They did say they would release once they had sandbox - didnt his photo's show him running around in a sandbox? kind of contradict themselfs right there so im more inclinde to belife the op even if i dont agree with the sub figures.
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by JediGeek I think we need to be careful with the term rollback. An actual rollback would mean rolling back all the data back to a specific date. There would be so many problems with that it wouldn't even be funny. I don't see actually rolling back as a viable option. Now, opening fresh classic servers is an option. Another possibility would be to designate a few servers to be converted to fresh Pre-CU servers. This would require time for any existing players to get a free transfer to a NGE server that won't convert. I think we need to be careful to not use the term "rollback" as that has specific connotations that aren't viable. Consolidating NGE servers and wiping others to start them as fresh Pre-CU servers is possible. Opening new fresh Pre-CU servers is an option.
I don't care HOW they get there... just that they get there.
I'd LOVE to have my character.. with her skills, and her badassed weapons and her credits. My YT-1300 and my Bellebub.
I'll take what I can get.
Thats my problem. I would give two shits about SWG now if I didnt delete my character when I resubed for the last time and dealt with the NGE on test. Id rather have her non-existant than just code rotting away on one of those NGE servers. I regret it in a way though, as I had a Firespray and she was Master Privateer, two things I dont think I could ever get again.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by tjvoodoo I had to vote yes 100% just for the emu comments:
They did say they would release once they had sandbox - didnt his photo's show him running around in a sandbox? kind of contradict themselfs right there so im more inclinde to belife the op even if i dont agree with the sub figures.
They aren't there yet. That was zone insertion. Sandbox will be when they have it so that you actually can load in dynamically.
Originally posted by Shayde While it was an interesting post, If it really was a designer who left and they actually said WHEN they left and then thought a fake name will protect him.. well it explains the state of the game's code today.
Waiting to see what happens though... it's never boring when you talk SWG.
My feelings EXACTLY. I wan't going to respond to this worthless piece of trash post due to the fact that no fake email address and/or name is going to protect your identity ... especialy when you give away when you left. And even if he left 6 months ago $OE could still put 2 + 2 together.
This guy is a fraud.
Sago Mactow Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet 6/26/03 - 1/26/06 Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect DFR Councilman Tarq Server
While I'm not sure if any of this is true what would it matter if SOE knew who the OP is. What can they do fire him/her? And the OP never said that LEC came up with the NGE they said that LEC did not want them going back to pre-nge.
Now I doubt that there is any truth to any of this because I would like it to be true. Anyway the really sad part is I would resub my four accounts in a heart beat if they went to pre-cu. If they started over again with a pre-cu server I would resub three in a heartbeat and the fourth in a couple months.
Just in case you're for real, you have my complete respect and adoration for your post. Lets hope LA, that gnarly 500 pound gorilla, allows a reset to the original game, from whence we can all start over and build something amazing.
Originally posted by Athela Just in case you're for real, you have my complete respect and adoration for your post. Lets hope LA, that gnarly 500 pound gorilla, allows a reset to the original game, from whence we can all start over and build something amazing.
Yeah.. I'm with ya there too. If it IS legit, I respect the size of your stones bubba!
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
The fact that he states there is over 175K SWG accounts tells me he is full of the brown stuff LOL. He also says there is 30K "trial" accounts. Well we all know from other posts from people in the business and gaming web sites that primetime has anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of the actual numbers of people that have accounts to a game.
That would put the SWG playerbase at 30 - 50K. What number did he provide? 175K? That may be more like the TOTAL number of people playing ALL $OE games.
Sago Mactow Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet 6/26/03 - 1/26/06 Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect DFR Councilman Tarq Server
Even if this guy is legit, we all know he wont know much info regardless. Look at the NGE, how many developers were completely left in the dark about that ? Answer, most which was obvious with the revamps being worked on which later were pointless.
I also dont buy LA not going with SOE's proposal for pre-cu servers. LA had no problem going with the NGE, why now do they say "no thanks" to something guaranteed to bring back 200k players ???
Uper management knows why SOE wont ever roll this game back....
PS3
You cant tell me the changes to SWG had nothing to do with a possible port to console. And SOE can play all the semantics games they like...its not a console its a home entertainment system...we arent actually porting it, just that PS3 players can access it....
The other reason is also obvious. Stripping the game down brings down costs. Less professions = less developers
Finally, no way this game has 175k players even counting free trials and station pass players.
Breakdown...
