More to the piont, I think the only MMORPG that actually deserves to be wiped out, as many have said, is the MMORPG that cannot please it's players enough to keep their budget alive. Any other MMORPG I wish the best of luck to. We all enjoy our own style (be it Guild Wars, WoW, DAoC or whatever Vanguard eventually offers) and so I care little about what is doing good and what isn't.
I enjoy EQ 2 a lot, and I'm a casual player. I think the community is doing well. I have very little trouble leveling up, and I play mostly healers (Defiler and Warden with some SK thrown in for fast paced excitement). I think that it has done a lot to make up for it's previous mistakes. A lot of those changes were emmulating WoW, but that's what WoW did a lot of from EQ 1. So what are you gonna do? Complain that WoW ripped off Raid mobs or kill quests or any of that stuff? No, you'll just enjoy Wow if that's the game you choose to support.
And to whoever said that WoW is the ONLY "acceptable" (what you meant to type) success in Western MMORPGS, you're mistaken. It's a phenomenal success to be sure, but this is in a genre where 300-400k active subscribers is good. That's what, around 4.5 million a month? Who's going to complain to that? Just because WoW is doing much better doesn't mean that the rest of them are doing bad. It's like saying that the mom and pop restaurants in Podunk, MI all suck because McDonald's is churning out a bazillion dollars in revenue.
Originally posted by godofwar69 GuildWars Waste of money no fun and everyone is naked and girl characters who are probley really played by boys act G@y
Sounds like someone hit on a female in game and got turned down... heh.
Seriously an good ingame rule to remember:
Men are Men Girls are Men Children are FBI agents.
Over exposed means a game should be shut down? It's got (osentsibly) $60,000,000, if using the 4 million active subscribers number, a month in revenue. Of course it's over-exposed, it's more popular than breathing air.
And I don't think that all female characters are females, I just think it shouldn't matter while you're playing. I am a male, I play female characters (except for my tanks). I do this because I am not a roleplayer for one, so I don't feel like my character is an extension of me. I just find that female avatars are more appealling. I don't try to persuade anyone that I'm a girl or anything like that. I know girls who play male characters, it doesn't mean they're acting all "gay".
If a game is popular it deserves to survive because obviously it appeals to some people. I dislike WoW but I recognize that it is very popular and that it should continue to survive. Personally I think we should clean up MMOs and get rid of those stupid games such as Roma Victor, Second Life, Shadowbane ect. Those games dont' attrack many players because they suck. Let's just concentrate on the popular games and get rid of the crap.
Originally posted by Celestian Originally posted by Orthosin No if you acctually read up on vanguard, vanguard is the true sequel to EQ1. EQ2 should have never happened.
If you believe that you've got no clue.
EQ2 today is a great game. VG? Well good luck with that. I'd be suprised if VG does as well as DD0 has.
Noboday cares about your love for EQ2. Orthasin is correct in his statment. EQ 1 and 2 may suffer with release to Vanguard. EQ2 is dying as we speak anyway. VSoH has more support and content to already put it ahead of DDO.
Noboday cares about your love for EQ2. Orthasin is correct in his statment. EQ 1 and 2 may suffer with release to Vanguard. EQ2 is dying as we speak anyway. VSoH has more support and content to already put it ahead of DDO.
Well, Vanguard success will depend on 1 thing...will they make a non-raiding server? This is directly linked to been a 50k subscribers game or trying to be a benchmark in it owns way.
Someone thinking that Vanguard could succeed without non-raiding servers is daydreaming. Vanguard release may hurt EQ2 (I don't know EQ2 well enough), it wouldn't even make old EQ flinch, if anything EQ will benefit from Vanguard release by grabbing back some previous customers who will fail in Vanguard and return home...With WoW and EQ2 already release, the player-base in EQ is impervious to any new game, thinking otherwise is silly. These peoples have invested themselves in their toons, they don't care for a newer raiding game, they got EQ.
If you talk about "online support", I think EVE has about as much online support as WoW, EVE has 30k subscribers and WoW has sold about 7 millions boxes and prolly have 1 or 2 millions CURRENT subscribtions, maybe less, still, a LOT.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I agree with Anofalye, every game should offer varied server types. PVP , RP-PVP , PVE , RP-PVE and even RF-PVE/P (raid-free). Not everyone likes raiding, just like pvp so I 100% agree.I
its up to the company to provide enough content for groups and soloers. Raids shouldnt be their endgame crutch.
