Originally posted by sarbonn So, all we need for the final two horsemen of the apocalpyse is for EA to buy Eve Online and for Sony to buy Blizzard. Then all the fun will ensue.
Blizzard is already owned my Vivendi... and that doesn't say much.
Also, i'm sure if anything was going to happen to GWs beloved WAR they would find some way to scream contract breach. Besides, GW and Mythic have always had a tight relationship, they stated that in the beginning. I'm sure that Mythic will honor that trust and fight to keep their sophomore game as good as possible.
That's not to say I don't hate EA. The fact is that EA has pushed DICE to make more and more crappy Battlefield *insert edition here* games/expansions. The first battlefield 1942 was awesome, now it's screwed. Westwood USED TO make good games, now they make C&C Generals *puke*. I can give you 100 more titles... but the point is. EA is fighting SOE for the title of "How many indie games can we snatch up and turn to crap" and they're getting pretty close.
Once again, the only thing we can hope for is GW and Mythic fighting for what's right, and saying "Hand us the checks, put your name on the product, we won't let you down."
I'm sorry... Mythic should have avoided this. All they have to do is look at what happened to OSI (Origin Systems, Inc), the makers of Ultima Online, to see WHY this is a huge mistake.
Every UO vet will tell you that EA destroyed UO over time once they got their claws on it. I expect the same with WAR.
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Here's the thing, it's a done deal, yes, but EA doesn't officiallly own Mythic until Q2 2007, which is when WAR is slated for release, or at least close to the date. So this leads me to believe EA won't be screwing with WAR, at least not at launch, and this will be strictly a launch deal. Mythic makes a kickass game, and EA benefeits.
I don't know about the future of Mythic, but I think at least WAR is safe... for now.
Wow, another one bites the dust! Lets see how EAs on MMOs
Motor City Online: Destroyed
Earth and Beyond: Destroyed
Ultima Online: Declining
Sims Online: On life support
I don't like EA as an MMO company, because they have a HORRIBLE track record with them. I really feel sorry for anyone playing Dark Age of Camelot and upcoming Warhammer. My prediction is EA pulls plug on DAOC to use its resources on "other projects". As for Warhammer, who knows.
Originally posted by Murais Here's the thing, it's a done deal, yes, but EA doesn't officiallly own Mythic until Q2 2007, which is when WAR is slated for release, or at least close to the date. So this leads me to believe EA won't be screwing with WAR, at least not at launch, and this will be strictly a launch deal. Mythic makes a kickass game, and EA benefeits.
I don't know about the future of Mythic, but I think at least WAR is safe... for now.
EA didn't own Origin when UO released either. Look how much they managed to screw that game up only 2-3 years after it's release. It took a little while but they slowly managed to totally mess the game up. To the point where 'illegal' shards are almost more populated than the official ones. Illegal shards running, I might add, "Classic" (original UO) versions of the game.
WAR may be just fine at release... I honestly hope it is.... It's EA's track record that I'm concerned with. UO was a hugely successful MMORPG, EQ's ONLY rival for years, yet EA slowly killed it over time. I hope WAR makes such a huge success before EA gets their claws into it that they don't dare mess with it. I doubt that'll happen though. Unless it outright eclipses WoW I suspect they'll get their claws into it and start messing things up fairly quickly trying to make it 'more successful'. Just like they did with UO. And if anyone thinks Mythic will still exist for very long after EA gets hold of them... think about how many gamers out there today have no clue who Origin Systems was. Better yet, how many of you posting in this thread know who Kesmai Studios was
Originally posted by GMan33 I really feel sorry for anyone playing Dark Age of Camelot and upcoming Warhammer. My prediction is EA pulls plug on DAOC to use its resources on "other projects".
They will introduce Ninja and Samurai classes before doing that, just to see if it would have any effect on the gameplay.
Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Murais Here's the thing, it's a done deal, yes, but EA doesn't officiallly own Mythic until Q2 2007, which is when WAR is slated for release, or at least close to the date. So this leads me to believe EA won't be screwing with WAR, at least not at launch, and this will be strictly a launch deal. Mythic makes a kickass game, and EA benefeits.
I don't know about the future of Mythic, but I think at least WAR is safe... for now.
