(...) And it isn't the worst thing to happen to man, it's one of the worst in recent memory. You underestimate human history if you think that's the worst of all time.
It didn't say it was the worst thing to happen to man. I said is was the worst thing man has ever done.
Pheonix let me tell you something. 4,000,000 jews collect holocaust reperations from various european nations. German records only claim they had control of just over 6 million. If they killed 6 million, how are 4 million collecting reperations today?
Plus, 60,000,000 whites died in that war to Liberate jews even though the holocaust with modern research is debatable. Why don't they get nearly as much recognition?
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Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by tetsul
(...) And it isn't the worst thing to happen to man, it's one of the worst in recent memory. You underestimate human history if you think that's the worst of all time.
It didn't say it was the worst thing to happen to man. I said is was the worst thing man has ever done.
Originally posted by Zerogenum Pheonix let me tell you something. 4,000,000 jews collect holocaust reperations from various european nations. German records only claim they had control of just over 6 million. If they killed 6 million, how are 4 million collecting reperations today?
Plus, 60,000,000 whites died in that war to Liberate jews even though the holocaust with modern research is debatable. Why don't they get nearly as much recognition?
I did not know that being Jewish was consitered being a different race. WWII was fought to stop an evil little man in control of a very powerful army that was hell bent on world domination. It was not solely fought to "liberate jews", that was just one of the end results.
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
Originally posted by Zerogenum Pheonix let me tell you something. 4,000,000 jews collect holocaust reperations from various european nations. German records only claim they had control of just over 6 million. If they killed 6 million, how are 4 million collecting reperations today?
Plus, 60,000,000 whites died in that war to Liberate jews even though the holocaust with modern research is debatable. Why don't they get nearly as much recognition?
Do the words family, children and relatives say something to you.
But the Holocaust isn't debatable.
50 million documents. Pictures. Movies. 400 000 survivors + survivors of those who did it. The people that freed the camps.
That is overwhelming evidence. I have yet to see any worthy evidence against it.
The 60 million that died in WW2 didn't die to free the jews. The freeing of the concentration camps was a part of it. But the main thing these people did was defending their own countries from the german war machine. Noone really cared about the camps untill after the war.
And these people really get their recognition.
Originally posted by tetsul Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by tetsul
(...) And it isn't the worst thing to happen to man, it's one of the worst in recent memory. You underestimate human history if you think that's the worst of all time.
It didn't say it was the worst thing to happen to man. I said is was the worst thing man has ever done.
Semantics. It still isn't the worst thing done.
It is the worst thing done. Nowhere in human history you can find anything like this. You have religious cleansing, witch burning, massacres and wars. But none match the cruelty of the Holocaust.
Just the infrastructure the germans built up, just to kill the jews, is unmatched in human history.
Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by tetsul
(...) And it isn't the worst thing to happen to man, it's one of the worst in recent memory. You underestimate human history if you think that's the worst of all time.
It didn't say it was the worst thing to happen to man. I said is was the worst thing man has ever done.
Wow. You need to broaden your historical understanding a bit. You can stay within the same few decades and still completely irradicate the holocaust as the 'worst thing ever done by man'. Do some research on Soviet Russia. 50-150 million people were executed for not wanting to conform to the new regime. How many times does 6 go into 150?
You could also look into the figures resulting from the British Empire - I'm sure they're pretty damn horrific as well.
Then there's everything from all the decades before that. Total genocide of entire civilisations. The Jews were involved (as the victim normally) in a fair few of those as well.
Just because Steven Spielberg found it the easiest thing to put into a film does NOT make it the worst thing man has ever done.
Originally posted by Wantsumbier
I did not know that being Jewish was consitered being a different race.
a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2.
a population so related.
3.
Anthropology.
a.
any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.
an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.
a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4.
a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5.
any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6.
the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7.
Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8.
a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9.
any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons:Journalists are an interesting race.
Originally posted by tetsul Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by tetsul
(...) And it isn't the worst thing to happen to man, it's one of the worst in recent memory. You underestimate human history if you think that's the worst of all time.
It didn't say it was the worst thing to happen to man. I said is was the worst thing man has ever done.
Semantics. It still isn't the worst thing done.
It is the worst thing done. Nowhere in human history you can find anything like this. You have religious cleansing, witch burning, massacres and wars. But none match the cruelty of the Holocaust.
Just the infrastructure the germans built up, just to kill the jews, is unmatched in human history. Russia gulags, their mass starvation of Ukraine which at times lead to cannablism, Nanjing massacre, Unit 731, Khmer Rouge, Rwanda genocide... and those are just recent history ones off the top of my head. It's not THE worst because this isn't a competition, they're all bad. If someone says one of those didn't happen should they go to jail too or should they just be written off for being the terminally stunned they are?
Pheonixs i stated previously that the ADL themselelves admit on their site there are no documents of this "final solution". A study over a camp which was supposed to have a mass grave of 1 million + bodies using high powered radar found no evidence of a mass grave.
And they constantly attack and ban research because it keeps proving things wrong. At ernst zundels trial an engineer took samples of the bricks in auschwitz chambers and found no residue of cyanide and cyanide leaves a residue that is supposed to last 400 years.
Germany never attacked America. Do you know anything about post ww1 pre ww2? The polish massacre of german nationals in the danzig corridor? Thats how war with poland really broke out. I looked up every detail on it.
The reason the US came into the war is because we stopped selling scrap metal to japan and they needed it for their war with china. So they attacked and the mutual defense pact that japan and germany had brought them in.
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Originally posted by Zerogenum Germany never attacked America. Do you know anything about post ww1 pre ww2? The polish massacre of german nationals in the danzig corridor? Thats how war with poland really broke out. I looked up every detail on it.
I've not actually heard anything about this myself - I don't doubt its validity though - but could you shed some light on exactly what happened please?
The reason why I rank holocaust the worst thing man has done is not only because of the numbers. Yes Stalin killed alot of people, the certain number is unknown but the estimates are up to 40 million. That's not a small number and he is a good number 2.
But the germans tortured, conducted medical experiments, gassed and burned jews. Of the remains the produced soap and made clothing of their hair. Humans producing soap of other humans! That is why the Holocaust is unmatched. The cruelty and sickness of it all.
The others on that list where pleased when they just tortured and killed their victims.
Zerogenum:
There are 50 million documents, in detail describing what happened to 17 million jews. Where they where arrested, how they where transported, what camps they where in, what experiments they had to endure, where, when and how they died, if they did. How long they can last under inhuman conditions and more than enough other stuff.
That is proof enough for me. But I have also talked to one who experienced it, and visited 6 of the camps.
Originally posted by Khuzarrz Originally posted by Zerogenum Germany never attacked America. Do you know anything about post ww1 pre ww2? The polish massacre of german nationals in the danzig corridor? Thats how war with poland really broke out. I looked up every detail on it.
I've not actually heard anything about this myself - I don't doubt its validity though - but could you shed some light on exactly what happened please? Here is an article about that topic http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm
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Originally posted by Phoenixs The reason why I rank holocaust the worst thing man has done is not only because of the numbers. Yes Stalin killed alot of people, the certain number is unknown but the estimates are up to 40 million. That's not a small number and he is a good number 2.
But the germans tortured, conducted medical experiments, gassed and burned jews. Of the remains the produced soap and made clothing of their hair. Humans producing soap of other humans! That is why the Holocaust is unmatched. The cruelty and sickness of it all.
The others on that list where pleased when they just tortured and killed their victims.
Zerogenum:
There are 50 million documents, in detail describing what happened to 17 million jews. Where they where arrested, how they where transported, what camps they where in, what experiments they had to endure, where, when and how they died, if they did. How long they can last under inhuman conditions and more than enough other stuff.
That is proof enough for me. But I have also talked to one who experienced it, and visited 6 of the camps.
I see documents of arrests, sending to camps, but only claming over 6 million. They were to be deported to madagascar. since they said they would accept them.
Do you even know what got them all riled up in the first place? thats the real question.
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Originally posted by Phoenixs If he denies Holocaust he should be locked up. Simple. One of the laws in Europe I find very good.