The majority of all-access players have never touched SWG, their only interested in extra EQ2 slots. There are a total of 50k all-access accounts. So take out 45k right there (assuming even 10% have a SWG toon)
175k - 45k = 130k
Free trials - ridiculous that its counted because most dont stay. The average is 5-10% stay and create an account. So 32k - 3k who stick = 29k bogus amount
130k - 29k = 101k
Also, Im sure your numbers arent 100% up to date. By next month the numbers again will fall dramatically. Why, well recently many who had 6 month prepaid accounts have just recently expired. Many more with 1 yr prepaid will also be soon cancelled. Lets be low and just say 5k prepaid accounts got cancelled
96k
and even that number will seem high to anyone who's played recently. Recent sniffer packet info leaked showed 10k players on during primetime. Its widely accepted that on average 1/4 to 1/5 of total population will be on during peak times. That means 40-50k players.
I'd estimate then 40-96k paying customers. Go middle, and we get a number thats been tossed around by industry insiders before...
Originally posted by admriker444 Even if this guy is legit, we all know he wont know much info regardless. Look at the NGE, how many developers were completely left in the dark about that ? Answer, most which was obvious with the revamps being worked on which later were pointless. I also dont buy LA not going with SOE's proposal for pre-cu servers. LA had no problem going with the NGE, why now do they say "no thanks" to something guaranteed to bring back 200k players ??? Uper management knows why SOE wont ever roll this game back.... PS3 You cant tell me the changes to SWG had nothing to do with a possible port to console. And SOE can play all the semantics games they like...its not a console its a home entertainment system...we arent actually porting it, just that PS3 players can access it.... The other reason is also obvious. Stripping the game down brings down costs. Less professions = less developers Finally, no way this game has 175k players even counting free trials and station pass players. Breakdown... The majority of all-access players have never touched SWG, their only interested in extra EQ2 slots. There are a total of 50k all-access accounts. So take out 45k right there (assuming even 10% have a SWG toon) 175k - 45k = 130k Free trials - ridiculous that its counted because most dont stay. The average is 5-10% stay and create an account. So 32k - 3k who stick = 29k bogus amount 130k - 29k = 101k Also, Im sure your numbers arent 100% up to date. By next month the numbers again will fall dramatically. Why, well recently many who had 6 month prepaid accounts have just recently expired. Many more with 1 yr prepaid will also be soon cancelled. Lets be low and just say 5k prepaid accounts got cancelled 96k and even that number will seem high to anyone who's played recently. Recent sniffer packet info leaked showed 10k players on during primetime. Its widely accepted that on average 1/4 to 1/5 of total population will be on during peak times. That means 40-50k players. I'd estimate then 40-96k paying customers. Go middle, and we get a number thats been tossed around by industry insiders before... 70k
Keep in mind that many Galaxies players have/had multiple accounts. I remember a poll on the official SWG website asking about this, and almost 50% had more than one account. In pre NGE, Most Jedis had alternate accounts. Crafters had combat alts and vice versa. This was because of the one character per server rule. I'm sure the extra account numbers have gone down, but many players probably still have multiple accounts. Of course if you have 2 or 3 accounts you'll probably only be logged in on one at a time.
Originally posted by Sago The fact that he states there is over 175K SWG accounts tells me he is full of the brown stuff LOL. He also says there is 30K "trial" accounts. Well we all know from other posts from people in the business and gaming web sites that primetime has anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of the actual numbers of people that have accounts to a game. That would put the SWG playerbase at 30 - 50K. What number did he provide? 175K? That may be more like the TOTAL number of people playing ALL $OE games.
Please give links to these industy types who state such and where you get your numbers . We all want to know things like this , So any helpful Info would be much appreiciated .
The only site I know which attempts to give such info (which from I understand many in the industry use to compare ) suggests roughly around 175-190K accounts .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Sago The fact that he states there is over 175K SWG accounts tells me he is full of the brown stuff LOL. He also says there is 30K "trial" accounts. Well we all know from other posts from people in the business and gaming web sites that primetime has anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of the actual numbers of people that have accounts to a game. That would put the SWG playerbase at 30 - 50K. What number did he provide? 175K? That may be more like the TOTAL number of people playing ALL $OE games.
Please give links to these industy types who state such and where you get your numbers . We all want to know things like this , So any helpful Info would be much appreiciated .
The only site I know which attempts to give such info (which from I understand many in the industry use to compare ) suggests roughly around 175-190K accounts .
