Not to mention, "...after playing for a bit..." Instant credibility.
That is always a favorite of mine.....
Alright fellas, then riddle me this.... How long does one have to play to know the game isn't to their liking?
I can listen to a song and in less than ten seconds I know I don't like...
I can watch a TV show and in less then two minutes know I don't like...
I can start a book and in less than a chapter I know it won't hold my interest...
And I know the same holds true for most people.
So this crap about "give it time it will grow on ya" is just BS
Well quite often songs have lousy beginnings and then great choruses.
A great deal of books are quite boring for the first 50 pages or so but once the characters and plot are revealed are extremely interesting. Belgariad and Mallorean come to mind for me on that.
Same with T.V. shows, quite often shows change, start off totally boring then wind up fairly action packed.
So how long should you try a game to decide you don't like? Till you've tried all the options it has. If the gameplay changes dramatically from level 10 on then you should make it to level 10... Otherwise you have only judged a part of the game.
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Well maybe its not running on everyones compie great, but I just picked up Vanguard less than a week ago, I'm only level 8 but I'm having lots of fun. As far as bugs go, some monsters walk backwards and fellowships are disabled, I also got stuck in a wall once and had to use /unstick
The character customization is okay, its one of those customizations where you have like 50 sliders to adjust stuff like 'jaw depth' and you have no clue what you are doing or what looks good. So you just sorta move em around and hope your character isnt going to look like a freak. Theres some neat stuff like scarring for the face, not as many hairstyles as I would like, but thats probably because each race gets there own hairstyle and there are like 5 human races, ect...
The combat feels pretty mmorpg standard, although the way attacks disturb spellcasting is neat add, and theres plenty of classes and they all seem pretty neat. I'm a SWG refugee myself so no class system out now matches up to SWG's amazingly customizable profession system, but at least vanguard has a good selection.
Diplomacy is simply awesome, I'm such a low level its hard to say what role diplomacy will play when you reach higher levels (well I'm sure the websites say and such, to be honest I havent read much about vanguard I sorta bought it on impulse), but the games themselves are fun and challenging. Theres a lot of strategy involved, and the way you have to choose your 5 cards before each game reminds me of a miniature version of guild wars. I love the way most cards benefit your enemy as well as yourself so you really have to think about what you use and when you use it. It reminds me of how the original HAM system was supposed to work in SWG, where you have to sacrafice health, action, or mana in order to use special moves, but if any of the HAM bars go all the way down you are incapacitated... Well, with uber buffs thats not really how the HAM system ended up working, but I always liked the idea anyways.
So tonight I spent all night with crafting in VG. I usually really hate crafting... And I hated it in VG too. They tried to make it a sort of mini game, like diplomacy, except solitaire. Well, I hate solitaire the card game, and I hate crafting too. Instead of crafting items for the player market right away, you pretty much spend all your time doing crafting missions which you make no money off of at all, and are pretty tedious. On the other hand, the crafting system is so crazy and complex I guess its exactly what crafters would like, and I'm no crafter so...
Theres a lot of people on these forums who dont like vanguard... Just from what I've seen, it looks like the devs made a lot of promises they didnt keep at release... It also looks like theres a lot of glitches that are effecting specific hardware, else I'd be getting them too, and I believe that there are too, because I was playing with someone just today and they were having a hard time swimming upwards, and he ended up drowning twice... I've never had any probs swimming so I wouldnt be surprised if this game has compatibility issues with some systems. Plus some people dont like the character models, and I dont like them either really, I think they are pretty ugly, I almost didnt get the game because if it, but then I reminded myself how I always vote for 'story' or 'gameplay' over graphics and how hypocritical I would be to not try a game because I dont like the character models. My character looks all shiny and chubby, I suppose I'm getting used to it. I think another big problem is the game is hard to pick up on. The quests dont always show you exactly where to go and what to do, the new diplomacy and crafting systems are pretty complicated and hard to figure out even after reading all the tutorial windows, ect.
