I did read up on it. Some of those comments and interviews go back to 2003. That's what made me say what I did. I didn't think EQ2 was very good when I beta tested it but thought it improved vastly afterwards. EQ was okay way back when but all the camping, corpse runs and the like became tiresome. Vanguard seems to be a rehash of EQ, with all the tiresome bits thrown back in. I only go by what I've read of Vanguard and McQuaid's comments on what he considers to be good. We don't agree on very much at all. But, like I said, I reserve the right to be wrong. Maybe it'll be the next big thing... only time will tell, I suppose.
Originally posted by darkedone02 Hack and Slash games, why? They continue to be overused and not one company is making a unique gameplay that is not hack and slash.
what he said.
that was why i am playing space cowboy now, it is so much different from other mmorpgs
I dont care how much fun people say EQ2 is over WoW i know they say that just to bash WoW, EQ2 has no sence of direction, crappy animation, the playerbase is dwindling i mean come on the main part of mmorpgs is interaction, EQ2 has no interaction on many levels unless you join a guild .. even then.. They are comming out with more "WoW" like expansions to save EQ2 but there is no way. With the vast improvements the WoW expansion is going to bring to WoW, With vanguard comming, warhammer around the bend. EQ2, SWG, matrix online and SOE should now just shut down and stop.
There is no longer a need for SOE and SOE is not working on vangaurd just help distributing it.
What they did to their veteran players? Total Rapage. Even though I'd stopped playing before the NGE, I came back in afterward to check out the changes and.. well, it was just wrong.
How is there no need for SOE? Who publishes Vanguard then? Microsoft? No... they don't want it, do they? I don't even understand your point and, believe me, I'm no fan of SOE. I don't play EQ2 or WoW anymore and didn't play either for very long. Not my cup of tea. It doesn't sound like Vanguard will be, either... but to each, his own, no?
Originally posted by tkobo Wow at least has an exceptable sized customer base. Now im not saying wow is the best game out there, im simply sayong that from a business perspective,its the only one ( of the Western MMOs) that comes close to being a true success.
Success should not be judged on the size of the customer base. Shallow, Americanised way of thinking.
Originally posted by Jhughesy Originally posted by tkobo Wow at least has an exceptable sized customer base. Now im not saying wow is the best game out there, im simply sayong that from a business perspective,its the only one ( of the Western MMOs) that comes close to being a true success.
Success should not be judged on the size of the customer base. Shallow, Americanised way of thinking.
Chances are your culture has already been Americanised and destroyed so don't get all high and mighty when your probably as Westernised as us Westerners
SWG. Gotta love a dev team that manages to piss off more and more of it's paying customers with every patch, idea, new 'enhancments', even their devs and senior execs routinely ignore the bulk of players while they try to emulate WoW for some odd reason. The comments they have made show that they had no idea what kind of game they had, and they sure try their damnedest to dumb it down every day. They know the star wars geeks will crawl out of their mom's basement to go buy whatever idiotic expansion they put out since it has a jedi on the box, and they keep chasing younger and l33ter kiddies every day.
Between LA and SoE, I don't care who's at fault, but it really needs to be laid to rest and soon. After the NGE (and the CU kinda, at least they tried to fix and not recreate the game), I was mad, then sad, then mad again. Then hungry, then apathetic, now I'm just ashamed that I was ever enthralled with this POS.
And I don't need to hear anyone say it's stupid to not follow WoW's footsteps either. That arguement doesn't hold water. All WoW does is show how many people will play the genre, not dictate the course it should head. If every soda company followed in coca-cola's footsteps best they could, where would Fanta or RC fit in? Not the most popular stuff out there, but they are making money. I'm sure the people running those outfits drive nice cars, just like the guys from Blizzard do.
Difference is, that the Rc Cola people are happy with their market share and aren't greedy, like some other companies I can think of...
DNL, Mourning etc... whatever incarnations they are in atm.
Horizons as well. Gets passed from one crooked develoiper to another. It perhaps examplifies the worst grinds you can get in an MMO. Not to mention the people that play it are just well dumb and enjoy being spoon fed BS from its developers.
EQ2 maybe... but everything works and it has ok content. But I like others question the overall point of the game. Its just EQ1 thrown in a blender and watered down. Its not really fun imo and has no direction.
