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You ignored his point. The fact is there are thousands of beta testers and I've only heard a handful of unhappy ones. If the game was so bad there would be hundreds of NDA breakers just even here on this board. There aren't, so lots of people must be enjoying their time in Vanguard beta.
Also, beta testers are made to sign a legal contract stating that they will not violate an NDA. Believing what those people say is like buying stock in Enron.
tons of negative leaks on beta 3. But there are. Unfortunately, it's a
violation of the Rules of Conduct to link to any of them from within
this forum. But they are out there if you look for them. They're
honestly not hard to find.
was hard for me
But that person has a point. Theres not a whole lot of negativity, and
considering how many thousands of players there are... thats
good going. But the important thing to me, is that alot of what some of
these negative people say (ive seen some) seems very un-justified (for
want of a better expression). Ive seen things like, "i walked for miles
and saw no mobs! This game sux!". Well... its beta.... you probably
walked through a none populated area!
Theres still a few areas like that left... But they are adding stuff
all the time. Just watch the movies. Theres people running around with a train behind them, areas of skellys, areas of undead type things. And in one movie theres some part of the world i saw with TONS of mobs. Like... enough to support several groups in just one area. Also, some of these negative
feedbackers, im pretty convinced have never played the game at all, and
they are just making things up. Im not sure why they would do that but
i can think of a few reasons.. But its pretty obvious when you read
some of things these people say.
Also, i think alot of people dont understand this beta process. Its not
like other games. Other games have a beta that lasts a couple of months
and then its finished and on the shelf.... Vanguard beta is enormous.
Its been going for about a year (i think - maybe even more) and theres still many months left. It gets
added to in chunks too. BIG chunks. So someone might be playing
yesterday and think, "hmm this area is kind of dead..." and then they
log in today and think, "WOW! Look at all this stuff!".
With all the group dependencies in Vanguard, I
don't think Vanguard is going to be the game for you. Though it is
theoretically possible according to the laws of physics for a person to
solo level in Vanguard (if they're unemployed and can play 12 hours a
day), it will not be FUN. You will be LFG'ing and attending scheduled
meetings in order to complete quests that require a group because the
mobs are group content. Vanbois find EQ2 to be solo friendly, so I
believe Vanguard is going to be much, much, worse that whatever you
experienced in EQ2.
Its not EQ2 though. They where never interested in soloers during beta
and it scared me. And sure enough... at release there was very little
scope for soloers. But the game went from having very little solo
content to having way too much, and they boosted the solo exp hugely.
They have alraedy explained to us how much solo content there will be
in Vanguard, and theres plenty. But like EQ.... the solo content is
just what they THINK we can handle
The chances are, solo players will end up being able to take on some of
the group stuff by themselves too. And like i said in my big post on
the last page, 20% solo content in a game like early EQ would be a few
big-ish zones. 20% solo content in Vanguard will probably be the size
of the entire early EQ world
It's good to see that some things never change....
...some people's bad god damned attitude about just about everything.
Nobody here has any reason to believe differently (though reason to be skeptical) that Vanguard will offer anything other than what they have broadcasted. Certainly, you can debate to what extent they will deliver...but for some people to advertise that there is some sick plot by Brad and Company to release a Hardcore game Masqurading as a Casual game in some evil ploy to take over the world and then sell it to SOE is simply....rediculous.
I definately wouldn't suggest taking Brad's word as gospel. At least not until he starts walking on water and curing people of cancer...But I would give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until I see otherwise.
If Brad here says we can solo, I'd believe him...he's makin' the game, right? I might not agree as to the extent that I can solo or exactly how fun I think soloing is...but I bet that if he says that I can, I can. Either way.... I suggest getting your information (strict facts) from the sourse instead of getting it second hand. You're at least aware of Brad and Co.'s agenda...they are trying to sell you something. Take what they give use it as you see fit and make your decision from there.
To the degree that you blame SOE for the demise of SWG (like I do), then you should read http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948 "SOE Will Buy Sigil Eventually". The co-marketing relationship could be the prelude to SOE buying out Sigil 12 to 18 months down the road. Sigil does not deny that this is a possibility.
You ignored his point. The fact is there are thousands of beta testers and I've only heard a handful of unhappy ones.
I'm seeing more than a handful.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one since it's a violation of the Rules of Conduct to link to any NDA-breaking posts about the Vanguard beta or to disclose any information from an NDA leak. As such, I can't "prove" to you with "evidence" how I am right and you are wrong in this forum.
I stand by my position that in beta 3, I am finding on the Internet plenty of leaks very critical of the game.
I don't see why you need to get to max level in 10 days played in order to have fun. If that happens, it would be exactly like WoW....people will get to max level and either have to raid or start over. No thanks.
I'd rather take my time with a game and always have that next level to reach for a year or two and always have goals I'd like to accomplish in game (be it any of the spheres). All this providing that there is enough interesting content to support these play habits.