What is with all this bashing on vanguard? For what we know right now vanguard is taking the best parts of EQ before POP and improving upon them, bringing exploration, skill, grouping popular again and MANY players are keeping their eye out for Vanguard.
EQ2 killed itself on launch, if it launched like it was today then maybe it would be a different story, but even the graphics killed EQ2, Guildwars manages to have superbed graphics and still friendly on the computer. EQ2 limited itsself SOOO much.
For one they catered to one play style that was PVE so that knocks out many people that want to PVP. Just now they added PVP servers and the only way you can PVP is if you play a scout, dont tell me any different. Secondly they ruined themselves making EQ2 graphics SOOOOOO extreme. I had to buy a graphics card with pixle sharder and more support, you wont believe how many computers have graphics cards that dont support vertex and pixle shaders so there are more accounts they could of had but ruined themselves with too much pride.
I don't think every game CAN offer multiple server types. Not all of them have a population that can sustain that. If the population number are good enough, however, it's always great to have a choice. A game like WoW could offer much more server type variation than, say, a game such as CoH or even EQ2. They have the numbers to accommodate even more than they do now.
Originally posted by mannequin WoW...deserves to suvive..not because I like the game (I hate it) but it keeps those immature 13year olds away from other MMO's.
Originally posted by Celestian Originally posted by godofwar69 GuildWars Waste of money no fun and everyone is naked and girl characters who are probley really played by boys act G@y
Sounds like someone hit on a female in game and got turned down... heh.
Seriously an good ingame rule to remember:
Men are Men Girls are Men Children are FBI agents.
WTF your just a tard why would i ask to go out with a online person it dosent have anything to do what i just said you could be like 11 and date a 40year old no life so i wouldent ask anyone out online cause you dont no anything about tem
Originally posted by tkobo ALL of them except Wow. Wow at least has an exceptable sized customer base. Now im not saying wow is the best game out there, im simply sayong that from a business perspective,its the only one ( of the Western MMOs) that comes close to being a true success.
No you are very wrong. WoW is not a success, it is a freaking 8000 pound gorilla sized blockbuster. 7 million people is an acceptable sized customer base? So 500 thousand people is just not acceptable? If it were up to you there would also only be one restaurant, Mcdonalds, and we would all be 800 pound gorillas. BAH!
Which MMORPG does not deserve to survive? What a lame question.
Originally posted by Stellos Originally posted by Celestian Originally posted by Orthosin No if you acctually read up on vanguard, vanguard is the true sequel to EQ1. EQ2 should have never happened.
If you believe that you've got no clue.
EQ2 today is a great game. VG? Well good luck with that. I'd be suprised if VG does as well as DD0 has.
Noboday cares about your love for EQ2. Orthasin is correct in his statment. EQ 1 and 2 may suffer with release to Vanguard. EQ2 is dying as we speak anyway. VSoH has more support and content to already put it ahead of DDO.
I have no "love" for any game. I think EQ2 has room for improvement just like any game. However, if you think VG will do any better than EQ2 at release you are sadly mistaken. VG is looking to be nothing more than EQ2 was at release with an even better graphics engine that requires even more horse power. I love nice graphics but that alone will keep a ton of people from playing it... then add in the same thing EQ2 had... death penalties/'debt and similar ideas you'll see craptacular population.
As to EQ2 dying, you obviously don't play because if you did you'd see that all the servers are packed during peak times.
I enjoy EQ2, WoW and GW... but love? hardly. What other people think about that though doesn't matter to me, specially from someone that has this blind devotion to a game that isn't even released.
Originally posted by Orthosin blizzard stated they had 7 million active accounts world wide.
No, they have also stated that they sold over 7 millions BOXES world wide. They use well thinked sentences to make you believe they are all active account. While in fact, all they say, is that they sold, since release, over 7 millions boxes.
Show me any number saying how many boxes they sold, you will always see 7 millions or smaller, depending when the announcement was made.
Now if WoW is able to lead you to believe that they are all active account ATM, good for them, I am lucky to be a Canadian and that they have to follow stricts rules, so we can understand more easily the truth, not what they want us to believe.