Originally posted by sacred_band GUILD WARS "oh man i get to play a game that offers less content than the average $10 fps for no monthly fee when smaller developers have been doing the same thing for 5 years" GW is an instanced 90% single player version of knight online with a max level that takes a day to reach so that you can participate in-yippee-pointless timed arena pvp
You seem to be a typical MMORPG zombie who thinks its all about max level. That narrow focus betrays your lack of knowledge about Guild Wars. The main point of progression in Guild Wars is to obtain new skills, epsecially elite skills, and perfect builds. Level progression is just for newbs like you.
I think WoW should stay like other people said earlier it keeps the cry babies away from real MMO's..I hate Wow sooooo much but if they like it go and play it..
I would have to say alot of the older MMO's you still have to pay for have to go or make them free there is no point after a while to pay for the older MMO's that are way back in the 90's.. I wouldnt really get rid of alot of the MMO's though it gives people choices on which to play so people can pick which style they like.. Some like different things in MMO's then others. just my major pet pev is just hating WoW lol. but ohh well
vanguard was not purchased by SOE they are just publishing the game for them. secondly the huge post about all the games that suck was very biased and against SOE. The game that you were playing at the beginning of eq2 is completely different than what it is now and you would be suprised at how much better it is and the amount of great feedback SoE is getting from it.
Personally I don't think any game should shut down, so long as there are sufficient subscribers to maintain even one server and still stay in the black. Certainly there are games out there that I would like to see shut down, but I'd like to see some games brought back because they were shutdown needlessly. I'd like to see EULA's in the future show that a gaming company commits to provide the game to the subscribers so long as they can meet that afore mentioned standard. Unrealistic? Sure but what the hell.
Originally posted by RAF-dood Personally I don't think any game should shut down, so long as there are sufficient subscribers to maintain even one server and still stay in the black. Certainly there are games out there that I would like to see shut down, but I'd like to see some games brought back because they were shutdown needlessly. I'd like to see EULA's in the future show that a gaming company commits to provide the game to the subscribers so long as they can meet that afore mentioned standard. Unrealistic? Sure but what the hell.
I have to agree. It's unpleasant for a lot of people when a game is cancelled. What we enjoy is so subjective. It would be wonderful if everyone could find their perfect game... chances are, though, however perfect it is for you, someone else will dislike it. Why is that not okay? I happen to not like wearing belts. Should they stop manufacturing them? There'd be a lot of butts hanging out if that were the case!
You screw up a mmorpg from the begining you screw it up for the rest of its life. EQ2 now should have been like that at retail and EQ2 now still needs ALOOOOT more polish. EQ2 will never gain a big playerbase, even when i say online where are all the people, why is there no one to group with? They tell me to join a guild.
EQ2 is the past, WoW, vanguard, War, AOC are the future of mmorpgs. WoW has something special that EQ2 can never have. WoW is centered towards the casual player and believe it or not casuals out number hardcores by ALOT
WoW is an EQ clone. For the love of god, WoW exists because of the popularity brought about by eq. I really wish you fanbois would stop screaming about how good WoW is. Its like Coke vs Pepsi. Sure Pepsi is the new thing that everyone loves. But we all know Coke started the soft drink business. And though people might love Pepsi, Its still in the end just a fancy Coke knockoff.
So quit acting like WoW is anything other than an popular knockoff.
P.S. WoW hasnt done a single thing to push the envelope for MMO's, It relies heavily on tried and true mmo techniques, and it makes my stomach hurt that people really think that its something. Its something allright, something people overrate because its popular.
Originally posted by Arcken WoW is an EQ clone. For the love of god, WoW exists because of the popularity brought about by eq. I really wish you fanbois would stop screaming about how good WoW is. Its like Coke vs Pepsi. Sure Pepsi is the new thing that everyone loves. But we all know Coke started the soft drink business. And though people might love Pepsi, Its still in the end just a fancy Coke knockoff. So quit acting like WoW is anything other than an popular knockoff. P.S. WoW hasnt done a single thing to push the envelope for MMO's, It relies heavily on tried and true mmo techniques, and it makes my stomach hurt that people really think that its something. Its something allright, something people overrate because its popular.
Pepsi has been around for a long time actually. In fact Coke missed a chance to buy its main competitor(Pepsi) back in the 1920's when Pepsi almost went bankrupt on a bad sugar deal. It was actually invented in 1893. Coca Cola was invented in 1888. Both drinks were invented indedendetly by pharmacists (as was Dr. Pepper). It is actually kind of hard to say that Pepsi is just a knockoff of Coke. Even though at this point in history I find them to taste virtually the same.
