warhammer 25 years much much older than ugly warcraft i love warcraft 3 but wow suck instances are too boring -.- gameplay= ass
warhammer got instanced pvp caputure all town ingame and pvp everywere not like world of gaycrap wow pvp= sux BG? warhamme ris an Bg + yes there is Bg too ofc or arenas ..
You play ur game fine but if you say you like warhammer ur a pos you should say «I like that warcraft copy, its a very good copy of wacraft» and «I ll say if its anything like the original its a great game!» .
I was talking to my guild members about warhammer and they all loled.
sorry but truth is truth hear the fact from my lip: WARcraft -- WARhammer wtf at least find ur own name u bastard company Orcs -- orcs blood Elf. Elf. Night elf ? Dark Elf! Alterac valley? Some retard bg lol bla bla bla u get xp from killing player wth you disgusting noob you can get tokens on bgs that give xp how is that new????? ripoff by the hour craphammer releases ur gonna have at least 2 more expansion on wow how u gonna compete with that tell me? With ARTHAS? reality check
Hmmm I dont see any facts from your lips there, first of all ... it clearly shows that you dont know jack about Warhammer and second of all that you are a pure WoW Fanboi speaking about that you cant kill Ragnaros etc. I can tell that you perhaps are just some kid that didnt even hear of Warhammer way before Warcraft was even heard of. But who cares for that matter and what if Orcs are called Orcs in Warhammer, what is Games Workshop suppose to call them since they've been called that a long time ago and they are definately not going to change their names all because Warcraft got to release their MMO first.
I am not saying WoW is crap but it has had its good moments but it does get boring in the end once you done a lot for almost 2 years, eg exalted for all the BG's and reaching High Warlord and fighting bosses like you say Ragnaros and even further in BWL but I got bored of the game easily because WoW relies on Raiding for Tier no. 1-4 or whatever. I dont want to kill the same big boss over and over for hours each week. There's just no skill involved and it gets boring really easily. In PvP wasnt much skill required when its all about 1-2 shotting peeps I've even 3 shotted a 7k health pally but what does that prove? nothing because its all not so fun anymore . It was fun when I was playing from 1-59 back then and then PvPing with my greens against blues and still win was good for awhile. But once you get the big gear it doesnt give me anything fun when you can take on 3 at once and just instead shows just how gear dependant the game has become. When you see the tokens for exp given now a days, its just showing WoW is running out of ideas back then and they changed a lot all the time. Its starting to lose out on many things and then the TBC was just a little refresher to keep it going for that little while but even that expansion didnt entice me to return cause I know its just 10 levels 2 races and just a new place of looks with raids. Nothing special enough and worse of all they let Pallys be in Horde and Shamans in Alliance , I guess it's just to show that they clearly got their imbalances and trying to sort it out .
If you enjoy PvEing the same boss over and over for hours so much then stick to your WoW , cause in the end we dont need people like you to diss other games all because you dont get tired of killing the same boss over and over.
Warhammer has its own right for its release and its good that they are moving into the RVR experience of where the rewards are and it will have more to do with team play involved for that matter especially the Morale moves which seem to show that people will co-operate not just by their moves of what they can pull off like heals etc but to give the morale to one another and help pull off good team work moves in the end with morale to be let off with a blast. Nice idea I have to say and I look forward to WAR more than ever.
Why would it matter how well WAR does compared to WoW?
You play a game for the entertainment factor. Why care if somone finds entertainment from grouping of pixels to the next.
IMO, this constant "my game is better than your game" is sounding too much like childish schoolground rantings.
"Whosoever shed last blood By man shall his blood be shed For immunity of God make he the man Destroy all that which is evil So that which is good may flourish And I shall count thee among my favored sheep And you shall have the protection of all the angels in Heaven."
Ok this is a genreral fact. This game looks way better then WoW, it actually looks like fun. WoW for peeks sake dont have a big giant war going on. WoW gets boring totatlly, def when end game, what else is there to do, more raiding? I think that is boring, ill rather have a big war going on. WoW doesnt have that, and the fact Chaos on Warhammer makes me want to play it. Gotta look at it this way, every mmorpg copy from the firsts. I seen some gameplay of this game and it looks pretty good. I played WoW til lv 41 it bored the heck out of me. And those who didnt get bored, yall have no life. I got other games to hit. With a actually story. Warhammer is interesting cuase its got some story to it, WoW all you need is the books. So go buy some. Well have some fun on mmos guys. Ill hit ya when warhammer comes out. And ya combat in WoW is more boring,
Warhammer Online will be awesome, to me, just because it will contain the lore that Ive enjoyed for a long time. I"ve read the books, played the rts games, collected some minis. My friends and I can relate tot his game, because it is just so intriguing. The only game with the lore that we enjoy was Star Wars, and sadly SWG now doesnt live up to waht it use to. Games like van guard and others ... well. we might give them a try. but.. We know Warhammer, so, the thing is.. We've been waiting a long time for a game Like "WAR".
The PVP looks excelent, from all the videos I've seen it has the right kind of diversity to me. Every class seems to look interesting in concept, and information layouts that Mythic has provided for us. I'm just hoping that mythic does a good job polishing this game up, and making it the game all of us warhammer fans want to play. And i do hope it attracts hopeful fans too.
I'd say, Mythic has thrown the bowling ball against Blizzard, let's see how many pins they can keep standing.
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First off, let me say that i'm not a WoW fanboy... I was actually really looking forward to WAR but after reading the last preview from gamespy, I must say that i'm extremely disapointed in how this game is coming along.
The bits which left me pretty disapointed were the classes and how they were going to work. From what I can gather, each race will have four classes, Melee dps, Ranged dps, Melee healer and Tank. I will use the empire as an example.. the Melee dps sounds actually really cool being a hunter but the ranged dps is a fire mage.. sure it's not bad but having just fire spells sounds a bit boring after a while. The tank I don't know much about but the melee healer sounds quite boring that you have to hit things to be able to heal. There also won't be any buff classes nor crowd control ones and I also find it strange that there isn't an archer class for the empire at least.
Now correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure Mythic planned on luring the PvP orientated players away from WoW and I know for a fact that's what EA wants so why are they leaving the classes so shallow? The firemages for example aren't going to even touch the depth that the mages have in WoW nor does it look like the Melee healers will attract the conventional priests/healers. The combat, variety and the sheer perfection of different classes WoW had is what I believe made it so popular (along with the way you level ofcourse) and if Mythic don't try and at least sort this area out, they won't ever steal players from WoW. How many of you WoW mages are excited to play the firemage in this? As a mage I sure as hell am not.
Ofcourse this might be due to the warhammer license and trying to keep it as true to the warhammer universe but would you really sacrifice this for depth? On another note, the ingame combat videos i've seen so far look pretty boring. Ofcourse a lot of you will claim that the chars don't have many moves but would you really advertise a game with all the fun taken out of it? I sure as hell know EA wouldn't.
I hope my concerns are shortlived and the game wipes the floor with WoW but as it stands, I can only see this game being a 7.0 one IE: has a lot of great features but doesn't go the extra distance to become an instant success.
You are so wrong in every aspect. Let me tell you why:
THERE ARE NO ARCHETYPE CLASSES
WAR doesn't follow the holy triangle (tank, dps, healer), nor does it try to. In WAR, every class is everything. If you decide to go for a warrior priest, you can't just heal your teammates. On the other hand, you can't just fight. However, the important notice here is the fact that you can do both thing well.
You say that makes a game shallow? Hah! A shallow game is where you play an archetype. What would be most monotonous and shallow? Finding a balance between 2 roles, something that depends on each, unique situation, or pressing the same heal button over and over again?
WAR is a PvP game
WAR is not for PVE, so obviously they don't try to steal players from WoW. Neither should they. It is a very stupid thing, simply because you can't. WoW is too established today. It is too ambitious and arrogant to do so, too.
WoW is not a success...