To the guy crying that peoples are "bashing Vanguard", I see very few peoples bashing Vanguard, I am more or less praising it, I am just not a blind Vanboi and I actually believe that the presence of the non-raiding server would make the difference between competing with old EQ (with the non-raiding servers) or competing with EVE (with an absence of non-raiding servers) for the subscribtion base. See, someone that doesn't kneel before Brad and tell bluntly the truth is not a hateboi, he is just not a Vanbois and he is just CARING for the game good health. If I keep repeating that Vanguard NEEDS non-raiding server, I does it because I actually believe this is the key factor that would make the difference between success and failure...just like EQ success was the PvE servers, Vanguard success would be the non-raiding server, if Vanguard is to be successfull. If Mythic beat Sigil to it with such a server in WAR, then all more power to WAR which will be successfull with or without such servers, it would just be even more successfull...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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More to the piont, I think the only MMORPG that actually deserves to be wiped out, as many have said, is the MMORPG that cannot please it's players enough to keep their budget alive. Any other MMORPG I wish the best of luck to. We all enjoy our own style (be it Guild Wars, WoW, DAoC or whatever Vanguard eventually offers) and so I care little about what is doing good and what isn't.
I enjoy EQ 2 a lot, and I'm a casual player. I think the community is doing well. I have very little trouble leveling up, and I play mostly healers (Defiler and Warden with some SK thrown in for fast paced excitement). I think that it has done a lot to make up for it's previous mistakes. A lot of those changes were emmulating WoW, but that's what WoW did a lot of from EQ 1. So what are you gonna do? Complain that WoW ripped off Raid mobs or kill quests or any of that stuff? No, you'll just enjoy Wow if that's the game you choose to support.
And to whoever said that WoW is the ONLY "acceptable" (what you meant to type) success in Western MMORPGS, you're mistaken. It's a phenomenal success to be sure, but this is in a genre where 300-400k active subscribers is good. That's what, around 4.5 million a month? Who's going to complain to that? Just because WoW is doing much better doesn't mean that the rest of them are doing bad. It's like saying that the mom and pop restaurants in Podunk, MI all suck because McDonald's is churning out a bazillion dollars in revenue.
D&D Online needs to just die.
Worst mmo ever and I love D&D. Turbine should be sued for turning a great game name into a pile of crap.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
GuildWars
Waste of money
no fun and everyone is naked and girl characters who are probley really played by boys act G@y
Seriously an good ingame rule to remember:
Men are Men
Girls are Men
Children are FBI agents.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Oh, he would be SO grounded!
I still play WoW, but now that it was on South Park, it is overexposed.
And I don't think that all female characters are females, I just think it shouldn't matter while you're playing. I am a male, I play female characters (except for my tanks). I do this because I am not a roleplayer for one, so I don't feel like my character is an extension of me. I just find that female avatars are more appealling. I don't try to persuade anyone that I'm a girl or anything like that. I know girls who play male characters, it doesn't mean they're acting all "gay".
EQ2 today is a great game. VG? Well good luck with that. I'd be suprised if VG does as well as DD0 has.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
If you believe that you've got no clue.
EQ2 today is a great game. VG? Well good luck with that. I'd be suprised if VG does as well as DD0 has.
Noboday cares about your love for EQ2. Orthasin is correct in his statment. EQ 1 and 2 may suffer with release to Vanguard. EQ2 is dying as we speak anyway. VSoH has more support and content to already put it ahead of DDO.
Well, Vanguard success will depend on 1 thing...will they make a non-raiding server? This is directly linked to been a 50k subscribers game or trying to be a benchmark in it owns way.
Someone thinking that Vanguard could succeed without non-raiding servers is daydreaming. Vanguard release may hurt EQ2 (I don't know EQ2 well enough), it wouldn't even make old EQ flinch, if anything EQ will benefit from Vanguard release by grabbing back some previous customers who will fail in Vanguard and return home...With WoW and EQ2 already release, the player-base in EQ is impervious to any new game, thinking otherwise is silly. These peoples have invested themselves in their toons, they don't care for a newer raiding game, they got EQ.
If you talk about "online support", I think EVE has about as much online support as WoW, EVE has 30k subscribers and WoW has sold about 7 millions boxes and prolly have 1 or 2 millions CURRENT subscribtions, maybe less, still, a LOT.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I agree with Anofalye, every game should offer varied server types. PVP , RP-PVP , PVE , RP-PVE and even RF-PVE/P (raid-free). Not everyone likes raiding, just like pvp so I 100% agree.I
its up to the company to provide enough content for groups and soloers. Raids shouldnt be their endgame crutch.