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Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
that was why i am playing space cowboy now, it is so much different from other mmorpgs
Which FF Character Are You?
There is no longer a need for SOE and SOE is not working on vangaurd just help distributing it.
What they did to their veteran players? Total Rapage. Even though I'd stopped playing before the NGE, I came back in afterward to check out the changes and.. well, it was just wrong.
Bad Galaxies ):
http://www.gucomics.com/archives/view.php?cdate=20061004
Well,Seed is dead.
Whats everyone got against guild wars? Its great value for the money.
----ITS A TRAP!!!----
Chances are your culture has already been Americanised and destroyed
so don't get all high and mighty when your probably as Westernised as us Westerners
SWG. Gotta love a dev team that manages to piss off more and more of it's paying customers with every patch, idea, new 'enhancments', even their devs and senior execs routinely ignore the bulk of players while they try to emulate WoW for some odd reason. The comments they have made show that they had no idea what kind of game they had, and they sure try their damnedest to dumb it down every day. They know the star wars geeks will crawl out of their mom's basement to go buy whatever idiotic expansion they put out since it has a jedi on the box, and they keep chasing younger and l33ter kiddies every day.
Between LA and SoE, I don't care who's at fault, but it really needs to be laid to rest and soon. After the NGE (and the CU kinda, at least they tried to fix and not recreate the game), I was mad, then sad, then mad again. Then hungry, then apathetic, now I'm just ashamed that I was ever enthralled with this POS.
And I don't need to hear anyone say it's stupid to not follow WoW's footsteps either. That arguement doesn't hold water. All WoW does is show how many people will play the genre, not dictate the course it should head. If every soda company followed in coca-cola's footsteps best they could, where would Fanta or RC fit in? Not the most popular stuff out there, but they are making money. I'm sure the people running those outfits drive nice cars, just like the guys from Blizzard do.
Difference is, that the Rc Cola people are happy with their market share and aren't greedy, like some other companies I can think of...
Which do not ??
DNL, Mourning etc... whatever incarnations they are in atm.
Horizons as well. Gets passed from one crooked develoiper to another. It perhaps examplifies the worst grinds you can get in an MMO. Not to mention the people that play it are just well dumb and enjoy being spoon fed BS from its developers.
EQ2 maybe... but everything works and it has ok content. But I like others question the overall point of the game. Its just EQ1 thrown in a blender and watered down. Its not really fun imo and has no direction.
You know they all need to be shut down....
The world was a better place before...
BUT....I will go with WoW, Linage II, EQ (cause its dieing anyway) EQII (cause its a sequal) AO, Guild Wars, and WW II on line.
I will also go with Eve-online, why? Cause its the perfect example of what happens to a great game, when a ganker gets put in charge.
WoW dying? What bizzaro world do you live in?
Which FF Character Are You?
I think WoW should stay like other people said earlier it keeps the cry babies away from real MMO's..I hate Wow sooooo much but if they like it go and play it..
I would have to say alot of the older MMO's you still have to pay for have to go or make them free there is no point after a while to pay for the older MMO's that are way back in the 90's.. I wouldnt really get rid of alot of the MMO's though it gives people choices on which to play so people can pick which style they like.. Some like different things in MMO's then others.
just my major pet pev is just hating WoW lol. but ohh well 
EQ2 is the past, WoW, vanguard, War, AOC are the future of mmorpgs. WoW has something special that EQ2 can never have. WoW is centered towards the casual player and believe it or not casuals out number hardcores by ALOT
Put it out of it's misery.
Please.
WoW is an EQ clone. For the love of god, WoW exists because of the popularity brought about by eq. I really wish you fanbois would stop screaming about how good WoW is. Its like Coke vs Pepsi. Sure Pepsi is the new thing that everyone loves. But we all know Coke started the soft drink business. And though people might love Pepsi, Its still in the end just a fancy Coke knockoff.
So quit acting like WoW is anything other than an popular knockoff.
P.S. WoW hasnt done a single thing to push the envelope for MMO's, It relies heavily on tried and true mmo techniques, and it makes my stomach hurt that people really think that its something. Its something allright, something people overrate because its popular.
However WoW is an obvious knockoff.