This law has it purpose in the past. I don't think it serve a serious purpose anymore. If a lunatic is saying that their was no deportation of the frenchies acadians, or that their was no slavery or whatever silly, a strong law against such behavior would have it uses at the right moment, but now it is not necessary anymore.
Someone who deny the holocaust is opening himself for critic and to be considered a joke. That law serve it purpose back in time, to underline the gravity of the holocaust. But it serve no purpose anymore, we don't throw every lunatic into jail, no reason to throw him now.
As to saying that "Jews" want him in jail, I kinda doubt that. Maybe a few individuals who happen to be Jews might, but to label that on the "Jews at large", that is far worser than denying the holocaust in the present time, this is racism to say it is the Jews in general. This is false. I have many jews friends and I kinda start to understand some stuff, if you listen to the old jew guy who has irrational thoughs and is a lunatic himself, maybe you will want to throw this german old lunatic in jail, otherwise if you listen to anyone rational, nope. See, the guy who was leading the "Black league" around here was an awful sort, here in Quebec, talking about slavery with devotion and hatred? After some young men rape a girl, because they where black he support them, this guy was awful. If this can happen to the "Black community", I also think it can happen to the Jewish community.
"Shalom" (not sure I spell it right)
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Anofalye Originally posted by Phoenixs If he denies Holocaust he should be locked up. Simple. One of the laws in Europe I find very good.
This law has it purpose in the past. I don't think it serve a serious purpose anymore. If a lunatic is saying that their was no deportation of the frenchies acadians, or that their was no slavery or whatever silly, a strong law against such behavior would have it uses at the right moment, but now it is not necessary anymore.
Someone who deny the holocaust is opening himself for critic and to be considered a joke. That law serve it purpose back in time, to underline the gravity of the holocaust. But it serve no purpose anymore, we don't throw every lunatic into jail, no reason to throw him now.
As to saying that "Jews" want him in jail, I kinda doubt that. Maybe a few individuals who happen to be Jews might, but to label that on the "Jews at large", that is far worser than denying the holocaust in the present time, this is racism to say it is the Jews in general. This is false. I have many jews friends and I kinda start to understand some stuff, if you listen to the old jew guy who has irrational thoughs and is a lunatic himself, maybe you will want to throw this german old lunatic in jail, otherwise if you listen to anyone rational, nope. See, the guy who was leading the "Black league" around here was an awful sort, here in Quebec, talking about slavery with devotion and hatred? After some young men rape a girl, because they where black he support them, this guy was awful. If this can happen to the "Black community", I also think it can happen to the Jewish community.
"Shalom" (not sure I spell it right)
I already know the Jewish community is like this as a whole in general. Israel is the only country in the world that refuses to extradite its criminals to the nations which they commited their crimes. And it was Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who said "We must ensure a Jewish majority in Israel, or else the very notion of a jewish state is void"
Well to Ehud Olmert I say this. We must ensure an american majority in america or else the very notion of an american state is void. We must ensure a German majority in Germany or else the very notion of a German state is void.
Do you see where I am coming from yet?
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Originally posted by Zerogenum I looked on the ADL and they even admit right on the site.There is no single Nazi document that expressly enumerates a "master plan" for the annihilation of European Jewry
There are many, signed by Himmler. You will never have access to them though.
I am not going to get involved with this because I don't know enough about the documentation etc from the holocaust...but I'm just curious...is that an actual word?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Draenor Originally posted by Zerogenum Jewry
I am not going to get involved with this because I don't know enough about the documentation etc from the holocaust...but I'm just curious...is that an actual word?
I already know the Jewish community is like this as a whole in general.
Do you see where I am coming from yet?
This is racism sir.
As to wanting 1 state with a cultural majority, this is merely a wish for survival, how they do it and what they do is what matter. I see Isreal withdraw willingly from neighbor states on countless occasions. I see much goodwill from Israel, it is the peoples who want Israel to cease to exist that lack any form of goodwill, which bring Israel to have to take steps to defend itself, to assure it survival.
