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ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391
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Thought crimes?!
http://www.ihr.org/news/030923Zundel.shtml


This is getting out of hand. How is a historian a threat to national security?!


Truth fears no investigation.

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  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356
    I guess Mel Gibson better not travel to Canada....
  • BlazinBladesBlazinBlades Member Posts: 1,214

    He seems like and interesting fella, what they should do for him is simple, they should take his wife and lock her up, at times during the cold winter they should soak her down with water and make her stand out in -25 weather until she almost dies, then starve her until she weights about 30 pounds, after all of that take her into a gas chamber and gas her to death which is very painful. After all is done take pictures of the whole event and show them to him and then tell him he is incorrect his wife did not die, she left him and ran off with another women.

    Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.

  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391

    Originally posted by BlazinBlades

    He seems like and interesting fella, what they should do for him is simple, they should take his wife and lock her up, at times during the cold winter they should soak her down with water and make her stand out in -25 weather until she almost dies, then starve her until she weights about 30 pounds, after all of that take her into a gas chamber and gas her to death which is very painful. After all is done take pictures of the whole event and show them to him and then tell him he is incorrect his wife did not die, she left him and ran off with another women.
    Random Savage Violence

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  • BlazinBladesBlazinBlades Member Posts: 1,214

    Random Savage violence is not the same as the purposeful planning genocide of people, which is what happened by the Nazis, it was not limited to just the Jews however, they were not the only ones who were slaughtered and murdered, so were Jehovah’s Witnesses, people with Handicaps, Gays and etc… Random Savage violence is what I saw in Ivory Coast, but it was not what I saw in Rwanda which had the same generic planning and execution for the extermination of a group of people, just like the Nazis did.

    Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.

  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    Frankly, were it not an idea forced into us from the earliest age as fact, everyone would consider the Shoah a theory. There is EASILY enough refuting evidence to establish reasonable doubt. The idea of locking him up here is ludacris, and it's this kind of behaviour that actually makes me feel resentment towards the Jews - NO i'm NOT an antisemitist, I have jewish friends and don't hold anything against their faith, it is just the attitude of those in 'power' within the Jewish faith that become tiresome.

    I also find it obsurd, insulting and in fact down-right idiotic that the US Ambassador to Iran actually considers their head of state to be insane - ignoring all other evidence - purely on the basis that he denies the Shoah took place. I've in fact just decided that from now on, those that deny that in 1992 I killed 1400 people singlehandedly at age 2, are clinically insane. You got that? (I'd watch your answer, aparently' I'm a mass-murderer).

    EDIT:Grammar -_-

  • LaserwolfLaserwolf Member Posts: 2,383

    Makes sense. A man who had nothing to do with the holocaust has his wife tortured and killed to teach him a lesson about claiming it did not happen.

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  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391

    Originally posted by BlazinBlades

    Random Savage violence is not the same as the purposeful planning genocide of people, which is what happened by the Nazis, it was not limited to just the Jews however, they were not the only ones who were slaughtered and murdered, so were Jehovah’s Witnesses, people with Handicaps, Gays and etc… Random Savage violence is what I saw in Ivory Coast, but it was not what I saw in Rwanda which had the same generic planning and execution for the extermination of a group of people, just like the Nazis did.
    Then let it be investigated without unleashing terror upon unsuspecting civilians. If its true then just let them make idiots out of themselves when its proven wrong.

    What i'm saying is by acting like this....what does that say about western democracy?

    The iranian president is using arguements like that to gain support for terrorism.

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  • BlazinBladesBlazinBlades Member Posts: 1,214

    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by BlazinBlades

    Random Savage violence is not the same as the purposeful planning genocide of people, which is what happened by the Nazis, it was not limited to just the Jews however, they were not the only ones who were slaughtered and murdered, so were Jehovah’s Witnesses, people with Handicaps, Gays and etc… Random Savage violence is what I saw in Ivory Coast, but it was not what I saw in Rwanda which had the same generic planning and execution for the extermination of a group of people, just like the Nazis did.
    Then let it be investigated without unleashing terror upon unsuspecting civilians. If its true then just let them make idiots out of themselves when its proven wrong.

    What i'm saying is by acting like this....what does that say about western democracy?

    The iranian president is using arguements like that to gain support for terrorism.

    What the Nazis did has been investigated and it has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, when you sit their and listen to certain people say “oh this could not have happen because of this” or “this did not take place because of this”, and then  you sit there and look at the photographs of what took place, you read the logs and records kept by the Nazis who described in detail everything that was happening, and you sit back and watch the old reel video recordings of it taking place, showing what’s being done and how it is being done, I think that the evidence stands on its own two feet very well. This individual is in prison, what evidence is there for him to be in prison is not known by any of us as of yet, he did commit a crime in Europe, he also falsified information to suit his own ideas, to me here in the United States, when a KKK member goes around falsifying information to suit their own agenda about Blacks and spreading it around, they do in fact get arrested and thrown in jail. I do not see to many people complaining about that when that takes place, and it has in fact taken place many times. Saying what the Nazis did to the Jews, Jehovah Witnesses and others is the same as we saying Blacks were never slaves, lets face it, there is less evidence proving that there were black slaves then there is of what the Nazis did..

    Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.

  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391
    I'd like to see these documents, i've never found anything on them.

    The official red cross report which is 1650 pages long says nothing about gas chambers and says 300,000 mostly of jewish descent were killed but mostly to typhus fever.


    Not to mention the documents that were at Nuremberg are doctored... "Shrunken head" and all that other nonsense.

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  • BlazinBladesBlazinBlades Member Posts: 1,214

    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    I'd like to see these documents, i've never found anything on them.

    The official red cross report which is 1650 pages long says nothing about gas chambers and says 300,000 mostly of jewish descent were killed but mostly to typhus fever.

    All you have to do is the research yourself, or better yet, you can also make a trip to German, and or Russia and or Israel. As I said, the evidence has been shown, the reports have been made in fact even if you don’t want to do any traveling why don’t you go out to the Library and rent yourself some historical Reel Video coverage they have them now on VHS and DVD and just that footage alone you will see the final product and end result of what the Nazis did. You can not deny that the evidence is not there, you can’t not deny that these things did not take place when it is even on video for you to watch, there are hundreds of thousands of pictures. As I said there is more evidence of what the Nazis did, then there is that Blacks were slaves.

    Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.

  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    Originally posted by BlazinBlades

    What the Nazis did has been investigated and it has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.
    Wrong. No it has not. There is a hell of a lot more than a shadow of a doubt. It's more like a solar eclipse.
     when you sit their and listen to certain people say “oh this could not have happen because of this” or “this did not take place because of this”, and then  you sit there and look at the photographs of what took place, you read the logs and records kept by the Nazis who described in detail everything that was happening, and you sit back and watch the old reel video recordings of it taking place, showing what’s being done and how it is being done, I think that the evidence stands on its own two feet very well.
    So does the evidence to support the THEORY behind Quantum Physics. That does not make it true.  The FIRST thing you're taught to evaluate in year 7 History when given a source is SCALE. There are a FEW (I emphasise 'few') diaries, yes. There are a couple of records, yes. There are some photographs, yes. But all that proves is in said photographs, sparse minutes of film, and OPINIONATED AND NOT PROVABLE DIARIES those events took place. Very few people dispute that Jews were put in concentration camps along with anti-Nazis, what is generally disputed is the assumption that 6 million jews were killed. The 'evidence' nowhere near brings this conclusion about. I'll give you my favourite piece of information, that completely rips apart the 6 million figure speculated.  The International Jewish Council (I forget the real name) that keeps records of all Jewish births and deaths recorded that at the end of 1945, there were 450,000 (from memory, I forget the exact figure) less Jews than there were in 1939. Explain that for me? Did they just have one huge f*ckfest for 6 years and have 5 and a half million children? I believe from the number of Jewish women at the time, each one would have had to have had 1.4 children PER YEAR in that time to bridge that gap (and that's not even possible). I'm not saying the Shoah didn't happen. I'm saying it needs investigation. And I mean TRUE, UNBIASED investigation (which could never really happen, but it's what we need).
    This individual is in prison, what evidence is there for him to be in prison is not known by any of us as of yet, he did commit a crime in Europe
    The crime in Europe was on a bogus law that no European I know agrees is worthwhile in society. The law is the equivalent of saying "denying that Dunkirk was a military victory is illegal."
    he also falsified information to suit his own ideas, to me here in the United States, when a KKK member goes around falsifying information to suit their own agenda about Blacks and spreading it around, they do in fact get arrested and thrown in jail. I do not see to many people complaining about that when that takes place, and it has in fact taken place many times. Saying what the Nazis did to the Jews, Jehovah Witnesses and others is the same as we saying Blacks were never slaves, lets face it, there is less evidence proving that there were black slaves then there is of what the Nazis did..
    As you said, we do not have the information to speculate properly on this. However it is clear he has not commited an act of terrorism, and should not be held against his human rights. Also, if you are right about falsifying evidence, that is still no grounds for his treatment (no chance for defence in a trial, no bail, no formal charges in 6 months etc.). Plus he was aquitted of those charges anyway, and the law was revoked - he has broken no law in Canada.

  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391
    I looked on the ADL and they even admit right on the site.



    There is no single Nazi document that expressly enumerates a "master plan" for the annihilation of European Jewry

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  • albinofreakalbinofreak Member Posts: 449

    Originally posted by BlazinBlades

    He seems like and interesting fella, what they should do for him is simple, they should take his wife and lock her up, at times during the cold winter they should soak her down with water and make her stand out in -25 weather until she almost dies, then starve her until she weights about 30 pounds, after all of that take her into a gas chamber and gas her to death which is very painful. After all is done take pictures of the whole event and show them to him and then tell him he is incorrect his wife did not die, she left him and ran off with another women.


    So you are just as filled with hate as they were, so you are no better than they are. I am sure you have relatives who suffered during the Holocaust, judging by your reaction, but doing these things to someone else doesnt make what they suffered go away... it just spreads hatred towards each other and that doesnt solve anything.

    His views are not ones I endorse. Denying the holocaust is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly do and people like him are seriously damaging the quality of life on Earth. However you should never imprison someone for what they believe. Then you are just as bad as the fascists we fought against in World War 2. He's an old man for Christ's sake. What is he going to do that is a threat to national security?

    But that article was poorly written and I thought this happened a few months ago. You shouldnt get your news from people who have such a clear agenda. "He's in prison because the Jews want him there." That's an appalling way to think and reveals the stupidity behind lots of people.

  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391
    Its not appalling if its true, Michael Chertoff (Dual israeli citizen yet for some reason head of homeland security) Is in charge of deportation, He wont deport a twice illegal alien offender hiding in a church yet he'll authorize the deportation of this historian.

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?!


    Edited for grammar.

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  • BlazinBladesBlazinBlades Member Posts: 1,214

    I guess everyone agrees to disagree, however with the German Government finally giving in and now Releasing its Holocaust Archives, we will finally get to see exactly what took place, we will soon be finding out whether the holocaust was true or not. For myself though, the way I look at it, if I were a country that has been accused of committing such a horrible crime as what Germany has been accused of, and I knew that I had a large archive that would prove that the Holocaust was a lie, then I would think they would have released it a long time ago. However if I did indeed have something to hide, or I was worried that these archives are going to prove that the Holocaust did indeed happen, and I may have to face more law suits for it, then yes I can understanding trying to hold back from releasing the documents for as long as I can. We shall soon find out exactly what the Nazis did or did not do. It should be very interesting, to see what comes out of it.

    Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.

  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391
    I also want to see pope pius's records too also before I make my conclusion.

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  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048

    Does anyone else see the sense of irony in this?

    Hitler would be quite proud as to how the Canadians government is acting...Quite proud.

    Thought crimes, eh? Ironic that they're acting like the very thing they're suppose to hate.

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  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391
    I think they're acting so suspicious and vicious about it because they've got something they're hiding.

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  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    If he denies Holocaust he should be locked up. Simple. One of the laws in Europe I find very good.

  • tetsultetsul Member Posts: 1,020

    Originally posted by Phoenixs
    If he denies Holocaust he should be locked up. Simple. One of the laws in Europe I find very good.

    I don't. If you're going to start locking up people for saying something stupid the Internet is going to get awfully quiet awfully fast. Sure I think the guy is an idiot but that shouldn't be a jailable offense.

  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646

    Originally posted by tetsul

    Originally posted by Phoenixs
    If he denies Holocaust he should be locked up. Simple. One of the laws in Europe I find very good.

    I don't. If you're going to start locking up people for saying something stupid the Internet is going to get awfully quiet awfully fast. Sure I think the guy is an idiot but that shouldn't be a jailable offense.

    I'm not talking about the internet.

    I'm talking about people in public who release books, do radio interviews and tv interviews where they denie that it has happened.
  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578

    Originally posted by Phoenixs
    I'm not talking about the internet.

    I'm talking about people in public who release books, do radio interviews and tv interviews where they denie that it has happened.


    Why though? What's the problem? He doesn't believe it happened... And? Prove that it did. I've already given you evidence that destroys the whole idea of 6 million. Plus no single document, video, letter or anything of the like has given solid evidence of this 'masterplan.' I'm glad holocaust denial is not a crime in Britain (at least, I do not think it is), it's the same as making denying that a military battle happened in the way written in 'Modern History' (a school syllabus text book) or saying you don't believe the Lee Harvey Oswald explanation given for Kennedy's assasination illegal. Please actually tell me WHY it's a bad thing to discuss and theorise. If the holocaust is true, where's the threat in letting people research it properly? Why do we need a law (that was introduced while some of those countries were still under martial law, I believe) to stop people proving a conclusion that's supposedly already true?
  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646


    It shouldn't be allowed to denie it because it's the worst thing man has ever done.

    And when it comes to evidence, well the evidence that holocaust happened is overwhelming. Specially the around 400 000 survivors that can witness that it happened is some pretty substantial evidence. The german goverment has also opened the archive, where it in detail is documented what happened to every single jewish person that was so unfortunate to fall under the hands of the germans. About 17 million fates, across about 50 million documents, are documented in that archive.




  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857
    If there was a master plan, only one man would have needed a hard copy of it, and it would have burned up with Hitler in the huge document fire. You dont need to hand out flyers about what you are going to do in the future to give orders to achieve it

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  • tetsultetsul Member Posts: 1,020

    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    Originally posted by tetsul

    Originally posted by Phoenixs
    If he denies Holocaust he should be locked up. Simple. One of the laws in Europe I find very good.

    I don't. If you're going to start locking up people for saying something stupid the Internet is going to get awfully quiet awfully fast. Sure I think the guy is an idiot but that shouldn't be a jailable offense.

    I'm not talking about the internet.

    I'm talking about people in public who release books, do radio interviews and tv interviews where they denie that it has happened.

    No, your talking about people going to jail for having a stupid opinion. Why should various extremist race groups and other ilk be considered freedom of speech while this particular nonsense is deserving of jail time? I'm under the mistaken belief that a crime should happen to go to jail, not spouting crap that shows the person for being the idiot he is.

    And it isn't the worst thing to happen to man, it's one of the worst in recent memory. You underestimate human history if you think that's the worst of all time.

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