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I liked it better when Sigil was clear on their vision with a "take it or leave it" attitude. This backsliding, if you want to call it that, isn't fooling anyone. It has been clear, and still is clear, that Vanguard will very much be an EQ-esque game, and frankly, there is nothing wrong with that.
Sure you can solo, and some folks may even like to solo in this game. Sure you can play it casually. And sure, if you want to do those two things, you can forget about 80% of the game.
Vanguard isn't going to be for everyone. Frankly, it has always looked like it wouldn't be for me. I have yet to decide if i would buy it. I might try open beta, given the opportunity.
But if it's not for you, well, move on. This is going to be a very good game, even if it isn't right for a lot of folks.
indeed, that is what they are telling us at least.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes ...
I have to admit this guy(Brad Mcquaid) doesnt look like chairman or ceo of vanguard... sound more of a fan boy of vanguard .You post doesnt look profesional at all, relax man dont worry i'm going to give a game a try and so are ppl of WOW/FFXI/D&D ect and ect... you know how it is... new game! almost every mmorpg fan going to check this game out. And if you are in fact what your claming to be then try to answer more profesional.I'm not trying to put you down im just saying that it look fake anyway, yea yea some of my spelling suck i need to work on that... but im not claming to be a a english teacher
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/member.php?userid=7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_McQuaid
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Thank you for the post Brad. I think it's freaking hilarious how the first flamer was identified by name BEFORE he started posting. That guy must have very little to do with his time.
I for one can't wait for this game. I'd beg for an invite, but I realize you've been asked about a half million times.
Sorry, not buying it this time. You suckered me once. Won't happen again. When you get to a place where 'next generation' doesn't mean shaders and graphics they don't even make systems that can yet display, and when the mechanics aren't all based on the mantra of infinite loyalty to the Red Queen, maybe then... of course, I'm not holding my breath.
The only truth here is that this game is no different or better than any other of the 'carrot and stick' crap being set out here. Damn sad when an entire industry is so busy killing its own longevity in the name of the fast buck.
Which would put it on a 4 year dev cycle. That honestly does not sound like a fast buck, but don't forget Sigil has FULL CONTROL over Vanguard, so SOE will not be able to force them to release the game.
Which would put it on a 4 year dev cycle. That honestly does not sound like a fast buck, but don't forget Sigil has FULL CONTROL over Vanguard, so SOE will not be able to force them to release the game.
If I were speaking of the dev cycle, I'd say that. The average lifespan of an MMO game is 3 - 5 years. For an industry that's almost 15 years old now, to have successfully managed to avoid extending that number is actually quite sad.
From all I can see, it's just the same tired mechanics in a pretty, new candy shell. For those like me who actually want to see progress beyond Red Queen mechanics and the developer/publisher search for the holy grail of a three year subscriber forecast (as opposed to the possible lifetime one, for example), it remains a profound disappointment.
This is one of the ones to watch, the team has pedigree, the design philosophies and aims are all far better developed than most other MMO's current or close to release, and Sony is only pressing the boxes and providing the servers - both of which they do quite adequately, not controlling the game dynamics, which is reassuring.
God Brad... you lowered yourself even here, i must say tho, that i do not belive that this post is made by the real Brad, even tho, your own videos SUCKS no movility, no flow on movements, looks PLAIN UGLY, no rendering from surfaces... just glowing from metalic objects, Crappy efects, sounds are just so so, WHATS WITH THE UTILIZATION OF DX10? didnt the flow control did nothing for you guys? wasnt supposed that you would be releazing alongside with vista arround jan of next year? god, seriously you talked about "We plan on not making a failure of 20 million dollars..." what a crap... dude, you seriously dissapointed me.
Really tho, i hope you guys understand that this falacious post has to end, and please ask for a real 3 years work....
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Heard that you can't solo or play casually? False
Heard that the best items are only available via raids? False.
So I as a soloer, can be self sufficient, harvesting all crafting materials that exist, without relying on any assistance or dependency on others, can craft items equallly as good in every category as items than can be found in raid content?
or
I as a soloer, can solo mobs that drop items equally as good in every category as those that can be found in raid content?
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
Run it again, read the information on the header, and understand these arnt artificially polished faked up publicity videos.
Do you even understand the term 'beta'?
I used to defend VG but they passed me over on beta for CGM people=p I'm really getting worried about VG. The NDA breaking is consistent in text. The game is far enough along where the systems in place will not be changed just tweaked. I'm not sure it's enough from what I have heard. I was planing on buying VG on release but I lost a lot of faith in Brad after the way he handled the CGM mess. I'm gonna give this game a few months now before i buy if I ever buy.
I've been following this game for awhile now and it's the best thing I can see on the horizon. Will the game be perfect? No
Are there things I'd like to see done differently? Yes.
Do the graphics look lifeless thus far? Yes, I hope this most of all changes before release.
These faults being said there are only a small handfull of games on the market or in development that show the promise that Vanguard does. I'll be getting it when it's released and while I dfeinitely agree there's a chance I'll be disappointed with it, I'm willing to give it a chance to win me over, which is much more than I can say about all those naysayers who trash the game and anything Brad has to say just to boost their little ego's.
I don't see anything wrong with any upper management (even C level) coming to the community and posting. If you did nothing then you would be hanged by one set of people, if you do by another. While I don't subscribe to the haters (there seem to be some in every game) I also don't listen much to the FANatics.