Israel COULD have decimated civilians populations, but not only don't they decimate them, they nurture them and help them developp (Gaza), in turn they are rewarded for this with terrorist attacks. Don't you think for 1 moment that Israel was bad or mean, they could have been, but they are very human and nice, trying to survive and developp the area.
In North America, in Canada, there are laws to ensure that the French community prosper and developp without been assimilated. Survival is a necessity sometimes. Neither Germany or the US is in a stake where it is at the survival level, however many US states are looking with keen interest in these laws, to maybe protect english in the near future. Not everyone has to believe in the Melting pot, and peoples have a right to survival.
"Shalom"
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Zerogenum I already know the Jewish community is like this as a whole in general.
Do you see where I am coming from yet?
This is racism sir. You got that right!!
As to wanting 1 state with a cultural majority, this is merely a wish for survival, how they do it and what they do is what matter. I see Isreal withdraw willingly from neighbor states on countless occasions. I see much goodwill from Israel, it is the peoples who want Israel to cease to exist that lack any form of goodwill, which bring Israel to have to take steps to defend itself, to assure it survival.
Israel COULD have decimated civilians populations, but not only don't they decimate them, they nurture them and help them developp (Gaza), in turn they are rewarded for this with terrorist attacks. Don't you think for 1 moment that Israel was bad or mean, they could have been, but they are very human and nice, trying to survive and developp the area.
In North America, in Canada, there are laws to ensure that the French community prosper and developp without been assimilated. Survival is a necessity sometimes. Neither Germany or the US is in a stake where it is at the survival level, however many US states are looking with keen interest in these laws, to maybe protect english in the near future. Not everyone has to believe in the Melting pot, and peoples have a right to survival.
"Shalom"
*Edit* I got tired of reading his posts. Good job with yours!
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
I already know the Jewish community is like this as a whole in general. Israel is the only country in the world that refuses to extradite its criminals to the nations which they commited their crimes. And it was Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who said "We must ensure a Jewish majority in Israel, or else the very notion of a jewish state is void"
Well to Ehud Olmert I say this. We must ensure an american majority in america or else the very notion of an american state is void. We must ensure a German majority in Germany or else the very notion of a German state is void.
Do you see where I am coming from yet?
It's been said before and I figured I'd jump in and say it again. "Jewish" is not a race. Neither is "Christian," "Muslim," or any other RELIGION. White is a race, as is black, chinese, latino, etc.
And I can prove this. Ready?
You can be a white, christian, american. You can also be a black, muslim, american. With that, you can be a white, jewish, american.
If you're logic was right, then it's impossible to be an American Jew, Christian, or Muslim. In fact, being American (or any other nationality), means you have no religion at all, since you seem to classify religion as race.
It's been said before and I figured I'd jump in and say it again. "Jewish" is not a race. Neither is "Christian," "Muslim," or any other RELIGION. White is a race, as is black, chinese, latino, etc.
And I can prove this. Ready?
You can be a white, christian, american. You can also be a black, muslim, american. With that, you can be a white, jewish, american.
If you're logic was right, then it's impossible to be an American Jew, Christian, or Muslim. In fact, being American (or any other nationality), means you have no religion at all, since you seem to classify religion as race.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. Jesus Christ, I already gave you the dictionary definition of 'race' earlier in the thread.
a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
[In the Jewish faith, noone can be Jewish if their mother is not Jewish (without LENGTHY, EXTENSIVE, and UNLIKELY proceedings involving the Jewish Courts - I believe it's a % of about 0.03% Jews are currently part of the faith through this process (I no longer have the book on it though, so feel free to laugh at my inability to accurately remember figures and prove me wrong... But either way, It's VERY small and totally insignificant). Thus, being Jewish is to be of common descent and heredity.]
2.
a population so related.
[See number 1]
3.
Anthropology.
a.
any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.
an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.
a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations
[If you are a Jewish male and you have a child with a non-jewish woman, your child is NOT jewish. Thus, the population IS partially isolated reproductively]
4.
a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
[Pretty self explanatory. Same as the previous 2 - Jewish children=Jewish mother=a 'tribe' for lack of a better word]
5.
any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
[Duh! I won't explain this one...]
6.
the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7.
Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8.
a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9.
any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons:Journalists are an interesting race.
[This is the one that is used in law generally in fact - despite the sh*tty example. Clearly, the Jews are a group. Thus if you discriminate against them, it is racism. The best way of understanding racism is that it is prejudice based on CULTURE. The Jews have a culture. Yes, the Americans also have a culture (kinda). And a Jew can be American, and have *gasp* BOTH cultures.]
Part of the above thread has turned black and wont seem to revert to white for me -_- Stupid buggy forums... Either way, just select it if you want to read the other definitions for race I did not use.
The Hofle telegram, declassified by the British earlier this decade, was an intercepted and decoded message from an SS officer Herman Hofle to SS officer Adolf Eichmann. It gave precise figures on the number of prisoner arrivals within a two week period to four death camps in the Reich, as well as total execution numbers for each camp for that year. Total dead, 1,274,166.
These numbers were verified in the later Korherr Report, written by Dr. Richard Korherr (statistitian and Nazi party member) on orders from Heinrich Himmler. It is a summary of Nazi extermination efforts, and Korherr calculated that by 1942 the Reich had executed 2,545,000 Jews, and forced the emigration of some 1.5 million Jews. Korherr further speculates that this number is conservative, having been based only on the number executed, and not slain due to conditions in the camps and ghettos. The report was so exacting that it listed nationalities of the murdered in exacting numbers, on a helpful and easy to read table listing the country, the total slain, and a nice percentage number to determine the slain group's position in the overall ratio.
Adolf Eichmann later confessed to using the report's information to help organize death camps. In effect it was information for logistics, how many railcars were needed, how many guards to a camp, details of that nature. The report became one of the most damning sources of evidence, demonstrating a calculated plan spanning across the Reich to enact genocide. It also demonstrates a shift in Nazi efforts, initially to force Jews to leave the country, and later to simply murder them. Korherr attempted to claim that the figures in the report are innaccurate, and that he did not understand that the people calculated were all dead, but he also argued with Himmler on many occasions on how to word several of the euphemisms for execution and forced migration, and this is certainly an effort to save his own skin in the aftermath.
Officers destroyed many records when it became clear Allied occupation of an area was inevitable, but even still a huge amount of paperwork from various death and concentration camps was captured in the camps or from various hqs or bunkers, due to swift advancement, surprise attack, or sheer dumb luck. These papers all verified that the camps were indeed executing their prisoners, and gave exacting details on numbers (as well as other stranger numbers, like numbers of shoes and gold taken from bodies). It is from these papers that historians feel confident estimating that AT LEAST 1 million jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone.
It should be noted that when the Nazis refered to a Jew it was by their definition, which was strict, and there were indeed many who were not what we would call 'jew' executed as such. The mass exodus of Jews from German territory, the removal of Jews in captured territory not originally German, and the strict definition of 'Jew' in Nazi idealogy helps explain why, even after the mass murder, there were sizable populations of Jews left after the war. By the Nazi's estimation in the Korherr report, they had slain roughly half of the Jewish population of Europe (total population estimated at over 10 million) by 1943.
The Germans were meticulous record keepers, it was through their own records that Nazi war criminals were often identified and tried.
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Plus, 60,000,000 whites died in that war to Liberate jews even though the holocaust with modern research is debatable. Why don't they get nearly as much recognition?
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Semantics. It still isn't the worst thing done.
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
But the Holocaust isn't debatable.
50 million documents.
Pictures.
Movies.
400 000 survivors + survivors of those who did it.
The people that freed the camps.
That is overwhelming evidence. I have yet to see any worthy evidence against it.
The 60 million that died in WW2 didn't die to free the jews. The freeing of the concentration camps was a part of it. But the main thing these people did was defending their own countries from the german war machine. Noone really cared about the camps untill after the war.
And these people really get their recognition. It didn't say it was the worst thing to happen to man. I said is was the worst thing man has ever done.
Semantics. It still isn't the worst thing done.
It is the worst thing done. Nowhere in human history you can find anything like this. You have religious cleansing, witch burning, massacres and wars. But none match the cruelty of the Holocaust.
Just the infrastructure the germans built up, just to kill the jews, is unmatched in human history.
Wow. You need to broaden your historical understanding a bit. You can stay within the same few decades and still completely irradicate the holocaust as the 'worst thing ever done by man'. Do some research on Soviet Russia. 50-150 million people were executed for not wanting to conform to the new regime. How many times does 6 go into 150?
You could also look into the figures resulting from the British Empire - I'm sure they're pretty damn horrific as well.
Then there's everything from all the decades before that. Total genocide of entire civilisations. The Jews were involved (as the victim normally) in a fair few of those as well.
Just because Steven Spielberg found it the easiest thing to put into a film does NOT make it the worst thing man has ever done.
Originally posted by Wantsumbier
I did not know that being Jewish was consitered being a different race.
It is.
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Anti-semitism is a form of racism.
^^
Semantics. It still isn't the worst thing done.
It is the worst thing done. Nowhere in human history you can find anything like this. You have religious cleansing, witch burning, massacres and wars. But none match the cruelty of the Holocaust.
Just the infrastructure the germans built up, just to kill the jews, is unmatched in human history.
Russia gulags, their mass starvation of Ukraine which at times lead to cannablism, Nanjing massacre, Unit 731, Khmer Rouge, Rwanda genocide... and those are just recent history ones off the top of my head. It's not THE worst because this isn't a competition, they're all bad. If someone says one of those didn't happen should they go to jail too or should they just be written off for being the terminally stunned they are?
And they constantly attack and ban research because it keeps proving things wrong. At ernst zundels trial an engineer took samples of the bricks in auschwitz chambers and found no residue of cyanide and cyanide leaves a residue that is supposed to last 400 years.
Germany never attacked America. Do you know anything about post ww1 pre ww2? The polish massacre of german nationals in the danzig corridor? Thats how war with poland really broke out. I looked up every detail on it.
The reason the US came into the war is because we stopped selling scrap metal to japan and they needed it for their war with china. So they attacked and the mutual defense pact that japan and germany had brought them in.
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The reason why I rank holocaust the worst thing man has done is not only because of the numbers. Yes Stalin killed alot of people, the certain number is unknown but the estimates are up to 40 million. That's not a small number and he is a good number 2.
But the germans tortured, conducted medical experiments, gassed and burned jews. Of the remains the produced soap and made clothing of their hair. Humans producing soap of other humans! That is why the Holocaust is unmatched. The cruelty and sickness of it all.
The others on that list where pleased when they just tortured and killed their victims.
Zerogenum:
There are 50 million documents, in detail describing what happened to 17 million jews. Where they where arrested, how they where transported, what camps they where in, what experiments they had to endure, where, when and how they died, if they did. How long they can last under inhuman conditions and more than enough other stuff.
That is proof enough for me. But I have also talked to one who experienced it, and visited 6 of the camps.
Here is an article about that topic
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm
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Do you even know what got them all riled up in the first place? thats the real question.
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Oh...
Dude where did you get history education? At the Ku Klux Clan or some Neo Nazi party?
You are seriously way off.
Oh...
Dude where did you get history education? At the Ku Klux Clan or some Neo Nazi party?
You are seriously way off.
No not really.... And lets not get into these labels for white people. It really gets me agitated.
And i'm not way off.
you know, theres a saying i like to remember when people start acting like this, throwing labels in attempts to silence.
"If you want to know who rules a society simple ask who it is you cannot critizize"
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This law has it purpose in the past. I don't think it serve a serious purpose anymore. If a lunatic is saying that their was no deportation of the frenchies acadians, or that their was no slavery or whatever silly, a strong law against such behavior would have it uses at the right moment, but now it is not necessary anymore.
Someone who deny the holocaust is opening himself for critic and to be considered a joke. That law serve it purpose back in time, to underline the gravity of the holocaust. But it serve no purpose anymore, we don't throw every lunatic into jail, no reason to throw him now.
