Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by KillerJimmy Originally posted by Fadeus it's very good news for me and I have 2 Master Traders and 1 near Master Trader.
That's strange; I wonder why anyone would need three characters in a game, let alone of the same class. Gee, I wonder...
3 possibilities:
It's the only system that works...
There's no one around to make stuff, so whay not make it yourself?
He doesn't.
Thats even if they are all on the same server and a fair few people PreNGE and PreCU had more then three characters on the same server.
VERY true, and I apologize for missing that one...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by War_Dancer Sorry if you felt I was putting words into your mouth but that is what your agreeing read as to me and I knew it wasn't what you meant so I asked.
No Biggy. I do want to see it fixed but whenever they start talking revamp I get a chill up my spine. Let them take their time with this one. My traders are still providing me a decent income and supplying my needs. Plus I am still having fun with them.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by KillerJimmy Originally posted by Fadeus it's very good news for me and I have 2 Master Traders and 1 near Master Trader.
That's strange; I wonder why anyone would need three characters in a game, let alone of the same class. Gee, I wonder... Work on your reading skills. Nowhere did I say I need them. I have 3 combatants as well, does that mean I need combatants?
Last time I checked it wasn't uncommon for people to have 3 more accounts because they wanted crafters, and that was pre-cu. But back then it was because it was fun, now it's because I need them right?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Last time they cancelled a much-ballyhooed revamp was the Scout/Ranger one.. in favor of the nge.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde Last time they cancelled a much-ballyhooed revamp was the Scout/Ranger one.. in favor of the nge.
UGH. Don't remind me.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Upon further review, they realized they don't actually have any coders now who know anything about any crafting system in the game -- pre-CU, CU or NGE. Everybody codes bang-bang / loot-loot. When they finally came to the meeting and said "Ok, here's the half-assed suggestions Helios made and here's the player feedback, now who's going to code the proposed changes" there were nothing but blank faces at the table.
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Last time they cancelled a much-ballyhooed revamp was the Scout/Ranger one.. in favor of the nge.
Nope they set back the entertainer revamp as well , If I am not mistaken .
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by MX13 3 possibilities:
It's the only system that works...
There's no one around to make stuff, so whay not make it yourself?
He doesn't.
Thats even if they are all on the same server and a fair few people PreNGE and PreCU had more then three characters on the same server.
And BTW, thanks you 2. Sincerely...
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
As always, they simply shouldn't let Helios near a keyboard when non-combat functionality is raised. In response to a player proposal that they simply make sure that crafted goods are superior to looted:
That's probably exactly what we're not going to do, because it's not a Win-Win scenario. It makes loot drops (what combat professions work for) worthless. Everyone wants the best of everything. If my loot drops are automatically outclassed by something crafted, I won't bother with loot drops any more. -The Dark Lord Helios
This is why you fail ..... because, mostly, you're an idiot.
Originally posted by KzinKiller As always, they simply shouldn't let Helios near a keyboard when non-combat functionality is raised. In response to a player proposal that they simply make sure that crafted goods are superior to looted:
That's probably exactly what we're not going to do, because it's not a Win-Win scenario. It makes loot drops (what combat professions work for) worthless. Everyone wants the best of everything. If my loot drops are automatically outclassed by something crafted, I won't bother with loot drops any more. -The Dark Lord Helios
This is why you fail ..... because, mostly, you're an idiot.
wow, crafting is the core of the economy, at least was long, long time ago, in far, far away galaxy...
Originally posted by dacia72 Originally posted by KzinKiller As always, they simply shouldn't let Helios near a keyboard when non-combat functionality is raised. In response to a player proposal that they simply make sure that crafted goods are superior to looted:
That's probably exactly what we're not going to do, because it's not a Win-Win scenario. It makes loot drops (what combat professions work for) worthless. Everyone wants the best of everything. If my loot drops are automatically outclassed by something crafted, I won't bother with loot drops any more. -The Dark Lord Helios
This is why you fail ..... because, mostly, you're an idiot.
wow, crafting is the core of the economy, at least was long, long time ago, in far, far away galaxy...
The funny thing is that Looters have always landed damn good, exclusive stuff... Exceptional / Legendary Weps, DOT Weps, Rare Clothes, CA/AA's, rare Weps, Stat modded items, Part drops (For Crafters & Kits), Pearls & Crystals, etc...
These were the most expensive items, and desired items, in the game... yet the economy was good, and crafted items were damn good. It wasn't the crafters that drove up component crafted items, it was the demand & greed of the looters & crafters. I made 500+ mil from selling Loot, clothing & Ship Parts... 75% came from loot, and I was VERY busy as a crafter...
He's just an ignorant idiot...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
The funny thing is that Looters have always landed damn good, exclusive stuff... Rare Clothes, CA/AA's, Stat modded items,
Yeah, and just think what those things would have been worth if they'd WORKED!
He's just too full of BS to come out and say what he means: we don't want combat classes to rely on crafters for ANYTHING.
So, he wants an "economy" where somehow crafters make lots of money on things that nobody really needs? Brilliant! No wonder that's taking a while to figure out.
Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Last time they cancelled a much-ballyhooed revamp was the Scout/Ranger one.. in favor of the nge.
Nope they set back the entertainer revamp as well , If I am not mistaken .
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Yeah.. they never really put any work into it nor set a release time.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Last time they cancelled a much-ballyhooed revamp was the Scout/Ranger one.. in favor of the nge.
Nope they set back the entertainer revamp as well , If I am not mistaken .
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Yeah.. they never really put any work into it nor set a release time.
I could of sworn , Early post NGE . The entertainer revamp being due right after jedi or BH . But pushed back due to player feedback . Maybe I am imagining things /shrug.
Weren't they supposed to get combat abilitys ? I for some reason remember helios stating the same BS excuse for their set back . Because Entertainers had a fit about getting combat skills.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Last time they cancelled a much-ballyhooed revamp was the Scout/Ranger one.. in favor of the nge.
Nope they set back the entertainer revamp as well , If I am not mistaken .
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Yeah.. they never really put any work into it nor set a release time.
I could of sworn , Early post NGE . The entertainer revamp being due right after jedi or BH . But pushed back due to player feedback . Maybe I am imagining things /shrug.
Weren't they supposed to get combat abilitys ? I for some reason remember helios stating the same BS excuse for their set back . Because Entertainers had a fit about getting combat skills.
ya..they were supposed to get combat skills.
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Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by KillerJimmy Originally posted by Fadeus it's very good news for me and I have 2 Master Traders and 1 near Master Trader.
That's strange; I wonder why anyone would need three characters in a game, let alone of the same class. Gee, I wonder... Work on your reading skills. Nowhere did I say I need them. I have 3 combatants as well, does that mean I need combatants?
Last time I checked it wasn't uncommon for people to have 3 more accounts because they wanted crafters, and that was pre-cu. But back then it was because it was fun, now it's because I need them right?
Easy Tiger! No need to start a flame mess in here.
My suggestion of need was due to passed experience. Let me explain: in WoW I ground out 3 level 60 characters and one 40+ because I needed them. Did I really need them? No. I needed them to have fun in WoW because, despite it's polish, WoW is an empty shell of a game when you hit 60. And since we're in the "Bad old Vet." forum, I was implying that the NGE is a hollow, terrible shell of a game with nothing to do but grind many characters.
I sent out a command to the SWG staff to halt the 30 days allocated for the trader revamp and make it 60. It is for the best. Now the spy profession will take their place. Hell- after all the player feedback for the trader revamp I would make sure to do it right. Someone must be
With what Helios said about what they will and won't do, even if they ever do the revamp it's going to suck balls. Crafters won't be crafting the best stuff? No point to them.
He really should shut up, he proves his stupidity every time he speaks.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 With what Helios said about what they will and won't do, even if they ever do the revamp it's going to suck balls. Crafters won't be crafting the best stuff? No point to them.
He really should shut up, he proves his stupidity every time he speaks.
lol I've been reading the official forums, and he seriously ticked off alot of people with that comment he made wanting loot items to be better than crafted.
People are really upset about this over there. Alot are talking about how it is the last straw, and they are cancelling. Last time I seen those boards in this bad shape was last Nov. And we all know how well that went.
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Thats even if they are all on the same server and a fair few people PreNGE and PreCU had more then three characters on the same server.
VERY true, and I apologize for missing that one...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
No Biggy. I do want to see it fixed but whenever they start talking revamp I get a chill up my spine. Let them take their time with this one. My traders are still providing me a decent income and supplying my needs. Plus I am still having fun with them.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Work on your reading skills. Nowhere did I say I need them. I have 3 combatants as well, does that mean I need combatants?
