Originally posted by J0kerr1 You mean make the UN useful?
Nah, can't be done. Withdraw completely from it. If need arises to build a coalition, for whatever, do it outside of the UN. Temporary coalitions to address a specific problem.
Originally posted by lardmouth Originally posted by J0kerr1 You mean make the UN useful?
Nah, can't be done. Withdraw completely from it. If need arises to build a coalition, for whatever, do it outside of the UN. Temporary coalitions to address a specific problem. And we would be back to pre WW2. Hooray!
Originally posted by lardmouth Originally posted by Phoenixs Isn't that kinda the same? Since USA is one of the major 6 in the UN.
No, it's not even the same thing.
Sure about that? Many of UNs failures are directly caused by the decitions made by the security council, where USA is major player.
Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by lardmouth Originally posted by J0kerr1 You mean make the UN useful?
Nah, can't be done. Withdraw completely from it. If need arises to build a coalition, for whatever, do it outside of the UN. Temporary coalitions to address a specific problem. And we would be back to pre WW2. Hooray!
the united states simply bypassed them. we dont allow our war criminals to be charged by the un, we dont respect international treaties of any kind, especially the ones we create.
just look at the criminal abuses at guantanamo.
europe and the rest of earth are just trying to passify the US, but as hitler showed us, that can be a bad idea =(
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by J0kerr1 Its also no surprise that when losing the Iraq front Liberials tend to go on different attacks, don't stick with the same subject and they won't notice that you are wrong. I fall for the tarp all the time. I have to learn the liberials can't be reasoned with.
Well, then why don't you try reasoning with a Libertarian for a change? Or are you too scared to do it like your two party buddies are during every debate at election time? They know we'd wipe the floor with them.
And this Libertarian doesn't buy your "we're bad, but so are they" argument. I'm all for getting both of you two parties the hell out of Washington. You're both destroying this nation.
Heres the other defence when you have nothing better to say. Everyone is bad.
Wasn't "everyone is bad" actually you're defense? Since your statement was to the extent that "yeah we're bad but they're worse", you are working off the premise your party is just the lesser of two evils.
I think you should go back to the personal attacks, they seem to suit you much better.
I don't consider my party bad. I believe my party is the party representing true American ideals. Jeffersonian ideals. Care to debate civilly or do you give up?
Originally posted by slapme7times the iraq war just proves how powerless the un is. the united states simply bypassed them. we dont allow our war criminals to be charged by the un, we dont respect international treaties of any kind, especially the ones we create. just look at the criminal abuses at guantanamo. europe and the rest of earth are just trying to passify the US, but as hitler showed us, that can be a bad idea =(
you're making us sound like nazi germany. oh wait... haha we're alot like nazi germany.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Rofl, to even try to equate the US to Nazi germany, because we took out a mass murdering regime, who invaded a nation (which is friendly to many) and then had failed over and over to comply with the resulting ceasefire agreement....lol.
Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by J0kerr1 Its also no surprise that when losing the Iraq front Liberials tend to go on different attacks, don't stick with the same subject and they won't notice that you are wrong. I fall for the tarp all the time. I have to learn the liberials can't be reasoned with.
Well, then why don't you try reasoning with a Libertarian for a change? Or are you too scared to do it like your two party buddies are during every debate at election time? They know we'd wipe the floor with them.
And this Libertarian doesn't buy your "we're bad, but so are they" argument. I'm all for getting both of you two parties the hell out of Washington. You're both destroying this nation.
Heres the other defence when you have nothing better to say. Everyone is bad.
Wasn't "everyone is bad" actually you're defense? Since your statement was to the extent that "yeah we're bad but they're worse", you are working off the premise your party is just the lesser of two evils.
I think you should go back to the personal attacks, they seem to suit you much better.
I don't consider my party bad. I believe my party is the party representing true American ideals. Jeffersonian ideals. Care to debate civilly or do you give up?
true american ideals...
what exactly would those be?
death penalty, being used only against black inmates?
40% of prison inmates are black, despite blacks only being 10% of the population?
slavery?
anti womens rights?
anti women's suffrage?
drug wars?
when you say american values, what time period do you mean, what area of the country?
i stand for american values! jeffersonian values! slavehold'n values.
wow.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Originally posted by lardmouth Rofl, to even try to equate the US to Nazi germany, because we took out a mass murdering regime, who invaded a nation (which is friendly to many) and then had failed over and over to comply with the resulting ceasefire agreement....lol.
what country did iraq invade?
wtf you mean the gulf war? we left saddam in power for a reason.
failed to comply with the ceasefire? no they didnt.
you know who the mass murders are? the ones who put the trade embargo on iraq. america anyone?
those sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of CHILDREN.
get an education.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting..