... unless you measure it by number of subscriptions. WoW's easy learning curve and archetype classes are what made it so popular. It was an oversimplified RPG with a lot of players! How awesome is that! Everything from the interface to the raiding of dungeons we just so simple. Too simple.
However, the shallowness of the whole game, which is strongly enchanced by the pop-culture references and the general superficial relationship to the lore etc, is its fall. There is no longevity in the game. Once you reach 60 (or 70, I quit a long time ago), there's nothing left. "Oh sure there is! They just added a new dungeon". WRONG! Adding a new dungeon does not mean more stuff to do, it simply means you have another place where you press '2' "Greater heal". "You have to use different tactics every time, too!". Well, you mean you have to stand a few feet further back, or perhaps you have to run to a special spot now and then, which forces you to actually be there? Hardly innovating.
Conclusion
WoW will always be a more successful game measured by subscriptioners. However, as a game it totally scrapes the buttom.
Warhammer has a huge lore and massive amounts of back stories. Mythic also said that WAR will have dark and gritty humour, something which is excactly how a good, deep, and rich game should be, stick to its own universe.
Originally posted by Senden
Originally posted by Elda
You say that the 9 classes you have in WAR, are better then the 24 UNIQUE classes in WAR?
You say that the WoW mage looks more fun then the Bright Wizard, you probably say that because you think it's boring to only be able to use fire. Well, you know what, it's WAR, you should blow things up. IMHO it's better to have 20 different ways to blow someone up, then to have 20 spells that do the same but look different. And as each race will have some kind of 'mage' you can just choose another, if you're bored of fire, play a magus, or a Goblin Shaman, or a Dwarf Runepriest, or one of the Elven mages that aren't revealed yet. I think it's better to have 6 different kinds of mages that each has their own unique way of killing others, then have 1 mage that can do all.
About the healing, did you watch the video Paul Barnett () made about healing classes? It explains pretty well why there are no healing classes. It's WAR, we're here to kill stuff not to stand at the back healing others.
Have you played WoW? Do you understand how the mages work? There are Fire, Ice and Arcane magic spells.. the fire usually causes dots and can stun, ice slows them down and can freeze them in place and arcane.. well looks pretty. You also have the ability to sheep, blink and teleport plus create ice shields amongst other things.
So Paul Barnett's excuse for not giving the classes more depth is that because it's WAR? Well if that's the case, I really don't think WAR will do that well in the end and be alongside other titles which have failed to steal WoW customers. Having said this, I really do want WAR to succeed but the more info coming out for it, the worse it sounds.
Ok, here we go again...
Do you think bright wizard will have 20 different DD spells? Or perhaps a 50/50 split between dots and DDs? I've never heard something so stupid. You're basing your arguements on assumptions, which you made by only reading a tiny fraction of the character description. Yes, bright wizards will be all about fire. That leaves room for a lot of in-depth traits and spells rather than 20 shallow spells in 3 different trees.
You know what freaked me out the first time I saw a WoW mage? That they used both fire, arcane and ice spells. Where's the characteristics of the mage?! A mage should be defined by his magic, not the fact that he can use magic.
Ok this is a genreral fact. This game looks way better then WoW, it actually looks like fun. WoW for peeks sake dont have a big giant war going on. WoW gets boring totatlly, def when end game, what else is there to do, more raiding? I think that is boring, ill rather have a big war going on. WoW doesnt have that, and the fact Chaos on Warhammer makes me want to play it. Gotta look at it this way, every mmorpg copy from the firsts. I seen some gameplay of this game and it looks pretty good. I played WoW til lv 41 it bored the heck out of me. And those who didnt get bored, yall have no life. I got other games to hit. With a actually story. Warhammer is interesting cuase its got some story to it, WoW all you need is the books. So go buy some. Well have some fun on mmos guys. Ill hit ya when warhammer comes out. And ya combat in WoW is more boring,
ok in general you have no damn clue what you are talking about. However yes I expect warhammer to be a much better game.