As to saying that "Jews" want him in jail, I kinda doubt that. Maybe a few individuals who happen to be Jews might, but to label that on the "Jews at large", that is far worser than denying the holocaust in the present time, this is racism to say it is the Jews in general. This is false. I have many jews friends and I kinda start to understand some stuff, if you listen to the old jew guy who has irrational thoughs and is a lunatic himself, maybe you will want to throw this german old lunatic in jail, otherwise if you listen to anyone rational, nope. See, the guy who was leading the "Black league" around here was an awful sort, here in Quebec, talking about slavery with devotion and hatred? After some young men rape a girl, because they where black he support them, this guy was awful. If this can happen to the "Black community", I also think it can happen to the Jewish community.
"Shalom" (not sure I spell it right)
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
This law has it purpose in the past. I don't think it serve a serious purpose anymore. If a lunatic is saying that their was no deportation of the frenchies acadians, or that their was no slavery or whatever silly, a strong law against such behavior would have it uses at the right moment, but now it is not necessary anymore.
Someone who deny the holocaust is opening himself for critic and to be considered a joke. That law serve it purpose back in time, to underline the gravity of the holocaust. But it serve no purpose anymore, we don't throw every lunatic into jail, no reason to throw him now.
As to saying that "Jews" want him in jail, I kinda doubt that. Maybe a few individuals who happen to be Jews might, but to label that on the "Jews at large", that is far worser than denying the holocaust in the present time, this is racism to say it is the Jews in general. This is false. I have many jews friends and I kinda start to understand some stuff, if you listen to the old jew guy who has irrational thoughs and is a lunatic himself, maybe you will want to throw this german old lunatic in jail, otherwise if you listen to anyone rational, nope. See, the guy who was leading the "Black league" around here was an awful sort, here in Quebec, talking about slavery with devotion and hatred? After some young men rape a girl, because they where black he support them, this guy was awful. If this can happen to the "Black community", I also think it can happen to the Jewish community.
"Shalom" (not sure I spell it right)
I already know the Jewish community is like this as a whole in general. Israel is the only country in the world that refuses to extradite its criminals to the nations which they commited their crimes. And it was Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who said "We must ensure a Jewish majority in Israel, or else the very notion of a jewish state is void"
Well to Ehud Olmert I say this. We must ensure an american majority in america or else the very notion of an american state is void. We must ensure a German majority in Germany or else the very notion of a German state is void.
Do you see where I am coming from yet?
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There are many, signed by Himmler.
You will never have access to them though.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jewry
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
This is racism sir.
As to wanting 1 state with a cultural majority, this is merely a wish for survival, how they do it and what they do is what matter. I see Isreal withdraw willingly from neighbor states on countless occasions. I see much goodwill from Israel, it is the peoples who want Israel to cease to exist that lack any form of goodwill, which bring Israel to have to take steps to defend itself, to assure it survival.
Israel COULD have decimated civilians populations, but not only don't they decimate them, they nurture them and help them developp (Gaza), in turn they are rewarded for this with terrorist attacks. Don't you think for 1 moment that Israel was bad or mean, they could have been, but they are very human and nice, trying to survive and developp the area.
In North America, in Canada, there are laws to ensure that the French community prosper and developp without been assimilated. Survival is a necessity sometimes. Neither Germany or the US is in a stake where it is at the survival level, however many US states are looking with keen interest in these laws, to maybe protect english in the near future. Not everyone has to believe in the Melting pot, and peoples have a right to survival.
"Shalom"
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
This is racism sir. You got that right!!
As to wanting 1 state with a cultural majority, this is merely a wish for survival, how they do it and what they do is what matter. I see Isreal withdraw willingly from neighbor states on countless occasions. I see much goodwill from Israel, it is the peoples who want Israel to cease to exist that lack any form of goodwill, which bring Israel to have to take steps to defend itself, to assure it survival.
Israel COULD have decimated civilians populations, but not only don't they decimate them, they nurture them and help them developp (Gaza), in turn they are rewarded for this with terrorist attacks. Don't you think for 1 moment that Israel was bad or mean, they could have been, but they are very human and nice, trying to survive and developp the area.
In North America, in Canada, there are laws to ensure that the French community prosper and developp without been assimilated. Survival is a necessity sometimes. Neither Germany or the US is in a stake where it is at the survival level, however many US states are looking with keen interest in these laws, to maybe protect english in the near future. Not everyone has to believe in the Melting pot, and peoples have a right to survival.
