Originally posted by Bitey Balls on your court. Explain how this process of not seeing the article and at the same time find copyright issues with it works. What made these articles copyright infringment, some examples.
Jesus christ, shut the fuck up already... You are really annoying. I don't care much about this game, but that developer dude gave you all the info he wanted to give. If it's not enough, suck it up and go do something with your life...
It's ok to ask a few times, but this is becoming a spam, which i will report next time i see you bring that same issue.
Get a grip and move on.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
Originally posted by Bitey Balls on your court. Explain how this process of not seeing the article and at the same time find copyright issues with it works. What made these articles copyright infringment, some examples.
Bitey, get a life you trolling vagrant. He posted this to discuss an ad, not to listen to you whine. The simple fact is he said if you want to read the article, ask the writer of the article. If you yourself have not seen the offending material, then stop being so persistent about it. Write the author, ask for an e-mailed copy, or a post, and get on with your life. You have spammed what, 10 posts now, about the same thing? I am about ready to report you for spam.
He said they had copyrighted images, he said he asked them to take them down. Maybe the author of the site is a pubescent little child (or old man with no life) that just likes to flame people? Whatever the case, I don't care. He answered you, and now you just sound like a whiney little child screaming "are we there yet?".
Best of luck with the game, the previous progress (before your buyout) looked promising, but the devs ultimately dug their own grave. I hope you can bring it 6 feet up from the grave, and possibly higher, to a good standing game. I know you have a lot of resistance to fight against, and your effort to still fight the battle, is a valiant one at that.
I have been reading this post, intresting to say the least. I would like to explain that I have all of these articles (copied them from Krel's Libary before taken down), and I can promise the rest of you that there is absoulte nothing in these articles that has pictures of the game, anything about the game's mechinances. There is one picture of an old website, blogs, a good essay and myspace profiles. Pajari, as Bitey rightly points out, told everyone this was a suit for libel and slander, and not a case of copyright error.
Anyway, I hear mr. loudant hasn't seen these articles, has no problem with them and wants them posted. I would more then happy to post these rather scathing account of this "new" game, with your express permission of course. If you dont want them posted, I will not.
The rest of you flaming bitey have no experience with the history of this game or any experience with these articles. I would advise you to stop talking along with bitey.
Libel is even easier to defend than copyright infringement. In the United States, the proof of libel rests solely on the shoulders of the acuser. So Kre's Library really had nothing to worry about unless they were afraid that they had, in fact, libeled the new owners of the game.
I looked at the website where the articles had been. These guys have a hard-on for bashing this game. They were removed from Wikipedia (a 3rd party) because they had been deemed an "attack site." I, personally, give little weight to any source which seems to be unable to give an objective review when they (seemingly) have an inside source.
Also, I don't know who Pajari is, but he is obviously not a lawyer. Libel is any untrue public statement IN PRINT which has the intention of harming the character of the target. Slander is any untrue public VERBAL statement which has the intention of harming the character of the target. Both are really hard to prove because you first have to prove that the acuser has the intention of harming the acused then you have to prove that the statement is true.
If Pajari did say that the lawsuits dealt with libel and slander, he was most likely full of shit because this is a web page and 4 web articles. That might be libel, but there is no way it would be slander.
DerfelCadarn, I have respect for your opinion because you have been a member at MMORPG.com for 2 years, you have almost 1000 posts, and I have never seen you weigh in on one of the 1000s of flamefests we have every day. That being said, I doubt any article published by Kre's Library would persuade me one way or another because after I read the home page of that website, I could tell it was ran by an asshole. If you have a copy of those 4 articles, and if you are not one of the people approached by Loundantsoftware's legal dept then you have every right to post the article without any fear of legal recourse. You don't need to ask anyone for permission. They were written and published on a public venue and, as long as you cite your source, you may reproduce them legally.
Bitey still needs to STFU and if you aren't going to post them then you really shouldn't threaten with it. That's just poor form.
It seems that Krels Library and its followers just want to game to fail for whatever reason. Why dont you just say you want to game to fail instead of trying to wrongly attack the credibility of me and the development team ? Do you understand we had nothing to do with the old development team, and we are simply trying to repair damage done at a risk free cost to the player?
The games has a tarnished record there is no question about that; I will be the first to admit that the history of the game is horrid.
Bottom line is that we are finishing this game. If you play it and think it is awfull, then you dont have to pay a thing. If you think it was a good time, we would love to have you on board. We would be proud that we were able to pull it off and got old members recourse for the past disaster.
DerferlCadaen/Bitey - If you want, I will even put you and the members of Krel library in the next testing phase and in every testing phase from that point forward. Then you guys will have real information to judge the progression of the game on. What you think?
Colton
Originally posted by DerfelCadarn Hi Mr. LoudAntSoftware,
I have been reading this post, intresting to say the least. I would like to explain that I have all of these articles (copied them from Krel's Libary before taken down), and I can promise the rest of you that there is absoulte nothing in these articles that has pictures of the game, anything about the game's mechinances. There is one picture of an old website, blogs, a good essay and myspace profiles. Pajari, as Bitey rightly points out, told everyone this was a suit for libel and slander, and not a case of copyright error.
Anyway, I hear mr. loudant hasn't seen these articles, has no problem with them and wants them posted. I would more then happy to post these rather scathing account of this "new" game, with your express permission of course. If you dont want them posted, I will not.
The rest of you flaming bitey have no experience with the history of this game or any experience with these articles. I would advise you to stop talking along with bitey.
Actually from what I've read in this thread, the onus is now on Bitey/Krel to prove their side of the story too.
They can say Krel was threatened for Libel, but that doesn't prove it's true.
My suggestion is someone who has the articles should email them to Mr. Colton asking which parts would be against copyright. I'm sure Mr. Colton would be happy to prove to us his good faith in allowing the articles to be posted without any copyrighted material in them. Now on the other hand if Mr. Colton says you can't post any of those articles whatsoever or legal action, etc. then the person who recieves that could simply copy the response here.
This way, one of two things will happen. Either the articles (albeit slightly edited) will go back up, and Mr. Colton will be shown to be a good character and earn all our respect. (Note that we know these articles say bad things about the game, but Mr. Colton has already said that it's alright to post that type of info, so that stuff should still be present). Or, we will get a transcript of an email where Mr. Colton says that the articles cannot be posted, and it will show him to be of bad character for playing shadow-games with legalese and such.
Either way, we'll be able to find out the truth of the matter, and get a good indicator of whether they are truly trying to take the game in a better direction.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Originally posted by BuZZKilgore You are going to have to release one hell of a game to get people to forget the past. I'm sorry but I really don't see that happening...but good luck.
I have no idea what articles he has but if he thinks there is some illegal nature to them he should email them to me. At that point, I will look through them and even if it is a ton of lies (which they are famous for) I will still post it uncensored with my rebuttals to each point. I think that is fair. This way the group here can come to their own conclusion but with both sides of the story at the same time.
Originally posted by Blurr Actually from what I've read in this thread, the onus is now on Bitey/Krel to prove their side of the story too. They can say Krel was threatened for Libel, but that doesn't prove it's true. My suggestion is someone who has the articles should email them to Mr. Colton asking which parts would be against copyright. I'm sure Mr. Colton would be happy to prove to us his good faith in allowing the articles to be posted without any copyrighted material in them. Now on the other hand if Mr. Colton says you can't post any of those articles whatsoever or legal action, etc. then the person who recieves that could simply copy the response here. This way, one of two things will happen. Either the articles (albeit slightly edited) will go back up, and Mr. Colton will be shown to be a good character and earn all our respect. (Note that we know these articles say bad things about the game, but Mr. Colton has already said that it's alright to post that type of info, so that stuff should still be present). Or, we will get a transcript of an email where Mr. Colton says that the articles cannot be posted, and it will show him to be of bad character for playing shadow-games with legalese and such. Either way, we'll be able to find out the truth of the matter, and get a good indicator of whether they are truly trying to take the game in a better direction.
Ok as someone who was around for the entire saga of Mourning, Age of Mourning, or whatever else it turned into, including its final metamorphisis into a porn site. I have to say that if the reaction to this thread by both Colton and those who are RIGHTLY skeptical of his claims is anything to go by, then this is just the next chapter in a very sorry tale of woe entitled "Flogging a Dead Horse, the story of how NOT to develop an MMO"
Bitey, Derfel, myself and several other LONG term members of these forums saw this thing from start to what we thought was a finish.
We have seen every wild and whacky claim about this game amount to nothing more than we ever predicted it would amount to and this is sweet zip all. The fact that no one is still able to show us anything remotely resembling a game and never was, just means nothing has changed from day one.
If you call the sorry, one dimensional shambles that ran for a few weeks and ripped off a few hundred people a game, then send me your credit card details because you would clearly believe anything your told.
To those who want to launch into Bitey and Derfl like they are somehow trolling, I can tell from your inception dates (blurr excluded) that you just dont know the history, so have a care. We have invested a lot of finger work in keeping this so called game honest and to see it being resurected at this late stage just seems like another suss development in a long line of suss developments.
Lets not forget that it holds the dubious distinction of being the only MMO that was completely stricken from MMORPG.com's records due to the behaviour of the developers and mods in relation to thier dealings with MMORPG.com and thier customers.
To Colton and Loud Ant. If you had any business savvy, you would have quietly bought the engine and renamed every single thing in it, lest anyone EVER find out that your prospective product had anything to do with Mourning. Coming to these forums and announcing your association with this terrible saga has to be the worst marketting move I have seen since John Romero called his customer base "bitches". JR now enjoys his very own blog site, somewhere in Eastern Europe and will probably never been seen in the games industry again save for mentions on forums like these about what a clown he was.
Best of luck with your endeavours.... with a start like this....you will certianly need it.
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I didn't read all the stupid whinny crap in this thread...this forum seems to have far too much of it. I dont know why people are making such a big deal over it anyway, I think some people here are just looking to pick a fight. ( I don't mean about mourning )
Anyhow thx for coming here to make the post and clear up a few of the issues people have been talking about. Good luck with your game guys, and I hope it works out for you. I don't know enough about it to say if I'd buy it or not but I don't think anyone can really lose with what you're offering.
We have an ongoing thread on our guild forums about staying away from you're game. I link this and they can atleast decide for themselves if they want to try it or not.
It would be against my good conscience to release these documents to LoudAnt to edit without the author's permission. I am sure that Lond Ant has seen them already though. Pajari should be around to look at this tomorrow.
This is not the point however. I am not part of any group, and have no connections with Krel's Libary. I have written many articles on mourning in the past (1,000+ post response, 56,000 views) , and in history's light, have been proven correct about mourning and it's third-world developers. After all the great PvP we were promised, they were all lies and misturths. It gets old after awhile. Hopeful you understand me being skeptical about mourning afterall- changing it's name 3-4 times, switcing it's website to a porn site and then switching of developers. Dave has tried this before. After all, zaxtor was charged over 500 dollars by those folks.
Like Razor said, you would have been better off moving totally away from the mourning title. Mabye a new game based on the old engine. I don't like the idea of Dave making money selling this game anyway.
I am unsure of the new develpers at this point, and I will wait to make a full judgement. LondAnt seems to have a slightly more open with questions, but this article and the whole legal process over articles never viewed seems strange. The secert publisher thing is also troubling. Anyway, I might test your game, but I want to write a full and objective review of the game. At this point, I am too afriad that livecamsluts.com will be part of the download.
Originally posted by kishe trying to have sensible discussion in mmorpg.com is like trying to go to middle-east for inspiration for mohammed cartoons.
Well you know me Kishe........ You know Im not prone to kneejerk reactions...
Its clear even Colton was not fully aware of the history of this game or he surely wouldnt have come and announced an association with it, in the full knowledge it would be a bad move.
If we ignore history we are condemmed to repeat it. This whole thread is a case in point.
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You are more then welcome to come into testing and write whatever you think is fair. Look, we know this game is going to be a complete failure unless it is great. This is why we are not charging anything upfront. So, either we make a great title or it fails; there will be no delay in this once it is released. I just think it would be fair to us for all the Krel Library guys to take me up on my offer to be in the tests before comparing my team to the old one.
If you want to continue to bash it when we are trying to do everything we can to fix the old problems, that is your choice. It would be nice, however, if you saw the game as it progressed and then bashed it if you thought it was deserved.
You can even go to the site now and see new models, animations and updates. Our skill level as a team is much higher then that of the Romanian one. I know you cant judge this by models and animations alone, but you can see the skill level in this one area is much better then the old team.
Colton
Originally posted by DerfelCadarn
It would be against my good conscience to release these documents to LoudAnt to edit without the author's permission. I am sure that Lond Ant has seen them already though. Pajari should be around to look at this tomorrow.
This is not the point however. I am not part of any group, and have no connections with Krel's Libary. I have written many articles on mourning in the past (1,000+ post response, 56,000 views) , and in history's light, have been proven correct about mourning and it's third-world developers. After all the great PvP we were promised, they were all lies and misturths. It gets old after awhile. Hopeful you understand me being skeptical about mourning and it's changing it's name 3-4 times, switcing it's website to a porn site and then switching of developers. Dave has tried this before. After all, zaxtor was charged over 500 dollars by those folks.
Like Razor said, you would have been better off moving totally away from the mourning title. Mabye a new game based on the old engine. I don't like the idea of Dave making money selling this game anyway.
I am unsure of the new develpers at this point, and I will wait to make a full judgement. LondAnt seems to have a slightly more open with questions, but this article and the whole legal process over articles never viewed seems strange. The secert publisher thing is also troubling. Anyway, I might test your game, but I want to write a full and objective review of the game.
Originally posted by Razorback Originally posted by kishe trying to have sensible discussion in mmorpg.com is like trying to go to middle-east for inspiration for mohammed cartoons.
Well you know me Kishe........ You know Im not prone to kneejerk reactions...
Its clear even Colton was not fully aware of the history of this game or he surely wouldnt have come and announced an association with it, in the full knowledge it would be a bad move.
If we ignore history we are condemmed to repeat it. This whole thread is a case in point.
i personally are interested to see how loud ant software does and are willing to give them freedom of doubt. The fact he has come here and answered questions as he has been able to without flaming the admins of the site and calling mothers of their fans with names takes him far above what old developers was.
Even tough I got my fingers burnt with believing the "honesty" of Irth Online devs that is.
Im prepared to go a little further and say Ill take any cash @ 5:1 that nothing comes of this in terms of a game. But that something may come of it in terms of more people losing thier money.
So instead of investing it in Mourning, send it to me and get 5:1 if Im wrong.
My point being you have no more or less guarantee of success with me.
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How are people going to lose money? We are not doing pre orders, we are not asking money upfront.
Originally posted by Razorback Yup thats fair. I prepared to go a little further and say Ill take any cash @ 5:1 that nothing comes of this in terms of a game. But that something may come of it in terms of more people losing thier money. So instead of investing it in Mourning, send it to me and get 5:1 if Im wrong.
Originally posted by LoudAntSoft How are people going to lose money? We are not doing pre orders, we are not asking money upfront.
Originally posted by Razorback Yup thats fair. I prepared to go a little further and say Ill take any cash @ 5:1 that nothing comes of this in terms of a game. But that something may come of it in terms of more people losing thier money. So instead of investing it in Mourning, send it to me and get 5:1 if Im wrong.
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
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I have not bashed your game, only commented the extremely horrible track record of mourning, it's developers and it's publisher. After all, your site spend about a month as a porn site. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is currently no reason to believe LoudAnt is any different from mourning's past. This whole lawsuit thing with the libary just reminds me of Dave vs. SomethingAwful.com all over again.
Lastly, I don't have anything to do with Krel's Libary. However, calling them names is not right. They worked for mourning on lore for years, with so much effort for no pay. Sadly, the old team was only using them and then tried to steal their stories.
Well I'll admit I've done my share of Mourning bashing... Hell I even started that thread regarding the ToC ad on the site. But if what you're saying is true senor loudant, I guess I'll play nice until you give me a reason to distrust you guys again LOL. BUT! I'm watching you
Sounds cool, its nice to see somebody having the courage to raise a dead and dark MMO from the ground. I might check it out once you guys patch everything all up and get it going.
Btw, I the resident troll Bitney might be a former Mourning dev
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Razorback Originally posted by LoudAntSoft How are people going to lose money? We are not doing pre orders, we are not asking money upfront.
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
This is why you don't bother getting into arguments with people here. you'd think a game dev would know what forum whorse are like It doesn't matter what you answer, if they don't like what you're selling they're going to find a way to turn anything you say bad.
Originally posted by DamonVile Originally posted by Razorback Originally posted by LoudAntSoft How are people going to lose money? We are not doing pre orders, we are not asking money upfront.
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
This is why you don't bother getting into arguments with people here. you'd think a game dev would know what forum whorse are like It doesn't matter what you answer, if they don't like what you're selling they're going to find a way to turn anything you say bad.
Originally posted by Razorback Originally posted by LoudAntSoft How are people going to lose money? We are not doing pre orders, we are not asking money upfront.
Originally posted by Razorback Yup thats fair. I prepared to go a little further and say Ill take any cash @ 5:1 that nothing comes of this in terms of a game. But that something may come of it in terms of more people losing thier money. So instead of investing it in Mourning, send it to me and get 5:1 if Im wrong.
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
With our current setup, no charge for pre release, no money up front, free life time accounts for the old players and hundreds of thousands invested why or how we would go about that I am not sure. Either we lose everything or the game does well. I really hope we can make a game that will win you over.
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Jesus christ, shut the fuck up already... You are really annoying. I don't care much about this game, but that developer dude gave you all the info he wanted to give. If it's not enough, suck it up and go do something with your life...
It's ok to ask a few times, but this is becoming a spam, which i will report next time i see you bring that same issue.
Get a grip and move on.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
Bitey, get a life you trolling vagrant. He posted this to discuss an ad, not to listen to you whine. The simple fact is he said if you want to read the article, ask the writer of the article. If you yourself have not seen the offending material, then stop being so persistent about it. Write the author, ask for an e-mailed copy, or a post, and get on with your life. You have spammed what, 10 posts now, about the same thing? I am about ready to report you for spam.
He said they had copyrighted images, he said he asked them to take them down. Maybe the author of the site is a pubescent little child (or old man with no life) that just likes to flame people? Whatever the case, I don't care. He answered you, and now you just sound like a whiney little child screaming "are we there yet?".
Best of luck with the game, the previous progress (before your buyout) looked promising, but the devs ultimately dug their own grave. I hope you can bring it 6 feet up from the grave, and possibly higher, to a good standing game. I know you have a lot of resistance to fight against, and your effort to still fight the battle, is a valiant one at that.
Cheers
Hi Mr. LoudAntSoftware,
I have been reading this post, intresting to say the least. I would like to explain that I have all of these articles (copied them from Krel's Libary before taken down), and I can promise the rest of you that there is absoulte nothing in these articles that has pictures of the game, anything about the game's mechinances. There is one picture of an old website, blogs, a good essay and myspace profiles. Pajari, as Bitey rightly points out, told everyone this was a suit for libel and slander, and not a case of copyright error.
Anyway, I hear mr. loudant hasn't seen these articles, has no problem with them and wants them posted. I would more then happy to post these rather scathing account of this "new" game, with your express permission of course. If you dont want them posted, I will not.
The rest of you flaming bitey have no experience with the history of this game or any experience with these articles. I would advise you to stop talking along with bitey.
Cheers,
Derfel
Libel is even easier to defend than copyright infringement. In the United States, the proof of libel rests solely on the shoulders of the acuser. So Kre's Library really had nothing to worry about unless they were afraid that they had, in fact, libeled the new owners of the game.
I looked at the website where the articles had been. These guys have a hard-on for bashing this game. They were removed from Wikipedia (a 3rd party) because they had been deemed an "attack site." I, personally, give little weight to any source which seems to be unable to give an objective review when they (seemingly) have an inside source.
Also, I don't know who Pajari is, but he is obviously not a lawyer. Libel is any untrue public statement IN PRINT which has the intention of harming the character of the target. Slander is any untrue public VERBAL statement which has the intention of harming the character of the target. Both are really hard to prove because you first have to prove that the acuser has the intention of harming the acused then you have to prove that the statement is true.
If Pajari did say that the lawsuits dealt with libel and slander, he was most likely full of shit because this is a web page and 4 web articles. That might be libel, but there is no way it would be slander.
DerfelCadarn, I have respect for your opinion because you have been a member at MMORPG.com for 2 years, you have almost 1000 posts, and I have never seen you weigh in on one of the 1000s of flamefests we have every day. That being said, I doubt any article published by Kre's Library would persuade me one way or another because after I read the home page of that website, I could tell it was ran by an asshole. If you have a copy of those 4 articles, and if you are not one of the people approached by Loundantsoftware's legal dept then you have every right to post the article without any fear of legal recourse. You don't need to ask anyone for permission. They were written and published on a public venue and, as long as you cite your source, you may reproduce them legally.
Bitey still needs to STFU and if you aren't going to post them then you really shouldn't threaten with it. That's just poor form.
Which FF Character Are You?
It seems that Krels Library and its followers just want to game to fail for whatever reason. Why dont you just say you want to game to fail instead of trying to wrongly attack the credibility of me and the development team ? Do you understand we had nothing to do with the old development team, and we are simply trying to repair damage done at a risk free cost to the player?
The games has a tarnished record there is no question about that; I will be the first to admit that the history of the game is horrid.
Bottom line is that we are finishing this game. If you play it and think it is awfull, then you dont have to pay a thing. If you think it was a good time, we would love to have you on board. We would be proud that we were able to pull it off and got old members recourse for the past disaster.
DerferlCadaen/Bitey - If you want, I will even put you and the members of Krel library in the next testing phase and in every testing phase from that point forward. Then you guys will have real information to judge the progression of the game on. What you think?
Colton
Actually from what I've read in this thread, the onus is now on Bitey/Krel to prove their side of the story too.
They can say Krel was threatened for Libel, but that doesn't prove it's true.
My suggestion is someone who has the articles should email them to Mr. Colton asking which parts would be against copyright. I'm sure Mr. Colton would be happy to prove to us his good faith in allowing the articles to be posted without any copyrighted material in them. Now on the other hand if Mr. Colton says you can't post any of those articles whatsoever or legal action, etc. then the person who recieves that could simply copy the response here.
This way, one of two things will happen. Either the articles (albeit slightly edited) will go back up, and Mr. Colton will be shown to be a good character and earn all our respect. (Note that we know these articles say bad things about the game, but Mr. Colton has already said that it's alright to post that type of info, so that stuff should still be present). Or, we will get a transcript of an email where Mr. Colton says that the articles cannot be posted, and it will show him to be of bad character for playing shadow-games with legalese and such.
Either way, we'll be able to find out the truth of the matter, and get a good indicator of whether they are truly trying to take the game in a better direction.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
You are absolutely correct.
I have no idea what articles he has but if he thinks there is some illegal nature to them he should email them to me. At that point, I will look through them and even if it is a ton of lies (which they are famous for) I will still post it uncensored with my rebuttals to each point. I think that is fair. This way the group here can come to their own conclusion but with both sides of the story at the same time.
Ok as someone who was around for the entire saga of Mourning, Age of Mourning, or whatever else it turned into, including its final metamorphisis into a porn site. I have to say that if the reaction to this thread by both Colton and those who are RIGHTLY skeptical of his claims is anything to go by, then this is just the next chapter in a very sorry tale of woe entitled "Flogging a Dead Horse, the story of how NOT to develop an MMO"
Bitey, Derfel, myself and several other LONG term members of these forums saw this thing from start to what we thought was a finish.
We have seen every wild and whacky claim about this game amount to nothing more than we ever predicted it would amount to and this is sweet zip all. The fact that no one is still able to show us anything remotely resembling a game and never was, just means nothing has changed from day one.
If you call the sorry, one dimensional shambles that ran for a few weeks and ripped off a few hundred people a game, then send me your credit card details because you would clearly believe anything your told.
To those who want to launch into Bitey and Derfl like they are somehow trolling, I can tell from your inception dates (blurr excluded) that you just dont know the history, so have a care. We have invested a lot of finger work in keeping this so called game honest and to see it being resurected at this late stage just seems like another suss development in a long line of suss developments.
Lets not forget that it holds the dubious distinction of being the only MMO that was completely stricken from MMORPG.com's records due to the behaviour of the developers and mods in relation to thier dealings with MMORPG.com and thier customers.
To Colton and Loud Ant. If you had any business savvy, you would have quietly bought the engine and renamed every single thing in it, lest anyone EVER find out that your prospective product had anything to do with Mourning. Coming to these forums and announcing your association with this terrible saga has to be the worst marketting move I have seen since John Romero called his customer base "bitches". JR now enjoys his very own blog site, somewhere in Eastern Europe and will probably never been seen in the games industry again save for mentions on forums like these about what a clown he was.
http://www.johnromero.com/
Best of luck with your endeavours.... with a start like this....you will certianly need it.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
I didn't read all the stupid whinny crap in this thread...this forum seems to have far too much of it. I dont know why people are making such a big deal over it anyway, I think some people here are just looking to pick a fight. ( I don't mean about mourning )
Anyhow thx for coming here to make the post and clear up a few of the issues people have been talking about. Good luck with your game guys, and I hope it works out for you. I don't know enough about it to say if I'd buy it or not but I don't think anyone can really lose with what you're offering.
We have an ongoing thread on our guild forums about staying away from you're game. I link this and they can atleast decide for themselves if they want to try it or not.
It would be against my good conscience to release these documents to LoudAnt to edit without the author's permission. I am sure that Lond Ant has seen them already though. Pajari should be around to look at this tomorrow.
This is not the point however. I am not part of any group, and have no connections with Krel's Libary. I have written many articles on mourning in the past (1,000+ post response, 56,000 views) , and in history's light, have been proven correct about mourning and it's third-world developers. After all the great PvP we were promised, they were all lies and misturths. It gets old after awhile. Hopeful you understand me being skeptical about mourning afterall- changing it's name 3-4 times, switcing it's website to a porn site and then switching of developers. Dave has tried this before. After all, zaxtor was charged over 500 dollars by those folks.
Like Razor said, you would have been better off moving totally away from the mourning title. Mabye a new game based on the old engine. I don't like the idea of Dave making money selling this game anyway.
I am unsure of the new develpers at this point, and I will wait to make a full judgement. LondAnt seems to have a slightly more open with questions, but this article and the whole legal process over articles never viewed seems strange. The secert publisher thing is also troubling. Anyway, I might test your game, but I want to write a full and objective review of the game. At this point, I am too afriad that livecamsluts.com will be part of the download.
Cheers,
Derfel
Well you know me Kishe........ You know Im not prone to kneejerk reactions...
Its clear even Colton was not fully aware of the history of this game or he surely wouldnt have come and announced an association with it, in the full knowledge it would be a bad move.
If we ignore history we are condemmed to repeat it. This whole thread is a case in point.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
You are more then welcome to come into testing and write whatever you think is fair. Look, we know this game is going to be a complete failure unless it is great. This is why we are not charging anything upfront. So, either we make a great title or it fails; there will be no delay in this once it is released. I just think it would be fair to us for all the Krel Library guys to take me up on my offer to be in the tests before comparing my team to the old one.
If you want to continue to bash it when we are trying to do everything we can to fix the old problems, that is your choice. It would be nice, however, if you saw the game as it progressed and then bashed it if you thought it was deserved.
You can even go to the site now and see new models, animations and updates. Our skill level as a team is much higher then that of the Romanian one. I know you cant judge this by models and animations alone, but you can see the skill level in this one area is much better then the old team.
Colton
Well you know me Kishe........ You know Im not prone to kneejerk reactions...
Its clear even Colton was not fully aware of the history of this game or he surely wouldnt have come and announced an association with it, in the full knowledge it would be a bad move.
If we ignore history we are condemmed to repeat it. This whole thread is a case in point.
i personally are interested to see how loud ant software does and are willing to give them freedom of doubt. The fact he has come here and answered questions as he has been able to without flaming the admins of the site and calling mothers of their fans with names takes him far above what old developers was.
Even tough I got my fingers burnt with believing the "honesty" of Irth Online devs that is.
Yup thats fair.
Im prepared to go a little further and say Ill take any cash @ 5:1 that nothing comes of this in terms of a game. But that something may come of it in terms of more people losing thier money.
So instead of investing it in Mourning, send it to me and get 5:1 if Im wrong.
My point being you have no more or less guarantee of success with me.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
How are people going to lose money? We are not doing pre orders, we are not asking money upfront.
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
I have not bashed your game, only commented the extremely horrible track record of mourning, it's developers and it's publisher. After all, your site spend about a month as a porn site. Unless you can prove otherwise, there is currently no reason to believe LoudAnt is any different from mourning's past. This whole lawsuit thing with the libary just reminds me of Dave vs. SomethingAwful.com all over again.
Lastly, I don't have anything to do with Krel's Libary. However, calling them names is not right. They worked for mourning on lore for years, with so much effort for no pay. Sadly, the old team was only using them and then tried to steal their stories.
Sounds cool, its nice to see somebody having the courage to raise a dead and dark MMO from the ground. I might check it out once you guys patch everything all up and get it going.
Btw, I the resident troll Bitney might be a former Mourning dev
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
This is why you don't bother getting into arguments with people here. you'd think a game dev would know what forum whorse are like
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
This is why you don't bother getting into arguments with people here. you'd think a game dev would know what forum whorse are like
Looks like Razor has a taker for his bet.
Think about it, Im sure youll work out a way, your predecessors did.
With our current setup, no charge for pre release, no money up front, free life time accounts for the old players and hundreds of thousands invested why or how we would go about that I am not sure. Either we lose everything or the game does well. I really hope we can make a game that will win you over.