Someone in another thread mentioned the Dragon Princes of Caledor. However, I don't think that person realizes that the DPs are a pure Cavalry unit. I wouldn't plan on seeing them.
I don't really want to hijack this wonderful WoW vs WAR thread... but this caught my interest. I am indeed that "someone in another thread". And just to set the record straight, I felt compelled to mention that, yes... I did realise that Dragon Princes are a cavalry unit - just like the Knights of the Burning Sun - and yes, I did link directly to the cavalry unit in question. But perhaps you're right - Swordmasters of Hoeth would be my second guess...
My apologies to the OP for straying off topic...
Anyway... and speaking of guesswork, I imagine that WAR will do well. Warhammer has had a world-wide following for many, many years and a lot of people enjoy the TT games. I'd say that would be a pretty good customer base to start with. It means that it's almost guarenteed that plenty of people will take the plunge and buy it straight off the shelf - especially with EA marketing it.
As for the World of Warcraft comparisons, I really couldn't say for sure. You see, I haven't played WAR yet, so any opinion I could make would be pure conjecture and little else. I do like what I am seeing with the progress of WAR so far - it has a lot of interesting ideas concerning the game play and the available professions, but it all bears little resemblance to WoW as a whole, IMHO. In fact, I don't much care about WoW - I played it, really enjoyed it for a while, and then stopped playing it. WAR seems to be a completely different kettle of fish - it's something new - and I like that
Woohoo, its that "someone in another thread!" You don't usually hear from them in forum discussions.
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I wonder whats the point of this post. I for sure dont want another WoW I am so sick of it already. WAR will bring a lot of innovative features and help move the mmorpg genre forward- no raiding for lootz, pvp/pve not forced on you (can choose which you rather do), public quest system, etc. I wish people would read up more on WAR rather than prejudging it based on some sort of preview.
I wonder whats the point of this post. I for sure dont want another WoW I am so sick of it already. WAR will bring a lot of innovative features and help move the mmorpg genre forward- no raiding for lootz, pvp/pve not forced on you (can choose which you rather do), public quest system, etc. I wish people would read up more on WAR rather than prejudging it based on some sort of preview.
QFT!
I am just like you tired of meaningless posts like theese. This game is VERY different from WoW and will kick-ass and actually make a challenge against WoW.
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First of all, I DO agree with most here that is too soon to talk about depth of the Bright Wizard (or any other classes), But i DO see where the OP come from too.
Let's take DAoC for example, in particular the Fire Wizard from Albion (nearest thing you can get to a Bright wizard so far). it has 8 spells. 8!! a WoW Wizard? 40+ spells, more than 5 times the number.
Now granted, the newest class of Daoc have 20+ spells/abilities, so there is hope for the Bright Wizard, but let's make this thread useful and send a clear message to EA Mythic:
Yes, I'm well aware of the skill system and all that stuff, but please, OH PLEASE, make the bright wizard much much better than a DAoC Fire Wizard! 8 spells are NOT enough! we want waaaaaaay more!
That being said, the Warhammer RP also has Bright wizard and here is what they can do:
Aqshy's Aegis: Area of Effect Fire immunity. Both natural and magical fires
Boiling Blood: Fire DoT
Breathe Fire: Cone DD
Burning Vengeance: Compell target to attack whoever you want
Cauterize: Stop bleeding
Choleric: (lesser version of Burning Vengeance)
Conflagration of Doom: AoE Uber Fire DD
Consuming Wrath: Give berserker fury: buff melee abilities but inflict small wounds. target must attack nearest creature
Crown of Fire: buff to leadership skills and enemies must do test to attack you
Curtain of Flame: Wall of Fire like spell
Fiery Blast: 1d10 bolts
Fire Ball: 2-4 mini-bolts
Fires of U'zhul: 1 bolt
Flaming Sword of Rhuin: gives magical flaming weapons and buff your attacks
Flashcook: insta cook/boil
Hearts of Fire: PBAoE Buff to resist fear/terror
Inextinguishable Flame: makes one flame impossible to put out and consume no fuel
Ruin and Destruction: Instantly destroy one non-living object
Shield of Aqshy: selff fire resist buff
Taste of Fire: makes food higly spicy or drinks more alcoholic.
So yeah, many attack spells, but also some utility spells, some buffs and some defense.
Of course this spells run the gamut of fire wizards: flashcook can be done by everybody while only lord wizards can ever hope to cast Conflagration of Doom.
Some spells are useless in a MMorpg but this is only to show how inventive Game Workshop (Well.. Green Ronin here) can be with just fire spells. The presence of GW personnel on board make us sure they will take from this as inspiration for their bright wizard spells
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Do not worry.The developers and publishers these days have all become "used car salesmen".I mean they all lie through their teeth to get you to buy their product.Just take for example the so called "minimum required" to play their games.
When a tech. dev. tells me that his game was made so that I would only have to spend 150$ on a mediocre graphic card
and all will be good in about a year from now,I just shake my head.THAT WAS NOT IN THE SPECS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY HIS GAME!
WAR will probably be a mix between WOW and VANGAURD.Just hope you can play it with your machine and worry about the content once your in the game.
Originally posted by Senden TBC won't cripple WoW the next expansion will. If they raise the level cap again (which you know they will,) people will start questioning the point of farming instances for gear which will become obsolete with the next expansion. Once people stop doing instances, WoW will lose quite a few players. The PvPers are waiting for the next big game but sadly I think that's going to be age of conan.
An Age Of Conan Fanbois moonlighting as just a everyday poster, and now your jaded point of view makes sense. Every review Ive read so far about Warhammer has been completely positive.
And as far as classes being simple...boring, do you have a skill set for all the classes in Warhammer? Does anyone? No,your opinion is based on next to nothing.
If I was to watch Claude Monet start painting, and after 3 or 4 brush strokes claim that this painting was awful and just wouldnt sell...Claude just might tell me that its not Finished. Well Warhammer isnt do out till sometime NEXT YEAR.
Not out till next year at the EARLIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AOC Devs have nothing on the Mythic/EA team. Not only has Mythic Produced DAOC, one of the best PVP based games to date imo, it is also going strong with the subs.
And for Anofalye, if your a pvp fan, your a pvp fan. Dont bring up LORE and how this game wont feel ONE hundred percet WARHAMMER PERFECT.
You know why I will play this game, MYTHIC....PVP....MYTHIC. Need I say more?
Originally posted by spikenog Sadly, no game will ever reach the heights of WoW (except for WoW 2). WoW is a great game, it has all the elements that the majority of people require, easy to play, runs well on old systems, etc...WAR will be a great game regardless of not being able to conquer WoW's sub numbers.
And you know this because... you have a Crystal Ball right??
Give it a rest. None of you can predict how well or how badly a game will do. We will have to wait and see.
If by chance it doesnt overtake WoW in the subs department, are you gonna cry?
i just pray to the gods of gaming that WAR doesnt come close to the popularity of WOW. everything that is wrong with WOW (almost)stems from its huge playerbase.
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WARcraft -- WARhammer wtf at least find ur own name u bastard company
Orcs -- orcs
blood Elf. Elf. Night elf ? Dark Elf!
Alterac valley? Some retard bg lol
bla bla bla u get xp from killing player wth you disgusting noob you can get tokens on bgs that give xp how is that new????? ripoff
by the hour craphammer releases ur gonna have at least 2 more expansion on wow how u gonna compete with that tell me? With ARTHAS? reality check
warhammer 25 years much much older than ugly warcraft i love warcraft 3 but wow suck instances are too boring -.- gameplay= ass
warhammer got instanced pvp caputure all town ingame and pvp everywere not like world of gaycrap wow pvp= sux BG? warhamme ris an Bg + yes there is Bg too ofc or arenas ..
Guys, Coma is just being sarcastic. If you look at his other posts, he's pretty funny.
His reply to "Award for the most anticipated release in 2007"
"Where's Darkfall
"
HAHAHAHA.
i cant put any sense into you!