What is with all this bashing on vanguard? For what we know right now vanguard is taking the best parts of EQ before POP and improving upon them, bringing exploration, skill, grouping popular again and MANY players are keeping their eye out for Vanguard.
EQ2 killed itself on launch, if it launched like it was today then maybe it would be a different story, but even the graphics killed EQ2, Guildwars manages to have superbed graphics and still friendly on the computer. EQ2 limited itsself SOOO much.
For one they catered to one play style that was PVE so that knocks out many people that want to PVP. Just now they added PVP servers and the only way you can PVP is if you play a scout, dont tell me any different. Secondly they ruined themselves making EQ2 graphics SOOOOOO extreme. I had to buy a graphics card with pixle sharder and more support, you wont believe how many computers have graphics cards that dont support vertex and pixle shaders so there are more accounts they could of had but ruined themselves with too much pride.
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Seriously an good ingame rule to remember:
Men are Men
Girls are Men
Children are FBI agents.
WTF your just a tard why would i ask to go out with a online person it dosent have anything to do what i just said you could be like 11 and date a 40year old no life so i wouldent ask anyone out online cause you dont no anything about tem
If you get 10FPS in guildwars you must be playing on a 486.
I played it on a Radeon 9200 stuck in a 1.0GHz PIII Dell. With 512 RAM...
... and never sunk below 30FPS
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
No you are very wrong. WoW is not a success, it is a freaking 8000 pound gorilla sized blockbuster. 7 million people is an acceptable sized customer base? So 500 thousand people is just not acceptable? If it were up to you there would also only be one restaurant, Mcdonalds, and we would all be 800 pound gorillas. BAH!
Which MMORPG does not deserve to survive? What a lame question.
If you believe that you've got no clue.
EQ2 today is a great game. VG? Well good luck with that. I'd be suprised if VG does as well as DD0 has.
Noboday cares about your love for EQ2. Orthasin is correct in his statment. EQ 1 and 2 may suffer with release to Vanguard. EQ2 is dying as we speak anyway. VSoH has more support and content to already put it ahead of DDO.
I have no "love" for any game. I think EQ2 has room for improvement just like any game. However, if you think VG will do any better than EQ2 at release you are sadly mistaken. VG is looking to be nothing more than EQ2 was at release with an even better graphics engine that requires even more horse power. I love nice graphics but that alone will keep a ton of people from playing it... then add in the same thing EQ2 had... death penalties/'debt and similar ideas you'll see craptacular population.
As to EQ2 dying, you obviously don't play because if you did you'd see that all the servers are packed during peak times.
I enjoy EQ2, WoW and GW... but love? hardly. What other people think about that though doesn't matter to me, specially from someone that has this blind devotion to a game that isn't even released.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
No, they have also stated that they sold over 7 millions BOXES world wide. They use well thinked sentences to make you believe they are all active account. While in fact, all they say, is that they sold, since release, over 7 millions boxes.
Show me any number saying how many boxes they sold, you will always see 7 millions or smaller, depending when the announcement was made.
Now if WoW is able to lead you to believe that they are all active account ATM, good for them, I am lucky to be a Canadian and that they have to follow stricts rules, so we can understand more easily the truth, not what they want us to believe.
To the guy crying that peoples are "bashing Vanguard", I see very few peoples bashing Vanguard, I am more or less praising it, I am just not a blind Vanboi and I actually believe that the presence of the non-raiding server would make the difference between competing with old EQ (with the non-raiding servers) or competing with EVE (with an absence of non-raiding servers) for the subscribtion base. See, someone that doesn't kneel before Brad and tell bluntly the truth is not a hateboi, he is just not a Vanbois and he is just CARING for the game good health. If I keep repeating that Vanguard NEEDS non-raiding server, I does it because I actually believe this is the key factor that would make the difference between success and failure...just like EQ success was the PvE servers, Vanguard success would be the non-raiding server, if Vanguard is to be successfull. If Mythic beat Sigil to it with such a server in WAR, then all more power to WAR which will be successfull with or without such servers, it would just be even more successfull...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren