[quote]Originally posted by Razorback [b]I have been thinking about this for some time and a program I watched recently confirmed my opinion that of all the religions, Buddhism presents the greatest threat to modern society. (this is 10% tounge in cheek, but somewhat serious too) So HOW THE [email=#@$%] you ask, does the peaceful and contemplative religion of Buddhism present a threat to anything ?? Well when I was in Thailand I watched the monks come down from their Wats (temples) in the mornings to recieve thier food from the people. Basically around sunrise they all come to town and people line the streets and as they walk past the people put food in their little baskets and thats what they have to eat that day.
Great for the monks coz it means they can spend the day busily emptying thier minds of all thoughts right ? Yeah right..... but!! What if everyone wanted to be a Buddhist ? What if all the worlds Pilots and Surgeons suddenly said tomorrow. "We are pretty sick of this whole consumer society trip man, we are going to go sit on a hill and think happy thoughts for the next 8 years" Buddhism represents a genuine threat to modern society because it is completely devoid of any notion of contribution or work ethic. Your whole purpose as a Buddhist is to personally reach "nirvana" (not the band). To reach a state of inner peace and tranquility, through meditation and letting go of wants. Buddhism only works because of the grace of normal people, allowing these lazy good for nothings to sit around and look wise. DOWN WITH BUDDHISM!!! Stop it before it ruins us ALL!!
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Well since women can't be buhdist monks i don't see a problem. Women can do all the work and men can just sit on their arses thinking......
Originally posted by reavo Shinto is a religion of Japanese origin. Buddhism is from India. Buddhism is the study of guiding the spirit towards ceasing reincarnation ("nirvana") so that the spirit can stop suffering. Shinto is more the worship of elements.
In my understanding, Shinto is a form of Bhuddism.
Shinto is not a centralised religion, but rather the worship of local shrines. These may be elemental spirits but can also be any others. Ancestor shrines for example.
As in Christianity, these smaller local religious beliefs have been assimilated into the global pantheon that is Bhuddism as it has grown.
My favourite Shinto shrine, is a statue of Godzilla outside the studios in which many of the films were made. People hang presents onto it.
Originally posted by Khuzarrz Originally posted by methane47 The crusades didn't start with "ALL CHRistians lets go kill the muslims.." it started with "Soldiers mount up we are going to War...."
Wrong I'm afraid. The Crusades really started with the Pope, Cardinals, and Arch-Bishops telling all of the Lords and Kings and such-like that the best way to speed up their time in purgatory (the latest idea cooked up by the catholic church to aid in their control over the populace) was to devote some of their life to the most important quest of all time - retaking the holy land (and donating all proceeds to the Catholic church, surprisingly enough Though the Knights Templar were WAY too intelligent for that... So the Pope had a word... And then... Ya know...)...
The Crusades - the worst 'war' in history (don't argue this based on numbers please - you're completely missing all the other elements of war, such as reasoning, ideology, lasting effects, fighting style, cost etc.) - were started by religious people (christians in fact... -sorry, couldnt resist giving people more to whine about us awful 'atheists'-) using religion as a cover for their desire for power, riches and territory.
I will say though... Buddhism is far from the most peaceful religion going... Go play some Shogun: Total War... Or research Samurai... (Particularly their method for ensuring their weapons' sharpness)... Despite that though... Buddhism ftw!
Buddhism IS a peaceful religion. In scripture and more so in practice than any other religion in history. BY FAR in practice more than any other religion.
Buddhism teaches that you are to give up worldly desires. Because from these desires comes suffering. And it teaches to do good and stop suffering in the world so that others may continue on their path to nirvana. But you don't just go out and commit violence just to spread your cause. And any form of defense is supposed to be absolutely exact in it's use and not without total provocation. No implied or interpreted threat like other religions allow you to strike out against. Bombings and mass killings for personal or political reasons are completely frowned upon.
And of course there are going to be instances where a religion is used to a distorted means. But like I said, if you look at history and the practice of relgions, Buddhism and it's followers are going to win out everytime for being the most peaceful in their actions. Even the outbursts of violence are small and contained. Which says a lot for the influence of a religion on its followers when it can keep the innate human desire for violence at a minimum.
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by reavo Shinto is a religion of Japanese origin. Buddhism is from India. Buddhism is the study of guiding the spirit towards ceasing reincarnation ("nirvana") so that the spirit can stop suffering. Shinto is more the worship of elements.
In my understanding, Shinto is a form of Bhuddism.
Shinto is not a centralised religion, but rather the worship of local shrines. These may be elemental spirits but can also be any others. Ancestor shrines for example.
As in Christianity, these smaller local religious beliefs have been assimilated into the global pantheon that is Bhuddism as it has grown.
My favourite Shinto shrine, is a statue of Godzilla outside the studios in which many of the films were made. People hang presents onto it.
No. To say that Shinto and Buddhism are the same because they merged in an area is wrong. That's like saying that native American religion and Christianity are the same because some native American's adopted some Christian practices into their ceremonies. It doesn't work that way. Pure Buddhism and pure Shintoism are not the same. They have different origins, practices, and teachings.
BTW, shrine worship = animism. I think that's the term you're looking for.
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by reavo Shinto is a religion of Japanese origin. Buddhism is from India. Buddhism is the study of guiding the spirit towards ceasing reincarnation ("nirvana") so that the spirit can stop suffering. Shinto is more the worship of elements.
Shinto is a form of Bhuddism.
Shinto is not a centralised religion, but rather the worship of local shrines. These may be elemental spirits but can also be any others. Ancestor shrines for example.
As in Christianity, these smaller local religious beliefs have been assimilated into the global pantheon that is Bhuddism as it has grown.
My favourite Shinto shrine, is a giant statue of Godzilla outside the studios in which many of the films were made. People hang presents onto it still.
I think you've kind of misunderstood here - although anyone with higher RE training is welcome to differ - Buddhism has MANY THOUSANDS of forms, however these are not all Buddhism. I'm assuming you've come to the impression Shinto being a form of Buddhism from the phrase 'Shinto Buddhism'. If you were to hear 'Sikh Buddhism', would you assume Sikh to be a Buddhist form also?... Where you hear the name of one religion before 'buddhism' means that the follower(s) are Buddhists, but, as is allowed (and encouraged) within Buddhism, they also follow the other religion - other common examples are Tao Buddhism and Hindu Buddhism... I'm 99% sure, as Reavo said, Shinto is not a form of Buddhism, but rather a Japanese cultural 'religion' which can be followed without regard to Buddhist beliefs/intentions... Do correct me if I'm wrong though ^^
Originally posted by baff Bollocks. Bhuddists have had as many wars as everyone else. They are one of the few religions in which killing people can gain you specific advancement towards heaven.
Where are you getting this from? Seriously, where do you get this info from?
Originally posted by baff They are one of the few religions in which killing people can gain you specific advancement towards heaven.
Not really - the majority of religions advocate this as well. Christianity has done (and still does in some areas). Islam does. Sikhism does. Almost all African religion has always contained religious sacrifices. The list goes on and on...
Now I remember , it was Jesus advocating killing romans in order to get to heaven lol.
Overall it's not the religion advocating it, it's the particular leaders who have a political agenda, thats how its usually been. For example the power hungy pope who backed up Byzantium to further his own agenda in the first Crusade, The many Islamist leaders over the centuries basically starting their own islamic belief systems through their own interpretations of the Koran, forgot the spelling quo ran something blah. Same goes for most religions that took part in violent acts. This is basically an example of a person hijacking a religion, like the bin ladins, or pro death penalty christians.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
Originally posted by Khuzarrz Originally posted by baff They are one of the few religions in which killing people can gain you specific advancement towards heaven.
Not really - the majority of religions advocate this as well. Christianity has done (and still does in some areas). Islam does. Sikhism does. Almost all African religion has always contained religious sacrifices. The list goes on and on...
Judaic based religions have something called the ten commandments.
Thou shalt not kill. A lot of people like to skip over that one.
Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by baff Bollocks. Bhuddists have had as many wars as everyone else. They are one of the few religions in which killing people can gain you specific advancement towards heaven.
Where are you getting this from? Seriously, where do you get this info from?
Are you trying to tell me Bhuddist countries like India have never been in any wars, or have had comaparatively few? Who are you trying to kid?
No. To say that Shinto and Buddhism are the same because they merged in an area is wrong. That's like saying that native American religion and Christianity are the same because some native American's adopted some Christian practices into their ceremonies. It doesn't work that way. Pure Buddhism and pure Shintoism are not the same. They have different origins, practices, and teachings.