**EDIT** Nvm misread
And Malick im guessing you mean MMORPGchart.com or whatever the hell it is, and if thats so then I think we are screwed in the real evidence department.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Actually I think the 30-50k playerbase is accurate. This is not accounts, this the amount of people that actively play the game.
This would line up with the figures gotten by a packetsniffer that showed about 10k people online at primetime. 1/5 of the playerbase online at primetime seems reasonable.
Originally posted by Spathotan Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Sago The fact that he states there is over 175K SWG accounts tells me he is full of the brown stuff LOL. He also says there is 30K "trial" accounts. Well we all know from other posts from people in the business and gaming web sites that primetime has anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of the actual numbers of people that have accounts to a game. That would put the SWG playerbase at 30 - 50K. What number did he provide? 175K? That may be more like the TOTAL number of people playing ALL $OE games.
Please give links to these industy types who state such and where you get your numbers . We all want to know things like this , So any helpful Info would be much appreiciated .
The only site I know which attempts to give such info (which from I understand many in the industry use to compare ) suggests roughly around 175-190K accounts .
**EDIT** Nvm misread
And Malick im guessing you mean MMORPGchart.com or whatever the hell it is, and if thats so then I think we are screwed in the real evidence department. Exactly , My point being it is the only site I know of who attempts giving such info . It is all atleast 60% speculative .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Why ? Why would you state such obvious lies ? Anyone can tell in 2 minutes that everything that's going on at SWGemu forums are for real... In a matter of months, you'll be ridiculous (and probably way before that when we see videos of recent advancements).
So I have a question : are you in need to look as an idiot or/and do you "work" for SOE now ?
Originally posted by xPaladin Someone important did leave though. But I'm not entirely convinced of the OP's accuracy. It's mixed, and could just be an opportunist.
I don't think that's for SWG though
If you look closely at the the job description, you'll see the line that says, "A passion for comic books and an understanding of related themes and concepts" and "Up-to-date understanding of major comic book characters and storylines". I'd say this is for the new SOE game John Smedley keeps alluding to.
Originally posted by Smedley3cd Originally posted by xPaladin Someone important did leave though. But I'm not entirely convinced of the OP's accuracy. It's mixed, and could just be an opportunist.
I don't think that's for SWG though
If you look closely at the the job description, you'll see the line that says, "A passion for comic books and an understanding of related themes and concepts" and "Up-to-date understanding of major comic book characters and storylines". I'd say this is for the new SOE game John Smedley keeps alluding to.
Probaby for DC comics online which SOE is developing. Bad move for DC. I'm not sure this guy is for real but don't you guys remember the post about the NGE that was on these forums about 2 days before it was announced. Everyone bashed that guy and he was 100% accurate.
Originally posted by brostyn Body coders, as you call it, wouldn't be subject to the knowledge you claim to know. That's called management. Try again later, please.
1 million bucks says this is Shayde.
LOL I was just about to post that, similarities between the OP's name and Shayde's sig...
I may have believed this up to the point that it mentioned the EMU site.
They up front stated that what you said was "hand coded" (aka static) that there was no database interaction etc.
Logged in that way, you would have the basic static items but that's it. Which is exactly what they have in the screen shots. They also state that it was just a first step.. a big step but a start.
Getting emulators up isn't new.. most of the MMO's have an emulated version.
What I found interesting on "that EMU site" was them stating that a few days ago someone jumped onboard that is one of the best packet reversers they have seen.
If you want to start a rumor maybe start one about who that person is and possibly that they formerly worked on SWG. Thus knew the packet stream to begin with ... and continue a rumor from that.
As to if the OP did work for SOE/LEC and left a week ago.
Almost all corporations make you sign a very legally binding NDA when you leave. Most of those cover a 1 year period. Just as we saw when Richard Garriott left OSI.. and when Raph left SOE etc etc.
When I was in my early 20's I worked for a dairy. We had to agree to not work for a competitor for 1 year after we left...
Ya if the OP is for real you would be talking about some stones. Its not that hard for someone with real intent to find out who you are. Beyond the legal issues it may be hard to find a job in the industry any time soon if you like making games much.
I'm sure SOE would be pretty keen on that kind of NDA breaking (if you believe the OP).
