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  • Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


    And since God created the earth, he can manipulate it however he wishes, so if someone saying something people didn't know about and it's true, then it must be from God.

    10000 years ago there was a city which was Destroyed by an earth quake, 10000 prior to it's destruction, and nothing left of it but the people who were saved and their prophet, a revelation came down to a new prophet telling him of things happened 10k years ago, when no one knew where on earth is that place.

    2000 years prior to the new revelation, archeologists dig up the ground and find out that the description of the revelation matches exactly with the effects they see.

    so is it realy possible that this man lied? or is it possible that this man knew the future and the past? or is it possible that this man isn't realy a prophet who could prophecy? or is it possible that this man never actually recieve any revelation? of course no it's not possible.

    this man was telling the truth, this man was a real prophet, thus he was sent from God to warn people.

    but sadly you don't use your mind to think of these questions, nature was created by God, so were humans, and he created them stright, born stright, so when a man comes with a revelation, and it's true, and people find out it is, then when he says God hates homosexuals, then he must be telling the truth.

    THEN it is true that homosexuals will be punished by God if they don't repent.

    because a real prophet with real miracles and revelations was sent to people to warn them, but it is those people who reject the truth and fight these prophets will be amongst the losing ones, the ones who will be thrown in hell alongside the homosexuals they so valliantly defend.

    btw the numbers of years above are not real, they are just an example, and don't take my words personally, this is my belief, respect it as i do respect yours please :}

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by ob1sr

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


    And since God created the earth, he can manipulate it however he wishes, so if someone saying something people didn't know about and it's true, then it must be from God.

    10000 years ago there was a city which was Destroyed by an earth quake, 10000 prior to it's destruction, and nothing left of it but the people who were saved and their prophet, a revelation came down to a new prophet telling him of things happened 10k years ago, when no one knew where on earth is that place.

    2000 years prior to the new revelation, archeologists dig up the ground and find out that the description of the revelation matches exactly with the effects they see.

    the thing is, the qor'an doesn't seem to be THAT detailed. it spoke of a volcano burst and an earthquake. thats all.  this is a situation that could be very well possible (I say its possible, not that it happened): Just like the bible, over many years, there are a lot of versions of the Qor'an. the writer of the Qor'an knew about the unfortunate events in the city, made up a story about it in and put it in the Qor'an.

    so is it realy possible that this man lied? or is it possible that this man knew the future and the past? or is it possible that this man isn't realy a prophet who could prophecy? or is it possible that this man never actually recieve any revelation? of course no it's not possible.

    this man was telling the truth, this man was a real prophet, thus he was sent from God to warn people.

    but sadly you don't use your mind to think of these questions, nature was created by God, so were humans, and he created them stright, born stright, so when a man comes with a revelation, and it's true, and people find out it is, then when he says God hates homosexuals, then he must be telling the truth.

    Again, How do you know there is a god and that god created humans?  Remember, the bible and the Qor'an are made by mankind.  in fact, the Bible isn't made by one person. its made by multiple people.

    THEN it is true that homosexuals will be punished by God if they don't repent.

    Again, if homosexuality is a sin, why is it there in the first place? Homosexuality is NOT a choice.

    because a real prophet with real miracles and revelations was sent to people to warn them, but it is those people who reject the truth and fight these prophets will be amongst the losing ones, the ones who will be thrown in hell alongside the homosexuals they so valliantly defend.

    btw the numbers of years above are not real, they are just an example, and don't take my words personally, this is my belief, respect it as i do respect yours please :}



  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909


    Originally posted by ob1sr

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


    And since God created the earth, he can manipulate it however he wishes, so if someone saying something people didn't know about and it's true, then it must be from God.

    10000 years ago there was a city which was Destroyed by an earth quake, 10000 prior to it's destruction, and nothing left of it but the people who were saved and their prophet, a revelation came down to a new prophet telling him of things happened 10k years ago, when no one knew where on earth is that place.

    2000 years prior to the new revelation, archeologists dig up the ground and find out that the description of the revelation matches exactly with the effects they see.

    so is it realy possible that this man lied? or is it possible that this man knew the future and the past? or is it possible that this man isn't realy a prophet who could prophecy? or is it possible that this man never actually recieve any revelation? of course no it's not possible.

    this man was telling the truth, this man was a real prophet, thus he was sent from God to warn people.

    but sadly you don't use your mind to think of these questions, nature was created by God, so were humans, and he created them stright, born stright, so when a man comes with a revelation, and it's true, and people find out it is, then when he says God hates homosexuals, then he must be telling the truth.

    THEN it is true that homosexuals will be punished by God if they don't repent.

    because a real prophet with real miracles and revelations was sent to people to warn them, but it is those people who reject the truth and fight these prophets will be amongst the losing ones, the ones who will be thrown in hell alongside the homosexuals they so valliantly defend.

    btw the numbers of years above are not real, they are just an example, and don't take my words personally, this is my belief, respect it as i do respect yours please :}


    You throw in those kind of statement, and then ask for respect, when you show none.... you dont say "in my opinion it is true....". No, you say "then it is true..." this is like saying that you can prove it with facts but you cant, it is your opinion and your belief, it doesnt mean it´s the truth, so please be careful with the words you use... you opinion dont hurt ppl's feeling, your saying that it is the actual truth does!!!
  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048


    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Again, if homosexuality is a sin, why is it there in the first place?

    Wow...that's logic 101. What is that, like saying, "If murder is a sin, why does it happen?"

    Yah, great deduction.

    Homosexuality is NOT a choice.

    That's never been proven.



    "Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by Aldaron

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Again, if homosexuality is a sin, why is it there in the first place?
    Wow...that's logic 101. What is that, like saying, "If murder is a sin, why does it happen?"
    Yah, great deduction.
    the only diffrence here is that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone.

    Homosexuality is NOT a choice.
    That's never been proven.
    Oh, so you think a homosexual was sitting in his garden, thinking : "Hm, I think I'm going to be homosexual today" and FYI, it HAS been proven.






  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909


    Originally posted by Aldaron

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Again, if homosexuality is a sin, why is it there in the first place?
    Wow...that's logic 101. What is that, like saying, "If murder is a sin, why does it happen?"
    Yah, great deduction.
    Homosexuality is NOT a choice.
    That's never been proven.


    I love the way religious ppl relay on proof for some of the stuff they want and dont need proof for others, well here is the last studies, they dont prove homosexuality is biological only, they needs more studies and testing and there is always exceptions in every human features, but studies are showing there is evidence for a STRONG biological influence in the sexual orientation of individuals.

    Here is some articles talking about it : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm 

                                      http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-05-09-homosexual-brains_x.htm

                                                        http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_4057177

    and individuals have little control over their biology, try to control you pheromones or your hypothalamus, that's impossible...

  • dimi77dimi77 Member Posts: 50

    I'm bi and i'm against gay marriages.

    I still have the opinion that only a man and a woman can marry. Because that is still, and always will be, in the way nature works. You need a man and a woman to hve children.

    All though i'm against the marriage between the same sexes i'm pro for contracts. Because when you live together for a long time you have to be able to take care for each other.

    Why marry? Is it really that importnt. You don't need to be married to let the world know that you love each other.

  • cloudoffirecloudoffire Member Posts: 271


    Originally posted by ob1sr

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


    And since God created the earth, he can manipulate it however he wishes, so if someone saying something people didn't know about and it's true, then it must be from God.

    10000 years ago there was a city which was Destroyed by an earth quake, 10000 prior to it's destruction, and nothing left of it but the people who were saved and their prophet, a revelation came down to a new prophet telling him of things happened 10k years ago, when no one knew where on earth is that place.

    2000 years prior to the new revelation, archeologists dig up the ground and find out that the description of the revelation matches exactly with the effects they see.

    so is it realy possible that this man lied? or is it possible that this man knew the future and the past? or is it possible that this man isn't realy a prophet who could prophecy? or is it possible that this man never actually recieve any revelation? of course no it's not possible.

    this man was telling the truth, this man was a real prophet, thus he was sent from God to warn people.

    but sadly you don't use your mind to think of these questions, nature was created by God, so were humans, and he created them stright, born stright, so when a man comes with a revelation, and it's true, and people find out it is, then when he says God hates homosexuals, then he must be telling the truth.

    THEN it is true that homosexuals will be punished by God if they don't repent.

    because a real prophet with real miracles and revelations was sent to people to warn them, but it is those people who reject the truth and fight these prophets will be amongst the losing ones, the ones who will be thrown in hell alongside the homosexuals they so valliantly defend.

    btw the numbers of years above are not real, they are just an example, and don't take my words personally, this is my belief, respect it as i do respect yours please :}


    The biggest problem with you, OneMuslim, is that you make it so that it is 100% fact that the Qur'an is really the holly text of God and that there is no dispute of God.  There is no proof of a Diety.  There is no proof of prophecy.

    These citys were destroyed by volcanos and earthquakes.  Does that mean every Volcano and earthquake where caused by god? If so What was the Sin of Pompeii? How about the people of southern Asia in 2004?  Science shows and proves that Volcanos are vents of magma pools that eruppt when the pressure is great enough.  Earthquakes are commonly formed from the movment of Tectonic plates.

    If homosexuality was proven to be biological it would really shake the religons of the world proving that it is not a sin.

    -Cloudoffire-

  • MylonMylon Member Posts: 975


    Originally posted by dimi77

    I'm bi and i'm against gay marriages.
    I still have the opinion that only a man and a woman can marry. Because that is still, and always will be, in the way nature works. You need a man and a woman to hve children.
    All though i'm against the marriage between the same sexes i'm pro for contracts. Because when you live together for a long time you have to be able to take care for each other.
    Why marry? Is it really that importnt. You don't need to be married to let the world know that you love each other.



    Married couples get tax breaks, in some cases.  Also, it very easily settles cases of property when a will isn't present.  Plus there are many other benefits.  Not least of which is making a relationship ultimately official, at which point both sides can trust the other not to bring any diseases into the relationship while they enjoy each other.  Kids just seem to happen.

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  • BlaenerBlaener Member Posts: 7
    why does it even matter if homo sexuals and lesbians are around... and yes its a coice.. but some belive ppl are born with it.... homo sexuals kinda scare me and lesbians (=D i likey to an exstent) are nice and fun to hang out with.....
    I AM NOT GAY!!


  • BlaenerBlaener Member Posts: 7
    OOPs accedent double post....



  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by Blaener
    why does it even matter if homo sexuals and lesbians are around... and yes its a coice.. but some belive ppl are born with it.... homo sexuals kinda scare me and lesbians (=D i likey to an exstent) are nice and fun to hang out with.....
    I AM NOT GAY!!




    No, its not a choice. get your facts right if your going to post.
  • britocabritoca Member Posts: 1,484
    u forgot to add "I am against all marriage" option

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  • iRekiiReki Member Posts: 106


    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.

  • iRekiiReki Member Posts: 106
    double posting my bad ^_^
  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909


    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    you dont need proof like those, to prove that some stuff in the bible are true lol, the bible is like, in my opinion, an history book enhanced for cinema screening, example: so, those cities were burned down by acid rain (for example), let's cinema enhance it "God burned them into oblivion sending fire from the sky"....

    The bible is a good history book, if you take the fiction parts out (in my opinion of course, you believe in what you want  ).

  • gnomexxxgnomexxx Member Posts: 2,920


    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    They found proof that God burned down a city?  What chemicals?  I want details.