You play ur game fine but if you say you like warhammer ur a pos you should say «I like that warcraft copy, its a very good copy of wacraft» and «I ll say if its anything like the original its a great game!» .
I was talking to my guild members about warhammer and they all loled.
I am not saying WoW is crap but it has had its good moments but it does get boring in the end once you done a lot for almost 2 years, eg exalted for all the BG's and reaching High Warlord and fighting bosses like you say Ragnaros and even further in BWL but I got bored of the game easily because WoW relies on Raiding for Tier no. 1-4 or whatever. I dont want to kill the same big boss over and over for hours each week. There's just no skill involved and it gets boring really easily. In PvP wasnt much skill required when its all about 1-2 shotting peeps I've even 3 shotted a 7k health pally but what does that prove? nothing because its all not so fun anymore . It was fun when I was playing from 1-59 back then and then PvPing with my greens against blues and still win was good for awhile. But once you get the big gear it doesnt give me anything fun when you can take on 3 at once and just instead shows just how gear dependant the game has become. When you see the tokens for exp given now a days, its just showing WoW is running out of ideas back then and they changed a lot all the time. Its starting to lose out on many things and then the TBC was just a little refresher to keep it going for that little while but even that expansion didnt entice me to return cause I know its just 10 levels 2 races and just a new place of looks with raids. Nothing special enough and worse of all they let Pallys be in Horde and Shamans in Alliance , I guess it's just to show that they clearly got their imbalances and trying to sort it out .
If you enjoy PvEing the same boss over and over for hours so much then stick to your WoW , cause in the end we dont need people like you to diss other games all because you dont get tired of killing the same boss over and over.
Warhammer has its own right for its release and its good that they are moving into the RVR experience of where the rewards are and it will have more to do with team play involved for that matter especially the Morale moves which seem to show that people will co-operate not just by their moves of what they can pull off like heals etc but to give the morale to one another and help pull off good team work moves in the end with morale to be let off with a blast. Nice idea I have to say and I look forward to WAR more than ever.
Give him some slack, tlk on hiz own lvl LOL.
Why would it matter how well WAR does compared to WoW?
You play a game for the entertainment factor. Why care if somone finds entertainment from grouping of pixels to the next.
IMO, this constant "my game is better than your game" is sounding too much like childish schoolground rantings.
"Whosoever shed last blood
By man shall his blood be shed
For immunity of God make he the man
Destroy all that which is evil
So that which is good may flourish
And I shall count thee among my favored sheep
And you shall have the protection of all the angels in Heaven."
Pros of WAR:
1. Made by Mythic.
2. Its Warhammer
3. It will attract a Warhammer fanbase.
Cons:
cant think of any.
Warhammer Online will be awesome, to me, just because it will contain the lore that Ive enjoyed for a long time. I"ve read the books, played the rts games, collected some minis. My friends and I can relate tot his game, because it is just so intriguing. The only game with the lore that we enjoy was Star Wars, and sadly SWG now doesnt live up to waht it use to. Games like van guard and others ... well. we might give them a try. but.. We know Warhammer, so, the thing is.. We've been waiting a long time for a game Like "WAR".
The PVP looks excelent, from all the videos I've seen it has the right kind of diversity to me. Every class seems to look interesting in concept, and information layouts that Mythic has provided for us. I'm just hoping that mythic does a good job polishing this game up, and making it the game all of us warhammer fans want to play. And i do hope it attracts hopeful fans too.
dont forget that this game uses a modified daoc engine ..
that means that were likely to see the following (because daoc already has them)
- boats/skiffs
-seige engines/catapults/battering rams
-destructable terrain/castles/walls
-non instanced player housing
-mounts
pretty much anything daoc has will likel be in wow albiet probabally slightly advanced...
at least i hope so
Its WAR not wow, get the game straight lol
-Ex
You call me evil.
I call myself good.
I call you dumb
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
You are so wrong in every aspect. Let me tell you why:THERE ARE NO ARCHETYPE CLASSES
WAR doesn't follow the holy triangle (tank, dps, healer), nor does it try to. In WAR, every class is everything. If you decide to go for a warrior priest, you can't just heal your teammates. On the other hand, you can't just fight. However, the important notice here is the fact that you can do both thing well.
You say that makes a game shallow? Hah! A shallow game is where you play an archetype. What would be most monotonous and shallow? Finding a balance between 2 roles, something that depends on each, unique situation, or pressing the same heal button over and over again?
WAR is a PvP game
WAR is not for PVE, so obviously they don't try to steal players from WoW. Neither should they. It is a very stupid thing, simply because you can't. WoW is too established today. It is too ambitious and arrogant to do so, too.
WoW is not a success...
... unless you measure it by number of subscriptions. WoW's easy learning curve and archetype classes are what made it so popular. It was an oversimplified RPG with a lot of players! How awesome is that! Everything from the interface to the raiding of dungeons we just so simple. Too simple.
However, the shallowness of the whole game, which is strongly enchanced by the pop-culture references and the general superficial relationship to the lore etc, is its fall. There is no longevity in the game. Once you reach 60 (or 70, I quit a long time ago), there's nothing left. "Oh sure there is! They just added a new dungeon". WRONG! Adding a new dungeon does not mean more stuff to do, it simply means you have another place where you press '2' "Greater heal". "You have to use different tactics every time, too!". Well, you mean you have to stand a few feet further back, or perhaps you have to run to a special spot now and then, which forces you to actually be there? Hardly innovating.
Conclusion
WoW will always be a more successful game measured by subscriptioners. However, as a game it totally scrapes the buttom.
Warhammer has a huge lore and massive amounts of back stories. Mythic also said that WAR will have dark and gritty humour, something which is excactly how a good, deep, and rich game should be, stick to its own universe.
Ok, here we go again...
Do you think bright wizard will have 20 different DD spells? Or perhaps a 50/50 split between dots and DDs? I've never heard something so stupid. You're basing your arguements on assumptions, which you made by only reading a tiny fraction of the character description. Yes, bright wizards will be all about fire. That leaves room for a lot of in-depth traits and spells rather than 20 shallow spells in 3 different trees.
You know what freaked me out the first time I saw a WoW mage? That they used both fire, arcane and ice spells. Where's the characteristics of the mage?! A mage should be defined by his magic, not the fact that he can use magic.
I don't really want to hijack this wonderful WoW vs WAR thread... but this caught my interest. I am indeed that "someone in another thread". And just to set the record straight, I felt compelled to mention that, yes... I did realise that Dragon Princes are a cavalry unit - just like the Knights of the Burning Sun - and yes, I did link directly to the cavalry unit in question.
My apologies to the OP for straying off topic...
Anyway... and speaking of guesswork, I imagine that WAR will do well. Warhammer has had a world-wide following for many, many years and a lot of people enjoy the TT games. I'd say that would be a pretty good customer base to start with. It means that it's almost guarenteed that plenty of people will take the plunge and buy it straight off the shelf - especially with EA marketing it.
As for the World of Warcraft comparisons, I really couldn't say for sure. You see, I haven't played WAR yet, so any opinion I could make would be pure conjecture and little else. I do like what I am seeing with the progress of WAR so far - it has a lot of interesting ideas concerning the game play and the available professions, but it all bears little resemblance to WoW as a whole, IMHO. In fact, I don't much care about WoW - I played it, really enjoyed it for a while, and then stopped playing it. WAR seems to be a completely different kettle of fish - it's something new - and I like that
Woohoo, its that "someone in another thread!" You don't usually hear from them in forum discussions.
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-Blind Guardian
I am just like you tired of meaningless posts like theese. This game is VERY different from WoW and will kick-ass and actually make a challenge against WoW.
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First of all, I DO agree with most here that is too soon to talk about depth of the Bright Wizard (or any other classes), But i DO see where the OP come from too.
Let's take DAoC for example, in particular the Fire Wizard from Albion (nearest thing you can get to a Bright wizard so far). it has 8 spells. 8!! a WoW Wizard? 40+ spells, more than 5 times the number.
