Originally posted by Jackdog I don't think anyone here will ever accuse me of being a Vanguard fan boy, and after reading those posts in the FOH and checking out the TTH forums I can't see any conspiracies here. In fact that dude over at FOH really needs to go for a walk and get some fresh air in my opinion.
Sorry, boss, but for making a post semi-defending VG, you are now and forever, A Vanboi. Here's your merit badge, kool aid is on the table in the back.
brad and david bowman should get together and make a MMO..would be the BEST GAME EVER im sure. brad clearly stated that he/sigil were going to use "viral means" to combat the negative press VG has been getting. You know that sisgil has shills on just about ever mmo forum site. heck most mmo's do. WoW being one of the biggest users of this method of community nudging/control. No big supprise to me from any of this.
Shill
1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
You mean David Bowman wasn't involved in Vanguard? Could have fooled me *
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned. http://vnboards.ign.com/vanguard_saga_of_heroes_general_board/b22523/102054715/p1/?143 As it has been said before, the drama surrounding Vanguard is better than a soap opera.
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned. http://vnboards.ign.com/vanguard_saga_of_heroes_general_board/b22523/102054715/p1/?143 As it has been said before, the drama surrounding Vanguard is better than a soap opera.
LMAO. Absolutely. It is interesting that yet another forum both in spirit and policy is censuring Vanguard criticism. Further, there is no question that "viral tactics" are being used by SIGIL with limited effect because the game is really that bad.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
I've gotten it from in-house that SOE has been very unhappy over the negative publicity of VG, and feel it is effecting their subscriber numbers. I don't know for a fact but having worked at SOE and knowing how they do things, I am quite sure Brad has been threatened to clean it up or else.
I know for a fact Sigil would have no legal grounds to stand on, but I also know Brad personally and know how he thinks and acts and I can pretty well assure you he is threating certain websites/forums with legal action for negativity to his game.
I am also willing to bet some websites would rather simply police their members rather than pay for legal advice in the matter.
I would just like to say this whole incident surrounding Sigil is being investigated by State of California Ombudsman due to complaints filed for illicit business practices, false advertising, and personal threats of bodily harm made by certain company officers.
If this is not serious enough, a certain California newspaper is working up a very damaging expose into Sigil, its business practices, and use of Viral Marketing.
Anyway Brad is not only heading himself out of business due to his mouth, temper, and lack of control, but if he keeps going he may very well be heading himself to jail.
I guess this dosen't apply to the Message boards fo the US ?
Nope...message boards are private property. You have the freedom to say what you want, but the company has the freedom to ban you. Or fire you. Or throw you out of their building. Whatever may apply.
Yeah, I've posted some things I probably shouldn't have, and there's lots of posts I've had written out that I thought better of, and deleted. And sometimes, I'm just feeling snarky. As I see it, there's a difference between getting annoyed here and there, and letting it get to you, and making a career out of just posting useless nonsense meant only to start a fight.
thats the truth heh, I could say the same things, but I'd have to add 'or I posted while to drunk to be rational' lol.
As to the point of this thread, I think people are being overly critical of these other sites. Recently, someone posted here about why there were no threads here on MMORPG that are actually game focused on VG- help with quests etc. Someone in the thread basically replied, this isn't a community building site, this is a place where people from all the different games come to post their thoughts.
I had a bad reaction to that post at first, but really it's the truth and it works both ways. This is the kind of site where you can really say whatever you want, even if its total trash talk against a game you don't/haven't played. Sites like silkyvenom etc, while they need to represent the game community as a whole, including negative opinions about game features, bugs, and general problems etc that the community has, doesn't owe anyone the right to endlessly bash the hell out of their feautured game.
The part I found most amusing (and ironic) in this thread was the OP's quote that had a supposed Microsoft employee trashing someone else for missing a deadline...