As far as community goes, its standard. Better than those mmos with 'bad communities' like GW and WoW, although I have to admit I never really had much trouble meeting people on either of those games. Nobodies been rude to me yet, unless you count all the people who just run by or ignore/dont notice me talking to them, but I always get that in mmorpgs so its okay. /shouts are always going off to ask for help, and people always help, but that doesnt mean much this early in the game... People dont start getting called newbies and such until at least a month or two into any mmorpg.
Sorry but I have to agree that at this point, people should stay away and watch the game for a while before making a choice to play or not. I cancelled my subscription today due to reasons I have posted elsewhere here and will continue to watch, but without some dramatic improvements I won't be coming back.
I love SOE and I loved EQ1 and EQ2, but I'm afraid the beta was enough to convince me not to venture into this game. Will I ever play it again? Only if it becomes part of the Station Pass. Believe it or not, I'm playing World of Warcraft, which is funny in itself since I usually hate the game. Whats that tell ya? Id rather play a game I know Ive hated before then play Vanguard. Doesn't mean others won't like it but in all honesty, it's just not a complete game and released before it was ready. Diplomacy is a nice touch and while I didn't get to fully utilize it, I find it to be nothing more then a fancy mini game, like the crafting. However, I will give the crafting aspect of the game 2 thumbs up cause they definately got that right. Who knows, if people are interested, I'm not going to tell them it's a PoS game, but just be aware some folks have warned you about the game being incomplete for the moment.
Beta is no indication of release performance, and it IS a part of Station Pass. You rate the game based on Beta, then you go on to bring that rating into release even though it sounds as if you didn't play release? Try again.
i ve read your posts with interest . i think the problem here in general is when is an mmporg fit for release and when does it become of merchandisable quality . ask yourself with all of vanguards problems (you only have to look at these forums to see that they are many) is this really the case ?? the fiercest defence most people can have with this is they are happy to pay while it develops into a good game or wait and see what its like when they fix this or fix that . true when they do this may be a fantastic game . but why should anyone pay to subscribe to a game thats literally and a mid stage of development . ok sell it in the shops . like archmage . but offer it as free to play at least untill things improve . first impressions count . the biggest problem is the graphics this runs slow on even a high spec pc , so i have a feeling this is more a problem at thier end rather than my machine . they need to fix that first , no point fixing the other things if the core issue that makes the game pretty unplayable remains unresolved . its just a mess at the moment . i think theres a lot of us that want to like this game and thats kind of blinding some of us to the reality of what we ve been presented with . in a way i feel sorry for the developers , i doubt any ot them wanted to put out the game as it is .this type of thing is bad for mmorpgs in general . most people i know always say try them before you buy them . i took a chance with this game but believe me with the likes of age of conan . lord of the rings online and warhammer i m going to wait for a free trial . i dont want to repeat this experiance . i m sure theres a lot of you feel the same way .
I just started thursday I think the game is good and its fun ,if u dont like it dont play it . Telling players to stay away is the wrong thing to do they shiuld get a budy pass and try it . Judge the game for your self and dont blast players that like or dont like it.
Unlike a lot of people I think its very important to hear the initial views of players. I have been burned so often by MMO's that I am very leary to dish out $49.99 for the game and then commit to $14.99 a month to play. Sometimes it money well spent, but as of late, it has been money wasted. Now when it comes to VG, I'm extremely leary because not only will I have to pay the money listed above, I will have to upgrade my system in order for the game to run properly.
I have been reading and reading and reading some more on the VG forums trying to make the decision whether or not to invest the money. And not only that, but SOE has a terrible track record. So what may have been a hard decision with Sigil has now become an extremely hard decision now that John Smedley is in the mix.
I want to hear all the initial thoughts on these games.
agonzo11, I wouldn't worry about it being run by SOE, because it really isn't. I wouldn't compare it to SWG or even EQ2, both of which have had combat revamps and such. I don't think smed has his paws on this, but we'll know in time if that's the case if they decide to make it go three times faster and have laserbeams.
Now, on to the game itself. I will admit that the first night I played it (last monday), I literally thought to myself "is this a joke?" and "what have i gotten myself into...". Part of that is because I needed to do more tweaking to get it to run well on my Barton 2600+ Radeon x1600pro 2gig mem computer. My processor is pretty old and holding me back, and I installed VG on my Vista partition to boot. I'm running pretty decent now (15fps or so) and find that I like the game more and more every time I log on. It's definitely unpolished in some areas, I won't argue that. For one, I wish the text it uses for names above mobs and the scrolling combat text was smaller. The starter area for the Kojin kind of sucks. Some of the others might be better but to be honest, I don't know.
If you're on the fence, I think your best bet would be to hold off for a month or so because by then a lot of the major kinks are going to be worked out. Despite what some may say, it's really not that terrible or even bad. It just needs more work and that's what it's been getting.
agonzo11, I wouldn't worry about it being run by SOE, because it really isn't. I wouldn't compare it to SWG or even EQ2, both of which have had combat revamps and such. I don't think smed has his paws on this, but we'll know in time if that's the case if they decide to make it go three times faster and have laserbeams.
Now, on to the game itself. I will admit that the first night I played it (last monday), I literally thought to myself "is this a joke?" and "what have i gotten myself into...". Part of that is because I needed to do more tweaking to get it to run well on my Barton 2600+ Radeon x1600pro 2gig mem computer. My processor is pretty old and holding me back, and I installed VG on my Vista partition to boot. I'm running pretty decent now (15fps or so) and find that I like the game more and more every time I log on. It's definitely unpolished in some areas, I won't argue that. For one, I wish the text it uses for names above mobs and the scrolling combat text was smaller. The starter area for the Kojin kind of sucks. Some of the others might be better but to be honest, I don't know.
If you're on the fence, I think your best bet would be to hold off for a month or so because by then a lot of the major kinks are going to be worked out. Despite what some may say, it's really not that terrible or even bad. It just needs more work and that's what it's been getting.
my latest problem ..... well i m still trying to play vanguard after all i ve paid for the first month my problem now is when scrolling through quests the wrighting now blurs making them unreadable . i ve tried a couple of other online games theres no problem with them at the moment and i ve just phoned a friend whos playing hes getting the same problem . how many tweaks do you have make before this game becomes playable lol
I do find it funny . The same guys who let Sony run EQ into the ground are now doing the same thing again. I am sorry, but Sony is running the show. I know they say otherwise because everything Sony touches is complete crap. The only thing Sony ever made that was good was the play station. Also, beta is release. If a person doesn't like the basic setup in beta they will not like the release. There only two mmorpg companies worth a damn on the entire globe Mythic and Blizzard.
Mythic and Blizzard make games for the people. The rest make games they want, and they let us play them. World of Warcraft made a complex questing system like EQ, and they added a complex pvp system like Dark Ages of Camelot. What happened than? The game freaken exploded. You polish up the coding, and you add a little humor here and there. It's a done deal. New players are the life blood of any mmorpg, and companies better wise up.
my latest problem ..... well i m still trying to play vanguard after all i ve paid for the first month my problem now is when scrolling through quests the wrighting now blurs making them unreadable . i ve tried a couple of other online games theres no problem with them at the moment and i ve just phoned a friend whos playing hes getting the same problem . how many tweaks do you have make before this game becomes playable lol
Never ever heard of that one.
Basically, i have NO IDEA of what you are talking about.
I am on the fence at the moment with this game. I took the fanboy's advice and tried it again after such a bad experience during the beta. I don't think the bugs or performance problems will ultimately make or break this game. Those will certainly be fixed. I am sure SOE is putting some programming muscle behind fixing those.
The only concern I have is how the game will accommodate the modern, normal Gamer. It will be very interesting to see how they handle not having instances and other more modern innovations. If Brad sticks to his guns and looks to the past for answers this game will fail. If he does not understand that the people do not want another EQ1, the game will fail. For the time EQ1 was a great game but that was a long time ago.
