Originally posted by Xexima I am confused as to how people can and will tell gay people that they are unnatural, and that it is just a life choice without any evidence to the matter. Most scientists agree that it has to do with hormones in the mothers uterous before birth. Why do you think that the biggest percentage of the people who are gay are the last child? Because the other children have taken up much of the testosterone (or oestragen). Why else do you think that 1 in 11 people in the world are gay? Why do you think that they have the inability to become aroused by someone of the opposite sex? It is biology and the chemical make-up in the brain.
All that the other side brings to the table is "Nuh uh!" like they always seem to do. Then they damn them to hell, take away thier rights, and alienate them from society.
Sorry Mr Xex, but even many gay people will tell you that they have made a choice to live a gay lifestyle. Not ALL gays and Lesbians feel that they are born hard wired that way. I think the reasons for living a gay lifestyle are several. In fact there is some good, recent research done on this. I would have to do some web searching to back up my claim and I will if you care, if you dont then thats cool too.
But I guess they feel that if they can conclude that their preference for sex is chemical then they society must allow them to be married to eachother. Thats the only thing I can think of, because they have every other right that I do. Like Drae says, they may be made fun of, but who do you know that has never been ridiculed for something?
I do have a question for any of the gay/lesbian posters on this thread. If you were allowed to be able to share wealth and insurance with your partner, but just not have the title of "married," would that suffice? If not, then what is it about the tittle "marraige" that is significant to you and gay/lesbians in general?
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Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Draenor Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
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Originally posted by Finwe Originally posted by Draenor Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
That sounds a little more accurate. It's amazing how we discriminate against 3% of the US population. Imagine if we said Muslims couldn't get married.
Originally posted by outfctrl There is nothing wrong being gay and there is nothing wrong being a hetro. They are not unfortunate. It is a lifestyle, thats all. nuff said
I just dont believe in Gay marriages.
You said there's nothing wrong with gays.
But you don't want them to get married.
....Lol?
And why not? It isn't affecting you after all, let us marry the people we love. It isn't fair hetrosexuals are allowed to marry, but homosexuals arn't. And the whole "omg but god says it's a sin!!" is bullshit. We're not all christians or believe in the same "god" Thats taking away the rights from non-christians.
Actualy in fact, my religion says it's damn perfectly fine to be hetrosexuals, or homosexual. And yet my right to marry the person I want to marry, has been taken away.
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Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by daeandor Originally posted by reavo I would rather be around a group of all unique people than a group of people clammering to act the same and scorning whomever doesn't act just like them.
That is the biggest crock of crap I have seen you write in a while reavo.
I forgot to add that this is an insane thread. Some of you have some pathetic complex reasoning skills. Just because you can find one or two sources that support your theory does not mean that opposing theories are automatically wrong.
That was a good try at a brutal attack. What would motivate you to feel so passionate about this to try to attack someone that way?
Ok. Essentially it goes something like this, that statement was not really needed for this argument and was merely an extention of your self-rightous nature. Of course the hypocricy is that you in no way act like you would rather be surrounded by unique people when you post on these boards. Instead you do exactly what you claim you wouldn't by scorning whomever doesn't agree with you.
Originally posted by reavo I would rather be around a group of all unique people than a group of people clammering to act the same and scorning whomever doesn't act just like them.
That is the biggest crock of crap I have seen you write in a while reavo.
I forgot to add that this is an insane thread. Some of you have some pathetic complex reasoning skills. Just because you can find one or two sources that support your theory does not mean that opposing theories are automatically wrong.
That was a good try at a brutal attack. What would motivate you to feel so passionate about this to try to attack someone that way?
Ok. Essentially it goes something like this, that statement was not really needed for this argument and was merely an extention of your self-rightous nature. Of course the hypocricy is that you in no way act like you would rather be surrounded by unique people when you post on these boards. Instead you do exactly what you claim you wouldn't by scorning whomever doesn't agree with you.
I state my disagreements with other people and debate them with respect. You must have me mistaken with someone else. Or maybe you just look at someone disagreeing with you in a hostile way. Whatever the reason, I'm secure enough to know I'm fair and don't look down on others. Maybe you should go back and read some of my posts.
Originally posted by Draenor Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by Finwe Originally posted by Draenor Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The only way we would know for certain is if being gay wasn't taboo, and one's way of life didn't feel threatened by coming out of the closet. But, as some posts in this thread have proven, we are far from that point.
Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by reavo Originally posted by Finwe Originally posted by Draenor Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The only way we would know for certain is if being gay wasn't taboo, and one's way of life didn't feel threatened by coming out of the closet. But, as some posts in this thread have proven, we are far from that point. No worries, we'll get to that point eventually. It's going to take years, but it will happen. ^^
Originally posted by Draenor Have there been any good and reputable studies done to see the percentage of people living homosexual lifestyles? I always see somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the population, but given the number of people that I have come into contact with, both middle aged adults and peers...I think that number might be a little bit too high...though it could very possibly just be that I just don't pay enough attention.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The only way we would know for certain is if being gay wasn't taboo, and one's way of life didn't feel threatened by coming out of the closet. But, as some posts in this thread have proven, we are far from that point.
And may I add, if people were allowed to accept who they are and come to terms with their sexuality. Then people could stop bearing false witness to themselves and society. There would then be far less people living in emotional pain.
Of course, that also gets into the userping of roles in society, heterosexual or homosexual aside....I have a strong suspision about why the suicide rate is so much higher among males than females...and it's not because they are sexually frustrated.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
This topic is so damn stupid. People should be allowed to marry who ever the hell they want as long as both parties agree to it and are of age.
Untill my boss comes to me and says, well since those two gay guys down the street got married I'm gonna have to take 50 dollars out of your pay, I could give a rats ass who they marry. It has no effect what so ever on my life and to the people screaming about how wrong it is or its against gods will need to get a freaking clue and mind their own damn business.
This reeks of discrimination and people pushing their religeous beliefs onto others which (forgive me if I'm wrong) is suppose to be a big no no in america. Freedom of religeon anyone???? You know, one of the reasons the pilgrims came here in the first place????
God forgive me for quoting Al Sharpton but he said it best....."I may believe that you will burn in hell for what you are doing but I will defend your right as an American to do it with my last breath." May not be exact but that is pretty much what he said on national television.
Originally posted by shamall This topic is so damn stupid. People should be allowed to marry who ever the hell they want as long as both parties agree to it and are of age. Untill my boss comes to me and says, well since those two gay guys down the street got married I'm gonna have to take 50 dollars out of your pay, I could give a rats ass who they marry. It has no effect what so ever on my life and to the people screaming about how wrong it is or its against gods will need to get a freaking clue and mind their own damn business. This reeks of discrimination and people pushing their religeous beliefs onto others which (forgive me if I'm wrong) is suppose to be a big no no in america. Freedom of religeon anyone???? You know, one of the reasons the pilgrims came here in the first place????Oh, all 33 of them? They came here to establish a utopia. The english didn't like them, but the pilgrims weren't being persecuted as people like to say they were, the english even paid for their journey . But I know exactly what you mean, this country was based on the acceptance of other people, and equal rights. God forgive me for quoting Al Sharpton but he said it best....."I may believe that you will burn in hell for what you are doing but I will defend your right as an American to do it with my last breath." May not be exact but that is pretty much what he said on national television.Yay for volitaire impersonators. But I totally agree.
I'll be honest. In my faith, it's a sin. And, I'd call it abnormal based on the evolutionary design of the two sexes. The penis' deisign, beyond a doubt, is to impregnate the female sex. The female, beyond a doubt, is to carry the child to term. Please don't quote me for debate on this. I'm not interested, and it's not my main point.
Regardless of my beliefs above, homosexuals are consenting. There are no victims. They can be just as patriotic, just as compassionate, excellent law-abiding citizens, etc. The ability to free speach, voting, and other rights should never be witheld from them. And violence against them should absolutely never be tolerated. And you're a fool, and at worst a poor christian, to treat a friendly homosexual in a rude manner. You can recognize sin in others (and in yourself) without treating the other (or yourself) badly.
