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do you think this war is lost?
Sempa
Member Posts: 28
To be honest,Im starting to think it is. 
I miss the old days so much.... ¡¡¡¡
Swallow your pride SOE and give us what we want ¡¡¡¡¡
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Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Nasedoo: You said traders would get a revamp under my supervision.
Darth Lord Blixtev: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Agree. Go look at Dead Bloodfin the thread.
I don't claim to be right, I'm just posting.
It's over, go play something else, let your dollars do the talking.
From a certain point of view.
NGE Refugee.
who honestly wins in war anyway?
I don't claim to be right, I'm just posting.
Germans? Forget it he's rolling.
So, yeah. I'd say we both lost this one.
True. If they did Pre-CU servers, we'd have fun. But would it go anywhere? Well, further and longer than the NGE.
I think it has been, for quite some time now.
Thought as you other say that they might have lost more, true
I think i can say that its only SOE that can bring uss back the classic servers, those emu devs arent to clevar.
Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.
It's actually quite ironic that our last best hope for a Classic Server is SWG:Complete, an NGE product.
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It all comes down to: Which would SOE/LEC rather have, a game that makes some money, or a game that is destined to have to close in 3-4 months because it loses money?
The NGE is never going to make them any money. Since the Pre-Cu game was mature when it was dumped, it'd take far less time and money to bring it back and start from there than it would to make a 4th core SWG game or throw the Pre-CU back on top of NGE bit by bit.
To be honest... I'm in a few beta's (notice I didn't say which ones so no NDA violation).. and there is nothing out or coming out that I'm even remotely interested in.
The only game I may even buy retail is Tabla Rasa because it seems at least somewhat different.. unless I get to beta it before release (har) I may change my mind.
With that said I would at least try a classic server.
However, I don't really believe I would ever see any of my former friends/pa members. Which long term would hurt my chances to stay. Perhaps I could make new friends... the question is really.. (not what we'd like to believe) but really how many would even try them or come back.
Some of the stuff that has been said by SOE employees on the forums... those employees would have to be very publicly fired imho to get me to even try classic servers.
Smed doesn't even bother me... so I really don't care if he stays in his office. Its the aholes that come in day after day and crap on us and former players/subscribers... Sorry but any game is optional for me to pay for... and far as I know their pay isn't optional... and based on me paying or enough people anyway.
The flat out trolling ... ah anyway big rant avoided.
I think its pretty much done. I don't even think if they bent over kissed their own arse and apologized to every former SWG player in person.. it would help much at this point.
Just how I see it. I also don't see any great thing coming about IF Lucas Arts licensed a Star Wars MMO to another third party. Sure you might get a good.. even better game at launch.. but in the long run I just see the same stupid crap happening.
I look at the age range LA games target.. then I look at the SOE target... sorry but imho I know who brought up the idea for the NGE.
Lets just say they can share the blame but unless LA gave full control to the next third party (if there is one) I won't even try another Star Wars MMO.
But sooner or later one side has to give in, and im not ready to do
that. I belive we are in our right. And we will have our game back
sooner or later, one way or the other.
Hauken Stormchaser
I want pre-CU back
Station.com : We got your game
Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
Although the German army was in many respects, better than the Allies (at least their generals were), they were bascially alone vs the rest of the world. Sooner or later numbers and attrition was going to get them, as happened in October 1918.
Same thing here, SOE/LEC are outnumbered. Not only do the number of angry vets far outnumber their active subscribers, what they have left is still at the point of mutiny because even the majority of them are disguntled vets as well.
They are either going to have to give in (classic servers) or give up (close the game) and soon.
I agree 100%.
If all the people still paying for this game who are not happy with it, would unsubscribe, it'd sunset next week, and the pain would finally stop, for everyone.
C
Don't underestimate the awesome creative power of the Biowarians..."
You're missing the entire point of what I said.
It doesn't matter how creative Bioware is.. when LA holds the license and has say over the game. I put at least half the blame if not more for the NGE on LA. Thus... BioWare with a Star Wars Galaxies type license just doesn't get me to any different destination.
If you look at EP 1, 2, 3 and the upcoming TV show .. what age range do you think that targeted? Oddly the same that was believe to be the massive new market for the NGE.
What SOE game out there targeted that same audience? What other SOE game... was ripped apart like SWG?
That's why I find it a tad um creative to drop the NGE bomb on SOE. There have also been comments made that many choose to ignore...
Regardless I don't care who ended up with a license if LA has any say in what is done with the game. I don't see myself not ending up at an NGE type destination. If they learned their lesson I should have classic servers already...
here is my evidence:
So a few months ago The Man comes along and says "What can we do to make this the most fun game it can possibly be?"
It was the lead designer who holed-up in his office for a few days and then said, "Hey, come look at this."
There's no way we can do that.
There's no way we should do that.
Man that's fun.
The Man will never let us get away with doing that.
We can't do it.
We shouldn't do it.
Oh man that is fun.
When an executive producer sees something that is impossible to do, but which is too fun not to do, he makes a noise like "Hoooooooooph".
My job was to be the guy to say, "Yes we can do that." I had to say this about forty times a day for two months. Lead Designer said it too, of course, but no one believed him, because he's crazy. Obviously.
And they would only believe me for a few minutes at a time.
It's frustrating to see the posts about Raph rolling over in his grave, crying himself to sleep, seeing all his design thrown out the window, etc. The notion seems to be that Raph's game is slow-paced, deliberate, social, "worldy", and in no case ever "fun" vs. this change which tosses-out everything Koster-esque about Galaxies. Specifically, that 'removing the Raph' is what makes it fun.
First off, Star Wars Galaxies is already a whole lot of fun for a whole lot of people. And it was very successful.
And Fast Action Combat and the introduction of classes based on iconic Star Wars character archtypes doesn't toss-out everything Koster-esque about Galaxies. Far from it.
The social elements of Galaxies' design remain, and for good reason. MMOs must be MMOs and not just big single-player games that everyone just happens to play all at once. We wouldn't have gotten things like player cities, entertainers and so on without Raph, and I wouldn't want Galaxies to be without them. Simply removing them wouldn't make the game more fun anyway.
There's a lot of cool in Galaxies. We're making all of it easier to see, easier to get to. """
That was from JFreeman's own blod about how He and lordPall (both SOE people) developed and then SOLD IT UPSTAIRS. Now on to Brenlo of SOE:
"""So, I wanted to clarify that we did, here at SOE conceive and develop the NGE. We did so with the best of intentions, to try and make a better game. No blame or buck is being passed.
We can, and I am sure many of us will, debate for years on end whether this was a good idea. Personally, I believe the concept of the NGE was sound. Some smart guys had some good ideas to make the game better, Jeff being one of them, and they went for it. A bold move and honestly, I am happy to be a part of a company that is not afraid to try something different.
Where did we go wrong? Delivery, we failed in our timing and communication. That is where we let you down most, SWG faithful, and for that I truly apologize.
""""
So there ya go. The NGE came 100% from SOE, and not LA. The SOE spinmeisters have fake people posting all day and night on websites to blame LA for this, but when push comes to shove they have to admit it was their fault, their doing, and THEY CONVINCED LA IT WAS THE DIRECTION TO TAKE. Even prior to the NGE it was Smedley's mismanagaement of the greatest license in the history of licensing and made it a mediocre product by refusing to fix what was wrong.
Okay, I showed you mine, now where is YOUR evidence that LA is at fault?
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