Last time I checked it wasn't uncommon for people to have 3 more accounts because they wanted crafters, and that was pre-cu. But back then it was because it was fun, now it's because I need them right?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
"Ok, next order of business ....."
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Thats even if they are all on the same server and a fair few people PreNGE and PreCU had more then three characters on the same server.
And BTW, thanks you 2. Sincerely...
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
do, because it's not a Win-Win scenario. It makes loot drops (what
combat professions work for) worthless. Everyone wants the best of
everything. If my loot drops are automatically outclassed by something
crafted, I won't bother with loot drops any more.
-The Dark Lord Helios
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The funny thing is that Looters have always landed damn good, exclusive stuff... Exceptional / Legendary Weps, DOT Weps, Rare Clothes, CA/AA's, rare Weps, Stat modded items, Part drops (For Crafters & Kits), Pearls & Crystals, etc...
These were the most expensive items, and desired items, in the game... yet the economy was good, and crafted items were damn good. It wasn't the crafters that drove up component crafted items, it was the demand & greed of the looters & crafters. I made 500+ mil from selling Loot, clothing & Ship Parts... 75% came from loot, and I was VERY busy as a crafter...
He's just an ignorant idiot...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
The funny thing is that Looters have always landed damn good, exclusive stuff... Rare Clothes, CA/AA's, Stat modded items,
Yeah, and just think what those things would have been worth if they'd WORKED!
He's just too full of BS to come out and say what he means: we don't want combat classes to rely on crafters for ANYTHING.
So, he wants an "economy" where somehow crafters make lots of money on things that nobody really needs? Brilliant! No wonder that's taking a while to figure out.
Well if this was a response to player feed back and they want to take it away and re develope it. Its good news.
However I think is more likely its a delay in a long line of delays.
With subs lower and money tighter, sub profesion E.I non combat profesion being given less developement time is no great surprise.
As for the the poor entertainers. Well god knows where this puts there (shivers) upgrade.
I'm not being cynical, I have just heard this same line from this company to many time to see any good come of this.
Wonder if this means chapter 4 is the last publish of SWG?
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Yeah.. they never really put any work into it nor set a release time.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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And once again SOE delivers ....
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Yeah.. they never really put any work into it nor set a release time.
I could of sworn , Early post NGE . The entertainer revamp being due right after jedi or BH . But pushed back due to player feedback . Maybe I am imagining things /shrug.
Weren't they supposed to get combat abilitys ? I for some reason remember helios stating the same BS excuse for their set back . Because Entertainers had a fit about getting combat skills.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't think so, Entertainers had sort of been picked at over time, removed battle fatigue, new crafter buffs, etc. I think it was squad leader and ranger revamps that were trampled with the NGE.
Yeah.. they never really put any work into it nor set a release time.
I could of sworn , Early post NGE . The entertainer revamp being due right after jedi or BH . But pushed back due to player feedback . Maybe I am imagining things /shrug.
Weren't they supposed to get combat abilitys ? I for some reason remember helios stating the same BS excuse for their set back . Because Entertainers had a fit about getting combat skills.
ya..they were supposed to get combat skills.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Work on your reading skills. Nowhere did I say I need them. I have 3 combatants as well, does that mean I need combatants?
Last time I checked it wasn't uncommon for people to have 3 more accounts because they wanted crafters, and that was pre-cu. But back then it was because it was fun, now it's because I need them right?
Easy Tiger! No need to start a flame mess in here.
My suggestion of need was due to passed experience. Let me explain: in WoW I ground out 3 level 60 characters and one 40+ because I needed them. Did I really need them? No. I needed them to have fun in WoW because, despite it's polish, WoW is an empty shell of a game when you hit 60. And since we're in the "Bad old Vet." forum, I was implying that the NGE is a hollow, terrible shell of a game with nothing to do but grind many characters.
I sent out a command to the SWG staff to halt the 30 days allocated for the trader revamp and make it 60. It is for the best. Now the spy profession will take their place. Hell- after all the player feedback for the trader revamp I would make sure to do it right. Someone must be
He really should shut up, he proves his stupidity every time he speaks.
lol I've been reading the official forums, and he seriously ticked off alot of people with that comment he made wanting loot items to be better than crafted.
People are really upset about this over there. Alot are talking about how it is the last straw, and they are cancelling. Last time I seen those boards in this bad shape was last Nov. And we all know how well that went.