As for marriage? Government shouldn't recognize marriage at all. It should be left to private individuals, and their private institutions, to determine such arrangements. Don't want to recognize, subsidize, or have government tell you homosexual marriage is equal? Now you won't. Don't want government telling you, you can't be married (or some similar relationship)? Now you won't. This whole debate would die in the political arena, if it was to cease to exist in the political arena.
My only beef with this thread has been the medium. I found the exhibit to be silly. I think there are better arguements than what animals do. I've read of dolphins getting randy with humans swimming with them. It's just not a great arguement to me. The arguement I explain above, a more libertarian ideal, seems to go alot farther to me. Government can be a two-edged blade, you might like what it recognizes now, but you could despise what it recognizes later. Leave these matters outside the scope of government.
Oh, all 33 of them? They came here to establish a utopia. The english didn't like them, but the pilgrims weren't being persecuted as people like to say they were, the english even paid for their journey . But I know exactly what you mean, this country was based on the acceptance of other people, and equal rights.
It's basis of law & order started with the Common Law.
Originally posted by shamall This topic is so damn stupid. People should be allowed to marry who ever the hell they want as long as both parties agree to it and are of age. Untill my boss comes to me and says, well since those two gay guys down the street got married I'm gonna have to take 50 dollars out of your pay, I could give a rats ass who they marry. It has no effect what so ever on my life and to the people screaming about how wrong it is or its against gods will need to get a freaking clue and mind their own damn business. This reeks of discrimination and people pushing their religeous beliefs onto others which (forgive me if I'm wrong) is suppose to be a big no no in america. Freedom of religeon anyone???? You know, one of the reasons the pilgrims came here in the first place???? God forgive me for quoting Al Sharpton but he said it best....."I may believe that you will burn in hell for what you are doing but I will defend your right as an American to do it with my last breath." May not be exact but that is pretty much what he said on national television.
As a religious institution, at least in the christian faith, marriage between two men, or two women conflicts with the essential text of the religion...therefore it is impossible for anybody who wants to call themselves a Christian to allow a wedding between two people of the same sex and have that marriage be recognized by the church...now the government is a different story. But the government cannot force churches to marry who the government tells it to marry.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Xexima Originally posted by shamall This topic is so damn stupid. People should be allowed to marry who ever the hell they want as long as both parties agree to it and are of age. Untill my boss comes to me and says, well since those two gay guys down the street got married I'm gonna have to take 50 dollars out of your pay, I could give a rats ass who they marry. It has no effect what so ever on my life and to the people screaming about how wrong it is or its against gods will need to get a freaking clue and mind their own damn business. This reeks of discrimination and people pushing their religeous beliefs onto others which (forgive me if I'm wrong) is suppose to be a big no no in america. Freedom of religeon anyone???? You know, one of the reasons the pilgrims came here in the first place????Oh, all 33 of them? They came here to establish a utopia. The english didn't like them, but the pilgrims weren't being persecuted as people like to say they were, the english even paid for their journey . But I know exactly what you mean, this country was based on the acceptance of other people, and equal rights. God forgive me for quoting Al Sharpton but he said it best....."I may believe that you will burn in hell for what you are doing but I will defend your right as an American to do it with my last breath." May not be exact but that is pretty much what he said on national television.Yay for volitaire impersonators. But I totally agree.
actually one of the people voltaire was mentoring said that while he paraphrased what Voltaire said...common misconception
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
Originally posted by Draenor Of course, that also gets into the userping of roles in society, heterosexual or homosexual aside....I have a strong suspision about why the suicide rate is so much higher among males than females...and it's not because they are sexually frustrated.
The reason why is that males perfer to blow their heads off and females perfer to use less drastic suicidal measures that can be corrected before it is too late.
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Originally posted by Draenor Of course, that also gets into the userping of roles in society, heterosexual or homosexual aside....I have a strong suspision about why the suicide rate is so much higher among males than females...and it's not because they are sexually frustrated.
The reason why is that males perfer to blow their heads off and females perfer to use less drastic suicidal measures that can be corrected before it is too late.