EA didn't own Origin when UO released either. Look how much they managed to screw that game up only 2-3 years after it's release. It took a little while but they slowly managed to totally mess the game up. To the point where 'illegal' shards are almost more populated than the official ones. Illegal shards running, I might add, "Classic" (original UO) versions of the game.
WAR may be just fine at release... I honestly hope it is.... It's EA's track record that I'm concerned with. UO was a hugely successful MMORPG, EQ's ONLY rival for years, yet EA slowly killed it over time. I hope WAR makes such a huge success before EA gets their claws into it that they don't dare mess with it. I doubt that'll happen though. Unless it outright eclipses WoW I suspect they'll get their claws into it and start messing things up fairly quickly trying to make it 'more successful'. Just like they did with UO. And if anyone thinks Mythic will still exist for very long after EA gets hold of them... think about how many gamers out there today have no clue who Origin Systems was.
But GW ISN'T owned by EA, and they're still the major deciding force in this project, and if they say no, then it doesn't go. GW can also be a pretty big legal bitch as well.
I'm trying to look on the bright side, I'm hoping that GW won't let EA meddle with their precious Warhammer. I hope to my core they won't let them.
Originally posted by GMan33 Wow, another one bites the dust! Lets see how EAs on MMOs Motor City Online: Destroyed Earth and Beyond: Destroyed Ultima Online: Declining Sims Online: On life support I don't like EA as an MMO company, because they have a HORRIBLE track record with them. I really feel sorry for anyone playing Dark Age of Camelot and upcoming Warhammer. My prediction is EA pulls plug on DAOC to use its resources on "other projects". As for Warhammer, who knows.
You forgot Multiplayer Battletech: 3025 (which they killed, literally, days before it was set to release with no explanation whatsoever. Interestingly... Kesmai... the studio they purchased who was making MPBT also vanished at the same time).
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Originally posted by Murais Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Murais Here's the thing, it's a done deal, yes, but EA doesn't officiallly own Mythic until Q2 2007, which is when WAR is slated for release, or at least close to the date. So this leads me to believe EA won't be screwing with WAR, at least not at launch, and this will be strictly a launch deal. Mythic makes a kickass game, and EA benefeits.
I don't know about the future of Mythic, but I think at least WAR is safe... for now.
EA didn't own Origin when UO released either. Look how much they managed to screw that game up only 2-3 years after it's release. It took a little while but they slowly managed to totally mess the game up. To the point where 'illegal' shards are almost more populated than the official ones. Illegal shards running, I might add, "Classic" (original UO) versions of the game.
WAR may be just fine at release... I honestly hope it is.... It's EA's track record that I'm concerned with. UO was a hugely successful MMORPG, EQ's ONLY rival for years, yet EA slowly killed it over time. I hope WAR makes such a huge success before EA gets their claws into it that they don't dare mess with it. I doubt that'll happen though. Unless it outright eclipses WoW I suspect they'll get their claws into it and start messing things up fairly quickly trying to make it 'more successful'. Just like they did with UO. And if anyone thinks Mythic will still exist for very long after EA gets hold of them... think about how many gamers out there today have no clue who Origin Systems was.
But GW ISN'T owned by EA, and they're still the major deciding force in this project, and if they say no, then it doesn't go. GW can also be a pretty big legal bitch as well.
I'm trying to look on the bright side, I'm hoping that GW won't let EA meddle with their precious Warhammer. I hope to my core they won't let them.
EA has an interesting habit of cancelling projects if there are legal complications, rather than working through the legal problems. MPBT, it has been theorized, was a victim of just such a dispute... with none other than Microsoft.
Be optimistic... just be informed about it.
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However, just because EA has bought Mythic doesn't mean it will make hundreds of millions of dollars off RPGs. [ROFL] "EA does not equal success," said Cai, "They've had their share of failures in the online gaming space like [everything since UO] They definitely want to try, though."
Losers. I'll still watch how WAR goes, but it just went from being most anticipated to just another MMO that'll probably suck.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
You people are over reacting. Mythic will hardly change, only a few changes at the top jobs. EA now has their backs when it comes to funds, and thats all that has really changed. saying you won´t look at warhammer anymore just because EA has taken over Mythic, is sad. nothing will change for warhammer.This takeover has no effect on warhammer or DaoC.
Originally posted by Gameloading You people are over reacting. Mythic will hardly change, only a few changes at the top jobs. EA now has their backs when it comes to funds, and thats all that has really changed. saying you won´t look at warhammer anymore just because EA has taken over Mythic, is sad. nothing will change for warhammer.This takeover has no effect on warhammer or DaoC.
Like it didn't have an effect on UO, or Earth & Beyond?
I've calmed down some but this is still a horrible thing that has taken place. EA's track record with mmorpgs is horrible. A lot of the times it isn't even because the mmorpgs are bad but due to how EA handled them. There there are the single player/mulitplayer games. You can use UO as an example of them doing good but even that that's questionable. The game engine is horrid and the lag is bad. Not lag due to network connections but lag because of how the game is built. After 8 years they still refuse to make any changes. Its sad when my system greatly above the recommened specs but I get treated to a slide show most times in eithr the 2D or 3D clients.I gave the game a fair shot but there is no way in hell I'd try it again.
EA is worse then SOE I dare say. At least they have some idea of what they are doing, save that whole Star Wars Galaxies fuck up. I'd rather see Mythic in bed with them then EA anytime.
<b><blockquote> <hr /><i>Originally posted by Gameloading</i> <b>You people are over reacting. Mythic will hardly change, only a few changes at the top jobs. EA now has their backs when it comes to funds, and thats all that has really changed. saying you won´t look at warhammer anymore just because EA has taken over Mythic, is sad. nothing will change for warhammer.This takeover has no effect on warhammer or DaoC.
</b> <hr /></blockquote>Like it didn't have an effect on UO, or Earth & Beyond?
naive much? </b><hr>
They've pretty much sat on the entire Ultima line save for UO (which will never see a engine upgrade which it seriously needs). They put all that work into Ultima X: Odyssey and then decided to move development which caused basicly most of the development staff to leave because they didn't want to move and had live in the past location for years. Then lied and said it wasn't going to affect the game, then got all quiet and canceled the game after it being extremely stable and playable from what reports and people that played the alpha/beta say. Sims Online has just been all but abandon I think. Earth and Beyond was canceled, almost right after they got the company that made it I think, give a few months.
Their track record with mmorpgs doesn't produce any confidence towards them.
ALL companies, companies that has existed since the C64. ALL companies bought by EA has been destroyed, disappeared and all their franchises taken out of production. Its called "Buy out the competition", taking their cometence and moving it to thier own products. So... Mythic will release Warhammer, not even EA is stupid enough to close that down in a year or two (after that, its a free guess), but after that.. no more Mythic. They will be working on NHL 2010 and wonder "What the hell happened"
But the suits in the company just got a huge bonus this year... millions. Us players..? Just lost one of the best companies out there... for good. Its just money.. quality be damned.
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"ok I guess I was looking at a old eve subs chart.
but runescape is a free game, so its only fit to compare it to other free games like maple story" -Originally posted by Xirik
Wrong again, that is paying subscribers. Would you please do a little research before posting more guesses? Runescape has had over two million total players since 2004, since the total includes free accounts, the way the total is counted is they include all accounts that log in within a two week period. But the 750,000 is paying subscribers, although it is important to point out it's only $5, though I doubt their development costs are very high.
Originally posted by Minsc Originally posted by Gameloading You people are over reacting. Mythic will hardly change, only a few changes at the top jobs. EA now has their backs when it comes to funds, and thats all that has really changed. saying you won´t look at warhammer anymore just because EA has taken over Mythic, is sad. nothing will change for warhammer.This takeover has no effect on warhammer or DaoC.
Like it didn't have an effect on UO, or Earth & Beyond?
naive much?
That was how many years ago? They have diffrent people working at EA now. I take my information from the article that has been given to us, not by some past events happening years and years ago. the information clearly says that nothing has changed.
Originally posted by Tithrielle Wonder if all the SOE haters that jumped ship to WAR from Vanguard will have a problem with this too.
It raises a red flag (red flag = pay more attention to the situation). Change can be good or it can be bad. I liked the current direction it seemed to be headed, if that direction changes, then naturally a reconsideration is in order.
Originally posted by sempiternal same MMOG ignorant upper management.
There ya go! EA wants to have a MMO like WoW. To accomplish this, they will make Warhammer a WoW clone. Don't beleive me, don't beleive EA's history with MMO's. You will see.
The reason I like Mythic is that they care for their customers and usually there are patches that other companies would sell as expansions...
EA record with MMORPG's are a disastrous one (UO and Earth and Beyond) and look what happened to EQ2 when SOE decided to go ahead without mythic or what happened to SWG when all beta testers cried that the game wasn't ready for launch. (ok SOE is another company but it is still runed as EA from non gamers)
Warhammer has a lot of friends at a tittle and it seems that's the only reason EA jumped in since it was the most promising new launch (one that had a slight chance of hitting WoW)
Now EA just wants to cash in from the tittle using poor DAOC as a cash cow
I DO think that Warhammer will launch a lot sooner than it would if mythic was in charge, I just hope Mythic people will have a say in that
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Blizzard is already owned my Vivendi... and that doesn't say much.
Also, i'm sure if anything was going to happen to GWs beloved WAR they would find some way to scream contract breach. Besides, GW and Mythic have always had a tight relationship, they stated that in the beginning. I'm sure that Mythic will honor that trust and fight to keep their sophomore game as good as possible.
That's not to say I don't hate EA. The fact is that EA has pushed DICE to make more and more crappy Battlefield *insert edition here* games/expansions. The first battlefield 1942 was awesome, now it's screwed. Westwood USED TO make good games, now they make C&C Generals *puke*. I can give you 100 more titles... but the point is. EA is fighting SOE for the title of "How many indie games can we snatch up and turn to crap" and they're getting pretty close.
Once again, the only thing we can hope for is GW and Mythic fighting for what's right, and saying "Hand us the checks, put your name on the product, we won't let you down."
LYING BASTARDS MYTHIC!!!
Every UO vet will tell you that EA destroyed UO over time once they got their claws on it. I expect the same with WAR.
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I don't know about the future of Mythic, but I think at least WAR is safe... for now.
Damn you Mythic...damn you...
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Wow, another one bites the dust! Lets see how EAs on MMOs
Motor City Online: Destroyed
Earth and Beyond: Destroyed
Ultima Online: Declining
Sims Online: On life support
I don't like EA as an MMO company, because they have a HORRIBLE track record with them. I really feel sorry for anyone playing Dark Age of Camelot and upcoming Warhammer. My prediction is EA pulls plug on DAOC to use its resources on "other projects". As for Warhammer, who knows.
WAR may be just fine at release... I honestly hope it is.... It's EA's track record that I'm concerned with. UO was a hugely successful MMORPG, EQ's ONLY rival for years, yet EA slowly killed it over time. I hope WAR makes such a huge success before EA gets their claws into it that they don't dare mess with it. I doubt that'll happen though. Unless it outright eclipses WoW I suspect they'll get their claws into it and start messing things up fairly quickly trying to make it 'more successful'. Just like they did with UO. And if anyone thinks Mythic will still exist for very long after EA gets hold of them... think about how many gamers out there today have no clue who Origin Systems was. Better yet, how many of you posting in this thread know who Kesmai Studios was
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WAR may be just fine at release... I honestly hope it is.... It's EA's track record that I'm concerned with. UO was a hugely successful MMORPG, EQ's ONLY rival for years, yet EA slowly killed it over time. I hope WAR makes such a huge success before EA gets their claws into it that they don't dare mess with it. I doubt that'll happen though. Unless it outright eclipses WoW I suspect they'll get their claws into it and start messing things up fairly quickly trying to make it 'more successful'. Just like they did with UO. And if anyone thinks Mythic will still exist for very long after EA gets hold of them... think about how many gamers out there today have no clue who Origin Systems was.
But GW ISN'T owned by EA, and they're still the major deciding force in this project, and if they say no, then it doesn't go. GW can also be a pretty big legal bitch as well.
I'm trying to look on the bright side, I'm hoping that GW won't let EA meddle with their precious Warhammer. I hope to my core they won't let them.
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WAR may be just fine at release... I honestly hope it is.... It's EA's track record that I'm concerned with. UO was a hugely successful MMORPG, EQ's ONLY rival for years, yet EA slowly killed it over time. I hope WAR makes such a huge success before EA gets their claws into it that they don't dare mess with it. I doubt that'll happen though. Unless it outright eclipses WoW I suspect they'll get their claws into it and start messing things up fairly quickly trying to make it 'more successful'. Just like they did with UO. And if anyone thinks Mythic will still exist for very long after EA gets hold of them... think about how many gamers out there today have no clue who Origin Systems was.
But GW ISN'T owned by EA, and they're still the major deciding force in this project, and if they say no, then it doesn't go. GW can also be a pretty big legal bitch as well.
I'm trying to look on the bright side, I'm hoping that GW won't let EA meddle with their precious Warhammer. I hope to my core they won't let them.
EA has an interesting habit of cancelling projects if there are legal complications, rather than working through the legal problems. MPBT, it has been theorized, was a victim of just such a dispute... with none other than Microsoft.
Be optimistic... just be informed about it.
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hundreds of millions of dollars off RPGs. [ROFL] "EA does not equal success,"
said Cai, "They've had their share of failures in the online gaming space like [everything since UO] They definitely
want to try, though."
Losers. I'll still watch how WAR goes, but it just went from being most anticipated to just another MMO that'll probably suck.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
naive much?
I've calmed down some but this is still a horrible thing that has taken place. EA's track record with mmorpgs is horrible. A lot of the times it isn't even because the mmorpgs are bad but due to how EA handled them. There there are the single player/mulitplayer games. You can use UO as an example of them doing good but even that that's questionable. The game engine is horrid and the lag is bad. Not lag due to network connections but lag because of how the game is built. After 8 years they still refuse to make any changes. Its sad when my system greatly above the recommened specs but I get treated to a slide show most times in eithr the 2D or 3D clients.I gave the game a fair shot but there is no way in hell I'd try it again.
EA is worse then SOE I dare say. At least they have some idea of what they are doing, save that whole Star Wars Galaxies fuck up. I'd rather see Mythic in bed with them then EA anytime.
<hr><i>Originally posted by Minsc</i>
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<hr /><i>Originally posted by Gameloading</i>
<b>You people are over reacting. Mythic will hardly change, only a few changes at the top jobs. EA now has their backs when it comes to funds, and thats all that has really changed. saying you won´t look at warhammer anymore just because EA has taken over Mythic, is sad. nothing will change for warhammer.This takeover has no effect on warhammer or DaoC.
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<hr /></blockquote>Like it didn't have an effect on UO, or Earth & Beyond?
naive much?
</b><hr>
They've pretty much sat on the entire Ultima line save for UO (which will never see a engine upgrade which it seriously needs). They put all that work into Ultima X: Odyssey and then decided to move development which caused basicly most of the development staff to leave because they didn't want to move and had live in the past location for years. Then lied and said it wasn't going to affect the game, then got all quiet and canceled the game after it being extremely stable and playable from what reports and people that played the alpha/beta say. Sims Online has just been all but abandon I think. Earth and Beyond was canceled, almost right after they got the company that made it I think, give a few months.
Their track record with mmorpgs doesn't produce any confidence towards them.
ALL companies, companies that has existed since the C64. ALL companies bought by EA has been destroyed, disappeared and all their franchises taken out of production. Its called "Buy out the competition", taking their cometence and moving it to thier own products. So... Mythic will release Warhammer, not even EA is stupid enough to close that down in a year or two (after that, its a free guess), but after that.. no more Mythic. They will be working on NHL 2010 and wonder "What the hell happened"
But the suits in the company just got a huge bonus this year... millions. Us players..? Just lost one of the best companies out there... for good. Its just money.. quality be damned.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
naive much?
That was how many years ago? They have diffrent people working at EA now.
I take my information from the article that has been given to us, not by some past events happening years and years ago. the information clearly says that nothing has changed.
Different developers, same sub-par talent, same MMOG ignorant upper management.
man and I was looking forward to WAR....
The reason I like Mythic is that they care for their customers and usually there are patches that other companies would sell as expansions...
EA record with MMORPG's are a disastrous one (UO and Earth and Beyond) and look what happened to EQ2 when SOE decided to go ahead without mythic or what happened to SWG when all beta testers cried that the game wasn't ready for launch. (ok SOE is another company but it is still runed as EA from non gamers)
Warhammer has a lot of friends at a tittle and it seems that's the only reason EA jumped in since it was the most promising new launch (one that had a slight chance of hitting WoW)
Now EA just wants to cash in from the tittle using poor DAOC as a cash cow
I DO think that Warhammer will launch a lot sooner than it would if mythic was in charge, I just hope Mythic people will have a say in that
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