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Have you ever bought gold or items?
rob1101
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This goes for all games not just wow. as for me i have never bought gold or in game items, or anything else of the sort. i believe that it ruins the game
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The only problem with that equation is EQ2 is not a very fun game so I'd rather go to work than play that game.
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yeh he did but he was grinding and selling accounts
yeh i have bought currency on WoW for big things like my epic mount etc purely because i don't have the time to do it otherwise. this is an easy and viable option for me.
I used to sell Influence in City of Heroes on my free time (I did not consider it a job, nor could it pay for more than a couple movies a month), but only because there is no economy.
I wouldn't dare get into Online Currency selling in a game that might show negative effects.
I didn't make more than $100, though. It was more of a "I am done with this game, lets make use of half of this money". The other half was donated to Atlas Park inhabitants.
This post may be asking for a sincere response but i can asure you that most will lie about it. Whats worse is that those who buy currency etc will lash out at those who openly admit to it or say theyve never done it, hypocrisy is a norm when this question is raised.
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No.
But I thought about selling stuff. I decided selling stuff was way more trouble than it was worth.
Oh, dear... where to begin...
1. It's a violation of the rules, for several MMORPGs. Companies like Square-Enix and Blizzard are very clear about this in their game terms, which you are accepting when you play. Which again makes it illegal. Companies like e-bay has accepted that game companies own all the rights, and has therefore forbidden selling gold, items/equips and game accounts.
2. Even if it "doesn't exist" as you say, it's a digital property, legally owned by the companies. That could be said about EVERY computer game/program in existance, since only the CD, DVD or whatever it's stored on, is the physical item.
3. It's cheating. Do you think it's fair that you are able to beat others in PvP because you have the most expensive equips? Honest players use hours/days/weeks to get what they want or need, and you will still beat them with equips it took you seconds to buy. So it DOES hurt, or at least affect, others. And you support an industry most players hate to be bothered with in-game.
4. If you (and those other you talk about, which you know) don't have the time to play the games, it doesn't mean you're allowed to break laws + cheating.
5. If everyone bought in-game money, there wouldn't be any others than the RMTs (money sellers) farming. I'm saying farming, not EXPing. So buying gold does NOT increase activity. It increase lazyness.
I have NEVER bought in-game money, items, etc, and I never will! Buying such is for losers, who can't make anything out of a game without cheating.
Oh, dear... where to begin...
1. It's a violation of the rules, for several MMORPGs. Companies like Square-Enix and Blizzard are very clear about this in their game terms, which you are accepting when you play. Which again makes it illegal. Companies like e-bay has accepted that game companies own all the rights, and has therefore forbidden selling gold, items/equips and game accounts.
2. Even if it "doesn't exist" as you say, it's a digital property, legally owned by the companies. That could be said about EVERY computer game/program in existance, since only the CD, DVD or whatever it's stored on, is the physical item.
3. It's cheating. Do you think it's fair that you are able to beat others in PvP because you have the most expensive equips? Honest players use hours/days/weeks to get what they want or need, and you will still beat them with equips it took you seconds to buy. So it DOES hurt, or at least affect, others. And you support an industry most players hate to be bothered with in-game.
4. If you (and those other you talk about, which you know) don't have the time to play the games, it doesn't mean you're allowed to break laws + cheating.
5. If everyone bought in-game money, there wouldn't be any others than the RMTs (money sellers) farming. I'm saying farming, not EXPing. So buying gold does NOT increase activity. It increase lazyness.
I have NEVER bought in-game money, items, etc, and I never will! Buying such is for losers, who can't make anything out of a game without cheating.
couldnt agree with you more
Just being "against the rules" of a game doesn't make it punishible by united states law. standing on top of buildings and shooting at NPCs on the ground is against the rules in World of Warcraft, but that doesn't mean the police can come to your house and arrest you for it. Unless i'm mistaken, selling gold CANNOT be punishible outside of Blizzard's sphere (e.g. they can ban you from the game, take all your phat lootz, or whatever).
I don't buy gold. But i do sell it. Why? Because i'm a kid. I'm in high school. I don't have a job. I have time to play computer games. Some people don't. Some people have real jobs and are productive members of society. We NEED them to do other things, like grow crops, defend people in court, run big companies. So because they don't have the time of a teenager to play games, they shouldn't have a fair shot?
The way I look at it, is you have the people who can play the game through and through, and others who just want to experience the parts they enjoy without laboring through others that they don't. If everyone decided to quit their jobs to stay home and play WoW all day, our country would FALL APART. Look at Japan and China and Korea with their LAWS regarding how many hours you can play video games. We don't need that.
So what's the big deal if someone wants to turn some real-life productivity into in-game productivity? Personally, i've never had trouble identifying people who buy their stuff, because they suck regardless of their purchased phat loot.
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Oh, dear... where to begin...
1. It's a violation of the rules, for several MMORPGs. Companies like Square-Enix and Blizzard are very clear about this in their game terms, which you are accepting when you play. Which again makes it illegal. Companies like e-bay has accepted that game companies own all the rights, and has therefore forbidden selling gold, items/equips and game accounts.
2. Even if it "doesn't exist" as you say, it's a digital property, legally owned by the companies. That could be said about EVERY computer game/program in existance, since only the CD, DVD or whatever it's stored on, is the physical item.
3. It's cheating. Do you think it's fair that you are able to beat others in PvP because you have the most expensive equips? Honest players use hours/days/weeks to get what they want or need, and you will still beat them with equips it took you seconds to buy. So it DOES hurt, or at least affect, others. And you support an industry most players hate to be bothered with in-game.
4. If you (and those other you talk about, which you know) don't have the time to play the games, it doesn't mean you're allowed to break laws + cheating.
5. If everyone bought in-game money, there wouldn't be any others than the RMTs (money sellers) farming. I'm saying farming, not EXPing. So buying gold does NOT increase activity. It increase lazyness.
I have NEVER bought in-game money, items, etc, and I never will! Buying such is for losers, who can't make anything out of a game without cheating.
i like how you numbered your rant so i can easily reply.
1 thats not a fact in the games i play. also in WoW a GM told me there is nothing they can do about it , i havent been banned yet and i dont really care
2 what im saying is how can people get so butt hurt over something that doesnt exist, i mean who cares?
3 i dont understand how you call it cheating. when anyone can do it, and if me buying some plat effected you you must have some issues. heh also the money i used to buy it with was obtained by me having a job that takes more work than just sitting around playing a game.
4 again its not breaking the law or illegal call the cops to my house and have me arrested
5 what you dont understand is supply and demand no group would ever be the whole population of them game or else there would be no profit to it. also it owuld increase activity regardless and i odnt understand what you mean by lazyness when i work for the money i use.
i really dont care if you have never bought any online supplies thats your choice and i doubt many people care. so while your wasting your time eating your mcdonalds trying to earn money i can just click about 4 times and expect it within a day max while i can focus on doing something else like hanging out with friends.
No
Companies have a right to determine how you use a product that is by definition on rent to you (to a point). This does not mean cops are going to arrest you for violating the rules. This does mean that you deliberately broke a contract that you agreed to. Unlike some, and apparently unlike you as well, I consider my word to be binding, whether or not there is a serious punishment backing it up, and many others have a similar viewpoint as well. Hmm, maybe if they repealed the law against it, and I borrowed your computer with your permission and then turned around and sold it to someone else, would you get the point then?
Let me put it to you this way, companies like Blizzard can very easily obtain protection under the law of the United States government and others, under which circumstance you WOULD potentially be arrested. All they have to do is get a court to rule that electronic items have an inherent value, it would not be hard at all to do, since the things already have value on the open market. Do you know whats keeping them from doing so? Taxes.
Anything and everything with an inherent value on the market has the potential to be taxed by the government, and they would have every right to do so. Because of the massive amounts of gold and item sales already in place, the IRS and other revenue bodies around the world are already considering taxing ingame property. A multibillion dollar industry is too much for them to pass up. So, enjoy your gold selling business while you can, when grownups like me have to submit our online assets for tax consideration, whether or not we invested or earned any real cash in that fashion, you will only have yourself and other salesmen like you to blame.
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Oh, dear... where to begin...
1. It's a violation of the rules, for several MMORPGs. Companies like Square-Enix and Blizzard are very clear about this in their game terms, which you are accepting when you play. Which again makes it illegal. Companies like e-bay has accepted that game companies own all the rights, and has therefore forbidden selling gold, items/equips and game accounts.
2. Even if it "doesn't exist" as you say, it's a digital property, legally owned by the companies. That could be said about EVERY computer game/program in existance, since only the CD, DVD or whatever it's stored on, is the physical item.
3. It's cheating. Do you think it's fair that you are able to beat others in PvP because you have the most expensive equips? Honest players use hours/days/weeks to get what they want or need, and you will still beat them with equips it took you seconds to buy. So it DOES hurt, or at least affect, others. And you support an industry most players hate to be bothered with in-game.
4. If you (and those other you talk about, which you know) don't have the time to play the games, it doesn't mean you're allowed to break laws + cheating.
5. If everyone bought in-game money, there wouldn't be any others than the RMTs (money sellers) farming. I'm saying farming, not EXPing. So buying gold does NOT increase activity. It increase lazyness.
I have NEVER bought in-game money, items, etc, and I never will! Buying such is for losers, who can't make anything out of a game without cheating.
couldnt agree with you more
Same goes for me.
And bobbler... I met a lot of people in my life but you count towards the most ignorant and uneducated ones of all failing even the simplest of ethical concepts. Don't bother flaming me or asking for any explanation. There is no base to even start off. For f*** sake even those lines are wasted.
i hate to break it to you but your calling me undereducated when you contradicted your statement by saying ingnorant and undereducated therefore affirming yourself being not educated enough to comprehend your own thoughts thereby making your statement drivel.
sorry my reply took so long was buying some isk.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Rest of the post is not interesting for my response, so I deleted it.
From Blizzard's EULA, I underlined some interesting facts:
3. Ownership.
A. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this License Agreement.
Last section of the EULA:
I hereby acknowledge that I have read and understand the foregoing License Agreement and agree that by clicking Accept or installing the Game Client I am acknowledging my agreement to be bound by the terms and conditions of this License Agreement.
It not just "against the rules" - you ARE breaking copyright laws, you have accepted the terms, and therefore you are bound by them. You cannot sell what others own, and you know it! You will probably never see any cops investigating your case, but someday you might be arrested for it, and if you increase your "business" to a large scale, Blizzard will probably be aware of you and take proper actions.
If you browse FBI's site (http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/cyberhome.htm) you will find plenty of stories they have posted about cases involving copyrighted goods. And, you will see the penalties are up to 5 years in a federal prison, and $250,000 fine. Not including the amount Blizzard could sue you for.
Source for Blizzard's EULA: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html btw, it's on the US site.
dont bash my sentence structure when you cant even properly make a sentece. you have multiple errors. And i dont like trolls. If someones gonna shoot off at me without proper facts they can expect something back. such as his statement which is a perfect example.
so netspook if you care so much and think something is going to happen then get the FBI on me. lol like they will care i doubt you have the resources, also blizzard or anyother company wont waste their time with it.
http://news.com.com/2061-10797_3-6126701.html
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8771
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222402,00.html
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/gaming/55120.html
My favorite quote: "Right now we're at the preliminary stages of looking at the issue and what kind of public policy questions virtual economies raise -- taxes, barter exchanges, property and wealth," Dan Miller, senior economist for the Joint Economic Committee
Still laughing about it?
Oh, and by the way, Blizzard and other companies have already spent a hell of a lot of time, cash, and effort trying to stop gold sales, don't think for even a second they will back down if they ever make headway.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway