we do with the investment we made with soe/la and star wars galaxies? You'd have us quit and shut up. Well tough cookies. I made an investment in this. I have a right to have that honored. Until SOE executives deem it an acceptable product I will continue to request a classic environment that is stable and fully functional. Not even Smedley is bold enough to come out and say the nge is a polished complete game. Until he can do that he has no right to refuse the requests for a working swg game.
You may continue to lump these requests in with the childish roll-back threads that appear DAILY on the star wars galaxies forums. It is widely known at least 2 professions still currently remain near unplayable in star wars galaxies with a limit of 9 professions that equates to 22% of the game as unfinished as far as basic professions goes.
I refuse to be told my position is garbage by anyone; senator, correspondent, redname, soe executive, reviewer or any other person.
Once you get your game out of its beta stage then we can have a going forward conversation. Till then you will continue to flounder towards obselence since you have an unfinished game 2 years after its orginal sale date. I will continue to call for a working version of this game for its community to use and will continue to attack your credibility as a manufacturer of products for sale in the public domain with such poor quality control and workmanship. If some fanboi doesn't like it tough. Go back to grabbing your ankles for a dev team that imho is most chicken shit group ever assembled.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 People like me have TRIED to make suggestions to improve the NGE, both at the summits and on the forums.We largely get sneered at by the likes of Badger and Sushi for brains for not swallowing whatever SOE is shoving at the moment.
That is because SOE and LEC don't actually want player input on the game. They only want to APPEAR to want player input of the game for damage control. They have implemented a new targetting system now so even though it is a complete peice of garbage they can go forwad saying they gave the players what they wanted. The summits is a perfect example of damage control on their image. Nothing will come of them other then what they already had planned anyways that they are spinning to seem like they are bringing the old game back slowly which they aren't.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Pop-N-Lock This thread proves that most of you have no clue what really goes on. It's sad really. Unagi rocks.
While I commend you on your loyalty to you friend, coming here to defend him and all, I'm going to have to disagree with your post there, I for one, and many others it seems, have a very good "clue" about whats going on, so let me try and explain my position a little further for you...
For all I know Unagi/Darth_Sushi may very well be a great guy, a loyal guildmate, good friend, great player, devoted fan, etc, but that doesnt really matter in this instance, as it wasnt the point of my op. I'm talking about Darth_Sushi, Galactic Senator, and how he crossed the line in that post, and apparently many others. I looked for the definition of what Galactic Senators are supposed to be over at the official forums, and I found this definition in one of the "Galactic Senate Weekly Report", so let me start by pasting that here for ya... (a link also)http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=659235&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Who are the Senators and what do they do?
The Galactic Senators are Star Wars Galaxies players that have volunteered to help represent the players of Star Wars Galaxies. They also help the Sony Online Entertainment Development, Community and Customer Service team if they need assistance.
Ok, so whatever ones opinion is about how effective the Senators really are is a different topic, my main point is that these Galactic Senators claim to "represent the players of Star Wars Galaxies", and they also get access to their private forums, where only they and the Red_Names get to view or post. I know they are really just players like everybody else in the end, but they are also community representatives (wether implied or explicit, unofficial or official) and they, better than any other players, have the ability to speak and be heard when it comes to SWG.
Hey Senators, when are you going to make our displeasure known to the developers about the NGE?
Most of us have committed to stop living in the past, and instead focus on making the current game better.
Then another player sees that reply, and posts his displeasure with that kind of remark from our Senators, to which Darth_Sushi replied with this... (link also)
See sushi, this is why I am scared that they even have senators.. because if ONE Dev sees somthing you say or looks at it instead of the 500 of us that think the way I do.. then THIS is why I think this whole senate/corr system should be scrubbed.
That's OK, Isk. I don't represent you, anyway. Here is my official position statement (from Bria last week).
Darth_Sushi wrote:
Part of the art, science and politics of community representation is in knowing which way the wind is blowing. There will not be a rollback to pre-CU. Ever. They have spoken loud and clear on this topic. Repeatedly. If I were to lobby for that on your behalf it would not only make me look retarded, but would serve to devalue any useful input I might have on things that they actually would be willing to change or address.
All you pre-CU fanbois need to know that no matter how bad you want a rollback I do not support you and will not represent you on that topic. Get over it. Focus on making the current game better and I can help you, even if I don't agree with you. Continue to dwell in a past that will never return and you are on your own.
Keep beating your head on that wall if it makes you feel better. Otherwise, feel free to give me a holler when you have something constructive to add.
Then to top it off (at least he's consistent) I find his response to this thread... (link also)
I have made it more than clear that I only represent people who are interested in playing and improving upon the current officially supported game. The emo/emu precutard rollback crowd is free to look elsewhere for a shoulder to cry on. You can quote me on that.
Now I really do feel bad for him in one sense, I can understand how he probably gets frustrated with all the Pre-CU fans chanting the same things over and over, still asking for rollbacks etc after all these months. But a man in his position should act a little more professional when in his Senator role, especially when responding to the fellow players/community they claim to represent.
If he really feels the need to flame pro Pre-CU players then he honestly should resign as a Galactic Senator. After all, he volunteered to represent the community (Pre-CU fans being a huge chunk of that community) and I'm sure he can resign the title at any time, and then proceed to flame "the vocal minority" to his hearts content. But until he does resign from the Senate, or changes his tune with fellow players and shows some professionalism, he can continue to expect the community to get on his case about it.
"Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"
Originally posted by Unagi Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support.
/salute
Darth_Sushi
Ohhhhh please... I've seen so many of these come and go that they don't even amuse me anymore. Wepps, City-Hall, Digriz... They all played got on their high-horses and played the I-just-want-the-best-for-the-game-I-love card... Being rude to anyone who disagreed with their position, defending the game with rabid "fanboism" to the point of absurdity. And where are they now? In the end, the all end up in the same place... Elsewhere playing some other game!
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Originally posted by Echobe Is any of this really surprising? Anyone with a brain-stem should have known that the "Galatic Senators" would be nothing more than bootlicking, yes-men. Darth-Sushi is a piece of shit just like the rest of the senators...
That's not quite fair -- Red_Dwarf is also a galactic senator, and I remember that guy being a TC junkie and all-around great help.
But I agree with this threads sentiment, this Darth_Sushi guy is just way out of line. He could say that he wants to shift the focus of a thread toward improving the current game without being a totally condescending asshole about it.
Consideration and respect go a long way.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz] AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
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Actually I would go farther and say Lucas Arts has no concept of time at all. Hell there hasn't been a significant technological change in the entire Star Wars Universe in 4000 years give or take.
LOL! True
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Still in: A couple Betas
To add to this I dont think anyone has ever really stopped and thought about the fact that maybe SOE probably had no choice in the matter of the NGE or rollback, its alot more feasable that LA's was responsible for it and responsible for not giving us a rollback.
Heres why I say this. My theory is that LA wanted more money so SOE said they would make some modifications (CU). Then when sales didnt improve enough to make LA happy LA probably said that they wanted to head in a new direction (battlefront anyone) and so know we are stuck with it.
Another factor Influencing my theory is never in SOE's history have they ever changed the core gameplay of any game they run help run or host so dramatically. An example would be going semi turned based to fps (swg).
Smed has said very clearly that the NGE was NOT forced on them. It was a common decision between the two.
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
before i cancelled (last of 4 accts) last week i got into a heated discussion w/ Badgersmaker. basically i called him out for not representing the views of the people he is supposed to represent.
he was complaining that all he ever got from players were "requests for rollback and target lock".
i simply asked him, if thats all you get, why dont you represent that point of view? seems pretty obvious to me what the players want...
this lead to a very immature response from Badgersmaker, where he called me a name in big red caps....lol. before i could type out my response, 10 other players came to my defense and also called him out for being an SOE tool. the thread was deleted pretty quickly after that.
the galactic senators are just Thunderheart-wanna-be's. why anyone would wanna be as much of a tool as thunderheart is beyond me.
SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
before i cancelled (last of 4 accts) last week i got into a heated discussion w/ Badgersmaker. basically i called him out for not representing the views of the people he is supposed to represent.
he was complaining that all he ever got from players were "requests for rollback and target lock".
i simply asked him, if thats all you get, why dont you represent that point of view? seems pretty obvious to me what the players want...
this lead to a very immature response from Badgersmaker, where he called me a name in big red caps....lol. before i could type out my response, 10 other players came to my defense and also called him out for being an SOE tool. the thread was deleted pretty quickly after that.
the galactic senators are just Thunderheart-wanna-be's. why anyone would wanna be as much of a tool as thunderheart is beyond me.
SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
Sushi...WTG?
I just have to ask him one question... what does Smed's rectum taste like?
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
And what is it that we don't know. Something secret?
Wasn't unagi the GCW corro? Great job there, not that any corro ever had any power or ability to change, but still.
So, how about giving us a clue.
Hey, thanks for the notoriety. I guess I'm a digital celebrity now. I'd be more inclined to engage my detractors in a point by point refutation and dissection of the absurdity of their position if any of them had shown they have any idea what my community liaison "role" actually is as a Senator and former Correspondent.
I don't catch that there has been any real interest expressed in enagaging me in civil discourse here anyway, so I'll suffice it to say that anyone who wants to discuss their genuine concerns with (or suggestions for improving) the current official game knows where to find me, and that the precutards apparently know to look elsewhere for sympathy and support.
/salute
Darth_Sushi
/rude
I'm pretty excited about the emu if only because
maybe these forums will finally clear out so we can start talking about
the existing game instead of ranting and pining away for some two year
old broke ass fantasy folks keep looking back at with some kind of
misplaced infatuation. Can't happen soon enough. Good luck with all
that. Seriously.
It's common opinion (and my personal), that someone that is in a semi-formal position, should never asume such public attitude towards fellow players, customers and game buddies. No matter what the power or position is, it is a position. Insults are out of place.
This one point was attitude. Nothing else. Sadly, it's what many have come to expect from anything related to SOE.
I hope this emulator comes though so all these idiots that disagree with me can leave, bunch of dumbasses.
It's common opinion (and my personal), that someone that is in a semi-formal position, should never asume such public attitude towards fellow players, customers and game buddies. No matter what the power or position is, it is a position. Insults are out of place.
This one point was attitude. Nothing else. Sadly, it's what many have come to expect from anything related to SOE.
Translated to be more accurate.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
I hope this emulator comes though so all these idiots that disagree with me can leave, bunch of dumbasses.
It's common opinion (and my personal), that someone that is in a semi-formal position, should never asume such public attitude towards fellow players, customers and game buddies. No matter what the power or position is, it is a position. Insults are out of place.
This one point was attitude. Nothing else. Sadly, it's what many have come to expect from anything related to SOE.
Translated to be more accurate.
BadgerSmaker couldn't have said it any better. The Galacic Circle Jerk would approve as well.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Why would anyone want to waste their breath going through the process of offering suggestions on how to improve the game? Everyone has already done that, you and the red names just keep throwing it back at us sneering "anything but THAT".
Don't ask for what you don't really want. All I ever see SOE and LEC want is people to give them good feedback on their changes because if you don't like it you are going to get screwed with it anyway.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
The only going forward reply darth dickwad,
I would gladly have accepted a new upgraded version of the game I bought back in 03 that functions properly and meets and sort of bug free stable environment. The closest version soe has produced to a stable working product relatively bug free was back in publish 9. 20 some publishes back from the current debacle of another nerf patch that breaks game mechanics.
Considering I paid for a working star wars mmo of a certain type and standard with certain expectations I expect the company I paid to honor that idea/concept I bought into. The NGE neither lives up to that conceptual idea nor is it in any sort of polished finished product state as even soe executives have publically admitted on there own boards. The refusal to offer a classic stable environment while the player base beta test a new version at there own expense is tantimount to outright thivery if you pre-paid at all and at best is shady business practices with charging to beta.
The number 1 complaint I have against the CU/NGE isn't the concepts they represent but with the manner in which these changes where implimented and tested. Saying tested is offly generous considering the nge and all its publically known flaws didn't even get delayed when the first week of testing showed they couldn't get you past the first tutorial. SOE has no sort of quality control in place. Testing a game overhaul in 2 weeks and pushing it live is neither acceptable, rational or sane for any software developer.
In all fairness to those of us who refuse to beta test the nge what should we do with the investment we made with soe/la and star wars galaxies? You'd have us quit and shut up. Well tough cookies. I made an investment in this. I have a right to have that honored. Until SOE executives deem it an acceptable product I will continue to request a classic environment that is stable and fully functional. Not even Smedley is bold enough to come out and say the nge is a polished complete game. Until he can do that he has no right to refuse the requests for a working swg game.
You may continue to lump these requests in with the childish roll-back threads that appear DAILY on the star wars galaxies forums. It is widely known at least 2 professions still currently remain near unplayable in star wars galaxies with a limit of 9 professions that equates to 22% of the game as unfinished as far as basic professions goes.
I refuse to be told my position is garbage by anyone; senator, correspondent, redname, soe executive, reviewer or any other person.
Once you get your game out of its beta stage then we can have a going forward conversation. Till then you will continue to flounder towards obselence since you have an unfinished game 2 years after its orginal sale date. I will continue to call for a working version of this game for its community to use and will continue to attack your credibility as a manufacturer of products for sale in the public domain with such poor quality control and workmanship. If some fanboi doesn't like it tough. Go back to grabbing your ankles for a dev team that imho is most chicken shit group ever assembled.
We largely get sneered at by the likes of Badger and Sushi for brains for not swallowing whatever SOE is shoving at the moment.
That is because SOE and LEC don't actually want player input on the game. They only want to APPEAR to want player input of the game for damage control. They have implemented a new targetting system now so even though it is a complete peice of garbage they can go forwad saying they gave the players what they wanted. The summits is a perfect example of damage control on their image. Nothing will come of them other then what they already had planned anyways that they are spinning to seem like they are bringing the old game back slowly which they aren't.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
While I commend you on your loyalty to you friend, coming here to defend him and all, I'm going to have to disagree with your post there, I for one, and many others it seems, have a very good "clue" about whats going on, so let me try and explain my position a little further for you...
For all I know Unagi/Darth_Sushi may very well be a great guy, a loyal guildmate, good friend, great player, devoted fan, etc, but that doesnt really matter in this instance, as it wasnt the point of my op. I'm talking about Darth_Sushi, Galactic Senator, and how he crossed the line in that post, and apparently many others. I looked for the definition of what Galactic Senators are supposed to be over at the official forums, and I found this definition in one of the "Galactic Senate Weekly Report", so let me start by pasting that here for ya... (a link also) http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=659235&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Ok, so whatever ones opinion is about how effective the Senators really are is a different topic, my main point is that these Galactic Senators claim to "represent the players of Star Wars Galaxies", and they also get access to their private forums, where only they and the Red_Names get to view or post. I know they are really just players like everybody else in the end, but they are also community representatives (wether implied or explicit, unofficial or official) and they, better than any other players, have the ability to speak and be heard when it comes to SWG.
But look what I find in that same thread I got the definition of a Senator from... (link also)http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=659235&view=by_date_ascending&page=5
Darth_Sushi wrote:
Darth_Sushi wrote:
I have made it more than clear that I only represent people who are interested in playing and improving upon the current officially supported game. The emo/emu precutard rollback crowd is free to look elsewhere for a shoulder to cry on. You can quote me on that.
"Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now.
We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
But I agree with this threads sentiment, this Darth_Sushi guy is just way out of line. He could say that he wants to shift the focus of a thread toward improving the current game without being a totally condescending asshole about it.
Consideration and respect go a long way.
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