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  • AurelynAurelyn Member Posts: 100
    Add Cymdai to my list of "respected for their objectivity" people... If he says the game is good and writes an essay about what is good, I might just try it again.



    He summed the whole saga up brilliantly. Good timeline of the events.



    And to you folks that think I am a hater trying to ruin your enjoyment... You are wrong... I just feel you folks come out from the basement once in a while, to bullshit us all into thinking the game is now worth the damn money we spent on it months ago. Nothing but the lunar cycle has changed. And that is downright wrong... Yes Brad and Co, it is bloody wrong.



    I hated the game due to the shit bugs... pure and simple. It looked like the 3rd prize winner at the state computing fair (not bad for amateurs, but we expect pro games now).  It no doubt had many other issues... But I couldn't see the forest for the bugs. I remember the head developer not Brad, name starts with L I think did a little post on the vgplayers site... said something very similar to "VG is like a house that we've just built and spent countless hours cleaning... To celebrate, we've invited some friends around, no doubt they'll find some miniscule blemishes".



    I remember thinking... "With a pigsty like this, good luck getting some".
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter
    Cym, I am sorry but you are wrong in saying the bashing and hate is because they did not get a satisfactory experience. Hating on a game for years Star Wars, and over a few months Vanguard on the same old forum is hate. Also if someone makes a post that says don't believe the haters, they mean haters. If you come to the post and bash him or talk hate on the game, you are a hater. If I go into a store and steal something I am stealing and it is that simple. I can say "I was just borrowing till i got bored of it then I will send it back." but I am still a thief.
    If ya post hate on a game board for months when not many new people show up to it, your just bashing a game. You won't make the hardcore people leave the game its obvious by the posts. So who you making leave with your "unsatisfactory bashing to save people from VG" no one is the answer. Your pushing out more anger and hate wasting more of your emotions and time on something that is so small and trivial. Go enjoy a f2p or an MMO that you don't want to bash or hate on. It is a ton more fun I assure you, it also does not hurt peoples feelings.
    The simple truth in the reason why what i say wont fly here is that I am being level headed. I am not bashing, I am not hating and I am not a fan, I am a third party trying to calm all the anger and hate. The rest are clouded by either hate, anger or both. This goes for both sides, the defenders that loose venom and hate and the attackers that do the same.

    Smells like.... Healz4u.

  • CymdaiCymdai Member UncommonPosts: 1,043
    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter

    Cym, I am sorry but you are wrong in saying the bashing and hate is because they did not get a satisfactory experience. Hating on a game for years Star Wars, and over a few months Vanguard on the same old forum is hate.



    Also if someone makes a post that says don't believe the haters, they mean haters. If you come to the post and bash him or talk hate on the game, you are a hater.



    If I go into a store and steal something I am stealing and it is that simple. I can say "I was just borrowing till i got bored of it then I will send it back." but I am still a thief.





    If ya post hate on a game board for months when not many new people show up to it, your just bashing a game. You won't make the hardcore people leave the game its obvious by the posts. So who you making leave with your "unsatisfactory bashing to save people from VG" no one is the answer. Your pushing out more anger and hate wasting more of your emotions and time on something that is so small and trivial. Go enjoy a f2p or an MMO that you don't want to bash or hate on. It is a ton more fun I assure you, it also does not hurt peoples feelings.





    The simple truth in the reason why what i say wont fly here is that I am being level headed. I am not bashing, I am not hating and I am not a fan, I am a third party trying to calm all the anger and hate. The rest are clouded by either hate, anger or both. This goes for both sides, the defenders that loose venom and hate and the attackers that do the same.

    Actually, I'd like to believe I'm very civil and collected in my posts. I have a few moments of weakness every now and again, but I generally think I handle myself in an organized, responsible manner.



    The thief analogy doesn't make sense though. I don't think posting my personal distaste for the game has anything to do with stealing. I don't come out saying "lolvgsux" and then pretend I like the game. In fact, one thing a lot of the users seem to dislike is that I make my stance very clear in regards to Vanguard.



    Besides, if I really wanted to bash Vanguard, I'd just come out and do it. However, I think the fact that the game is going on it's 4 month, and there are already talks of a merger due to it's failure, well, it's doing a good enough job of bashing itself.

    Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...

  • TalinTalin Member UncommonPosts: 923

    It is getting kind of crazy that each post regarding Vanguard seems to go into a white-blazed frenzy of angery posts.

    I agree with some of the sentiments expressed by the OP, although not some of the phrasing. While I played in Beta and have not tried the game in release, I liked some of the fundamentals that Vanguard had. I sadly walked away from purchasing the game as I felt it was "not done yet." I can't see spending my hard-earned money supporting a production game that is still in beta qualitty.

    That being said, I would love the opportunity to play the game in a trial and see how successful Sigil/Sony has been in bringing thr quality of the game to where is should have been initially. The best thing Sigil can do is to offer a 7 or 14 day trial AFTER they feel they have addressed the concerns of the community. That's really their last shot to bring people back. Unfortunately, 2007 is a massive year for MMORPG releases, and the clock is ticking.

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378
    Originally posted by Coldmeat


     

    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter

    Cym, I am sorry but you are wrong in saying the bashing and hate is because they did not get a satisfactory experience. Hating on a game for years Star Wars, and over a few months Vanguard on the same old forum is hate.
     
    Also if someone makes a post that says don't believe the haters, they mean haters. If you come to the post and bash him or talk hate on the game, you are a hater.
    If I go into a store and steal something I am stealing and it is that simple. I can say "I was just borrowing till i got bored of it then I will send it back." but I am still a thief.


    If ya post hate on a game board for months when not many new people show up to it, your just bashing a game. You won't make the hardcore people leave the game its obvious by the posts. So who you making leave with your "unsatisfactory bashing to save people from VG" no one is the answer. Your pushing out more anger and hate wasting more of your emotions and time on something that is so small and trivial. Go enjoy a f2p or an MMO that you don't want to bash or hate on. It is a ton more fun I assure you, it also does not hurt peoples feelings.


    The simple truth in the reason why what i say wont fly here is that I am being level headed. I am not bashing, I am not hating and I am not a fan, I am a third party trying to calm all the anger and hate. The rest are clouded by either hate, anger or both. This goes for both sides, the defenders that loose venom and hate and the attackers that do the same.

     

    Smells like.... Healz4u.

    ALERT....ALERT.....

    Now even Coldmeat thinks anyone who doesn't harbor irrational hate for a group of ones and zeros is the second shooter on the grassy knoll. It is truly a dark day for sanity.

    image
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by anarchyart
    Originally posted by Coldmeat

    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter
    Cym, I am sorry but you are wrong in saying the bashing and hate is because they did not get a satisfactory experience. Hating on a game for years Star Wars, and over a few months Vanguard on the same old forum is hate.

    Also if someone makes a post that says don't believe the haters, they mean haters. If you come to the post and bash him or talk hate on the game, you are a hater.
    If I go into a store and steal something I am stealing and it is that simple. I can say "I was just borrowing till i got bored of it then I will send it back." but I am still a thief. If ya post hate on a game board for months when not many new people show up to it, your just bashing a game. You won't make the hardcore people leave the game its obvious by the posts. So who you making leave with your "unsatisfactory bashing to save people from VG" no one is the answer. Your pushing out more anger and hate wasting more of your emotions and time on something that is so small and trivial. Go enjoy a f2p or an MMO that you don't want to bash or hate on. It is a ton more fun I assure you, it also does not hurt peoples feelings.The simple truth in the reason why what i say wont fly here is that I am being level headed. I am not bashing, I am not hating and I am not a fan, I am a third party trying to calm all the anger and hate. The rest are clouded by either hate, anger or both. This goes for both sides, the defenders that loose venom and hate and the attackers that do the same.

    Smells like.... Healz4u.



    ALERT....ALERT.....
    Now even Coldmeat thinks anyone who doesn't harbor irrational hate for a group of ones and zeros is the second shooter on the grassy knoll. It is truly a dark day for sanity.image

    Nah, the whole "OMGZ Teh forumz, they are filled wif hatredz" schtick reminded me of Healz, who seems to have gone absent. However, this guy is lacking the gleam of potential paranoid schizophrenia that was conveyed in Healz posts.