"Shalom"
*Edit* I got tired of reading his posts. Good job with yours!
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
It's been said before and I figured I'd jump in and say it again. "Jewish" is not a race. Neither is "Christian," "Muslim," or any other RELIGION. White is a race, as is black, chinese, latino, etc.
And I can prove this. Ready?
You can be a white, christian, american. You can also be a black, muslim, american. With that, you can be a white, jewish, american.
If you're logic was right, then it's impossible to be an American Jew, Christian, or Muslim. In fact, being American (or any other nationality), means you have no religion at all, since you seem to classify religion as race.
It's been said before and I figured I'd jump in and say it again. "Jewish" is not a race. Neither is "Christian," "Muslim," or any other RELIGION. White is a race, as is black, chinese, latino, etc.
And I can prove this. Ready?
You can be a white, christian, american. You can also be a black, muslim, american. With that, you can be a white, jewish, american.
If you're logic was right, then it's impossible to be an American Jew, Christian, or Muslim. In fact, being American (or any other nationality), means you have no religion at all, since you seem to classify religion as race.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. Jesus Christ, I already gave you the dictionary definition of 'race' earlier in the thread.
race2? /re?s/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reys] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations
[If you are a Jewish male and you have a child with a non-jewish woman, your child is NOT jewish. Thus, the population IS partially isolated reproductively]
The Hofle telegram, declassified by the British earlier this decade, was an intercepted and decoded message from an SS officer Herman Hofle to SS officer Adolf Eichmann. It gave precise figures on the number of prisoner arrivals within a two week period to four death camps in the Reich, as well as total execution numbers for each camp for that year. Total dead, 1,274,166.
These numbers were verified in the later Korherr Report, written by Dr. Richard Korherr (statistitian and Nazi party member) on orders from Heinrich Himmler. It is a summary of Nazi extermination efforts, and Korherr calculated that by 1942 the Reich had executed 2,545,000 Jews, and forced the emigration of some 1.5 million Jews. Korherr further speculates that this number is conservative, having been based only on the number executed, and not slain due to conditions in the camps and ghettos. The report was so exacting that it listed nationalities of the murdered in exacting numbers, on a helpful and easy to read table listing the country, the total slain, and a nice percentage number to determine the slain group's position in the overall ratio.
Adolf Eichmann later confessed to using the report's information to help organize death camps. In effect it was information for logistics, how many railcars were needed, how many guards to a camp, details of that nature. The report became one of the most damning sources of evidence, demonstrating a calculated plan spanning across the Reich to enact genocide. It also demonstrates a shift in Nazi efforts, initially to force Jews to leave the country, and later to simply murder them. Korherr attempted to claim that the figures in the report are innaccurate, and that he did not understand that the people calculated were all dead, but he also argued with Himmler on many occasions on how to word several of the euphemisms for execution and forced migration, and this is certainly an effort to save his own skin in the aftermath.
Officers destroyed many records when it became clear Allied occupation of an area was inevitable, but even still a huge amount of paperwork from various death and concentration camps was captured in the camps or from various hqs or bunkers, due to swift advancement, surprise attack, or sheer dumb luck. These papers all verified that the camps were indeed executing their prisoners, and gave exacting details on numbers (as well as other stranger numbers, like numbers of shoes and gold taken from bodies). It is from these papers that historians feel confident estimating that AT LEAST 1 million jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone.
It should be noted that when the Nazis refered to a Jew it was by their definition, which was strict, and there were indeed many who were not what we would call 'jew' executed as such. The mass exodus of Jews from German territory, the removal of Jews in captured territory not originally German, and the strict definition of 'Jew' in Nazi idealogy helps explain why, even after the mass murder, there were sizable populations of Jews left after the war. By the Nazi's estimation in the Korherr report, they had slain roughly half of the Jewish population of Europe (total population estimated at over 10 million) by 1943.
The Germans were meticulous record keepers, it was through their own records that Nazi war criminals were often identified and tried.