There have been plenty of games that looked AWESOME based on FAQ's, videos, forum posts, your friends roomates girfriends uncle who knows it all, etc... but which did not delivery what they promised. I still remember the rabid forum fans on Shadowbane, DnL, DDO, L2, SoR (to name a few). Even b4 they've seen one ounce of the final product it was uberl33t game. I don't really care what is said or promised by anyone about a game, I care about what is actually delivered. Is the game fun? Is it challenging? Is there a strong sense of community? Can I solo?
As a hardcore casual player (10-20 hours/wk) I never expected to be able to get my epics solo, I never expected to see all the encounters just in a single group. But I never did have much time for these massive raids with the mechanics that were in these games. Way too much time and effort for very little gain/fun. As much as I enjoy grouping and some raiding I spend most of my time solo. If a game does not provide "fun" content for me to solo at all stages then its not for me.
IMHO the golden grail of games was the original EQ (early years). Despite the huge time commitments, the pointless camping, the harsh death penalty, the silly time sinks, it had a great sense of community. You would have to try really hard NOT to make friends. Since I leveled pretty slowly by the time I got past 50 the game had stopped being fun. I did not have the ridiculous amounts of time required just to get ready and in position to start having "F U N". challenging content is one thing, boring meaningless busy work is another. Despite what anyone over there said the game was totally geared towards the raider and particularly towards the large raiding guilds. So I moved on. And based on the numbers so did alot of other people (I won't get into the hideous treatment we suffered from SoE). Game was crap by the end anyway.
While I really want to like Vanguard, having been burned by SOE more then once really makes me hesitant to touch anything that is in any way associated with SOE. Sure Vanguard could actually be a good game and get 500K subs. But there are plenty of games coming out in the next year or so and not all of them are going to be bad. I am having a hard time believing how they will be able to balance the challange from the tedium. Most likely I will not buy Vanguard at release, if there is an open beta I'll give it a whirl though just to see what its like. After release I'll read the reviews and get a consensus of opinions then I'll re-eval.
Finally! Thank you for clearifying to everybody that this game is unique and that there isn't just one way to get nice equipment and gain lvls.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
You aren't going to get anything besides talking points wrapped in a Kosteresque soliloquy. Watch, it's easy - you can do it too.
Talk talk talk talk talk talk freedom talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk deeper than WoW talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk SOE doesn't make the decisions talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk customization talk talk talk talk talk seamless.
If you master this skill of staying "on message", you can run for office, go into advertsing, or become a game developer.
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It's kinds hard accualy, if i make a game. Someone whines about the game and then the imposible mission begins.
To answer a whiner , how do you answer a whiner...
Without talking good about the game, cause that would be adverticement, without putting down the game. Cause that would sertenly be a disaster. And still answer the question. That is, not telling anything good or bad about the game. Gahh, bluuur freeewkfkakkaa,,,, sigh...
Insted of "whine" ask "why" or make a dev suggestion. And the answers are gonna be possitive, what else did you think?!? / Warspine
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Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Would it be so so wrong to tag the trolls and hunt them down in game because you know full well despite all the B/S and hatred and half truths they spew the fact they post so much is a clear sign they will play the game ,please Sigil my only suggestion of game play is to make thosepeople have chars that glow neon pink but they cant see it themselves only other players , so we can point and laugh knowingly..
If you read the items he linked instead of dismissing them offhand, you would realized that ALL of those concerns are addressed and debunked quite handily, unless you're some conspiracy theorist. Those people still think the twin towers were taken down by demolition crews, even though Osama and his pals claimed responsibility for it. If Osama didn't do it and thought the american government did it, wouldn't he tell the american people so they would distrust their government?
Same goes for your logic. You think Brad and Sigil are just lying about the fact that there is solo content. You will find out when you are playing the game at release. See you in game jonaku, hopefully on the PVP server.
I will gladly pay to see that PvP event , the posioned troll smack down hmmmm
Brad,
I've been following Vanguard for a few years now up until the merger with SOE. Yes, I'm one of the burned "never to buy a Sony product again" customers.
Thanks for clearing up a lot of the rumors that have been floating around the internet regarding the involvement of SOE with Sigil and Vanguard, but I must say... I still won't be playing your game.
I'm sure you realized before your decision to be involved with them, that you would experience a marked loss in the anticipation of your game. Although I know SOE will only be marketing, hosting and handling in game tech support, that's more than enough for a lot of people to stay away.
I know that part of my subscription dollars would go into SOE's pockets, and I'm not about to let that happen again. I'm not sure if the in game support/GM's are going to be SOE or Sigil, but I suggest that you use someone else other than SOE's. Their in game GM's have to be some of the rudest people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. The one experience that sticks out in my head the most was trying to get an appeal thru for the loss of an item. The CSR answered my appeal incorrectly and closed it. When I appealed again and asked that it be kept open until I had a chance to respond, another GM closed the appeal and threatened that if I opened a third appeal with the same subject matter, that it would be considered CSR HARRASSMENT. I will not do business with a company that treats it's customers like that. I'm in business too.. and if I *ever* treated one of my customers like that, I would have hell to pay for.. and I should. Good customer service is ESSENTIAL in success.
I'm sure you're well aware of the consequences of partnering with a not so well liked entity in the world of MMORPG's. While I wish you, Sigil and Vanguard success, I still have to express my disappointment in the fact that you decided to partner with SOE to begin with. Many of us were looking forward to Vanguard as an alternative to playing a game that involved them, but that's water under the bridge now.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
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