BTW, shrine worship = animism. I think that's the term you're looking for.
But I've never heard of pure Shintoism any more than I have ever heard of pure Taoism or pure Confuscianism.
In fact it is my understanding that there has never been any such thing.
Up until it's assimilation into Bhuddism, Shinto beliefs weren't pure at all, they weren't shared from village to village or structured in any way. It is a collective term used for the worshipping of local deities and shrines that existed in Japan before Bhuddism.
There is no such thing as "pure" Shinto. It has no scriptures, no set of core principles and no orthodoxy. Each Shrine and local belief is completely unconnected to the next. Shinto had no organisation at all until it became Shinto Bhuddism.
Originally posted by Copeland Well since women can't be buhdist monks i don't see a problem. Women can do all the work and men can just sit on their arses thinking......
Originally posted by baff Bollocks. Bhuddists have had as many wars as everyone else. They are one of the few religions in which killing people can gain you specific advancement towards heaven.
"Bhuddist"?
What is a "bhuddist"?
On the other hand, Buddhism never had the political power like the pope had. Buddhist basic principles against such thing. Thus NO war was ordered by the buddhist temple or such. If any king who claim to believe in buddhism while started war, that's his problem, not the buddhism's. I can't speak for Christan...pope ordered crusaders.
Originally posted by Khuzarrz Originally posted by JaziaOriginally posted by CopelandWell since women can't be buhdist monks i don't see a problem. Women can do all the work and men can just sit on their arses thinking...... Wrong haha. Women CAN be buddhist monks.Only in certain forms I think you'll find...
Hey, I am talking it as an FACT.
Go ask any Chinese, you will find they have a word for the name of the female buddhist monks. And also another word just for their temples, different from male monks' temple.
And there was one funny saying I heard. First you need to know buddhist monks are not allowed to have marriage/sex.
So there was a funny joke saying from ages ago, it says if a male monks' temple is side by side with a female monks' temple, obivously there will be some kind of ... "trouble" lol...
Judaic based religions have something called the ten commandments. Thou shalt not kill. A lot of people like to skip over that one.
Thou shalt not kill. A lot of people like to skip over that one.
The poster before (quoted at the bottom of this post) you has it quite accurately explained I suppose. The issue is your definition of religion, compared to religious leader... Right now, anything the pope says, to an orthodox Catholic, is as valid as gospel... This has in history, and still now, given men in such positions too much power, as their views basically ARE the religion. We have to ask where we draw the line for what is manipulating a religion, rather than being the leader of it...
Originally posted by Gorukha Overall it's not the religion advocating it, it's the particular leaders who have a political agenda, thats how its usually been. For example the power hungy pope who backed up Byzantium to further his own agenda in the first Crusade, The many Islamist leaders over the centuries basically starting their own islamic belief systems through their own interpretations of the Koran, forgot the spelling quo ran something blah. Same goes for most religions that took part in violent acts. This is basically an example of a person hijacking a religion, like the bin ladins, or pro death penalty christians.
Originally posted by Razorback I have been thinking about this for some time and a program I watched recently confirmed my opinion that of all the religions, Buddhism presents the greatest threat to modern society. (this is 10% tounge in cheek, but somewhat serious too) So HOW THE #@$% you ask, does the peaceful and contemplative religion of Buddhism present a threat to anything ?? Well when I was in Thailand I watched the monks come down from their Wats (temples) in the mornings to recieve thier food from the people. Basically around sunrise they all come to town and people line the streets and as they walk past the people put food in their little baskets and thats what they have to eat that day. Great for the monks coz it means they can spend the day busily emptying thier minds of all thoughts right ? Yeah right..... but!! What if everyone wanted to be a Buddhist ? What if all the worlds Pilots and Surgeons suddenly said tomorrow. "We are pretty sick of this whole consumer society trip man, we are going to go sit on a hill and think happy thoughts for the next 8 years" Buddhism represents a genuine threat to modern society because it is completely devoid of any notion of contribution or work ethic. Your whole purpose as a Buddhist is to personally reach "nirvana" (not the band). To reach a state of inner peace and tranquility, through meditation and letting go of wants. Buddhism only works because of the grace of normal people, allowing these lazy good for nothings to sit around and look wise. DOWN WITH BUDDHISM!!! Stop it before it ruins us ALL!!
imo its assholes like this guy who has no respect for anothers belief and is more of a threat to society than anything else, i can go on with this but im not, this guys a dipshit plain and simple. Dude everyones not gonna become a buhdist monk, so i would not feel threatened to have to feed them all, if that isd yer only concern about them is that the followers of the religion give there priests food, lol fkin moron!!!
yeah he doesn't realize that when the christan priests pass the plants around for donation in the church is the same thing. And you don't have to be a monk/priest to believe in a religion. The monks/priests are only very very small % of the believers. It's not like every single believer will feed on others. Some buddhist monks actually work for their living, such as grow their own food, or in Shaolin temple's case, they teach material arts.
Originally posted by boognish75 Originally posted by Razorback I have been thinking about this for some time and a program I watched recently confirmed my opinion that of all the religions, Buddhism presents the greatest threat to modern society. (this is 10% tounge in cheek, but somewhat serious too) So HOW THE #@$% you ask, does the peaceful and contemplative religion of Buddhism present a threat to anything ?? Well when I was in Thailand I watched the monks come down from their Wats (temples) in the mornings to recieve thier food from the people. Basically around sunrise they all come to town and people line the streets and as they walk past the people put food in their little baskets and thats what they have to eat that day. Great for the monks coz it means they can spend the day busily emptying thier minds of all thoughts right ? Yeah right..... but!! What if everyone wanted to be a Buddhist ? What if all the worlds Pilots and Surgeons suddenly said tomorrow. "We are pretty sick of this whole consumer society trip man, we are going to go sit on a hill and think happy thoughts for the next 8 years" Buddhism represents a genuine threat to modern society because it is completely devoid of any notion of contribution or work ethic. Your whole purpose as a Buddhist is to personally reach "nirvana" (not the band). To reach a state of inner peace and tranquility, through meditation and letting go of wants. Buddhism only works because of the grace of normal people, allowing these lazy good for nothings to sit around and look wise. DOWN WITH BUDDHISM!!! Stop it before it ruins us ALL!!
imo its assholes like this guy who has no respect for anothers belief and is more of a threat to society than anything else, i can go on with this but im not, this guys a dipshit plain and simple. Dude everyones not gonna become a buhdist monk, so i would not feel threatened to have to feed them all, if that isd yer only concern about them is that the followers of the religion give there priests food, lol fkin moron!!!
(this is 10% tounge in cheek, but somewhat serious too) -- you miss that part?
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by reavo
No. To say that Shinto and Buddhism are the same because they merged in an area is wrong. That's like saying that native American religion and Christianity are the same because some native American's adopted some Christian practices into their ceremonies. It doesn't work that way. Pure Buddhism and pure Shintoism are not the same. They have different origins, practices, and teachings.
BTW, shrine worship = animism. I think that's the term you're looking for.
But I've never heard of pure Shintoism any more than I have ever heard of pure Taoism or pure Confuscianism.
In fact it is my understanding that there has never been any such thing.
Up until it's assimilation into Bhuddism, Shinto beliefs weren't pure at all, they weren't shared from village to village or structured in any way. It is a collective term used for the worshipping of local deities and shrines that existed in Japan before Bhuddism.
There is no such thing as "pure" Shinto. It has no scriptures, no set of core principles and no orthodoxy. Each Shrine and local belief is completely unconnected to the next. Shinto had no organisation at all until it became Shinto Bhuddism.
Originally posted by Khuzarrz Wrong I'm afraid. The Crusades really started with the Pope, Cardinals, and Arch-Bishops telling all of the Lords and Kings and such-like that the best way to speed up their time in purgatory (the latest idea cooked up by the catholic church to aid in their control over the populace) was to devote some of their life to the most important quest of all time - retaking the holy land (and donating all proceeds to the Catholic church, surprisingly enough Though the Knights Templar were WAY too intelligent for that... So the Pope had a word... And then... Ya know...)..
Wrong again... Crusades were not started by the Pope persay... The king of Byzantine went to the pope and pleaded with him to come defend his land because the Muslim armies were taking it over... It originally had NOTHING to do with religion... The King of Byzantine went to the Pope because the only thing they had in common was their religion.... both believed in the judaic form...
So the pope made a choice to turn it into a holy war.. The Pope had many supporters... If you didn't Support HIS war... YOu became the immdiate enemy of Papacy and all his allies.... The Crusades were not one in whcih soldies and kings and princes were like... "..You know what? We are going to go kill muslims in the name of Big J.C... " ... They pretty much had no choice...
One man abused his power and influence to start a war... Dont blame that on Christianity... How is Buddhism more peacefull when they came up with a full form of martial arts ... KEY WORD MARTIAL!!! if you dont know what martial arts means look it up... I say you stop judging THE WHOLE religion of Christianity because of a war that was started by a MAN! not God... Because I do not judge Buddhism or Islam or anyother religion for what a minority of their people Do.
Monks are given some sort of control over temples in Buddhism... Christianity Gives no single man power to discern it's word... The word is OUT there for you to read and understand yourself... Jesus NEVER Said... "... Verily verily I say onto you, let my mouth piece in the world Be..umm... an italian man who likes pasta...." Imagination 3:19.
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[quote]Originally posted by Razorback
[b]I have been thinking about this for some time and a program I watched recently confirmed my opinion that of all the religions, Buddhism presents the greatest threat to modern society.
(this is 10% tounge in cheek, but somewhat serious too)
So HOW THE [email=#@$%] you ask, does the peaceful and contemplative religion of Buddhism present a threat to anything ??
Well when I was in Thailand I watched the monks come down from their Wats (temples) in the mornings to recieve thier food from the people. Basically around sunrise they all come to town and people line the streets and as they walk past the people put food in their little baskets and thats what they have to eat that day.
Great for the monks coz it means they can spend the day busily emptying thier minds of all thoughts right ?
Buddhism represents a genuine threat to modern society because it is completely devoid of any notion of contribution or work ethic.
Yeah right..... but!!
What if everyone wanted to be a Buddhist ? What if all the worlds Pilots and Surgeons suddenly said tomorrow. "We are pretty sick of this whole consumer society trip man, we are going to go sit on a hill and think happy thoughts for the next 8 years"
Your whole purpose as a Buddhist is to personally reach "nirvana" (not the band). To reach a state of inner peace and tranquility, through meditation and letting go of wants. Buddhism only works because of the grace of normal people, allowing these lazy good for nothings to sit around and look wise.
DOWN WITH BUDDHISM!!! Stop it before it ruins us ALL!!
Well since women can't be buhdist monks i don't see a problem. Women can do all the work and men can just sit on their arses thinking......
Make a difference!
In my understanding, Shinto is a form of Bhuddism.
Shinto is not a centralised religion, but rather the worship of local shrines. These may be elemental spirits but can also be any others. Ancestor shrines for example.
As in Christianity, these smaller local religious beliefs have been assimilated into the global pantheon that is Bhuddism as it has grown.
My favourite Shinto shrine, is a statue of Godzilla outside the studios in which many of the films were made. People hang presents onto it.
Wrong I'm afraid. The Crusades really started with the Pope, Cardinals, and Arch-Bishops telling all of the Lords and Kings and such-like that the best way to speed up their time in purgatory (the latest idea cooked up by the catholic church to aid in their control over the populace) was to devote some of their life to the most important quest of all time - retaking the holy land (and donating all proceeds to the Catholic church, surprisingly enough
Though the Knights Templar were WAY too intelligent for that... So the Pope had a word... And then... Ya know...)...
The Crusades - the worst 'war' in history (don't argue this based on numbers please - you're completely missing all the other elements of war, such as reasoning, ideology, lasting effects, fighting style, cost etc.) - were started by religious people (christians in fact... -sorry, couldnt resist giving people more to whine about us awful 'atheists'-) using religion as a cover for their desire for power, riches and territory.
I will say though... Buddhism is far from the most peaceful religion going... Go play some Shogun: Total War... Or research Samurai... (Particularly their method for ensuring their weapons' sharpness)... Despite that though... Buddhism ftw!
Buddhism IS a peaceful religion. In scripture and more so in practice than any other religion in history. BY FAR in practice more than any other religion.
Buddhism teaches that you are to give up worldly desires. Because from these desires comes suffering. And it teaches to do good and stop suffering in the world so that others may continue on their path to nirvana. But you don't just go out and commit violence just to spread your cause. And any form of defense is supposed to be absolutely exact in it's use and not without total provocation. No implied or interpreted threat like other religions allow you to strike out against. Bombings and mass killings for personal or political reasons are completely frowned upon.
And of course there are going to be instances where a religion is used to a distorted means. But like I said, if you look at history and the practice of relgions, Buddhism and it's followers are going to win out everytime for being the most peaceful in their actions. Even the outbursts of violence are small and contained. Which says a lot for the influence of a religion on its followers when it can keep the innate human desire for violence at a minimum.
Bollocks. Bhuddists have had as many wars as everyone else.
They are one of the few religions in which killing people can gain you specific advancement towards heaven.
In my understanding, Shinto is a form of Bhuddism.
Shinto is not a centralised religion, but rather the worship of local shrines. These may be elemental spirits but can also be any others. Ancestor shrines for example.
As in Christianity, these smaller local religious beliefs have been assimilated into the global pantheon that is Bhuddism as it has grown.
My favourite Shinto shrine, is a statue of Godzilla outside the studios in which many of the films were made. People hang presents onto it.
No. To say that Shinto and Buddhism are the same because they merged in an area is wrong. That's like saying that native American religion and Christianity are the same because some native American's adopted some Christian practices into their ceremonies. It doesn't work that way. Pure Buddhism and pure Shintoism are not the same. They have different origins, practices, and teachings.
BTW, shrine worship = animism. I think that's the term you're looking for.
Shinto is a form of Bhuddism.
Shinto is not a centralised religion, but rather the worship of local shrines. These may be elemental spirits but can also be any others. Ancestor shrines for example.
As in Christianity, these smaller local religious beliefs have been assimilated into the global pantheon that is Bhuddism as it has grown.
My favourite Shinto shrine, is a giant statue of Godzilla outside the studios in which many of the films were made. People hang presents onto it still.
I think you've kind of misunderstood here - although anyone with higher RE training is welcome to differ - Buddhism has MANY THOUSANDS of forms, however these are not all Buddhism. I'm assuming you've come to the impression Shinto being a form of Buddhism from the phrase 'Shinto Buddhism'. If you were to hear 'Sikh Buddhism', would you assume Sikh to be a Buddhist form also?... Where you hear the name of one religion before 'buddhism' means that the follower(s) are Buddhists, but, as is allowed (and encouraged) within Buddhism, they also follow the other religion - other common examples are Tao Buddhism and Hindu Buddhism... I'm 99% sure, as Reavo said, Shinto is not a form of Buddhism, but rather a Japanese cultural 'religion' which can be followed without regard to Buddhist beliefs/intentions... Do correct me if I'm wrong though ^^
Not really - the majority of religions advocate this as well. Christianity has done (and still does in some areas). Islam does. Sikhism does. Almost all African religion has always contained religious sacrifices. The list goes on and on...
Overall it's not the religion advocating it, it's the particular leaders who have a political agenda, thats how its usually been. For example the power hungy pope who backed up Byzantium to further his own agenda in the first Crusade, The many Islamist leaders over the centuries basically starting their own islamic belief systems through their own interpretations of the Koran, forgot the spelling quo ran something blah. Same goes for most religions that took part in violent acts. This is basically an example of a person hijacking a religion, like the bin ladins, or pro death penalty christians.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
Not really - the majority of religions advocate this as well. Christianity has done (and still does in some areas). Islam does. Sikhism does. Almost all African religion has always contained religious sacrifices. The list goes on and on...
Judaic based religions have something called the ten commandments.
Thou shalt not kill. A lot of people like to skip over that one.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
Are you trying to tell me Bhuddist countries like India have never been in any wars, or have had comaparatively few? Who are you trying to kid?
Ghengis Khan was a Bhuddist.
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Bhudda was a member of the Warrior Caste.
No. To say that Shinto and Buddhism are the same because they merged in an area is wrong. That's like saying that native American religion and Christianity are the same because some native American's adopted some Christian practices into their ceremonies. It doesn't work that way. Pure Buddhism and pure Shintoism are not the same. They have different origins, practices, and teachings.
BTW, shrine worship = animism. I think that's the term you're looking for.
But I've never heard of pure Shintoism any more than I have ever heard of pure Taoism or pure Confuscianism.
In fact it is my understanding that there has never been any such thing.
Up until it's assimilation into Bhuddism, Shinto beliefs weren't pure at all, they weren't shared from village to village or structured in any way. It is a collective term used for the worshipping of local deities and shrines that existed in Japan before Bhuddism.
There is no such thing as "pure" Shinto. It has no scriptures, no set of core principles and no orthodoxy. Each Shrine and local belief is completely unconnected to the next. Shinto had no organisation at all until it became Shinto Bhuddism.
Wrong haha.
Women CAN be buddhist monks.
Wrong haha.
Women CAN be buddhist monks.
Only in certain forms I think you'll find...
"Bhuddist"?
What is a "bhuddist"?
On the other hand, Buddhism never had the political power like the pope had. Buddhist basic principles against such thing. Thus NO war was ordered by the buddhist temple or such. If any king who claim to believe in buddhism while started war, that's his problem, not the buddhism's. I can't speak for Christan...pope ordered crusaders.
Hey, I am talking it as an FACT.
Go ask any Chinese, you will find they have a word for the name of the female buddhist monks. And also another word just for their temples, different from male monks' temple.
And there was one funny saying I heard. First you need to know buddhist monks are not allowed to have marriage/sex.
So there was a funny joke saying from ages ago, it says if a male monks' temple is side by side with a female monks' temple, obivously there will be some kind of ... "trouble" lol...
As the Irish say, never trust a Catholic.
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yeah he doesn't realize that when the christan priests pass the plants around for donation in the church is the same thing. And you don't have to be a monk/priest to believe in a religion. The monks/priests are only very very small % of the believers. It's not like every single believer will feed on others. Some buddhist monks actually work for their living, such as grow their own food, or in Shaolin temple's case, they teach material arts.
(this is 10% tounge in cheek, but somewhat serious too) -- you miss that part?
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No. To say that Shinto and Buddhism are the same because they merged in an area is wrong. That's like saying that native American religion and Christianity are the same because some native American's adopted some Christian practices into their ceremonies. It doesn't work that way. Pure Buddhism and pure Shintoism are not the same. They have different origins, practices, and teachings.
BTW, shrine worship = animism. I think that's the term you're looking for.
But I've never heard of pure Shintoism any more than I have ever heard of pure Taoism or pure Confuscianism.
In fact it is my understanding that there has never been any such thing.
Up until it's assimilation into Bhuddism, Shinto beliefs weren't pure at all, they weren't shared from village to village or structured in any way. It is a collective term used for the worshipping of local deities and shrines that existed in Japan before Bhuddism.
There is no such thing as "pure" Shinto. It has no scriptures, no set of core principles and no orthodoxy. Each Shrine and local belief is completely unconnected to the next. Shinto had no organisation at all until it became Shinto Bhuddism.
Actually, according to http://www.ubfellowship.org/archive/readers/601_shinto.htm Shinto does have at least unifying characteristic, that being their loyalty to the Emperor and the greatness of Japan.
You are correct that it (Shinto) does not have and “scriptures” so to speak, but it does have common history (for lack of a better term) books.I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
Wrong again... Crusades were not started by the Pope persay... The king of Byzantine went to the pope and pleaded with him to come defend his land because the Muslim armies were taking it over... It originally had NOTHING to do with religion... The King of Byzantine went to the Pope because the only thing they had in common was their religion.... both believed in the judaic form...
So the pope made a choice to turn it into a holy war.. The Pope had many supporters... If you didn't Support HIS war... YOu became the immdiate enemy of Papacy and all his allies.... The Crusades were not one in whcih soldies and kings and princes were like... "..You know what? We are going to go kill muslims in the name of Big J.C... " ... They pretty much had no choice...
One man abused his power and influence to start a war... Dont blame that on Christianity... How is Buddhism more peacefull when they came up with a full form of martial arts ... KEY WORD MARTIAL!!! if you dont know what martial arts means look it up... I say you stop judging THE WHOLE religion of Christianity because of a war that was started by a MAN! not God... Because I do not judge Buddhism or Islam or anyother religion for what a minority of their people Do.
Monks are given some sort of control over temples in Buddhism... Christianity Gives no single man power to discern it's word... The word is OUT there for you to read and understand yourself... Jesus NEVER Said... "... Verily verily I say onto you, let my mouth piece in the world Be..umm... an italian man who likes pasta...." Imagination 3:19.
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