Now granted, the newest class of Daoc have 20+ spells/abilities, so there is hope for the Bright Wizard, but let's make this thread useful and send a clear message to EA Mythic:
Yes, I'm well aware of the skill system and all that stuff, but please, OH PLEASE, make the bright wizard much much better than a DAoC Fire Wizard! 8 spells are NOT enough! we want waaaaaaay more!
That being said, the Warhammer RP also has Bright wizard and here is what they can do:
Aqshy's Aegis: Area of Effect Fire immunity. Both natural and magical fires
Boiling Blood: Fire DoT
Breathe Fire: Cone DD
Burning Vengeance: Compell target to attack whoever you want
Cauterize: Stop bleeding
Choleric: (lesser version of Burning Vengeance)
Conflagration of Doom: AoE Uber Fire DD
Consuming Wrath: Give berserker fury: buff melee abilities but inflict small wounds. target must attack nearest creature
Crown of Fire: buff to leadership skills and enemies must do test to attack you
Curtain of Flame: Wall of Fire like spell
Fiery Blast: 1d10 bolts
Fire Ball: 2-4 mini-bolts
Fires of U'zhul: 1 bolt
Flaming Sword of Rhuin: gives magical flaming weapons and buff your attacks
Flashcook: insta cook/boil
Hearts of Fire: PBAoE Buff to resist fear/terror
Inextinguishable Flame: makes one flame impossible to put out and consume no fuel
Ruin and Destruction: Instantly destroy one non-living object
Shield of Aqshy: selff fire resist buff
Taste of Fire: makes food higly spicy or drinks more alcoholic.
So yeah, many attack spells, but also some utility spells, some buffs and some defense.
Of course this spells run the gamut of fire wizards: flashcook can be done by everybody while only lord wizards can ever hope to cast Conflagration of Doom.
Some spells are useless in a MMorpg but this is only to show how inventive Game Workshop (Well.. Green Ronin here) can be with just fire spells. The presence of GW personnel on board make us sure they will take from this as inspiration for their bright wizard spells
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Do not worry.The developers and publishers these days have all become "used car salesmen".I mean they all lie through their teeth to get you to buy their product.Just take for example the so called "minimum required" to play their games.
When a tech. dev. tells me that his game was made so that I would only have to spend 150$ on a mediocre graphic card
and all will be good in about a year from now,I just shake my head.THAT WAS NOT IN THE SPECS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY HIS GAME!
WAR will probably be a mix between WOW and VANGAURD.Just hope you can play it with your machine and worry about the content once your in the game.
An Age Of Conan Fanbois moonlighting as just a everyday poster, and now your jaded point of view makes sense. Every review Ive read so far about Warhammer has been completely positive.
And as far as classes being simple...boring, do you have a skill set for all the classes in Warhammer? Does anyone? No,your opinion is based on next to nothing.
If I was to watch Claude Monet start painting, and after 3 or 4 brush strokes claim that this painting was awful and just wouldnt sell...Claude just might tell me that its not Finished. Well Warhammer isnt do out till sometime NEXT YEAR.
Not out till next year at the EARLIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AOC Devs have nothing on the Mythic/EA team. Not only has Mythic Produced DAOC, one of the best PVP based games to date imo, it is also going strong with the subs.
And for Anofalye, if your a pvp fan, your a pvp fan.
Dont bring up LORE and how this game wont feel ONE hundred percet WARHAMMER PERFECT.
You know why I will play this game, MYTHIC....PVP....MYTHIC. Need I say more?
And you know this because... you have a Crystal Ball right??
Give it a rest. None of you can predict how well or how badly a game will do.
We will have to wait and see.
If by chance it doesnt overtake WoW in the subs department, are you gonna cry?
If its fun, play it. Isnt that simple?
i just pray to the gods of gaming that WAR doesnt come close to the popularity of WOW. everything that is wrong with WOW (almost)stems from its huge playerbase.