Besides....Beta has been goin' on for around a year or so now? I thought they already had some people solo to max level by the end of Beta 2.5. Thought I read that somewhere.
To the degree that you blame SOE for the demise of SWG (like I do), then you should read http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948 "SOE Will Buy Sigil Eventually". The co-marketing relationship could be the prelude to SOE buying out Sigil 12 to 18 months down the road. Sigil does not deny that this is a possibility.
Similar to how one might not deny that it is possible for green pigs to fly, beings that there are no green pigs.
To the degree that you blame SOE for the demise of SWG (like I do), then you should read http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948 "SOE
Will Buy Sigil Eventually". The co-marketing relationship could be the
prelude to SOE buying out Sigil 12 to 18 months down the road. Sigil
does not deny that this is a possibility.
Yes they do
to Sigil and we "Have his word on it". He isn't going to break his word
over something important like that to a community of hundreds of
thousands of people..
p.s. I'll look for the quote
I'm seeing more than a handful.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one since it's a violation of the Rules of Conduct to link to any NDA-breaking posts about the Vanguard beta or to disclose any information from an NDA leak. As such, I can't "prove" to you with "evidence" how I am right and you are wrong in this forum.
I stand by my position that in beta 3, I am finding on the Internet plenty of leaks very critical of the game.
Could you send some to me by PM? Its not that i dont believe you, but i would really like to see some, and ive tried searching myself and couldnt find much at all
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
SOE do NOT own the IP. Thats the whole point. Sigil own it all. The only thing SOE have is a PART ownership of the publishing rights. They are "co-publisher" and as such only have something to do with marketing, distribution of the boxes, hosting the servers etc. And its not even full control over that... as a CO-publisher, Sigil still have a say in all that.
But in reguards to the actual game, and its gameplay. Sigil has 100% ownership and control.
So he aint going to put himself in the
same position all over again by selling to SOE :P He has his own game
development company now, and a killer game to start with. He is going
to be holding on to this no matter what.
As for the quotes, im still looking for the new one, but heres the old one:
Originally Posted by Brad McQuaid - CEO, Sigil Games Online
I left SOE years ago because I wasn't in a position to be hands on making games anymore. That's why Sigil was founded.
Selling out would put me back in the same place I was before: not
making games. Making MMOGs makes me happy. I love Vanguard and intend
to see the game through, long past launch. We have so much planned for
the game after launch -- I've hinted at much of it.
Why would I do anything to jeoprodize what I have now? This new deal
now even gives us (which includes me) even MORE authority and autonomy.
This makes me even happier.
Seriously, think about what you are saying -- it doesn't make sense and it doesn't fit my track record and personality.
I'll find the other quote and post it, but in the meantime, anyone concerned about SOE, should read this:
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51405
It explains everything, and should calm any fears about that.
...Pika
To the degree that you blame SOE for the demise of SWG (like I do), then you should read http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948 "SOE Will Buy Sigil Eventually". The co-marketing relationship could be the prelude to SOE buying out Sigil 12 to 18 months down the road. Sigil does not deny that this is a possibility.
Yes they do
p.s. I'll look for the quote
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Please provide the quote on that. I think you will find that you have misinterpreted/misrecollected the actual quote. He may have given his word that in the co-marketing relationship Sigil will have final dev say, but in the case of a buy-out, his word is meaningless since SOE will legally own Sigil's IP.
Most recent...
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71458&page=3
Latest hints:
Unofficially, a 3.0, 2 gigs, and an x1800 or higher (or nvidia equivalent) plus pci-express and a fast FSB would be the high mark.
though. Its on Unreal Engine 2 modified to 2.5. So they can upgrade to
Unreal Engine 3 when they are ready
then.. But at the moment it looks awesome but it also works on a
current PC if you spend enough. Brad recorded a movie on his PC and it
was at max settings, and the PC wasn't that extreme.
It works on a mediocre P4 or less, with 512mb ram and a junky graphics card
But to get it looking awesome you will have to have better. The only
requirements we know so far, are WinXP (or better) and a graphics card
with version 2.0 shaders.
Some of the movies where recorded on a PC similar to this: AMD64 4200,
2gig of RAM, Geforce 7800GTX. And it looked REALLY good on that. It
wasn't too far from maximum settings too
nowdays, although the 2gig is maybe a bit above average. And some where
recorded on a similar PC but with a P4 3gig. By the time the game is
released though, all this stuff is going to be bargain equipment so we
can pick it up for a great price. Or get something even better and run
the game on maximum everything
P.S.
Thanks for posting that quote. There was actually another one i was thinking of, but still havnt found it yet. That quote you quoted is good though. I think that, combined with the FAQ should be enough to calm anyones fears of Sigil losing control. Its just not gunna happen.
If crafting in Vanguard stays true to its FAQ, I think it will be quite interesting.