Wasn't all that long ago that there was some action in the Gaming news about this exact kind of thing (agreements signed when leaving a company). Was on gamespot a while back.. seems one of those things that companies actually will do... unlike fixing game bugs etc
When I departed from my last job as a design engineer (I quit) I refused to sign a departing NDA. When HR handed it to me I said, I am not signing this. I thought they were going to shit themselves, but what could they do? Nothing. I don't work here no more. Sign a departing NDA ROFL ROFL.
Awesome... Sadly enough though where I work there are people who are required ot sign an NDA / NCA before they are even hired in.. If ya dont sign you arent considered for employment anymore... I hate when comapnies do this... Just smells of trouble, and also bings up the age old question.. I wonder what they are trying to hide...
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars.. Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons... Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
Comments
I had to vote yes 100% just for the emu comments:
They did say they would release once they had sandbox - didnt his photo's show him running around in a sandbox? kind of contradict themselfs right there so im more inclinde to belife the op even if i dont agree with the sub figures.
I'd LOVE to have my character.. with her skills, and her badassed weapons and her credits. My YT-1300 and my Bellebub.
I'll take what I can get.
Thats my problem. I would give two shits about SWG now if I didnt delete my character when I resubed for the last time and dealt with the NGE on test. Id rather have her non-existant than just code rotting away on one of those NGE servers. I regret it in a way though, as I had a Firespray and she was Master Privateer, two things I dont think I could ever get again.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
My feelings EXACTLY. I wan't going to respond to this worthless piece of trash post due to the fact that no fake email address and/or name is going to protect your identity ... especialy when you give away when you left. And even if he left 6 months ago $OE could still put 2 + 2 together.
This guy is a fraud.
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
While I'm not sure if any of this is true what would it matter if SOE knew who the OP is. What can they do fire him/her? And the OP never said that LEC came up with the NGE they said that LEC did not want them going back to pre-nge.
Now I doubt that there is any truth to any of this because I would like it to be true. Anyway the really sad part is I would resub my four accounts in a heart beat if they went to pre-cu. If they started over again with a pre-cu server I would resub three in a heartbeat and the fourth in a couple months.
I don't claim to be right, I'm just posting.
Just in case you're for real, you have my complete respect and adoration for your post. Lets hope LA, that gnarly 500 pound gorilla, allows a reset to the original game, from whence we can all start over and build something amazing.
If you're not real, charming post anyhoo.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
The fact that he states there is over 175K SWG accounts tells me he is full of the brown stuff LOL. He also says there is 30K "trial" accounts. Well we all know from other posts from people in the business and gaming web sites that primetime has anywhere from 1/3 to 1/5 of the actual numbers of people that have accounts to a game.
That would put the SWG playerbase at 30 - 50K. What number did he provide? 175K? That may be more like the TOTAL number of people playing ALL $OE games.
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
Even if this guy is legit, we all know he wont know much info regardless. Look at the NGE, how many developers were completely left in the dark about that ? Answer, most which was obvious with the revamps being worked on which later were pointless.
I also dont buy LA not going with SOE's proposal for pre-cu servers. LA had no problem going with the NGE, why now do they say "no thanks" to something guaranteed to bring back 200k players ???
Uper management knows why SOE wont ever roll this game back....
PS3
You cant tell me the changes to SWG had nothing to do with a possible port to console. And SOE can play all the semantics games they like...its not a console its a home entertainment system...we arent actually porting it, just that PS3 players can access it....
The other reason is also obvious. Stripping the game down brings down costs. Less professions = less developers
Finally, no way this game has 175k players even counting free trials and station pass players.
Breakdown...
The majority of all-access players have never touched SWG, their only interested in extra EQ2 slots. There are a total of 50k all-access accounts. So take out 45k right there (assuming even 10% have a SWG toon)
175k - 45k = 130k
Free trials - ridiculous that its counted because most dont stay. The average is 5-10% stay and create an account. So 32k - 3k who stick = 29k bogus amount
130k - 29k = 101k
Also, Im sure your numbers arent 100% up to date. By next month the numbers again will fall dramatically. Why, well recently many who had 6 month prepaid accounts have just recently expired. Many more with 1 yr prepaid will also be soon cancelled. Lets be low and just say 5k prepaid accounts got cancelled
96k
and even that number will seem high to anyone who's played recently. Recent sniffer packet info leaked showed 10k players on during primetime. Its widely accepted that on average 1/4 to 1/5 of total population will be on during peak times. That means 40-50k players.
I'd estimate then 40-96k paying customers. Go middle, and we get a number thats been tossed around by industry insiders before...
70k
Keep in mind that many Galaxies players have/had multiple accounts. I remember a poll on the official SWG website asking about this, and almost 50% had more than one account. In pre NGE, Most Jedis had alternate accounts. Crafters had combat alts and vice versa. This was because of the one character per server rule. I'm sure the extra account numbers have gone down, but many players probably still have multiple accounts. Of course if you have 2 or 3 accounts you'll probably only be logged in on one at a time.
The only site I know which attempts to give such info (which from I understand many in the industry use to compare ) suggests roughly around 175-190K accounts .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The only site I know which attempts to give such info (which from I understand many in the industry use to compare ) suggests roughly around 175-190K accounts .
**EDIT** Nvm misread
And Malick im guessing you mean MMORPGchart.com or whatever the hell it is, and if thats so then I think we are screwed in the real evidence department.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Actually I think the 30-50k playerbase is accurate. This is not accounts, this the amount of people that actively play the game.
This would line up with the figures gotten by a packetsniffer that showed about 10k people online at primetime. 1/5 of the playerbase online at primetime seems reasonable.
Another ploy to get subs or maintain they have......
"I'm not a racist...I only hate stupid people..."-SinisterCB
The only site I know which attempts to give such info (which from I understand many in the industry use to compare ) suggests roughly around 175-190K accounts .
**EDIT** Nvm misread
And Malick im guessing you mean MMORPGchart.com or whatever the hell it is, and if thats so then I think we are screwed in the real evidence department.
Exactly , My point being it is the only site I know of who attempts giving such info . It is all atleast 60% speculative .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So I have a question : are you in need to look as an idiot or/and do you "work" for SOE now ?
I don't think that's for SWG though
If you look closely at the the job description, you'll see the line that says, "A passion for comic books and an understanding of related themes and concepts" and "Up-to-date understanding of major comic book characters and storylines". I'd say this is for the new SOE game John Smedley keeps alluding to.
I don't think that's for SWG though
If you look closely at the the job description, you'll see the line that says, "A passion for comic books and an understanding of related themes and concepts" and "Up-to-date understanding of major comic book characters and storylines". I'd say this is for the new SOE game John Smedley keeps alluding to.
Probaby for DC comics online which SOE is developing. Bad move for DC. I'm not sure this guy is for real but don't you guys remember the post about the NGE that was on these forums about 2 days before it was announced. Everyone bashed that guy and he was 100% accurate.
yeah we bashed the NGE guy .. even i did, but someone was right once doesnt make every other thing said automatically true
the other 47329807430275783217489213741298957028594358 rumors said before and since the NGE guy havent come true.
take it with a grain of salt and sit back and enjoy the drama. Hell TNT got nothing on SWG for drama.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
1 million bucks says this is Shayde.
I may have believed this up to the point that it mentioned the EMU site.
They up front stated that what you said was "hand coded" (aka static) that there was no database interaction etc.
Logged in that way, you would have the basic static items but that's it. Which is exactly what they have in the screen shots. They also state that it was just a first step.. a big step but a start.
Getting emulators up isn't new.. most of the MMO's have an emulated version.
What I found interesting on "that EMU site" was them stating that a few days ago someone jumped onboard that is one of the best packet reversers they have seen.
If you want to start a rumor maybe start one about who that person is and possibly that they formerly worked on SWG. Thus knew the packet stream to begin with ... and continue a rumor from that.
As to if the OP did work for SOE/LEC and left a week ago.
Almost all corporations make you sign a very legally binding NDA when you leave. Most of those cover a 1 year period. Just as we saw when Richard Garriott left OSI.. and when Raph left SOE etc etc.
When I was in my early 20's I worked for a dairy. We had to agree to not work for a competitor for 1 year after we left...
Ya if the OP is for real you would be talking about some stones. Its not that hard for someone with real intent to find out who you are. Beyond the legal issues it may be hard to find a job in the industry any time soon if you like making games much.
I'm sure SOE would be pretty keen on that kind of NDA breaking (if you believe the OP).
Wasn't all that long ago that there was some action in the Gaming news about this exact kind of thing (agreements signed when leaving a company). Was on gamespot a while back.. seems one of those things that companies actually will do... unlike fixing game bugs etc
Awesome... Sadly enough though where I work there are people who are required ot sign an NDA / NCA before they are even hired in.. If ya dont sign you arent considered for employment anymore... I hate when comapnies do this... Just smells of trouble, and also bings up the age old question.. I wonder what they are trying to hide...
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.