WoW may have gone to the extreme to make the MMORPG genre more modern but they did indeed improve on most of the negatives. It remains to be seen whether Vanguard will be innovative or not. On the surface it seems that they are back in the year 1999 but I am still not sure that is how they want the game to be played.
Still on the fence here. However, I will say that if I experience a bug so bad I lose unrecoverable experience or have to camp a particular MOB for a drop I am gone. That will mean that they made the decision to cater to the "bottle pissers" and not me who plays 2-3 hours/night. If he can keep the game fun for me I will stay, if not, I will wait for the next new thing.
This car really looks amazing, but to be honost the minute you sit in this car and if you have never experianced driving a car like this, it really does not feel good, it feels slipery in turns, can hardly see the front of the road, especialy when you see how our roads are build in the Netherlands, not many places i can take full advantage of that car, so please everyone come over the the lamborghini.com/forums and let us tell them they need to stop producing this car and no one should ever buy a lamborghini cause my experiance with that car are horrible. And damn look at the price of that thing, really people if you ever thought of driving a lamborghini forget about it, it is really not worth it !!
Now i never have experianced driving a lamborghini (i wished )nor is anything i said about the lamborghini fact, its all made up and i'm also not saying that Vanguard is like the lamborghini of games. Its just that do people really think because i say "don't ever buy a lamborghini", that they actualy will listen at someone with little to no experiance driving that car.
Vanguard stay clear don't buy, don't try, don't bother could be a very intresting topic if the OP made it clear that he had given it a fair shot, but seemed to me he's just another quiter. We have lots of those people in rl that decifde that quitting is better then actualy trying. I call that being very narrowminded.
I'm fully aware of some of Vanguard problems and its alright to discus them. But people like the OP are not giving a opinion, they are forcing their opinion upon you, not sharing their view, but forcing it, just read the OP's titel alone is showing that. If his titel was "Why I never will buy and stay clear of Vanguard", it would have made much more sence. His game experiance for the time he was in the game was bad, i wished he had my experiance cause i'm really enjoying the game running smooth, yes some bugs, nothing gamestopping for me (so far) Also those people complaining about English grammar on a international game site should seek sites that are for English only. My english isn't all that great but we all to do our best in trying to write it. Give your comment to something that is written, but don't be pathetic to judge someone's English on sites like these.
Wipe the game off my hardrive what a waste of my $50, its simply the worst online game out there right now. They pretty much copied everything from other games but they cant even get them to work right, then after a week they nerf the crap out of everybody because a few hardcore gamers are leveling too fast so everyone else gets punished. Personaly I can careless about leveling slow but when u run around for hours and cant find anyone to do quests together and cant solo most of the mobs out there its time to call it quit. The dev have no clue what direction they want to go with the game at all, all the pretty graphics are useless if u cant make the game work right.
Nothing personal, but define "high spec pc"... I have a midrange pc at present and quite honestly it doesn't perform even CLOSE to how it should but it's not as dismal as you're making out.
That being said, yah, the performance is crap for the graphics obtained... the game has some serious bugs... and solo play is... uhmm... less than fulfilling. I would say the game is largely complete but completely and totally unpolished in anyway shape or form. They should have spent another 3-6mo in beta. You are right in that we're in paid beta right now though.
Originally posted by Everith Yhe OP also must have been ripped off for his high spec pc... I mean my 3 year old pentium 4 runs this game on balanced with a steady 30fps... hrmmm People if you're thinking of buying the game DO NOT listen to the OP. NONE of his points are valid.
I call bullshit unless you've got a top end video card and 2g of ram... at which point you're misrepresenting your pc.
I have a computer less than 1.5 year old and don't get a *steady* 30fps even on highest performance. Trolling the opposite way of the original troll isn't the way to make a valid point.
I can say on highest performance I get 40-50fps... usually. With hitches that occasionally freeze the game (everyone is getting them), and dips to the teens in certain areas when things load. That isn't a steady any number.
Wipe the game off my hardrive what a waste of my $50, its simply the worst online game out there right now. They pretty much copied everything from other games but they cant even get them to work right, then after a week they nerf the crap out of everybody because a few hardcore gamers are leveling too fast so everyone else gets punished. Personaly I can careless about leveling slow but when u run around for hours and cant find anyone to do quests together and cant solo most of the mobs out there its time to call it quit. The dev have no clue what direction they want to go with the game at all, all the pretty graphics are useless if u cant make the game work right.
i know how you feel jor8888. i think those of us who are having problems with this game should really start making complaints . . let the fanboys drool over it if they want to . when i get a game i expect it to be a relativly problem free experiance in this day and age . my system meets all the recomended specs . this game has just felt like an uphill struggle from day one . essentially its not been an enjoyable eperiance . the arguement a lot of people are making that you cant tell early on in game that is a poor product is redundant if that game does nt run smoothly . there might be some good ideas at work in this game . i think there are , to be honest i think its got them in spades . but the root problem is when you load it and then have jerky graphics on a pc that should run it easily . you have to think theres something very wrong here . just look through these forums i m not the only one experiancing this ..... as i ve said already its a shame . hell i might give it another go in a years time to see if its improved (thats if theres a free trial) lol . but i m not going to hold my breath .lets just see how many people stay with it after the first couple of months . maybe the majority are having a possative experiance maybe not . well soon find out .
now i m not saying i should be able to run it at its highest detail but i should be able to run it relativly smoothly with some of the lower settings dont you agree ?
my system specs intel pentium duo 2.8 ghz / 2.79ghz cpu 2 gb ram nvidea gforce 7300 le now i m not saying i should be able to run it at its highest detail but i should be able to run it relativly smoothly with some of the lower settings dont you agree ?
Yes and i suggest not to waste your money on this broken game and wait for LOTR. It can be played at maxed settings at your computer. It's much more stable and bug free. I too canceled my subscription to Vanguard.
I do find it funny . The same guys who let Sony run EQ into the ground are now doing the same thing again. I am sorry, but Sony is running the show. I know they say otherwise because everything Sony touches is complete crap. The only thing Sony ever made that was good was the play station. Also, beta is release. If a person doesn't like the basic setup in beta they will not like the release. There only two mmorpg companies worth a damn on the entire globe Mythic and Blizzard.
Mythic and Blizzard make games for the people. The rest make games they want, and they let us play them. World of Warcraft made a complex questing system like EQ, and they added a complex pvp system like Dark Ages of Camelot. What happened than? The game freaken exploded. You polish up the coding, and you add a little humor here and there. It's a done deal. New players are the life blood of any mmorpg, and companies better wise up.
You hit the nail on the head, I'm afraid. Now get ready for the character assassinations that will soon come your way.
SOE needs to re-establish themselves as a leader in the gaming community. The only way to begin is to fire John Smedley and his cronies.
Vanguard was so highly anticipated before Brad went crawling back to Smed for money. When SOE opened their bank accounts to Sigil those hundreds of thousands of Sony haters fled for the hills.
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That is always a favorite of mine.....
Alright fellas, then riddle me this.... How long does one have to play to know the game isn't to their liking?
I can listen to a song and in less than ten seconds I know I don't like...
I can watch a TV show and in less then two minutes know I don't like...
I can start a book and in less than a chapter I know it won't hold my interest...
And I know the same holds true for most people.
So this crap about "give it time it will grow on ya" is just BS
Well quite often songs have lousy beginnings and then great choruses.
A great deal of books are quite boring for the first 50 pages or so but once the characters and plot are revealed are extremely interesting. Belgariad and Mallorean come to mind for me on that.
Same with T.V. shows, quite often shows change, start off totally boring then wind up fairly action packed.
So how long should you try a game to decide you don't like? Till you've tried all the options it has. If the gameplay changes dramatically from level 10 on then you should make it to level 10... Otherwise you have only judged a part of the game.
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The character customization is okay, its one of those customizations where you have like 50 sliders to adjust stuff like 'jaw depth' and you have no clue what you are doing or what looks good.