Simply because, if all you want to do is solo/group, then why enforce crafting on such a player? I can cope with it, bear it, will I like it? I doubt it, I never did in the past, the only reason I will craft in any game is for the edges it gave in grouping or soloing, because these are the 2 gameplays I enjoy. Enforcing other gameplays is always a mistake, yet I can cope with some...I won't cope with other such as PvP or Raiding. And now that peoples KNOW what raiding is (which wasn't the case back with EQ), most won't cope with raiding either.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
PC Gamer no 152 :
IN-DEPTH PREVIEW :
VANGUARD
The world's first true WoW Killer ?
they don't state if it's a WoW killer, they try to find out.
eqnext.wikia.com
PC Gamer no 152 :
IN-DEPTH PREVIEW :
VANGUARD
The world's first true WoW Killer ?
they don't state if it's a WoW killer, they try to find out.
Yep. And for absolute clarity, that is not an ad placed by us, but text placed by them on their cover and then they do their own preview of the game inside the mag.
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Brad McQuaid
CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
www.pantheonmmo.com
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IN-DEPTH PREVIEW :
VANGUARD
The world's first true WoW Killer ?
they don't state if it's a WoW killer, they try to find out.
Yep. And for absolute clarity, that is not an ad placed by us, but text placed by them on their cover and then they do their own preview of the game inside the mag.
Exactly, and why did they do this? It's a magazine! They want to sell copies and stir up discussion. And then some intertroll tells people this is part of the Sigil PR campaign. UGH!
jonaku, ofcource sigil isn't going to deny that someday they might sell the company. just because they don't rule out that possibility doesn't mean that they are going to be selling to soe.
for all we know Microsoft could buy the company, why do you automatically assume that it would have to be soe? and why do you automatically assume that just because soe is co-publishing vanguard then that automatically increases the chances of sigil being bought by soe?
why did we not hear all of you anti-soe lunatics complain about this before the soe/vanguard announcement? any company can possibly be buying sigil in the future, not just soe.
and while we are at it, jonaku why don't you provide me with a link from any of the other big successful mmog companies where they guarantee they will never sell their company?
don't post a mythic link, they already sold to EA.... why don't you go complain about that to?
It was thanks to the NDA breakers of late beta D&L and Mourning that people were thankfully scared away from those 2 disastrous flops. People broke NDA on WOW to say how awesome it was. Yes, it's illegal to break NDA, but let's not be reductionist and assume a black & white world in which all crimes are equally demented. Yes, they broke NDA, but that doesn't mean they're scum of the earth pedophiles who pathologically lie about everything.
To the degree that you blame SOE for the demise of SWG (like I do), then you should read http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948 "SOE Will Buy Sigil Eventually". The co-marketing relationship could be the prelude to SOE buying out Sigil 12 to 18 months down the road. Sigil does not deny that this is a possibility.
Yes they do
p.s. I'll look for the quote
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Please provide the quote on that. I think you will find that you have misinterpreted/misrecollected the actual quote. He may have given his word that in the co-marketing relationship Sigil will have final dev say, but in the case of a buy-out, his word is meaningless since SOE will legally own Sigil's IP.
Most recent...
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71458&page=3
Vengeful's quote in no way addresses the issue. All it does is describe how responsibilities are split between SOE and Sigil.
In this thread http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51136, Jon Grande, the VP of Business Development, has twice said that it is possible that SOE may someday acquire Sigil. He says it's unlikely to happen, but he is very careful to explicitly say that is a possibility... twice.
If SOE buys out Sigil, then people like Grande could probably retire as millionaires from this one transaction. The fact is that McQuaid has called Smedley one of his best friends. Many times, before an M&A happens, 2 companies will engage in a strategic partnership so that high level executives from both sides will get to know each other and develop trust before a full on acquisition happens.
See http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948 for more information.
[quote]Originally posted by jonaku
Vengeful's quote in no way addresses the issue. All it does is describe how responsibilities are split between SOE and Sigil.
In this thread http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51136, Jon Grande, the VP of Business Development, has twice said that it is possible that SOE may someday acquire Sigil. He says it's unlikely to happen, but he is very careful to explicitly say that is a possibility... twice.
If SOE buys out Sigil, then people like Grande could probably retire as millionaires from this one transaction. The fact is that McQuaid has called Smedley one of his best friends. Many times, before an M&A happens, 2 companies will engage in a strategic partnership so that high level executives from both sides will get to know each other and develop trust before a full on acquisition happens.
See [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/79948] for more information.
[/quote]
yes its a possibility jonaku, just like it is possible that someday you might give up on your ant-soe crusade, however unlikely but it could happen.
this is a busniess....do you really expect them to guarantee you that they will never sell their company? you are not being realistic, not only do you want the game to be catered just for you....but you want them to guarantee you that they will never sell their company, a company and a game they created not you....how selfish is that?