    And for the record, not only was I special enough to be the first person that healz "blocked", it was also for defending people that were posting in favor of VG, sort of, during the Viral Marketer Witch Hunt of 07. Personally, I think he's simply a troll with a different angle, rather than someone actually extolling the virtues of the game.

  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by Cymdai

    Sadly, I think one of the things that discredits almost ALL positive comments regarding the game is the fact that Brad has repeatedly and openly expressed his use of viral marketing tactics.



    Think about it. I'd go out on a limb and say 80% (totally imaginary estimate) of the people who post on this board have at least tried Vanguard at one point or another. Most didn't like it, and are not ashamed to give you detailed lists as to what they disliked about the game. The summarized list is usually...



    1) Performance issues.

    2) Crap release.

    3) Empty worlds/long travel times.

    4) Bugs, CTD's.

    5) Missing promised content months after release.

    6) The fact they nerfed classes before they fixed performance issues.



    Those are some of the common ones, but obviously there are plenty more problems I've failed to document.



    But, just as sepher said, and even if you just observe the boards enough, you notice certain trends. Every 2 weeks or so, there seems to be some new wave of tactics promoting the game's greatness. At first, it was just the downright, blatant lying (This game has no performance issues, it runs perfect, don't listen to anyone who says it doesn't! Try VG!). Then it went to the try-it-for-yourself. (No one's opinion should matter but your own. That's why you should buy and try before making an opinion on the game). After this, Brad wrote his first apology, similar to a Smedley style thing. (We made some mistakes, but Vanguard is still the best game out there...and you should try it...please?). Then came the discredit approach. (Don't listen to the stupid haters, they're just mad it's not WoW, and bitter SWG vets) Now we've moved onto the convert approach. (Vanguard once sucked, but I've given it another try and welcomed it into my life, and it's absolutely amazing! You should see how much better it's gotten since release!)



    It's not so much that people are posting positively, but there are suspect factors. The posting styles seem to mimic one another. They're often done by new accounts (How often do you see a 1000+ poster account preaching of Vanguard's greatness?) or lurkers who have less than 20 posts total. Specific examples are almost never given as to what has improved, but it's just "better" all around. Then, of course, there's the fact Brad announced a more aggressive viral marketing campaign.



    So forgive me if I take many positive comments with a grain of salt, but when you know there's someone paying people to hype a game, it's much more difficult to take things for face value. I think the gameplay needs to speak for itself; people will find out on their own from close friends if a game is truly awesome long before they take a completely random, unestablished person's word for it.



    Oh come on. 

    It's not enough that you discredit a posters opinion because he doesn't have 1000+ post counts, you  have to make an unsubstantiated claim as the one I highlighted?

    So you know this to be a fact?  And if you do know it to be a fact then you can prove it, right?

    Granted we have had our disagrements over your posts, and I wont get into that, but man, this is really hitting below the belt.

    Way to foster a friendly, inviting atmosphere for potential new members of MMORPG.com. Knowing now that I can't have a valid opinion, or not be an empolyee of Sigil unless I have 1000+ posts may I have my old forum name back then?

    It's a real shame that people can't except that others are returning to the game, and enjoying it. 

  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by fariic1
    Originally posted by Cymdai
    Sadly, I think one of the things that discredits almost ALL positive comments regarding the game is the fact that Brad has repeatedly and openly expressed his use of viral marketing tactics.Think about it. I'd go out on a limb and say 80% (totally imaginary estimate) of the people who post on this board have at least tried Vanguard at one point or another. Most didn't like it, and are not ashamed to give you detailed lists as to what they disliked about the game. The summarized list is usually...1) Performance issues.
    2) Crap release.
    3) Empty worlds/long travel times.
    4) Bugs, CTD's.
    5) Missing promised content months after release.
    6) The fact they nerfed classes before they fixed performance issues.Those are some of the common ones, but obviously there are plenty more problems I've failed to document.But, just as sepher said, and even if you just observe the boards enough, you notice certain trends. Every 2 weeks or so, there seems to be some new wave of tactics promoting the game's greatness. At first, it was just the downright, blatant lying (This game has no performance issues, it runs perfect, don't listen to anyone who says it doesn't! Try VG!). Then it went to the try-it-for-yourself. (No one's opinion should matter but your own. That's why you should buy and try before making an opinion on the game). After this, Brad wrote his first apology, similar to a Smedley style thing. (We made some mistakes, but Vanguard is still the best game out there...and you should try it...please?). Then came the discredit approach. (Don't listen to the stupid haters, they're just mad it's not WoW, and bitter SWG vets) Now we've moved onto the convert approach. (Vanguard once sucked, but I've given it another try and welcomed it into my life, and it's absolutely amazing! You should see how much better it's gotten since release!)It's not so much that people are posting positively, but there are suspect factors. The posting styles seem to mimic one another. They're often done by new accounts (How often do you see a 1000+ poster account preaching of Vanguard's greatness?) or lurkers who have less than 20 posts total. Specific examples are almost never given as to what has improved, but it's just "better" all around. Then, of course, there's the fact Brad announced a more aggressive viral marketing campaign.So forgive me if I take many positive comments with a grain of salt, but when you know there's someone paying people to hype a game, it's much more difficult to take things for face value. I think the gameplay needs to speak for itself; people will find out on their own from close friends if a game is truly awesome long before they take a completely random, unestablished person's word for it.