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
Hmm, Thats amazing. I've been telling everyone to go blow their heads off for ages, but now I realize I should be more gender oriented when telling someone to go commit suicide
From now on, I'll tell Females to go OD on Tylenol. I wouldn't want them to deviate from the trend, now would I?
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Originally posted by mithrandir72 Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Draenor Of course, that also gets into the userping of roles in society, heterosexual or homosexual aside....I have a strong suspision about why the suicide rate is so much higher among males than females...and it's not because they are sexually frustrated.
The reason why is that males perfer to blow their heads off and females perfer to use less drastic suicidal measures that can be corrected before it is too late.
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
Hmm, Thats amazing. I've been telling everyone to go blow their heads off for ages, but now I realize I should be more gender oriented when telling someone to go commit suicide
From now on, I'll tell Females to go OD on Tylenol. I wouldn't want them to deviate from the trend, now would I?
That's what the coroner reports say
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Originally posted by Draenor Of course, that also gets into the userping of roles in society, heterosexual or homosexual aside....I have a strong suspision about why the suicide rate is so much higher among males than females...and it's not because they are sexually frustrated.
The reason why is that males perfer to blow their heads off and females perfer to use less drastic suicidal measures that can be corrected before it is too late.
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
Hmm, Thats amazing. I've been telling everyone to go blow their heads off for ages, but now I realize I should be more gender oriented when telling someone to go commit suicide
From now on, I'll tell Females to go OD on Tylenol. I wouldn't want them to deviate from the trend, now would I?
That's what the coroner reports say
While interesting as that may be, it doesn't touch on the numbers of attempted suicide...so it doesn't really refute anything that I said
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
While interesting as that may be, it doesn't touch on the numbers of attempted suicide...so it doesn't really refute anything that I said
Never said attempted before but that answer is simple.
Fat guys have it rougher then fat chicks, think about it! I personally know 10 guys who dig chicks twice their mass. I know zero chicks that dig fat dudes (EVEN FAT CHICKS MIND YOU).
If you couldn't get laid, then you would attempt wack yourself too
(maybe I'm confusing terms, wack yourself does sound right though....)
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
While interesting as that may be, it doesn't touch on the numbers of attempted suicide...so it doesn't really refute anything that I said
Never said attempted before but that answer is simple.
Fat guys have it rougher then fat chicks, think about it! I personally know 10 guys who dig chicks twice their mass. I know zero chicks that dig fat dudes (EVEN FAT CHICKS MIND YOU).
If you couldn't get laid, then you would attempt wack yourself too
(maybe I'm confusing terms, wack yourself does sound right though....)
I believe that you might be over simplifying it a little...I really doubt that very many guys are kililng themselves because they can't get laid...and the suicide rate has been going up in recent decades, fat people have always existed and relationships problems have always existed...so I don't think that looking to some emo kids slitting their wrists because nobody loves them really explains the rise in suicide in recent times.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Draenor Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo Originally posted by Draenor
While interesting as that may be, it doesn't touch on the numbers of attempted suicide...so it doesn't really refute anything that I said
Never said attempted before but that answer is simple.
Fat guys have it rougher then fat chicks, think about it! I personally know 10 guys who dig chicks twice their mass. I know zero chicks that dig fat dudes (EVEN FAT CHICKS MIND YOU).
If you couldn't get laid, then you would attempt wack yourself too
(maybe I'm confusing terms, wack yourself does sound right though....) I believe that you might be over simplifying it a little...I really doubt that very many guys are kililng themselves because they can't get laid...and the suicide rate has been going up in recent decades, fat people have always existed and relationships problems have always existed...so I don't think that looking to some emo kids slitting their wrists because nobody loves them really explains the rise in suicide in recent times. But so has obesity in the USA (going up in recent decades), both are going up and yet fat chicks can still get non-fat dudes.
What's Achem's Razor say "the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation?"
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
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The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
That sounds a little more accurate. It's amazing how we discriminate against 3% of the US population. Imagine if we said Muslims couldn't get married.
But you don't want them to get married.
....Lol?
And why not? It isn't affecting you after all, let us marry the people we love. It isn't fair hetrosexuals are allowed to marry, but homosexuals arn't. And the whole "omg but god says it's a sin!!" is bullshit. We're not all christians or believe in the same "god" Thats taking away the rights from non-christians.