So you just sorta move em around and hope your character isnt going to look like a freak. Theres some neat stuff like scarring for the face, not as many hairstyles as I would like, but thats probably because each race gets there own hairstyle and there are like 5 human races, ect...
The combat feels pretty mmorpg standard, although the way attacks disturb spellcasting is neat add, and theres plenty of classes and they all seem pretty neat. I'm a SWG refugee myself so no class system out now matches up to SWG's amazingly customizable profession system, but at least vanguard has a good selection.
Diplomacy is simply awesome, I'm such a low level its hard to say what role diplomacy will play when you reach higher levels (well I'm sure the websites say and such, to be honest I havent read much about vanguard I sorta bought it on impulse), but the games themselves are fun and challenging. Theres a lot of strategy involved, and the way you have to choose your 5 cards before each game reminds me of a miniature version of guild wars. I love the way most cards benefit your enemy as well as yourself so you really have to think about what you use and when you use it. It reminds me of how the original HAM system was supposed to work in SWG, where you have to sacrafice health, action, or mana in order to use special moves, but if any of the HAM bars go all the way down you are incapacitated... Well, with uber buffs thats not really how the HAM system ended up working, but I always liked the idea anyways.
So tonight I spent all night with crafting in VG. I usually really hate crafting... And I hated it in VG too.
They tried to make it a sort of mini game, like diplomacy, except solitaire. Well, I hate solitaire the card game, and I hate crafting too. Instead of crafting items for the player market right away, you pretty much spend all your time doing crafting missions which you make no money off of at all, and are pretty tedious. On the other hand, the crafting system is so crazy and complex I guess its exactly what crafters would like, and I'm no crafter so...
Theres a lot of people on these forums who dont like vanguard... Just from what I've seen, it looks like the devs made a lot of promises they didnt keep at release... It also looks like theres a lot of glitches that are effecting specific hardware, else I'd be getting them too, and I believe that there are too, because I was playing with someone just today and they were having a hard time swimming upwards, and he ended up drowning twice... I've never had any probs swimming so I wouldnt be surprised if this game has compatibility issues with some systems. Plus some people dont like the character models, and I dont like them either really, I think they are pretty ugly, I almost didnt get the game because if it, but then I reminded myself how I always vote for 'story' or 'gameplay' over graphics and how hypocritical I would be to not try a game because I dont like the character models. My character looks all shiny and chubby,
I suppose I'm getting used to it. I think another big problem is the game is hard to pick up on. The quests dont always show you exactly where to go and what to do, the new diplomacy and crafting systems are pretty complicated and hard to figure out even after reading all the tutorial windows, ect.
As far as community goes, its standard. Better than those mmos with 'bad communities' like GW and WoW, although I have to admit I never really had much trouble meeting people on either of those games. Nobodies been rude to me yet, unless you count all the people who just run by or ignore/dont notice me talking to them, but I always get that in mmorpgs so its okay. /shouts are always going off to ask for help, and people always help, but that doesnt mean much this early in the game... People dont start getting called newbies and such until at least a month or two into any mmorpg.
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i ve read your posts with interest . i think the problem here in general is when is an mmporg fit for release and when does it become of merchandisable quality . ask yourself with all of vanguards problems (you only have to look at these forums to see that they are many) is this really the case ?? the fiercest defence most people can have with this is they are happy to pay while it develops into a good game or wait and see what its like when they fix this or fix that . true when they do this may be a fantastic game . but why should anyone pay to subscribe to a game thats literally and a mid stage of development . ok sell it in the shops . like archmage . but offer it as free to play at least untill things improve . first impressions count . the biggest problem is the graphics this runs slow on even a high spec pc , so i have a feeling this is more a problem at thier end rather than my machine . they need to fix that first , no point fixing the other things if the core issue that makes the game pretty unplayable remains unresolved . its just a mess at the moment . i think theres a lot of us that want to like this game and thats kind of blinding some of us to the reality of what we ve been presented with . in a way i feel sorry for the developers , i doubt any ot them wanted to put out the game as it is .this type of thing is bad for mmorpgs in general . most people i know always say try them before you buy them . i took a chance with this game but believe me with the likes of age of conan . lord of the rings online and warhammer i m going to wait for a free trial . i dont want to repeat this experiance . i m sure theres a lot of you feel the same way .
