Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by MX13 I hope you stay around here and help to raise the discussions. The more Senators (not to mention non-Fanboi players) on this board, the better for everyone IMO.
Does that include Pre-CU fanboi's?
Pre-CU Fanbois don't play, and therefor are not "players", so no...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something. Hold on, this might take a while. I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Originally posted by SODAofBRIA Originally posted by Unagi
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something. Hold on, this might take a while. I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Ok so we can rib him more coming from our server Soda... damn, ok so pretty much this one is kinda a ouch.
I feel like we are quoting Devs to go after them lol..
Hard to argue this Unagi... BUT maybe rose colored glasses were free that day , who knows.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
It's pretty obvious that the testers were told that if they didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
I guess they would be banned if they spoke their mind. That doesn't seem like an unpaid position that I would be interested in. It's a pretty lame ego stroke. What do they get? A yellow forum name, and a free subscription to a shitty game?
I don't want to speak for Unagi, but I suspect that this is just a case of someone buying into the hype. At the most, I imagine that SOE hand picked certain personalities that were likely to praise what they saw.
Originally posted by SODAofBRIA It's pretty obvious that the testers were told that if they didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. I guess they would be banned if they spoke their mind. That doesn't seem like an unpaid position that I would be interested in. It's a pretty lame ego stroke. What do they get? A yellow forum name, and a free subscription to a shitty game?
Yep.
And the kick to the nads of the egos of the morons at SOE the crashing subscriber numbers had to be would have been priceless to witness.
Of course, they still have their huge egos, they still say "no classic servers, no how, no way".
But I no longer believe that. 3 months ago it was "no auto aim and fire, no how, no way". Before that it was "no firing of specials from the keyboard directly, no how, no way". Every time we fall through another new low in the subscriber threshold, no how, no way becomes "we are offering that next publish".
Still, classic servers will only come once the egos are completely drained. Some of the idiots at SOE still think they can turn the NGE around. Yeah, right, so far all they have done that anyone has liked is re-implimentations of things the game had before they threw it and the baby out with the bathwater.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 But I no longer believe that. 3 months ago it was "no auto aim and fire, no how, no way". Before that it was "no firing of specials from the keyboard directly, no how, no way". Every time we fall through another new low in the subscriber threshold, no how, no way becomes "we are offering that next publish".
Amen Wildcat, amen. And every time they back down it widens the smile on my face. I'd still rather have them do the right thing and just open pre-CU servers in parallel so as not to hurt those like Obraik, Pirrg, and Blazin who like the new system. But if push comes to shove, tough luck boys, toss out the NGE and roll in the pre-CU. Better you than me!
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by SODAofBRIA Originally posted by Unagi
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something. Hold on, this might take a while. I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Ok so we can rib him more coming from our server Soda... damn, ok so pretty much this one is kinda a ouch.
I feel like we are quoting Devs to go after them lol..
Hard to argue this Unagi... BUT maybe rose colored glasses were free that day , who knows.
Yeah, Isk, I can see where my intial assessment might not be received so well, especially in the context of the last nine months of hindsight. I don't have any regrets or make any apologies for my opinion but context is an important thing, and it seems that this was never really made clear in my attempts to avoid taking the bait being offered up by some of the more disruptive trolls here and on the official boards. I'll clarify all of that later. In the meantime, in all seriousness, I thank those of you who are displaying a genuine interest in keeping things civil and constructive.
Originally posted by Unagi Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by SODAofBRIA Originally posted by Unagi
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something. Hold on, this might take a while. I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Ok so we can rib him more coming from our server Soda... damn, ok so pretty much this one is kinda a ouch.
I feel like we are quoting Devs to go after them lol..
Hard to argue this Unagi... BUT maybe rose colored glasses were free that day , who knows.
Yeah, Isk, I can see where my intial assessment might not be received so well, especially in the context of the last nine months of hindsight. I don't have any regrets or make any apologies for my opinion but context is an important thing, and it seems that this was never really made clear in my attempts to avoid taking the bait being offered up by some of the more disruptive trolls here and on the official boards. I'll clarify all of that later. In the meantime, in all seriousness, I thank those of you who are displaying a genuine interest in keeping things civil and constructive.
Ahh, man I still can be pissed at you I still think you could have made more of a stand or difference maybe.
I know some of the (Corrs turned GS's) left -- you do to. You also know that the NGE really played a role in alot of this.
I still think that no matter what the GS roles went south when this started getting ugly with comments about the NGE. Badger, Meat and many more just got defensive and I do NOT blame them, however they had to expect this during all of this mess.
No matter what, I know I did at least have some fun in the game when it mattered more, when it was "complex" lol, or diverse not to mention had more people in it.
I think in two years or less none of this will matter much anyway though.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by jrscott Originally posted by Wildcat84 But I no longer believe that. 3 months ago it was "no auto aim and fire, no how, no way". Before that it was "no firing of specials from the keyboard directly, no how, no way". Every time we fall through another new low in the subscriber threshold, no how, no way becomes "we are offering that next publish".
Amen Wildcat, amen. And every time they back down it widens the smile on my face. I'd still rather have them do the right thing and just open pre-CU servers in parallel so as not to hurt those like Obraik, Pirrg, and Blazin who like the new system. But if push comes to shove, tough luck boys, toss out the NGE and roll in the pre-CU. Better you than me!
I do not dispute this but this was foreseen, we saw the egg on face a long time ago in mid-air falling.
Hell, after they added a bad version of player bounties I saw alot of crap coming back in a bad version of the previous even though they "SWORE" it would not.
I also think that even the GS's were sold a bag of goods as well... I just have to.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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Pre-CU Fanbois don't play, and therefor are not "players", so no...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something.
Hold on, this might take a while.
I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Love, Sodapop
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something.
Hold on, this might take a while.
I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Ok so we can rib him more coming from our server Soda... damn, ok so pretty much this one is kinda a ouch.
I feel like we are quoting Devs to go after them lol..
Hard to argue this Unagi... BUT maybe rose colored glasses were free that day , who knows.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
It's pretty obvious that the testers were told that if they didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
I guess they would be banned if they spoke their mind. That doesn't seem like an unpaid position that I would be interested in. It's a pretty lame ego stroke.
What do they get? A yellow forum name, and a free subscription to a shitty game?
Love, Sodapop
I don't want to speak for Unagi, but I suspect that this is just a case of someone buying into the hype. At the most, I imagine that SOE hand picked certain personalities that were likely to praise what they saw.
And the kick to the nads of the egos of the morons at SOE the crashing subscriber numbers had to be would have been priceless to witness.
Of course, they still have their huge egos, they still say "no classic servers, no how, no way".
But I no longer believe that. 3 months ago it was "no auto aim and fire, no how, no way". Before that it was "no firing of specials from the keyboard directly, no how, no way". Every time we fall through another new low in the subscriber threshold, no how, no way becomes "we are offering that next publish".
Still, classic servers will only come once the egos are completely drained. Some of the idiots at SOE still think they can turn the NGE around. Yeah, right, so far all they have done that anyone has liked is re-implimentations of things the game had before they threw it and the baby out with the bathwater.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something.
Hold on, this might take a while.
I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Ok so we can rib him more coming from our server Soda... damn, ok so pretty much this one is kinda a ouch.
I feel like we are quoting Devs to go after them lol..
Hard to argue this Unagi... BUT maybe rose colored glasses were free that day , who knows.
Yeah, Isk, I can see where my intial assessment might not be received so well, especially in the context of the last nine months of hindsight. I don't have any regrets or make any apologies for my opinion but context is an important thing, and it seems that this was never really made clear in my attempts to avoid taking the bait being offered up by some of the more disruptive trolls here and on the official boards. I'll clarify all of that later. In the meantime, in all seriousness, I thank those of you who are displaying a genuine interest in keeping things civil and constructive.
I don't know why you all continually assert that I didn't argue about anything. Parts of the NGE I thought were kind of cool. Because they were. There were also some atrocities that I had plenty of concerns about, too - and I voiced those. I voiced them in the conference room with Dallas and Julio, and I continue to voice them in the Senate forums. Adamantly. I don't expect you to take my word for it because most of that has been concealed from public view, but quit trying to assert things that you can't possibly prove.
Well...So you say.
This is all we got to hear, unfortunately:
"I have been in SOE's offices in Austin all day playing with the new changes and talking with the developers, designers and producers. It looks awesome. The CU was a band-aid on a broken system. This is a brand new game. And it rocks. The game has never looked, felt and played more like "Star Wars" then it did when I logged into the test console this morning."
"I have been in Austin at SOE's offices all day testing a lot of these new upcoming changes. While there is likely to be a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt about the new direction of the game, my first impression is one of sheer amazement and joy."
I'm looking for those "atrocities"...Maybe they are hidden in anagrams or something.
Hold on, this might take a while.
I'll go get my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.
Ok so we can rib him more coming from our server Soda... damn, ok so pretty much this one is kinda a ouch.
I feel like we are quoting Devs to go after them lol..
Hard to argue this Unagi... BUT maybe rose colored glasses were free that day , who knows.
Yeah, Isk, I can see where my intial assessment might not be received so well, especially in the context of the last nine months of hindsight. I don't have any regrets or make any apologies for my opinion but context is an important thing, and it seems that this was never really made clear in my attempts to avoid taking the bait being offered up by some of the more disruptive trolls here and on the official boards. I'll clarify all of that later. In the meantime, in all seriousness, I thank those of you who are displaying a genuine interest in keeping things civil and constructive.
Ahh, man I still can be pissed at you I still think you could have made more of a stand or difference maybe.
I know some of the (Corrs turned GS's) left -- you do to. You also know that the NGE really played a role in alot of this.
I still think that no matter what the GS roles went south when this started getting ugly with comments about the NGE. Badger, Meat and many more just got defensive and I do NOT blame them, however they had to expect this during all of this mess.
No matter what, I know I did at least have some fun in the game when it mattered more, when it was "complex" lol, or diverse not to mention had more people in it.
I think in two years or less none of this will matter much anyway though.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I do not dispute this but this was foreseen, we saw the egg on face a long time ago in mid-air falling.
Hell, after they added a bad version of player bounties I saw alot of crap coming back in a bad version of the previous even though they "SWORE" it would not.
I also think that even the GS's were sold a bag of goods as well... I just have to.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1