Actualy in fact, my religion says it's damn perfectly fine to be hetrosexuals, or homosexual. And yet my right to marry the person I want to marry, has been taken away.
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I forgot to add that this is an insane thread. Some of you have some pathetic complex reasoning skills. Just because you can find one or two sources that support your theory does not mean that opposing theories are automatically wrong.
That was a good try at a brutal attack. What would motivate you to feel so passionate about this to try to attack someone that way?
Ok. Essentially it goes something like this, that statement was not really needed for this argument and was merely an extention of your self-rightous nature. Of course the hypocricy is that you in no way act like you would rather be surrounded by unique people when you post on these boards. Instead you do exactly what you claim you wouldn't by scorning whomever doesn't agree with you.
I forgot to add that this is an insane thread. Some of you have some pathetic complex reasoning skills. Just because you can find one or two sources that support your theory does not mean that opposing theories are automatically wrong.
That was a good try at a brutal attack. What would motivate you to feel so passionate about this to try to attack someone that way?
Ok. Essentially it goes something like this, that statement was not really needed for this argument and was merely an extention of your self-rightous nature. Of course the hypocricy is that you in no way act like you would rather be surrounded by unique people when you post on these boards. Instead you do exactly what you claim you wouldn't by scorning whomever doesn't agree with you.
I state my disagreements with other people and debate them with respect. You must have me mistaken with someone else. Or maybe you just look at someone disagreeing with you in a hostile way. Whatever the reason, I'm secure enough to know I'm fair and don't look down on others. Maybe you should go back and read some of my posts.
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The only way we would know for certain is if being gay wasn't taboo, and one's way of life didn't feel threatened by coming out of the closet. But, as some posts in this thread have proven, we are far from that point.
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The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The only way we would know for certain is if being gay wasn't taboo, and one's way of life didn't feel threatened by coming out of the closet. But, as some posts in this thread have proven, we are far from that point.
No worries, we'll get to that point eventually. It's going to take years, but it will happen. ^^
Independant, Shinto, Lesbian, and Proud!
The 10% thrown about is from an old study that was proven to be skewered/incorrect.
The actual % is said to be somewhere around 3.
I would think it's more than 3% of the population is gay.
Of course, how would anyone know for certain?
The only way we would know for certain is if being gay wasn't taboo, and one's way of life didn't feel threatened by coming out of the closet. But, as some posts in this thread have proven, we are far from that point.
And may I add, if people were allowed to accept who they are and come to terms with their sexuality. Then people could stop bearing false witness to themselves and society. There would then be far less people living in emotional pain.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
This topic is so damn stupid. People should be allowed to marry who ever the hell they want as long as both parties agree to it and are of age.
Untill my boss comes to me and says, well since those two gay guys down the street got married I'm gonna have to take 50 dollars out of your pay, I could give a rats ass who they marry. It has no effect what so ever on my life and to the people screaming about how wrong it is or its against gods will need to get a freaking clue and mind their own damn business.
This reeks of discrimination and people pushing their religeous beliefs onto others which (forgive me if I'm wrong) is suppose to be a big no no in america. Freedom of religeon anyone???? You know, one of the reasons the pilgrims came here in the first place????
God forgive me for quoting Al Sharpton but he said it best....."I may believe that you will burn in hell for what you are doing but I will defend your right as an American to do it with my last breath." May not be exact but that is pretty much what he said on national television.
The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave
I'll be honest. In my faith, it's a sin. And, I'd call it abnormal based on the evolutionary design of the two sexes. The penis' deisign, beyond a doubt, is to impregnate the female sex. The female, beyond a doubt, is to carry the child to term. Please don't quote me for debate on this. I'm not interested, and it's not my main point.
Regardless of my beliefs above, homosexuals are consenting. There are no victims. They can be just as patriotic, just as compassionate, excellent law-abiding citizens, etc. The ability to free speach, voting, and other rights should never be witheld from them. And violence against them should absolutely never be tolerated. And you're a fool, and at worst a poor christian, to treat a friendly homosexual in a rude manner. You can recognize sin in others (and in yourself) without treating the other (or yourself) badly.
