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Crafter revamp cancelled
Wildcat84
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http://soe.lithium.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=1162336#M1162336
After reviewing all of the player feedback to the
various proposals, it was determined that we needed to take more time
with Crafters. As a result, Crafters will not get an update in Chapter
4. That's all I can really say at the moment. I'm sure this will come
up at the Stratics Chat tonight, so there might be more info to be had
there.
-The Dread Lord Helios
-Lead Designer, SWG 
"There is no reality in the absence of observation."
Well, that prediction of mine came true rather quickly, I figured they'd not attempt it. Why do it? The game is going to be shelved soon anyway.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That January shutdown announcement/March actual shutdown date prediction is looking pretty good right now. Things are proceeding as I have foreseen.
Not like it wasnt predicted......
QFE...
Canceling the Trader Revamp now does not bide well for the future of the game. This was a MAJOR fix for an extreamly broken game. I'd have to agree this is far more than a delay...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I dont know, crafting is the last ingame system that works. You know they would have borked it just like every other revamp they have done, I dont remember the last thing that got better after they had "revamped" it. This is probably good news, relatively at least. All they need to do is put back in a milder form of decay and do some balance passes on the looted vs crafted items. Or is their something else the nge screwed up crafting wise that im not aware of?
Im sure im missing something, admittedly i havent played in ages. Before the nge, crafting certainly wasnt broken. What all did they screw up besides decay and the overpowered loot?
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Someone had to fill the old smuggler spot I guess...
So'fe Sose, Naritus, SWG- Forcibly Retired
Friends don't let friends SWG...
I'd say that's saving a few thousand subs.
I don't think anyone crafter wants to take more changes to an already dying profession. And doing away with harvesters and all that would simply kill existing crafting population.
Well IMO if SWG has any chance in hell crafting needs totally restored I was a Master Pistoleer and about 80% of my game time was with crafters making shit for myself and selling.
you could have Combat system from hell but too me with no goals like item accussition and barting theres nothing to do but shoot stuff, and you cant stand out no matter how hard you work everone got same ole crap.
NGE cant use old crafting rules and anything short of rev-ENG is in their food for the masses plan, I however gave up on it, Seems noone knows just how important it is ....crafting is SWG.
But thats wayyyyy to much credit for the SOE'ers, Probably thought correllian butterflys needed revamp more
Every time this shit happens it's just more fuel for the fire.
Sure it might be a bad idea, sure they do not KNOW what to do, but Boy did they once again over promise and not deliver.
Thank you SOE for doing what you do best.
I like this, I really do... more people may open thier eyes... even if it's only 10, it's 10 more that sees what types of Devs these guys are.
This team needs to be fired and Helios should go first. I have never seen things so set up and then not delivered. I mean, this is predictiable but still... I hope someone uses LOGIC now.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Really? You feel the profession is dieing and your happy to see the devs put off an attempt to 'fix' it cause you feel it would just kill it quicker? Not trying to pick a fight or anything Fadeus but well ... I'd expect a more positive view from someone that has three crafters ... either about the current state of the profession or dev attention to it.
WHat this boils down to IMO , Is they had nothing definite set for crafters . Using player feedback as an excuse is a BS cop out . Players have been giving their feedback for months now , WHy decide all of a sudden hey what we have isn't what they want ? Especially when they say they are developing according to that feedback . I really think there is more to this book than a simple claim of cover.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
WHat this boils down to IMO , Is they had nothing definite set for crafters . Using player feedback as an excuse is a BS cop out . Players have been giving their feedback for months now , WHy decide all of a sudden hey what we have isn't what they want ? Especially when they say they are developing according to that feedback . I really think there is more to this book than a simple claim of cover.
Not to mention in most revamps they pay no attention to player feedback at all
They have already began rethinking their idea's of taking out harvesters and such, I want them to continue thinking and fix the current system.
Crafters still work and with the exception of weaponsmiths and to some degree engineers ( for 2 reasons, one being they only get 1x mastery in a tier 2 skill and the other being alot of their droid components were defunct) craftables are still the best solution in the game for someone. I think it's common knowledge however that since the CU crafting half been lacking in comparison to what it used to be.
I want to see that back and I would rather wait and see them put it out properly then have the NGE all over again to my crafters. Now go ahead and spin that how you want just like you tried to put words in my mouth with your post.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Come to think of it it would be more easy just to roll the game back to pre-CU. Hey presto problems solved.
How fucking hard can it be? Fire Helios and his followers and get some people with brains and vision.
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
They have already began rethinking their idea's of taking out harvesters and such, I want them to continue thinking and fix the current system.
Crafters still work and with the exception of weaponsmiths and to some degree engineers ( for 2 reasons, one being they only get 1x mastery in a tier 2 skill and the other being alot of their droid components were defunct) craftables are still the best solution in the game for someone. I think it's common knowledge however that since the CU crafting half been lacking in comparison to what it used to be.
I want to see that back and I would rather wait and see them put it out properly then have the NGE all over again to my crafters. Now go ahead and spin that how you want just like you tried to put words in my mouth with your post.
Sorry if you felt I was putting words into your mouth but that is what your agreeing read as to me and I knew it wasn't what you meant so I asked.
EXACTLY.
They took input, gave some tentative ideas, and traded feedback... and then they cancel? I'm sorry, but Crafting has been seriously broken for a year now, and now they've canceled it's fix with NO announcement of when it will be addressed? That puts it off well into the new year, making it broken for 1.5 years...
Something is up. Either Crafting is being removed (replaced with NPC's), a Rollback is coming (I mean, the NGE is now a bad version of the CU) or the game is on the chopping block if it doesn't do well this holiday.
This just stinks of "Let's not put the time into this since we won't be arround after the new year." Keep your eyes open for a lot of Dev's looking for a job soon....
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
3 possibilities:
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
3 possibilities:
Thats even if they are all on the same server and a fair few people PreNGE and PreCU had more then three characters on the same server.
Want something to chew on? Why would he only use the term Traders over and over, only to start using the word Crafters??? Maybe it stuck in his head from something he knows, or he's heard talked about recently??? Hmmm... Helios has Rolled Back terminology, I wonder if anything else will be Rolling Back???
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!