Unlike a lot of people I think its very important to hear the initial views of players. I have been burned so often by MMO's that I am very leary to dish out $49.99 for the game and then commit to $14.99 a month to play. Sometimes it money well spent, but as of late, it has been money wasted. Now when it comes to VG, I'm extremely leary because not only will I have to pay the money listed above, I will have to upgrade my system in order for the game to run properly.
I have been reading and reading and reading some more on the VG forums trying to make the decision whether or not to invest the money. And not only that, but SOE has a terrible track record. So what may have been a hard decision with Sigil has now become an extremely hard decision now that John Smedley is in the mix.
I want to hear all the initial thoughts on these games.
Now, on to the game itself. I will admit that the first night I played it (last monday), I literally thought to myself "is this a joke?" and "what have i gotten myself into...". Part of that is because I needed to do more tweaking to get it to run well on my Barton 2600+ Radeon x1600pro 2gig mem computer. My processor is pretty old and holding me back, and I installed VG on my Vista partition to boot. I'm running pretty decent now (15fps or so) and find that I like the game more and more every time I log on. It's definitely unpolished in some areas, I won't argue that. For one, I wish the text it uses for names above mobs and the scrolling combat text was smaller. The starter area for the Kojin kind of sucks. Some of the others might be better but to be honest, I don't know.
If you're on the fence, I think your best bet would be to hold off for a month or so because by then a lot of the major kinks are going to be worked out. Despite what some may say, it's really not that terrible or even bad. It just needs more work and that's what it's been getting.
Mythic and Blizzard make games for the people. The rest make games they want, and they let us play them. World of Warcraft made a complex questing system like EQ, and they added a complex pvp system like Dark Ages of Camelot. What happened than? The game freaken exploded. You polish up the coding, and you add a little humor here and there. It's a done deal. New players are the life blood of any mmorpg, and companies better wise up.
Basically, i have NO IDEA of what you are talking about.
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I am on the fence at the moment with this game. I took the fanboy's advice and tried it again after such a bad experience during the beta. I don't think the bugs or performance problems will ultimately make or break this game. Those will certainly be fixed. I am sure SOE is putting some programming muscle behind fixing those.
The only concern I have is how the game will accommodate the modern, normal Gamer. It will be very interesting to see how they handle not having instances and other more modern innovations. If Brad sticks to his guns and looks to the past for answers this game will fail. If he does not understand that the people do not want another EQ1, the game will fail. For the time EQ1 was a great game but that was a long time ago.
WoW may have gone to the extreme to make the MMORPG genre more modern but they did indeed improve on most of the negatives. It remains to be seen whether Vanguard will be innovative or not. On the surface it seems that they are back in the year 1999 but I am still not sure that is how they want the game to be played.
Still on the fence here. However, I will say that if I experience a bug so bad I lose unrecoverable experience or have to camp a particular MOB for a drop I am gone. That will mean that they made the decision to cater to the "bottle pissers" and not me who plays 2-3 hours/night. If he can keep the game fun for me I will stay, if not, I will wait for the next new thing.
Dont ever buy a lamborghini !!!
This car really looks amazing, but to be honost the minute you sit in this car and if you have never experianced driving a car like this, it really does not feel good, it feels slipery in turns, can hardly see the front of the road, especialy when you see how our roads are build in the Netherlands, not many places i can take full advantage of that car, so please everyone come over the the lamborghini.com/forums and let us tell them they need to stop producing this car and no one should ever buy a lamborghini cause my experiance with that car are horrible. And damn look at the price of that thing, really people if you ever thought of driving a lamborghini forget about it, it is really not worth it !!
Now i never have experianced driving a lamborghini (i wished
)nor is anything i said about the lamborghini fact, its all made up and i'm also not saying that Vanguard is like the lamborghini of games. Its just that do people really think because i say "don't ever buy a lamborghini", that they actualy will listen at someone with little to no experiance driving that car.
Vanguard stay clear don't buy, don't try, don't bother could be a very intresting topic if the OP made it clear that he had given it a fair shot, but seemed to me he's just another quiter. We have lots of those people in rl that decifde that quitting is better then actualy trying. I call that being very narrowminded.
I'm fully aware of some of Vanguard problems and its alright to discus them. But people like the OP are not giving a opinion, they are forcing their opinion upon you, not sharing their view, but forcing it, just read the OP's titel alone is showing that. If his titel was "Why I never will buy and stay clear of Vanguard", it would have made much more sence. His game experiance for the time he was in the game was bad, i wished he had my experiance cause i'm really enjoying the game running smooth, yes some bugs, nothing gamestopping for me (so far) Also those people complaining about English grammar on a international game site should seek sites that are for English only. My english isn't all that great but we all to do our best in trying to write it. Give your comment to something that is written, but don't be pathetic to judge someone's English on sites like these.
Wipe the game off my hardrive what a waste of my $50, its simply the worst online game out there right now. They pretty much copied everything from other games but they cant even get them to work right, then after a week they nerf the crap out of everybody because a few hardcore gamers are leveling too fast so everyone else gets punished. Personaly I can careless about leveling slow but when u run around for hours and cant find anyone to do quests together and cant solo most of the mobs out there its time to call it quit. The dev have no clue what direction they want to go with the game at all, all the pretty graphics are useless if u cant make the game work right.
Nothing personal, but define "high spec pc"... I have a midrange pc at present and quite honestly it doesn't perform even CLOSE to how it should but it's not as dismal as you're making out.
That being said, yah, the performance is crap for the graphics obtained... the game has some serious bugs... and solo play is... uhmm... less than fulfilling. I would say the game is largely complete but completely and totally unpolished in anyway shape or form. They should have spent another 3-6mo in beta. You are right in that we're in paid beta right now though.
Shadus
I call bullshit unless you've got a top end video card and 2g of ram... at which point you're misrepresenting your pc.
I have a computer less than 1.5 year old and don't get a *steady* 30fps even on highest performance. Trolling the opposite way of the original troll isn't the way to make a valid point.
I can say on highest performance I get 40-50fps... usually. With hitches that occasionally freeze the game (everyone is getting them), and dips to the teens in certain areas when things load. That isn't a steady any number.
Shadus
You are almost ready to rate VG 1!
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i know how you feel jor8888. i think those of us who are having problems with this game should really start making complaints . . let the fanboys drool over it if they want to . when i get a game i expect it to be a relativly problem free experiance in this day and age . my system meets all the recomended specs . this game has just felt like an uphill struggle from day one . essentially its not been an enjoyable eperiance . the arguement a lot of people are making that you cant tell early on in game that is a poor product is redundant if that game does nt run smoothly . there might be some good ideas at work in this game . i think there are , to be honest i think its got them in spades . but the root problem is when you load it and then have jerky graphics on a pc that should run it easily . you have to think theres something very wrong here . just look through these forums i m not the only one experiancing this ..... as i ve said already its a shame . hell i might give it another go in a years time to see if its improved (thats if theres a free trial) lol . but i m not going to hold my breath .lets just see how many people stay with it after the first couple of months . maybe the majority are having a possative experiance maybe not . well soon find out .
my system specs
intel pentium duo 2.8 ghz / 2.79ghz cpu
2 gb ram
nvidea gforce 7300 le
now i m not saying i should be able to run it at its highest detail but i should be able to run it relativly smoothly with some of the lower settings dont you agree ?
You hit the nail on the head, I'm afraid. Now get ready for the character assassinations that will soon come your way.
SOE needs to re-establish themselves as a leader in the gaming community. The only way to begin is to fire John Smedley and his cronies.
Vanguard was so highly anticipated before Brad went crawling back to Smed for money. When SOE opened their bank accounts to Sigil those hundreds of thousands of Sony haters fled for the hills.