As for marriage? Government shouldn't recognize marriage at all. It should be left to private individuals, and their private institutions, to determine such arrangements. Don't want to recognize, subsidize, or have government tell you homosexual marriage is equal? Now you won't. Don't want government telling you, you can't be married (or some similar relationship)? Now you won't. This whole debate would die in the political arena, if it was to cease to exist in the political arena.
My only beef with this thread has been the medium. I found the exhibit to be silly. I think there are better arguements than what animals do. I've read of dolphins getting randy with humans swimming with them. It's just not a great arguement to me. The arguement I explain above, a more libertarian ideal, seems to go alot farther to me. Government can be a two-edged blade, you might like what it recognizes now, but you could despise what it recognizes later. Leave these matters outside the scope of government.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
actually one of the people voltaire was mentoring said that while he paraphrased what Voltaire said...common misconception
I hope some day we can all put aside our racisms and prejudices and just laugh at people
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
Hmm, Thats amazing. I've been telling everyone to go blow their heads off for ages, but now I realize I should be more gender oriented when telling someone to go commit suicide
From now on, I'll tell Females to go OD on Tylenol. I wouldn't want them to deviate from the trend, now would I?
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
Hmm, Thats amazing. I've been telling everyone to go blow their heads off for ages, but now I realize I should be more gender oriented when telling someone to go commit suicide
From now on, I'll tell Females to go OD on Tylenol. I wouldn't want them to deviate from the trend, now would I?
That's what the coroner reports say
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Top 3 male choices for suicide in the USA:
1- Blow your head off.
2- Hang yourself.
3- High impact suicide (Jumping infront of a train, jumping from a building, ect...)
Top 3 female choices for suicide in the USA (may not be in the correct order but the male's suicide is):
1- Pills, OD
2- Slit wrists
3- CO poisoning
As you can see, it is easier to prevent a woman's suicide over a man's.
Hmm, Thats amazing. I've been telling everyone to go blow their heads off for ages, but now I realize I should be more gender oriented when telling someone to go commit suicide
From now on, I'll tell Females to go OD on Tylenol. I wouldn't want them to deviate from the trend, now would I?
That's what the coroner reports say
While interesting as that may be, it doesn't touch on the numbers of attempted suicide...so it doesn't really refute anything that I said
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Never said attempted before but that answer is simple.
Fat guys have it rougher then fat chicks, think about it! I personally know 10 guys who dig chicks twice their mass. I know zero chicks that dig fat dudes (EVEN FAT CHICKS MIND YOU).
If you couldn't get laid, then you would attempt wack yourself too
(maybe I'm confusing terms, wack yourself does sound right though....)
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Fat guys have it rougher then fat chicks, think about it! I personally know 10 guys who dig chicks twice their mass. I know zero chicks that dig fat dudes (EVEN FAT CHICKS MIND YOU).
If you couldn't get laid, then you would attempt wack yourself too
(maybe I'm confusing terms, wack yourself does sound right though....)
I believe that you might be over simplifying it a little...I really doubt that very many guys are kililng themselves because they can't get laid...and the suicide rate has been going up in recent decades, fat people have always existed and relationships problems have always existed...so I don't think that looking to some emo kids slitting their wrists because nobody loves them really explains the rise in suicide in recent times.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Fat guys have it rougher then fat chicks, think about it! I personally know 10 guys who dig chicks twice their mass. I know zero chicks that dig fat dudes (EVEN FAT CHICKS MIND YOU).
If you couldn't get laid, then you would attempt wack yourself too
(maybe I'm confusing terms, wack yourself does sound right though....)
I believe that you might be over simplifying it a little...I really doubt that very many guys are kililng themselves because they can't get laid...and the suicide rate has been going up in recent decades, fat people have always existed and relationships problems have always existed...so I don't think that looking to some emo kids slitting their wrists because nobody loves them really explains the rise in suicide in recent times.
But so has obesity in the USA (going up in recent decades), both are going up and yet fat chicks can still get non-fat dudes.
What's Achem's Razor say "the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation?"
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.