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  • iRekiiReki Member Posts: 106


    Originally posted by gnomexxx

    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    They found proof that God burned down a city?  What chemicals?  I want details.


       No details man sorry, i heard this a couple years back but now they found the lost writings of Judas and the

    findings for the house of David is pretty recent, look for the info yourself i have sht internet in Indonesia and i'll

    come back august 3rd to canada!

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    your wrong again. they found that the city was indeed burned down by lava and earthquake. and thats what the bible says, that it burned down by fire from the sky and an earth quake. did you also know that there was a volcano close by, and that the city was build on very unstable ground?
  • iRekiiReki Member Posts: 106


    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    your wrong again. they found that the city was indeed burned down by lava and earthquake. and thats what the bible says, that it burned down by fire from the sky and an earth quake. did you also know that there was a volcano close by, and that the city was build on very unstable ground?


      theres a lot of cities that he had burned down, well 2 that i know soddom and gomorrath. Which one are

    you refering to? Its also not just the cities that can be the evidence that the bible has its historical parts to it

    that are actually true!

  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909


    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    Still you are the one who wanted to prove that God exists by showing that cities where destroyed when God never destroyed them but earthquakes and volcanos did.... You cannot prove God exists on the bases that some stuff in the bible are true.... one more Chewbacca defense user...

    But like someone else already said " you cannot argue about religion with reason, since faith is irrational, it's believing in something without any proof/fact pointing in its way"...

  • iRekiiReki Member Posts: 106


    Originally posted by naldric

    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    Still you are the one who wanted to prove that God exists by showing that cities where destroyed when God never destroyed them but earthquakes and volcanos did.... You cannot prove God exists on the bases that some stuff in the bible are true.... one more Chewbacca defense user...

    But like someone else already said " you cannot argue about religion with reason, since faith is irrational, it's believing in something without any proof/fact pointing in its way"...


       agreed, you can never stop arguing about your religeon. Peopple may even fight because the guy next to

    him has a diffrent religeon. IRL this is happening! especially in Indonesia and i guess Israel.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by iReki

    Originally posted by Gameloading
    I watched the movie about these so called cities destroyed by god. the video proves us the city is destoryed by a volcano and earthquake. do I need to say more? the qor'an says its the work of god, while there is a complete logical explenation for the destruction of the city. let me state I do not say there is a god, but I don't deny there is one either. I am saying that there is no proof a god exists.


      actually, they had found proof of one city that was "burned down by God" and they found that the earth

    there still had chemicals of whats suppose to be what rained down and burned down the city. They also found

    evindence of ancient antiques thats marks "the house of david" which is a bid evindence that was found to

    back up the bible.


    your wrong again. they found that the city was indeed burned down by lava and earthquake. and thats what the bible says, that it burned down by fire from the sky and an earth quake. did you also know that there was a volcano close by, and that the city was build on very unstable ground?


      theres a lot of cities that he had burned down, well 2 that i know soddom and gomorrath. Which one are

    you refering to? Its also not just the cities that can be the evidence that the bible has its historical parts to it

    that are actually true!


    I am talking about the People of Lut, Its known in the Bible as Sodom. also, there is no evidence found for a lot of things discribed in the bible. I am not saying everything in the Bible is a lie, I do believe the historical parts are true. but I don't believe in any mircales.
  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    http://home.att.net/~nathan.wilson/sodom.htm

    http://www.probe.org/content/view/31/77/



    that's all i'm saying about historical proof, i.e. for the Bible.  too bored to look up more references.  but a lot of people laughed about an apocalypse destroying the world with a big boom of fire... until they created "the bomb" in WW2...


    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • ConverseSCConverseSC Member Posts: 572
    I look at it like this.

    If YOU'RE right, then we both die and our lives end.

    If I'M right, I go to heaven, and you live an eternity of despair.

    Either way I win.


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