I've gotten it from in-house that SOE has been very unhappy over the negative publicity of VG, and feel it is effecting their subscriber numbers. I don't know for a fact but having worked at SOE and knowing how they do things, I am quite sure Brad has been threatened to clean it up or else. I know for a fact Sigil would have no legal grounds to stand on, but I also know Brad personally and know how he thinks and acts and I can pretty well assure you he is threating certain websites/forums with legal action for negativity to his game. I am also willing to bet some websites would rather simply police their members rather than pay for legal advice in the matter. I would just like to say this whole incident surrounding Sigil is being investigated by State of California Ombudsman due to complaints filed for illicit business practices, false advertising, and personal threats of bodily harm made by certain company officers. If this is not serious enough, a certain California newspaper is working up a very damaging expose into Sigil, its business practices, and use of Viral Marketing. Anyway Brad is not only heading himself out of business due to his mouth, temper, and lack of control, but if he keeps going he may very well be heading himself to jail.
/grabs the popcorn out of Jackdog's hand
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I've gotten it from in-house that SOE has been very unhappy over the negative publicity of VG, and feel it is effecting their subscriber numbers. I don't know for a fact but having worked at SOE and knowing how they do things, I am quite sure Brad has been threatened to clean it up or else. I know for a fact Sigil would have no legal grounds to stand on, but I also know Brad personally and know how he thinks and acts and I can pretty well assure you he is threating certain websites/forums with legal action for negativity to his game. I am also willing to bet some websites would rather simply police their members rather than pay for legal advice in the matter. I would just like to say this whole incident surrounding Sigil is being investigated by State of California Ombudsman due to complaints filed for illicit business practices, false advertising, and personal threats of bodily harm made by certain company officers. If this is not serious enough, a certain California newspaper is working up a very damaging expose into Sigil, its business practices, and use of Viral Marketing. Anyway Brad is not only heading himself out of business due to his mouth, temper, and lack of control, but if he keeps going he may very well be heading himself to jail.
/grabs the popcorn out of Jackdog's hand
This has gotten extremely interesting. If what is said is true please keep us posted on these events.
I've gotten it from in-house that SOE has been very unhappy over the negative publicity of VG, and feel it is effecting their subscriber numbers. I don't know for a fact but having worked at SOE and knowing how they do things, I am quite sure Brad has been threatened to clean it up or else. I know for a fact Sigil would have no legal grounds to stand on, but I also know Brad personally and know how he thinks and acts and I can pretty well assure you he is threating certain websites/forums with legal action for negativity to his game. I am also willing to bet some websites would rather simply police their members rather than pay for legal advice in the matter. I would just like to say this whole incident surrounding Sigil is being investigated by State of California Ombudsman due to complaints filed for illicit business practices, false advertising, and personal threats of bodily harm made by certain company officers. If this is not serious enough, a certain California newspaper is working up a very damaging expose into Sigil, its business practices, and use of Viral Marketing. Anyway Brad is not only heading himself out of business due to his mouth, temper, and lack of control, but if he keeps going he may very well be heading himself to jail.
/grabs the popcorn out of Jackdog's hand
This has gotten extremely interesting. If what is said is true please keep us posted on these events.
oh yes, please do. Did I accidently go to the SWG vet forums? thats the only place posts that start with 'I got it from so-and-so very reliable source' posts are treated with any respect at all, and even there it's not much. Seriously, people need to search the forums for the word Brad. The more times you see it, the more angery unreliable bullshit from people that have nothing to say about the game that hasn't been said a thousand times you will see. Seriously, express your opinion, but once you have, and have nothing further to add to the forum, move the fuck along.
Holy shit! Someone that admits to a mistake on the MMORPG.com Vanguard forum. A monumental occasion for both sides of the war, folks. Just messing with you, btw. Kudos for at least admitting to the goof. My point still stands though, the only mention of bans/deletions I see in the official forum rules are for people that are obviously trolling, posting personal attacks, etc. At least as far as VN, and TTH. Haven't gotten around to SV's forum guidelines, but from the time I spent there in the past, unless there was some great upheaval in the mods there, they didn't delete constructive criticism, just mindless bash posts. Personally, I'm all for that. Starting a thread that just says VG sux, with no reasoning behind why you felt that it was bad is a waste of bandwidth for the forum, and just ends up being a complete flamefest. FOHguild.org is a different story, as they're not an affiliate, they're just a private guild board where many devs, including McQuaid happen to post due to their long relationship from back in the EQ days. I will say that things have really gone in the crapper there, though, since Furor stepped down when he got the job at Blizzard.
