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Even after the BS with NGE.... SWG is still here....(( despite
all the haters out there who would rather see it die))).... And I don't think
it will go away for some time.
Too much money was invested in it from both side.... you'll see it go the way
of Shadowbane (free to play) before anything else.
I'm a 3 year vet... never wanted or liked the changes that NGE brought, (my Jedi
is worthless now)... but I don't mind it either, hence you won't see me whine
and call for blood... the only thing I truly miss is the 32 professions system.
Change sucks for anything in this world.... but for games,
NGE was and is a serial killer that systematically f**ked up a good thing to
please the X-box/PS players.
Getting back to your point, I think with any game you will
see a drop when something new is on the market.
But the player will always come back to something they
enjoy.
Even SWG sees old vets pop back on from time to time. My
guild alone seen 5 players come back and stay.
So to say that SWG will be dead in a year just because of
new games I think is just wishful thinking then fact.
If I have to play another orc or elf, I'll /wrists. Why oh why can't a decent sci-fi game release on the market. I'm mostly looking forward to: Huxley, Tabula Rasa, and STO.
Having said the above, I am interested in WAR. The mechanics and ideas look similar to SWG. If anything it'll be interesting to see if EA can handle the project.
Back on topic ...
No, I don't think any game in the future will 'kill' SWG. You could argue that SWG took a lethal blow when WoW released. Not only did WoW siphon off players, but caused SOE/LA to make decisions leading to the NGE. That was 1.5 years ago (correct me if I'm wrong). My guess is if SOE/LA is willing to still maintain SWG, they'll do so for the foreseeable future.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
SWG has already miraculously survived both the CU and the NGE. It's been declared dead more times than Smed has been declared fired (and both have thus far unfortunately been wrong).
SWG survives, such as it does, because it's Star Wars and because of the Station Pass concept $OE introduced. Few other IPs can touch it for sheer fan base.
STO won't kill SWG because most of the older (28+) fans who like both ST and SW have already left (not all, just most). The exodus from SWG to STO would be minimal.
The other games previously mentioned are impressive for many reasons. But ultimately, they're just not Star Wars-themed. None of these games will be the death of SWG. The only things that can kill SWG are LEC and/or $OE (remarkably even the mass player base exodus has been unable to accomplish this).
I wish it were otherwise. I wish SWG would die, $OE would lose the license, Smed would get tossed out on his rump with a pink slip in hand, and just about anyone else would begin developing the next SW-themed MMO. But at this point in time, it ain't so.
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
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Does this really need an explanation on why such a game cannot ever be made and made accesible to US audience?
A western MMO will never exist. Period.
It may not ever make it out but check out frontier1859.com. The idea for one exist at least and sounds rather nice.
As for the original post, I was excited about Vanguard...then SOE got it's grubby little paws in the mix. It's suppose to be "server provider only" deal but do I trust this? The Vanguard FAQ was updated not long after the combination took place and a lot of the added stuff was directed at people's concerns about SWG/SOE even if they did not say that specifically such as (paraphrased) "other people have made drastic changes to their game, will you do the same?".
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
ROFLMAO!!!! It doesn't even have 50k, please... At 50k, that's about 2000 subs per server, and at the industry average of 30% on at peak hours, that means that there should be 600 players on... Fat Chance... that alone blows your Fanboi numbers out of the water, there aren't even 200 on at peak times...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
relying on class C intel from the one site that is willing to state a sub number for a game is not a great way to based your point on.
mind you I am sure that SoE would continue to run swg till the cow come home with just 20k paying sub to have the Star Wars name on the station pass.
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
ROFLMAO!!!! It doesn't even have 50k, please... At 50k, that's about 2000 subs per server, and at the industry average of 30% on at peak hours, that means that there should be 600 players on... Fat Chance... that alone blows your Fanboi numbers out of the water, there aren't even 200 on at peak times...
Heh, here we go again...what makes your number(s) truer then anyone elses? I'm more likely to believe someone who's done research on the topic (mmorpgchart.com) then someone who looked at their server one night (which is why I don't propose my own numbers).
You don't need to be playing support the game, you just need to be paying.
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
ROFLMAO!!!! It doesn't even have 50k, please... At 50k, that's about 2000 subs per server, and at the industry average of 30% on at peak hours, that means that there should be 600 players on... Fat Chance... that alone blows your Fanboi numbers out of the water, there aren't even 200 on at peak times...
Heh, here we go again...what makes your number(s) truer then anyone elses? I'm more likely to believe someone who's done research on the topic (mmorpgchart.com) then someone who looked at their server one night (which is why I don't propose my own numbers).
You don't need to be playing support the game, you just need to be paying.
Because mine are based on in-game reality and industry averages based on who are playing... his are "estimations" with no real base (read his disclaimer)...
If you think that durring peak times you see more than 200 players on, prove it by taling screenies... take screenies of 80 different players even... based on 200 players X 25 Servers, that makes 5k players total online during peak hours... IF (and it's probably a LOT less) the total Sub number is 50k, that would mean only 10% of players are playing durring peak hours. Considering the Industry Average is 30% of total players will play durring peak hours, it's a VERY safe bet that there're aren't even 50k subscribers... at 300 players on at peak times you're still only at 7.5%...
It's safe to say there aren't any more than 50k subs...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Industry average is just that, an average. There will alway be extreme cases at both ends. How can you tell that there are not a whole lot of people subbed and just not playing?
To do it your way in todays SWG, you would need to go to every single quest area over a number of different planets. The population is too spread out to be able to do it properly.
Industry average is just that, an average. There will alway be extreme cases at both ends. How can you tell that there are not a whole lot of people subbed and just not playing?
To do it your way in todays SWG, you would need to go to every single quest area over a number of different planets. The population is too spread out to be able to do it properly.
The problem with SWG:NGE is that is all there is: extermes -- the majority finding the NGE worthless. That means SWG won't last too much longer.
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
ROFLMAO!!!! It doesn't even have 50k, please... At 50k, that's about 2000 subs per server, and at the industry average of 30% on at peak hours, that means that there should be 600 players on... Fat Chance... that alone blows your Fanboi numbers out of the water, there aren't even 200 on at peak times...
Bla bla. Eve online has 130k subscribers with an average of 20k people on at peak hours. Swg has 26 servers, which means there is an average of 700 people on peak hours and people that still play the game will know that this number is true. More then 700 on the most popular servers like bria where its maybe 25-30% more players during peak hours.
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I am the flipside of the coin on which the troll and the fanboy are but one side.
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
ROFLMAO!!!! It doesn't even have 50k, please... At 50k, that's about 2000 subs per server, and at the industry average of 30% on at peak hours, that means that there should be 600 players on... Fat Chance... that alone blows your Fanboi numbers out of the water, there aren't even 200 on at peak times...
Bla bla. Eve online has 130k subscribers with an average of 20k people on at peak hours. Swg has 26 servers, which means there is an average of 700 people on peak hours and people that still play the game will know that this number is true. More then 700 on the most popular servers like bria where its maybe 25-30% more players during peak hours.
Bla bla, I am a fanboix. Anyone that thinks different than me is wrong and any bit of success of other games is just an illusion. I can't stand it when people complain about SWG no matter how much trash. I won't say anything intelligent about SWG, but I will reject any legitimate claims that SWG stinks when compared to other games. After all, I am a fanbois incarnate.
And you are deluding yourself if you think a mmorpg with over 130k subscribers will be shut down in a year.
ROFLMAO!!!! It doesn't even have 50k, please... At 50k, that's about 2000 subs per server, and at the industry average of 30% on at peak hours, that means that there should be 600 players on... Fat Chance... that alone blows your Fanboi numbers out of the water, there aren't even 200 on at peak times...
Bla bla. Eve online has 130k subscribers with an average of 20k people on at peak hours. Swg has 26 servers, which means there is an average of 700 people on peak hours and people that still play the game will know that this number is true. More then 700 on the most popular servers like bria where its maybe 25-30% more players during peak hours.
Bla bla, I am a fanboix. Anyone that thinks different than me is wrong and any bit of success of other games is just an illusion. I can't stand it when people complain about SWG no matter how much trash. I won't say anything intelligent about SWG, but I will reject any legitimate claims that SWG stinks when compared to other games. After all, I am a fanbois incarnate.
That can be reversed too
Bla bla. Eve online has 130k subscribers with an average of 20k people on at peak hours. Swg has 26 servers, which means there is an average of 700 people on peak hours and people that still play the game will know that this number is true. More then 700 on the most popular servers like bria where its maybe 25-30% more players during peak hours.
Bla bla, I am a fanboix. Anyone that thinks different than me is wrong and any bit of success of other games is just an illusion. I can't stand it when people complain about SWG no matter how much trash. I won't say anything intelligent about SWG, but I will reject any legitimate claims that SWG stinks when compared to other games. After all, I am a fanbois incarnate.
That can be reversed too
Are you claiming to be a Mechanic (reference to a Charles Bronson/Jan Micheal-Vicent movie)?
I think SWG probably saw another big drop from the Restuss debacle. It probably will see another big drop over disappointment with the "skill trees" which are really nothing of the kind.
My personal guestimate is that SWG is currently around 100K total subs or so, with only 50-60K of them actual active paying players, the rest being station pass accounts that no longer play SWG but still count, trial players that you never see because they are on the station, and unexpired pre paid accounts that are no longer played.
You will soon see the number drastically fall even more as we get through the summer and those pre paid accounts expire. Not to mention, the station pass number should start shrinking some now that they raised the price by $5, people who had it to play EQ2 and SWG both who no longer play SWG will get rid of the pass and save $10/month.
ROFLMFAO!!!! Whew....
OK, tell ya what Troll Boy, post those numbers on the official Forums.... LOL!!!!
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Which puts subscribers at 50k without all the additions.... IF the low end is more accurate. It does fall in line with the sniffing.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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