"American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything."
Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday.
Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by lardmouth Rofl, to even try to equate the US to Nazi germany, because we took out a mass murdering regime, who invaded a nation (which is friendly to many) and then had failed over and over to comply with the resulting ceasefire agreement....lol.
what country did iraq invade? Kuwait
wtf you mean the gulf war? we left saddam in power for a reason. Politcs stopped his removal
failed to comply with the ceasefire? no they didnt. They shot at out planes
those sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of CHILDREN. Who pull weapons on our guys
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by J0kerr1 Its also no surprise that when losing the Iraq front Liberials tend to go on different attacks, don't stick with the same subject and they won't notice that you are wrong. I fall for the tarp all the time. I have to learn the liberials can't be reasoned with.
Well, then why don't you try reasoning with a Libertarian for a change? Or are you too scared to do it like your two party buddies are during every debate at election time? They know we'd wipe the floor with them.
And this Libertarian doesn't buy your "we're bad, but so are they" argument. I'm all for getting both of you two parties the hell out of Washington. You're both destroying this nation.
Heres the other defence when you have nothing better to say. Everyone is bad.
Wasn't "everyone is bad" actually you're defense? Since your statement was to the extent that "yeah we're bad but they're worse", you are working off the premise your party is just the lesser of two evils.
I think you should go back to the personal attacks, they seem to suit you much better.
I don't consider my party bad. I believe my party is the party representing true American ideals. Jeffersonian ideals. Care to debate civilly or do you give up?
true american ideals...
what exactly would those be?
death penalty, being used only against black inmates?
40% of prison inmates are black, despite blacks only being 10% of the population?
slavery?
anti womens rights?
anti women's suffrage?
drug wars?
when you say american values, what time period do you mean, what area of the country?
i stand for american values! jeffersonian values! slavehold'n values.
wow.
And I could argue that Jefferson along with his enlightenment ideals are what eventually led to the end of all those bad things you listed.
Are you seriously trying to demonize Jefferson? Historical perspective is our friend. Let's use it. Ever wonder how the societies of the future are going to judge you? Something you do today that is seemingly okay to a future generation could be the most evil thing they've ever heard of.
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
So challenge a Libertarian. You really are stuck in this two party mode, aren't you?
Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
This is what I expected from you. I mentioned a fact. And you, knowing its a fact, ingore that and call me a racist. I have enforeced laws before at a clinic. The majority of its people with outstanding warrants..balcks, Get over it, its a fact. By the way,,,you are reported for harassment.
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
I think you credibility would be alot higher if you wouldn't sound like a right wing radio show in each post
Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
I think you credibility would be alot higher if you wouldn't sound like right wing radio show in each post
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
This is what I expected from you. I mentioned a fact. And you, knowing its a fact, ingore that and call me a racist. I have enforeced laws before at a clinic. The majority of its people with outstanding warrants..balcks, Get over it, its a fact. By the way,,,you are reported for harassment.
if you had expected it, then you would have known that social inequalities, ie poverty create people who steal for food, and thus you would have understood that i obviously believe racist people create racist laws which leads to black disenfrachisement.
since you felt the need to say 'maybe black people commit more crimes' you obviously didnt catch the drift i was sending, that society is racist.
thus you really didnt 'expect' anything, you just feel like an idiot for saying something in the first place and want to justify yourself.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Originally posted by slapme7times i'm not trying to demonize jefferson, i'm saying that we should logically confront our ideologies, rather than hold to them ignorantly.
Ideals are something that you hold with you and that you apply to the situation at hand. At the time of Jefferson, slavery and such were normal. He didn't abuse his slaves as others did. They were like live in maids. He even fell in love with one of them.
Jeffersonian ideals and enlightenment ideals can stand the test of time. But you've got to maintain historical perspective when looking at figures like Jefferson. He was not a bad man. He loved his country and wanted to setup a lasting form of government that would benefit generation after generation. And one that would promote the advancement of the application of knowledge. Knowledge like slavery is wrong and women are as smart as men. He left complete room for those ideas to flourish. And others to come.
Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
I think you credibility would be alot higher if you wouldn't sound like right wing radio show in each post
I did do a radio program once...
"you just want to screw and then kill the results"
oh yea? christians just want to screw and then stone the girl later at an abortion clinic way to follow jesus.
... go read the scarlet letter
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
This is what I expected from you. I mentioned a fact. And you, knowing its a fact, ingore that and call me a racist. I have enforeced laws before at a clinic. The majority of its people with outstanding warrants..balcks, Get over it, its a fact. By the way,,,you are reported for harassment.
if you had expected it, then you would have known that social inequalities, ie poverty create people who steal for food, and thus you would have understood that i obviously believe racist people create racist laws which leads to black disenfrachisement.
since you felt the need to say 'maybe black people commit more crimes' you obviously didnt catch the drift i was sending, that society is racist.
thus you really didnt 'expect' anything, you just feel like an idiot for saying something in the first place and want to justify yourself.
Yes, racist laws, like the exchange of goods and services for money. Yup..so racist..wait, the money is green, thats racist.
Originally posted by slapme7times Originally posted by J0kerr1 Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by J0kerr1 Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting.. "American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything." Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday. Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
I think you credibility would be alot higher if you wouldn't sound like right wing radio show in each post
I did do a radio program once...
"you just want to screw and then kill the results"
oh yea? christians just want to screw and then stone the girl later at an abortion clinic way to follow jesus.
... go read the scarlet letter
What? You are so dumb...attack anyone as long as we can have abortion. Anything for abortion. Yeah, abortion is just birth control.
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And we would be back to pre WW2. Hooray! No, it's not even the same thing.
Sure about that? Many of UNs failures are directly caused by the decitions made by the security council, where USA is major player.
And we would be back to pre WW2. Hooray!
And?
the iraq war just proves how powerless the un is.
the united states simply bypassed them. we dont allow our war criminals to be charged by the un, we dont respect international treaties of any kind, especially the ones we create.
just look at the criminal abuses at guantanamo.
europe and the rest of earth are just trying to passify the US, but as hitler showed us, that can be a bad idea =(
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
And this Libertarian doesn't buy your "we're bad, but so are they" argument. I'm all for getting both of you two parties the hell out of Washington. You're both destroying this nation.
Heres the other defence when you have nothing better to say. Everyone is bad.
Wasn't "everyone is bad" actually you're defense? Since your statement was to the extent that "yeah we're bad but they're worse", you are working off the premise your party is just the lesser of two evils.
I think you should go back to the personal attacks, they seem to suit you much better.
I don't consider my party bad. I believe my party is the party representing true American ideals. Jeffersonian ideals. Care to debate civilly or do you give up?
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
And this Libertarian doesn't buy your "we're bad, but so are they" argument. I'm all for getting both of you two parties the hell out of Washington. You're both destroying this nation.
Heres the other defence when you have nothing better to say. Everyone is bad.
Wasn't "everyone is bad" actually you're defense? Since your statement was to the extent that "yeah we're bad but they're worse", you are working off the premise your party is just the lesser of two evils.
I think you should go back to the personal attacks, they seem to suit you much better.
I don't consider my party bad. I believe my party is the party representing true American ideals. Jeffersonian ideals. Care to debate civilly or do you give up?
true american ideals...
what exactly would those be?
death penalty, being used only against black inmates?
40% of prison inmates are black, despite blacks only being 10% of the population?
slavery?
anti womens rights?
anti women's suffrage?
drug wars?
when you say american values, what time period do you mean, what area of the country?
i stand for american values! jeffersonian values! slavehold'n values.
wow.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
what country did iraq invade?
wtf you mean the gulf war? we left saddam in power for a reason.
failed to comply with the ceasefire? no they didnt.
you know who the mass murders are? the ones who put the trade embargo on iraq. america anyone?
those sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of CHILDREN.
get an education.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Here comes the liberials, I can hear the chanting..
"American BAd...We are evil...Everyone is the good guys...We destroy everything."
Its very clear...Democrats hate their country, They show it everyday.
Oh, and about the blacks being more of a population in jail..heres an idea..maybe they commit more crimes...oh my god. Did I just give a fact..oh god...I said something not political correct but is correct. Women sufferage? You just want to screw and then kill the results. Liberials hate America.
what country did iraq invade? Kuwait
wtf you mean the gulf war? we left saddam in power for a reason. Politcs stopped his removal
failed to comply with the ceasefire? no they didnt. They shot at out planes
those sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of CHILDREN. Who pull weapons on our guys
get an education. you are dumb
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
And this Libertarian doesn't buy your "we're bad, but so are they" argument. I'm all for getting both of you two parties the hell out of Washington. You're both destroying this nation.
Heres the other defence when you have nothing better to say. Everyone is bad.
Wasn't "everyone is bad" actually you're defense? Since your statement was to the extent that "yeah we're bad but they're worse", you are working off the premise your party is just the lesser of two evils.
I think you should go back to the personal attacks, they seem to suit you much better.
I don't consider my party bad. I believe my party is the party representing true American ideals. Jeffersonian ideals. Care to debate civilly or do you give up?
true american ideals...
what exactly would those be?
death penalty, being used only against black inmates?
40% of prison inmates are black, despite blacks only being 10% of the population?
slavery?
anti womens rights?
anti women's suffrage?
drug wars?
when you say american values, what time period do you mean, what area of the country?
i stand for american values! jeffersonian values! slavehold'n values.
wow.
And I could argue that Jefferson along with his enlightenment ideals are what eventually led to the end of all those bad things you listed.
Are you seriously trying to demonize Jefferson? Historical perspective is our friend. Let's use it. Ever wonder how the societies of the future are going to judge you? Something you do today that is seemingly okay to a future generation could be the most evil thing they've ever heard of.
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
This is what I expected from you. I mentioned a fact. And you, knowing its a fact, ingore that and call me a racist. I have enforeced laws before at a clinic. The majority of its people with outstanding warrants..balcks, Get over it, its a fact. By the way,,,you are reported for harassment.
i'm not trying to demonize jefferson, i'm saying that we should logically confront our ideologies, rather than hold to them ignorantly.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
I did do a radio program once...
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
This is what I expected from you. I mentioned a fact. And you, knowing its a fact, ingore that and call me a racist. I have enforeced laws before at a clinic. The majority of its people with outstanding warrants..balcks, Get over it, its a fact. By the way,,,you are reported for harassment.
if you had expected it, then you would have known that social inequalities, ie poverty create people who steal for food, and thus you would have understood that i obviously believe racist people create racist laws which leads to black disenfrachisement.
since you felt the need to say 'maybe black people commit more crimes' you obviously didnt catch the drift i was sending, that society is racist.
thus you really didnt 'expect' anything, you just feel like an idiot for saying something in the first place and want to justify yourself.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Jeffersonian ideals and enlightenment ideals can stand the test of time. But you've got to maintain historical perspective when looking at figures like Jefferson. He was not a bad man. He loved his country and wanted to setup a lasting form of government that would benefit generation after generation. And one that would promote the advancement of the application of knowledge. Knowledge like slavery is wrong and women are as smart as men. He left complete room for those ideas to flourish. And others to come.
I did do a radio program once...
"you just want to screw and then kill the results"
oh yea? christians just want to screw and then stone the girl later at an abortion clinic
way to follow jesus.
... go read the scarlet letter
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
maybe i know that. maybe crime is caused by poverty.
maybe people with no jobs steal to feed their kids.
fuck'n racist
This is what I expected from you. I mentioned a fact. And you, knowing its a fact, ingore that and call me a racist. I have enforeced laws before at a clinic. The majority of its people with outstanding warrants..balcks, Get over it, its a fact. By the way,,,you are reported for harassment.
if you had expected it, then you would have known that social inequalities, ie poverty create people who steal for food, and thus you would have understood that i obviously believe racist people create racist laws which leads to black disenfrachisement.
since you felt the need to say 'maybe black people commit more crimes' you obviously didnt catch the drift i was sending, that society is racist.
thus you really didnt 'expect' anything, you just feel like an idiot for saying something in the first place and want to justify yourself.
Yes, racist laws, like the exchange of goods and services for money. Yup..so racist..wait, the money is green, thats racist.
I did do a radio program once...
"you just want to screw and then kill the results"
oh yea? christians just want to screw and then stone the girl later at an abortion clinic
way to follow jesus.
... go read the scarlet letter
What? You are so dumb...attack anyone as long as we can have abortion. Anything for abortion. Yeah, abortion is just birth control.