With all due respect, "constructive criticism" has been one of the most shady, shitty, hypocritical terms I have ever seen, especially on the forums. In fact, if the "constructive criticism" bs has started to frequent your friendly forum, run away from there as fast as you can. I have been in many boards so far and "constructive criticism" has always turned out to mean, "You will get the banning stick on your ass if you post anything negative. We don't want any negative PR."
I am not discussing the necessity of moderation or defending abusive flaming. But I have seen enough to give me shivers whenever that term starts showing up.
As for the OP, Utnayan in FOH was probably one of the few who always told the truth boldy (at least) about Vanguard even in early beta. His language would be too hard for some, but if it is the package the truth comes in, it is still welcome.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
*Waits for Brad to throw MMORPG.com some money and then have them agree to no negative Vanguard post policy which results in the amount of active posters here cut in half*
they wont do that. Trust me when I say that. Admin has had game companies threaten to sue if his members continued to bash them. Craig pretty much deletes their email and ignores them.
In a time where forums are more prevalent than the MMORPGs themselves, failure to deliver a decent game will be shown on those forums and no amount of money, threats, or bans will ever stop them.
The only thing that will stop negative attacks on a game in forums is to deliver a stable game. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. When every single forum online that has anything to do with Vanguard (including Brad's own guild website forum) is pretty much full of Vanguard bashing, then that should really tell you something. Its not a coincedence
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
My bad. Wrong board. I don't frequent those boards. My buddy IM'ed it to me.
Holy shit! Someone that admits to a mistake on the MMORPG.com Vanguard forum. A monumental occasion for both sides of the war, folks.
Just messing with you, btw. Kudos for at least admitting to the goof.
My point still stands though, the only mention of bans/deletions I see in the official forum rules are for people that are obviously trolling, posting personal attacks, etc. At least as far as VN, and TTH. Haven't gotten around to SV's forum guidelines, but from the time I spent there in the past, unless there was some great upheaval in the mods there, they didn't delete constructive criticism, just mindless bash posts. Personally, I'm all for that. Starting a thread that just says VG sux, with no reasoning behind why you felt that it was bad is a waste of bandwidth for the forum, and just ends up being a complete flamefest.
FOHguild.org is a different story, as they're not an affiliate, they're just a private guild board where many devs, including McQuaid happen to post due to their long relationship from back in the EQ days. I will say that things have really gone in the crapper there, though, since Furor stepped down when he got the job at Blizzard.
Now you bring up some definite good points. However, what precisely constitutes trolling changes from one person to the next, let alone from one moderator to the next. I understand the desire for "constructive" criticism but there is a flaw with that. You see, we are not Brad McQuaids' english lit professor, we aren't the creative writing instructors for the folks that work at Sigil, SOE, or any other company. We are the consumers and the clients. It is neither our job, nor our responsibility to do their work for them. If the proverbial well has run dry in the creative department then wouldn't they better be served by firing all the dead weight and hiring people with talent and ideas? It seems that not only do they (sigil, soe, and numerous other development houses) want us, the consumers, to pay them for a p.o.s. product, but they want us to give them the ideas and pay them to bring our ideas to fruition. That is just ass backwards.
Now, about the waste of bandwidth etc... is not the OMG Brad I love you I wanna suxxorz your *&#@ posts just as big a waste of bandwidth? Arent the posts that say Vanguard is the Pwn without rationalization etc just as big a waste of not only bandwidth but storage space? By trying to systematically hide anything negative does this not paint a dishonest and completely misleading picture of the current situation? It seems to me that Brad McQuaid and his cronies feel that people are so ignorant that they can not discern for themselves what truthes lie within those bash posts. That those individuals could care less about actually delivering an enjoyable play experience as long as they get people to buy boxes.
Originally posted by severius Now, about the waste of bandwidth etc... is not the OMG Brad I love you I wanna suxxorz your *&#@ posts just as big a waste of bandwidth? Arent the posts that say Vanguard is the Pwn without rationalization etc just as big a waste of not only bandwidth but storage space? By trying to systematically hide anything negative does this not paint a dishonest and completely misleading picture of the current situation? It seems to me that Brad McQuaid and his cronies feel that people are so ignorant that they can not discern for themselves what truthes lie within those bash posts. That those individuals could care less about actually delivering an enjoyable play experience as long as they get people to buy boxes.
Yeah, the toadies fellating the dev team at every turn are just as useless as those just making a post that says VG sux. Usually by the time I read one of their posts, it's already been torn to shreds by most anyone with a functioning brain.
As far as mods deleting threads, sometimes it's just the mod themselves. And if that's the case, then it's the sites responsibility to discipline them, and/or strip them of their mod position. If Cymdai started deleting posts here by anyone saying anything good about VG, I wouldn't immediately rush to make a post about how MMORPG.com as a whole is supporting censorship, and trying to squelch good PR about VG. I'd make a post about Cymdai abusing his mod responsibilities, and expect that Admin would remove him from his position, or at the very least remove his ability to delete posts. So, yeah, there may be some mods at SV/TTH/VN or wherever that are a bit happy with the delete button or the ban stick, but I don't think any of the sites as a whole are on the dole, trying to keep negative press about the game swept under the rug. FOH's forums are a horse of a different color, as they're a private guild forum, not a public fan site, or an affiliate site. If they don't like what someone is saying, they can show him the door for any reason at all.
I just think some people are getting a little carried away with the conspiracy theories, and at this point, if the Enquirer said McQuaid was Batboy, and and alien that ate human babies, they'd fully believe it. I mean, hell, there's people just posting random BS, with no verification what so ever, other than "it's a reliable source", and people are just eating it up, and taking it as gospel truth.
I happen to have heard from a reliable source that works for the FBI, that they're doing an investigation on Microsoft, for having bought off a number of developers at Sigil to ensure that the game would be incomplete, and thus fail, because they didn't want the game to be successful if they weren't going to be the publisher.
See how easy that was?
EDIT: I'd say there's a lot of leeway in what constitutes a constructive post, but I think most people here, whether they're for or against the game, recognize the difference between a worthwhile post, and one that's just pointless, if they're being honest about it.
I am neither a fan nor do I play Vanguard but I'm sorry there is a difference between constructive criticism and what you 90% of you guys post. I agree that when holding a discussion on a game you need to bring up the good and the bad but flooding these fan websites is intolerable and I am happy that they are taking a stand. These are fan websites and people like you guys need to back off. If you hate it so much step away and get on with your life and let these people do their thing. They don't want to have to listen to your complaining every single day about how much you hate the game.
Honestly I have no problem with Vanguard fans, they have a right to get defensive when you flood their boards and attack their game. You guys are the problem and you need to just chill out. You had your say, the press had their say, the game has been out for months now, just lets lay it to rest. Just leave the community alone and go on with your life.
It has almost become an obsession for people to go from bad game to bad game critizing the game and the community itself. It really needs to stop. You are allowed your opinion but enough is enough.
Oh and don't give me that "I am protecting potential future customers from making the same mistake because:
A. Most of you don't care enough about other people to be that generous.
B. If the person if that concerned about the quality of the product they will read the reviews which obviously speaks for itself
C. If they still purchase the product more power to them
Nothing some random stranger can say will sway another persons opinion.
So just to sum it all up leave Sigil, Brad, SOE, Vanguard and its community alone and do whatever it is you guys do when you are not complaining about something.
Originally posted by pb1285n I am neither a fan nor do I play Vanguard but I'm sorry there is a difference between constructive criticism and what you 90% of you guys post. I agree that when holding a discussion on a game you need to bring up the good and the bad but flooding these fan websites is intolerable and I am happy that they are taking a stand. These are fan websites and people like you guys need to back off. If you hate it so much step away and get on with your life and let these people do their thing. They don't want to have to listen to your complaining every single day about how much you hate the game. Honestly I have no problem with Vanguard fans, they have a right to get defensive when you flood their boards and attack their game. You guys are the problem and you need to just chill out. You had your say, the press had their say, the game has been out for months now, just lets lay it to rest. Just leave the community alone and go on with your life. It has almost become an obsession for people to go from bad game to bad game critizing the game and the community itself. It really needs to stop. You are allowed your opinion but enough is enough. Oh and don't give me that "I am protecting potential future customers from making the same mistake because: A. Most of you don't care enough about other people to be that generous. B. If the person if that concerned about the quality of the product they will read the reviews which obviously speaks for itself C. If they still purchase the product more power to them Nothing some random stranger can say will sway another persons opinion. So just to sum it all up leave Sigil, Brad, SOE, Vanguard and its community alone and do whatever it is you guys do when you are not complaining about something. Thank you
But what would we all that post here regularly, fan and hater alike, do while we're at work? Or after work, as I'd wager there's a good number of us that aren't playing any of the current MMO's and are just waiting around for one of the soon to be released games to hit the shelves. And start the cycle of hater/fanboi flamefest all over again.
And truthfully, the VG forum here isn't all that bad, even on it's worst days. Go check the SWG forum if you want to see bad. The angst level there is physically palpable.
You people are a bunch of gimps. Go to Silky Venom right now and you will see a whole host of negative comments and complaints against Vanguard as well as a dev tracker where the devs often respond to those complaints. This happens on a daily basis. It is utter BS that Sigil or any company is censoring forums. I mention Silky Venom because it is the most popular VG forum on the Internet.
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Sorry, boss, but for making a post semi-defending VG, you are now and forever, A Vanboi. Here's your merit badge, kool aid is on the table in the back.
*(the above was only 50% of a joke)
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LMAO. Absolutely. It is interesting that yet another forum both in spirit and policy is censuring Vanguard criticism. Further, there is no question that "viral tactics" are being used by SIGIL with limited effect because the game is really that bad.
I guess this dosen't apply to the Message boards fo the US ?
I've gotten it from in-house that SOE has been very unhappy over the negative publicity of VG, and feel it is effecting their subscriber numbers. I don't know for a fact but having worked at SOE and knowing how they do things, I am quite sure Brad has been threatened to clean it up or else.
I know for a fact Sigil would have no legal grounds to stand on, but I also know Brad personally and know how he thinks and acts and I can pretty well assure you he is threating certain websites/forums with legal action for negativity to his game.
I am also willing to bet some websites would rather simply police their members rather than pay for legal advice in the matter.
I would just like to say this whole incident surrounding Sigil is being investigated by State of California Ombudsman due to complaints filed for illicit business practices, false advertising, and personal threats of bodily harm made by certain company officers.
If this is not serious enough, a certain California newspaper is working up a very damaging expose into Sigil, its business practices, and use of Viral Marketing.
Anyway Brad is not only heading himself out of business due to his mouth, temper, and lack of control, but if he keeps going he may very well be heading himself to jail.
Nope...message boards are private property. You have the freedom to say what you want, but the company has the freedom to ban you. Or fire you. Or throw you out of their building. Whatever may apply.
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thats the truth heh, I could say the same things, but I'd have to add 'or I posted while to drunk to be rational' lol.
As to the point of this thread, I think people are being overly critical of these other sites. Recently, someone posted here about why there were no threads here on MMORPG that are actually game focused on VG- help with quests etc. Someone in the thread basically replied, this isn't a community building site, this is a place where people from all the different games come to post their thoughts.
I had a bad reaction to that post at first, but really it's the truth and it works both ways. This is the kind of site where you can really say whatever you want, even if its total trash talk against a game you don't/haven't played. Sites like silkyvenom etc, while they need to represent the game community as a whole, including negative opinions about game features, bugs, and general problems etc that the community has, doesn't owe anyone the right to endlessly bash the hell out of their feautured game.
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Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
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/grabs the popcorn out of Jackdog's hand
This has gotten extremely interesting. If what is said is true please keep us posted on these events.
/grabs the popcorn out of Jackdog's hand
This has gotten extremely interesting. If what is said is true please keep us posted on these events.
oh yes, please do. Did I accidently go to the SWG vet forums? thats the only place posts that start with 'I got it from so-and-so very reliable source' posts are treated with any respect at all, and even there it's not much. Seriously, people need to search the forums for the word Brad. The more times you see it, the more angery unreliable bullshit from people that have nothing to say about the game that hasn't been said a thousand times you will see. Seriously, express your opinion, but once you have, and have nothing further to add to the forum, move the fuck along.
So VN is for fans and not all players and you might as well not bother with it unless you are one.
As for the FOH debacle I personally think it's more of just a wild accusation than some real conspiracy...
fan: n. an enthusiastic devotee or follower [short for fanatic]
With all due respect, "constructive criticism" has been one of the most shady, shitty, hypocritical terms I have ever seen, especially on the forums. In fact, if the "constructive criticism" bs has started to frequent your friendly forum, run away from there as fast as you can. I have been in many boards so far and "constructive criticism" has always turned out to mean, "You will get the banning stick on your ass if you post anything negative. We don't want any negative PR."
I am not discussing the necessity of moderation or defending abusive flaming. But I have seen enough to give me shivers whenever that term starts showing up.
As for the OP, Utnayan in FOH was probably one of the few who always told the truth boldy (at least) about Vanguard even in early beta. His language would be too hard for some, but if it is the package the truth comes in, it is still welcome.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
they wont do that. Trust me when I say that. Admin has had game companies threaten to sue if his members continued to bash them. Craig pretty much deletes their email and ignores them.
In a time where forums are more prevalent than the MMORPGs themselves, failure to deliver a decent game will be shown on those forums and no amount of money, threats, or bans will ever stop them.
The only thing that will stop negative attacks on a game in forums is to deliver a stable game. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. When every single forum online that has anything to do with Vanguard (including Brad's own guild website forum) is pretty much full of Vanguard bashing, then that should really tell you something. Its not a coincedence
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
If Vanguard was anywhere near as good as the wankery that surrounds it, I'd probably subscribe. I love watching a good flame war. Heh.
Holy shit! Someone that admits to a mistake on the MMORPG.com Vanguard forum. A monumental occasion for both sides of the war, folks.
Just messing with you, btw. Kudos for at least admitting to the goof.
My point still stands though, the only mention of bans/deletions I see in the official forum rules are for people that are obviously trolling, posting personal attacks, etc. At least as far as VN, and TTH. Haven't gotten around to SV's forum guidelines, but from the time I spent there in the past, unless there was some great upheaval in the mods there, they didn't delete constructive criticism, just mindless bash posts. Personally, I'm all for that. Starting a thread that just says VG sux, with no reasoning behind why you felt that it was bad is a waste of bandwidth for the forum, and just ends up being a complete flamefest.
FOHguild.org is a different story, as they're not an affiliate, they're just a private guild board where many devs, including McQuaid happen to post due to their long relationship from back in the EQ days. I will say that things have really gone in the crapper there, though, since Furor stepped down when he got the job at Blizzard.
Now you bring up some definite good points. However, what precisely constitutes trolling changes from one person to the next, let alone from one moderator to the next. I understand the desire for "constructive" criticism but there is a flaw with that. You see, we are not Brad McQuaids' english lit professor, we aren't the creative writing instructors for the folks that work at Sigil, SOE, or any other company. We are the consumers and the clients. It is neither our job, nor our responsibility to do their work for them. If the proverbial well has run dry in the creative department then wouldn't they better be served by firing all the dead weight and hiring people with talent and ideas? It seems that not only do they (sigil, soe, and numerous other development houses) want us, the consumers, to pay them for a p.o.s. product, but they want us to give them the ideas and pay them to bring our ideas to fruition. That is just ass backwards.
Now, about the waste of bandwidth etc... is not the OMG Brad I love you I wanna suxxorz your *&#@ posts just as big a waste of bandwidth? Arent the posts that say Vanguard is the Pwn without rationalization etc just as big a waste of not only bandwidth but storage space? By trying to systematically hide anything negative does this not paint a dishonest and completely misleading picture of the current situation? It seems to me that Brad McQuaid and his cronies feel that people are so ignorant that they can not discern for themselves what truthes lie within those bash posts. That those individuals could care less about actually delivering an enjoyable play experience as long as they get people to buy boxes.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Yeah, the toadies fellating the dev team at every turn are just as useless as those just making a post that says VG sux. Usually by the time I read one of their posts, it's already been torn to shreds by most anyone with a functioning brain.
As far as mods deleting threads, sometimes it's just the mod themselves. And if that's the case, then it's the sites responsibility to discipline them, and/or strip them of their mod position. If Cymdai started deleting posts here by anyone saying anything good about VG, I wouldn't immediately rush to make a post about how MMORPG.com as a whole is supporting censorship, and trying to squelch good PR about VG. I'd make a post about Cymdai abusing his mod responsibilities, and expect that Admin would remove him from his position, or at the very least remove his ability to delete posts. So, yeah, there may be some mods at SV/TTH/VN or wherever that are a bit happy with the delete button or the ban stick, but I don't think any of the sites as a whole are on the dole, trying to keep negative press about the game swept under the rug. FOH's forums are a horse of a different color, as they're a private guild forum, not a public fan site, or an affiliate site. If they don't like what someone is saying, they can show him the door for any reason at all.
I just think some people are getting a little carried away with the conspiracy theories, and at this point, if the Enquirer said McQuaid was Batboy, and and alien that ate human babies, they'd fully believe it. I mean, hell, there's people just posting random BS, with no verification what so ever, other than "it's a reliable source", and people are just eating it up, and taking it as gospel truth.
I happen to have heard from a reliable source that works for the FBI, that they're doing an investigation on Microsoft, for having bought off a number of developers at Sigil to ensure that the game would be incomplete, and thus fail, because they didn't want the game to be successful if they weren't going to be the publisher.
See how easy that was?
EDIT: I'd say there's a lot of leeway in what constitutes a constructive post, but I think most people here, whether they're for or against the game, recognize the difference between a worthwhile post, and one that's just pointless, if they're being honest about it.
I am neither a fan nor do I play Vanguard but I'm sorry there is a difference between constructive criticism and what you 90% of you guys post. I agree that when holding a discussion on a game you need to bring up the good and the bad but flooding these fan websites is intolerable and I am happy that they are taking a stand. These are fan websites and people like you guys need to back off. If you hate it so much step away and get on with your life and let these people do their thing. They don't want to have to listen to your complaining every single day about how much you hate the game.
Honestly I have no problem with Vanguard fans, they have a right to get defensive when you flood their boards and attack their game. You guys are the problem and you need to just chill out. You had your say, the press had their say, the game has been out for months now, just lets lay it to rest. Just leave the community alone and go on with your life.
It has almost become an obsession for people to go from bad game to bad game critizing the game and the community itself. It really needs to stop. You are allowed your opinion but enough is enough.
Oh and don't give me that "I am protecting potential future customers from making the same mistake because:
A. Most of you don't care enough about other people to be that generous.
B. If the person if that concerned about the quality of the product they will read the reviews which obviously speaks for itself
C. If they still purchase the product more power to them
Nothing some random stranger can say will sway another persons opinion.
So just to sum it all up leave Sigil, Brad, SOE, Vanguard and its community alone and do whatever it is you guys do when you are not complaining about something.
Thank you
But what would we all that post here regularly, fan and hater alike, do while we're at work? Or after work, as I'd wager there's a good number of us that aren't playing any of the current MMO's and are just waiting around for one of the soon to be released games to hit the shelves. And start the cycle of hater/fanboi flamefest all over again.
And truthfully, the VG forum here isn't all that bad, even on it's worst days. Go check the SWG forum if you want to see bad. The angst level there is physically palpable.
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eh..I wouldnt say that.
Mourning was
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Lets Eat It!