    Oh come on.
    It's not enough that you discredit a posters opinion because he doesn't have 1000+ post counts, you have to make an unsubstantiated claim as the one I highlighted?
    So you know this to be a fact? And if you do know it to be a fact then you can prove it, right?
    Granted we have had our disagrements over your posts, and I wont get into that, but man, this is really hitting below the belt.
    Way to foster a friendly, inviting atmosphere for potential new members of MMORPG.com. Knowing now that I can't have a valid opinion, or not be an empolyee of Sigil unless I have 1000+ posts may I have my old forum name back then?
    It's a real shame that people can't except that others are returning to the game, and enjoying it.


    I'm just curious about the sub 1000 posters that bash the game? Are they not equally guilty of being paid posters for Vivendi/Codemasters/EA, or whoever?

    So, if I have it right, if you like the game, but have under 1000 posts, you're a schill. If you dislike the game, and have less than 1000 posts, you're just a disgruntled customer that got ripped off?

    Personally, I think some of you people just have to much faith in humanity to accept the simple truth that there are just people that are that damn... stupid about whatever thing it is that they currently focus their life on at the moment, be it Vanguard, LotRO, George Bush, Bud Light, or whatever.

  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447

    Personally, I think some of you people just have to much faith in humanity to accept the simple truth that there are just people that are that damn... stupid about whatever thing it is that they currently focus their life on at the moment, be it Vanguard, LotRO, George Bush, Bud Light, or whatever.
    Good point here....its tunnel vision basically.  It happens everywhere with many different things but it really shows its face on a site like this as you have followers of many different things all in one place.  Another great example is most professional sport web sites, go onto a NFL team site, or a Nascar driver site and start bashing the team being represented there, it wont go over well.  Those fans generally see no fault in who they follow and will crucify you for mentioning anything they dont agree with.



    When you get into a situation where you have mutiple products, or teams or whatever in one forum, well, all hell can break loose as you have the fanatical fans (yeah, I know) of multiple things in one place that clash with each other and most cant seem to accept that anyone could possible dislike their choice and prefer something else.






  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by Coldmeat


     

    Originally posted by fariic1


    Originally posted by Cymdai

    Sadly, I think one of the things that discredits almost ALL positive comments regarding the game is the fact that Brad has repeatedly and openly expressed his use of viral marketing tactics.
     
    Think about it. I'd go out on a limb and say 80% (totally imaginary estimate) of the people who post on this board have at least tried Vanguard at one point or another. Most didn't like it, and are not ashamed to give you detailed lists as to what they disliked about the game. The summarized list is usually...
    1) Performance issues.

    2) Crap release.

    3) Empty worlds/long travel times.

    4) Bugs, CTD's.

    5) Missing promised content months after release.

    6) The fact they nerfed classes before they fixed performance issues.
    Those are some of the common ones, but obviously there are plenty more problems I've failed to document.
    But, just as sepher said, and even if you just observe the boards enough, you notice certain trends. Every 2 weeks or so, there seems to be some new wave of tactics promoting the game's greatness. At first, it was just the downright, blatant lying (This game has no performance issues, it runs perfect, don't listen to anyone who says it doesn't! Try VG!). Then it went to the try-it-for-yourself. (No one's opinion should matter but your own. That's why you should buy and try before making an opinion on the game). After this, Brad wrote his first apology, similar to a Smedley style thing. (We made some mistakes, but Vanguard is still the best game out there...and you should try it...please?). Then came the discredit approach. (Don't listen to the stupid haters, they're just mad it's not WoW, and bitter SWG vets) Now we've moved onto the convert approach. (Vanguard once sucked, but I've given it another try and welcomed it into my life, and it's absolutely amazing! You should see how much better it's gotten since release!)
    It's not so much that people are posting positively, but there are suspect factors. The posting styles seem to mimic one another. They're often done by new accounts (How often do you see a 1000+ poster account preaching of Vanguard's greatness?) or lurkers who have less than 20 posts total. Specific examples are almost never given as to what has improved, but it's just "better" all around. Then, of course, there's the fact Brad announced a more aggressive viral marketing campaign.
    So forgive me if I take many positive comments with a grain of salt, but when you know there's someone paying people to hype a game, it's much more difficult to take things for face value. I think the gameplay needs to speak for itself; people will find out on their own from close friends if a game is truly awesome long before they take a completely random, unestablished person's word for it.

     

    Oh come on.

    It's not enough that you discredit a posters opinion because he doesn't have 1000+ post counts, you have to make an unsubstantiated claim as the one I highlighted?

    So you know this to be a fact? And if you do know it to be a fact then you can prove it, right?

    Granted we have had our disagrements over your posts, and I wont get into that, but man, this is really hitting below the belt.

    Way to foster a friendly, inviting atmosphere for potential new members of MMORPG.com. Knowing now that I can't have a valid opinion, or not be an empolyee of Sigil unless I have 1000+ posts may I have my old forum name back then?

    It's a real shame that people can't except that others are returning to the game, and enjoying it.


     

    I'm just curious about the sub 1000 posters that bash the game? Are they not equally guilty of being paid posters for Vivendi/Codemasters/EA, or whoever?

    So, if I have it right, if you like the game, but have under 1000 posts, you're a schill. If you dislike the game, and have less than 1000 posts, you're just a disgruntled customer that got ripped off?

    Personally, I think some of you people just have to much faith in humanity to accept the simple truth that there are just people that are that damn... stupid about whatever thing it is that they currently focus their life on at the moment, be it Vanguard, LotRO, George Bush, Bud Light, or whatever.

    887 more posts and I can quit working for Sigil and have a valid opinion.
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by fariic1
    Originally posted by Coldmeat

    Originally posted by fariic1

    Originally posted by Cymdai
    Sadly, I think one of the things that discredits almost ALL positive comments regarding the game is the fact that Brad has repeatedly and openly expressed his use of viral marketing tactics.

    Think about it. I'd go out on a limb and say 80% (totally imaginary estimate) of the people who post on this board have at least tried Vanguard at one point or another. Most didn't like it, and are not ashamed to give you detailed lists as to what they disliked about the game. The summarized list is usually...
    1) Performance issues.
    2) Crap release.
    3) Empty worlds/long travel times.
    4) Bugs, CTD's.
    5) Missing promised content months after release.
    6) The fact they nerfed classes before they fixed performance issues.
    Those are some of the common ones, but obviously there are plenty more problems I've failed to document.
    But, just as sepher said, and even if you just observe the boards enough, you notice certain trends. Every 2 weeks or so, there seems to be some new wave of tactics promoting the game's greatness. At first, it was just the downright, blatant lying (This game has no performance issues, it runs perfect, don't listen to anyone who says it doesn't! Try VG!). Then it went to the try-it-for-yourself. (No one's opinion should matter but your own. That's why you should buy and try before making an opinion on the game). After this, Brad wrote his first apology, similar to a Smedley style thing. (We made some mistakes, but Vanguard is still the best game out there...and you should try it...please?). Then came the discredit approach. (Don't listen to the stupid haters, they're just mad it's not WoW, and bitter SWG vets) Now we've moved onto the convert approach. (Vanguard once sucked, but I've given it another try and welcomed it into my life, and it's absolutely amazing! You should see how much better it's gotten since release!)
    It's not so much that people are posting positively, but there are suspect factors. The posting styles seem to mimic one another. They're often done by new accounts (How often do you see a 1000+ poster account preaching of Vanguard's greatness?) or lurkers who have less than 20 posts total. Specific examples are almost never given as to what has improved, but it's just "better" all around. Then, of course, there's the fact Brad announced a more aggressive viral marketing campaign.
    So forgive me if I take many positive comments with a grain of salt, but when you know there's someone paying people to hype a game, it's much more difficult to take things for face value. I think the gameplay needs to speak for itself; people will find out on their own from close friends if a game is truly awesome long before they take a completely random, unestablished person's word for it.

    Oh come on.
    It's not enough that you discredit a posters opinion because he doesn't have 1000+ post counts, you have to make an unsubstantiated claim as the one I highlighted?
    So you know this to be a fact? And if you do know it to be a fact then you can prove it, right?
    Granted we have had our disagrements over your posts, and I wont get into that, but man, this is really hitting below the belt.
    Way to foster a friendly, inviting atmosphere for potential new members of MMORPG.com. Knowing now that I can't have a valid opinion, or not be an empolyee of Sigil unless I have 1000+ posts may I have my old forum name back then?
    It's a real shame that people can't except that others are returning to the game, and enjoying it.




    I'm just curious about the sub 1000 posters that bash the game? Are they not equally guilty of being paid posters for Vivendi/Codemasters/EA, or whoever?
    So, if I have it right, if you like the game, but have under 1000 posts, you're a schill. If you dislike the game, and have less than 1000 posts, you're just a disgruntled customer that got ripped off?
    Personally, I think some of you people just have to much faith in humanity to accept the simple truth that there are just people that are that damn... stupid about whatever thing it is that they currently focus their life on at the moment, be it Vanguard, LotRO, George Bush, Bud Light, or whatever.

    887 more posts and I can quit working for Sigil and have a valid opinion.

    Spend a day or two in the Off Topic forum, and you too can have a 1000+ post count.

    Instant validation!

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Originally posted by Nostaphos


    Yup .. just like the title states . Lost it all in one big bang playing eve last week and decided to throw in the towell and re-try Vanguard. Talk about a great decision. A lot of what i read on these boards almost prevented me from  returning but im glad common sense prevailed and i decided to ignore what ive read and re-try it out for myself. Have a level 13 Orc Shaman on the team PvP server (yea i know, still a noob) but im having a ball on him .  The graphics were choppy at first but the game seams to cache itself as you play or something ,.. it runs smoother as you play/relog into the same areas. All in All the performance has improved greatly and i think im gonna stick it out for the long haul =D.
    If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D
    When they get to the point of free trials I fully intend to give it another look see. However I can't justify paying money for it, way too much conflicting opinions right now. Not just on MMORPG.com either .

    I miss DAoC

  • CemmCemm Member UncommonPosts: 64
    I'm considering giving it another glimpse if and when a free trial becomes available too.  I nearly went ahead and followed through on my pre-order after beta, but just decided to take the 'wait and see' approach.  I'm definitely still very much 'waiting and seeing'.
  • ComanComan Member UncommonPosts: 2,178


    Originally posted by Cemm
    I'm considering giving it another glimpse if and when a free trial becomes available too. I nearly went ahead and followed through on my pre-order after beta, but just decided to take the 'wait and see' approach. I'm definitely still very much 'waiting and seeing'.

    Same here also waiting for an trail. Really not going to check it out with all those bad player reviews.

  • MmoseaotterMmoseaotter Member Posts: 163
    I don't troll and never will, I just speak the truth on the thread that I come to. The simple truth is you are biased if ya only say bad things about a game. You can have a million posts and still be wrong or biased, it happens to the best of people. I just know that whenever you all bash a game its out of feelings of anger or hate for it, you and i both know this. Your views of the game make it quite clear your holding a grudge. It is not a bad thing it is just you all feel screwed by a company, we all have been there. I just say don't throw out hate so much and lets focus on changes and that the possible outcome could be good. I am not an SOE hater and I think when they egt to VG they will help it.





    I don't play VG for those who think I am biased to it. I also don't have a comp powerful enough to run the game yet. Also i would not have a name like HEALZ4U, I am not much into the hole s replaced with a z thing.



    Sorry that you did not get my analogy Cym, i was simply saying it it walks like an otter, swims like an otter,  and smells like an otter, its probably an otter. So if you say bad things about a game numerous times in many posts, say the game is dieing, and say the game has no hope then chances are ya might be a hater.



    I just say give it a little more time, let the poster hype it as he really enjoys the game and don't be too harsh and mean.



    Someone said coming out of the basement or something in a post. Just FYI i have a very big basement and it has potato chips, a pool, 3 sea otters as body guards, a disco ball, a strobe light, and a mini fridge filled with peanut butter cups. I weigh 500 pounds and I happen to be three foot tall. When I am not wearing my gigantic 6 inch glasses and eating I am coming whats left of my balding head and trimming my back hair. How you doin!?






    Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!

  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    I'm still having a blast.  And yes, performance did improve.  They also added a lot of "features" in the settings that makes it easier to tune the game.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • RPGBeechRPGBeech Member Posts: 171
    Originally posted by matraque

    I'm still having a blast.  And yes, performance did improve.  They also added a lot of "features" in the settings that makes it easier to tune the game.

    "Performance improved" and "Performance improved for you" are two very different things.



    I would not be quite so quick to generalize that performance improved for everyone simply

    because it did for you.
  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by RPGBeech

    Originally posted by matraque

    I'm still having a blast.  And yes, performance did improve.  They also added a lot of "features" in the settings that makes it easier to tune the game.

    "Performance improved" and "Performance improved for you" are two very different things.



    I would not be quite so quick to generalize that performance improved for everyone simply

    because it did for you.

    Seems like an awful lot of people saying the performance has improved for them.  I wonder if the performance has improved any?
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by fariic1
    Originally posted by RPGBeech
    Originally posted by matraque
    I'm still having a blast. And yes, performance did improve. They also added a lot of "features" in the settings that makes it easier to tune the game.
    "Performance improved" and "Performance improved for you" are two very different things.

    I would not be quite so quick to generalize that performance improved for everyone simply
    because it did for you.


    Seems like an awful lot of people saying the performance has improved for them. I wonder if the performance has improved any?

    Not from where I sit.

    Actually, I found a new and exciting bug or two last night. Well, new and exciting for me, anyway.

  • CymdaiCymdai Member UncommonPosts: 1,043
    Originally posted by fariic1



     Oh come on. 
    It's not enough that you discredit a posters opinion because he doesn't have 1000+ post counts, you  have to make an unsubstantiated claim as the one I highlighted?
    So you know this to be a fact?  And if you do know it to be a fact then you can prove it, right?
    Granted we have had our disagrements over your posts, and I wont get into that, but man, this is really hitting below the belt.
    Way to foster a friendly, inviting atmosphere for potential new members of MMORPG.com. Knowing now that I can't have a valid opinion, or not be an empolyee of Sigil unless I have 1000+ posts may I have my old forum name back then?
    It's a real shame that people can't except that others are returning to the game, and enjoying it. 
    That's my mistake on not clarifying my position.



    Personally, I believe you have to establish credibility before I take anyone's word for face value. Personally, I browse forums frequently, find a few posters who are generally intelligent/accurate/knowledgeable of what they're talking about, and I remember their name when I ask a question. By demonstrating to me repeatedly that they're a credible source, I can take things they say more seriously or less seriously.



    In other words, if I see a poster who I've seen post on other boards, who's generally making intelligent posts consistently, what they say will always carry more weight with their words than someone I've never seen post a single topic before.



    I hope that makes sense. The 1000+ post part was just an example. I don't even have 1000 posts yet... The point I was trying to, yet evidently failed to make, was that I have a hard time taking a person with 3 posts seriously. Especially when their only posts are "This is the best game ever.", "Nothing else even compares", and "Here's why I love this game". On the other hand, should I see some folks who I've generally come to trust and respect on the board giving detailed, thorough examples of how the game's improved, and why I should give it another shot, I'm much more likely to take their word at face value.



    You can use me for an example if you'd like. A couple users here generally agree with what I say, and respect my opinion a good deal. There's also a lot of people who disagree with my opinion and posting styles. I've established myself here. Some people will take what I say at a greater face value, others will completely discredit anything I have to say. The decision is ultimately yours to make. However, I think by making my stances open and obvious, it gives my word significantly more/less appeal. See how that differs from someone you've never seen post before?



    Hopefully that clarifies my earlier statement for you fariic1 and Coldmeat

    Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...

  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by Cymdai

    Originally posted by fariic1



     Oh come on. 
    It's not enough that you discredit a posters opinion because he doesn't have 1000+ post counts, you  have to make an unsubstantiated claim as the one I highlighted?
    So you know this to be a fact?  And if you do know it to be a fact then you can prove it, right?
    Granted we have had our disagrements over your posts, and I wont get into that, but man, this is really hitting below the belt.
    Way to foster a friendly, inviting atmosphere for potential new members of MMORPG.com. Knowing now that I can't have a valid opinion, or not be an empolyee of Sigil unless I have 1000+ posts may I have my old forum name back then?
    It's a real shame that people can't except that others are returning to the game, and enjoying it. 
    That's my mistake on not clarifying my position.



    Personally, I believe to have to establish credibility before I take anyone's word for face value. Personally, I browse forums frequently, find a few posters who are generally intelligent/accurate/knowledgeable of what they're talking about, and I remember their name when I ask a question. By demonstrating to me repeatedly that they're a credible source, I can take things they say more seriously or less seriously.



    In other words, if I see a poster who I've seen post on other boards, who's generally making intelligent posts consistently, what they say will always carry more weight with their words than someone I've never seen post a single topic before.



    I hope that makes sense. The 1000+ post part was just an example. The point I was trying to, yet evidently failed to make, was that I have a hard time taking a person with 3 posts seriously. Especially when their only posts are "This is the best game ever.", "Nothing else even compares", and "Here's why I love this game".



    Hopefully that clarifies my earlier statement for you fariic1 and Coldmeat

    Fair enough, I can respect that.

  • MmoseaotterMmoseaotter Member Posts: 163
    Cym sorry for lumping you in with the bias crowd, it just seemed that way.



    As for the performance, it will keep getting better and better I am sure. You don't spend that much on a game then let it die without a fighting chance. Hopefully SOE will help it out of its spiral and it can get better for the fans that enjoy it.

    Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!

  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Originally posted by RPGBeech

    Originally posted by matraque

    I'm still having a blast.  And yes, performance did improve.  They also added a lot of "features" in the settings that makes it easier to tune the game.

    "Performance improved" and "Performance improved for you" are two very different things.



    I would not be quite so quick to generalize that performance improved for everyone simply

    because it did for you.

    It did... No matter how you twist it, it did improve for me and for others.  Sorry if that bothers you.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • RPGBeechRPGBeech Member Posts: 171
    Originally posted by matraque

    Originally posted by RPGBeech

    Originally posted by matraque

    I'm still having a blast.  And yes, performance did improve.  They also added a lot of "features" in the settings that makes it easier to tune the game.

    "Performance improved" and "Performance improved for you" are two very different things.



    I would not be quite so quick to generalize that performance improved for everyone simply

    because it did for you.

    It did... No matter how you twist it, it did improve for me and for others.  Sorry if that bothers you.

    Why would you think it bothers me ?



    All I am saying is that hasty generalizations based on a small sample does not make it fact. 
  • AbraxosAbraxos Member Posts: 412
    Originally posted by metalcore


     

    Originally posted by Nostaphos

    Yup .. just like the title states . Lost it all in one big bang playing eve last week and decided to throw in the towell and re-try Vanguard. Talk about a great decision. A lot of what i read on these boards almost prevented me from  returning but im glad common sense prevailed and i decided to ignore what ive read and re-try it out for myself. Have a level 13 Orc Shaman on the team PvP server (yea i know, still a noob) but im having a ball on him .  The graphics were choppy at first but the game seams to cache itself as you play or something ,.. it runs smoother as you play/relog into the same areas. All in All the performance has improved greatly and i think im gonna stick it out for the long haul =D.

    If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D

     

    There is a lot of moaners on this forum, they dont like VG cos you have to work for everything.

    Hence why games like LOTR where there is no challenge get high ratings.

    I thought LOTRs got higher ratings because it is actually a playable polished working game with graphics that work on most peoples systems?
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