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I just don't see it.
Zeknichov
Member Posts: 98
Siege to get better items to siege to get better items to siege to get better items. After you've got the best items, whine about how PvP has no point and go back to waiting on the next new PvP MMOG. This game is just WoW without the PvE raids and without instanced battlegrounds. If the game isn't going to be item based, and the skills you get from PvPing don't really influence your characters power that much what point does PvP have? Bragging rights? E-peen battles?
"Oh my guild beat your guild yesterday we're better."
"Well if my guild actually logged on instead of playing CS and Starcraft 2 we'd have beat you."
No I'm not advocating having this game be item based. No I'm not advocating that the skills from PvP be uber powerful. I'm advocating item loot/destruction. With that being said I'll still play this game because all my friends who played WoW (was their first MMOG and only MMOG I could get them to play,) will be playing this game. Ironic isn't it?
"Oh my guild beat your guild yesterday we're better."
"Well if my guild actually logged on instead of playing CS and Starcraft 2 we'd have beat you."
No I'm not advocating having this game be item based. No I'm not advocating that the skills from PvP be uber powerful. I'm advocating item loot/destruction. With that being said I'll still play this game because all my friends who played WoW (was their first MMOG and only MMOG I could get them to play,) will be playing this game. Ironic isn't it?
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If you ever played DAoC, people have had the same items for a LONG time, yet they still pvp every day doing the same ol' same ol'. Guess what? They still have fun doing it. Guilds compete vs other Guilds in 8v8 or people just form PUGs together and 8v8. They then gloat and flex their e-peens on the VN boards.
Looking for something new.
Besides, the game is not out yet, everything can change since then, you just wait and see what it'll be. If you still don't like it, don't play it.
From what I have been reading, WAR is more based on RvR. You are not an adventurer out to make a buck or whose goal is to enrich himself. In this game, your race is on the brink of doom. You are clashing with the other races ( well Order vs. Destruction) for supremacy. It is not to seek out some mobs cave and camp it for the purple drop. While I believe there will be PvE threats and rare mobs to go after, the theme will be that these PvE threats hamper your race in its ability to defend itself (or obstruct your expansion campaign).
Your glory to play this game is to challenge yourself against others as a member of your race of your choosing. The end game is when you ransack your enemies city or your city falls. Then it resets after a time (though I hope the city reset thing can be role played or the game triggers a set of programs which give the fallen race a chance to reclaim their city..)
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AoC isn't built for PvP primarily. PvP only takes place in one area called the Border Kingdoms and there are only 20 PvP levels. The rest of the game is PvE and there are 80 levels for this, you do get PvP mini games like drunken brawling though. The best things going for AoC for me are the graphics and the new combat system, if the new combat succeeds we may see future MMO's leave the diku system behind.
For the avid PvP/RvR'er WAR wll be the game to go for.
It depends how they do the BKs. EVE currently has the best PvP system of any released game. BKs sound a lot like EVE 0.0 space. The only thing that is iffy right now on AoC is how useful Blood Money will be. If a character gets the best items in the game will having blood money serve any purpose except bragging rights? If castles in the BK require BM to attack/defend and if a player loses a certain amount of BMs they are kicked out of the BKs then perhaps AoCs PvP will be good.LOL, Zeknichov is a Eve Fanboy, I knew it. But do you know what mr. Zeknichov, Eve PvP system is not Flawless, its almost pathic. Its mainly positioning the ship correctly so the enemy ship is in the range of fire of you cannon. Even a kid can figure that out.
AoC fanboi? Hardly, the game is still too reliant on speculation and the developers' responses on the forums only help to bolster my doubts about the PvP in AoC.
However the question is whether AoC or WAR will be the best hope for PvP in MMOGs. It's unfortunate that it comes down to this because it's quite obvious that WARs PvP will be terrible, AoCs could very easily be worse. I haven't even bothered to check LoTR because when the game was first being published the developers stated they may allow PvP sometime after its release. That was two years ago though.
Having one area for PvP doesn't make PvP bad. PvP does not need to be FFA all over to be good. The area where PvP is just needs to be the best area for PvEing. When you win in PvP you need to get stronger. When you lose in PvP you need to get weaker. That's all PvP needs.
Aion? Haven't checked that out. Will do now.
Yea Okie former EvE fanboy now Age of Conan fanboy, whatever. Every MMORPG is a grindfest one way around or the other way. Of cause Age of Conan claim to be skilled based it not fully. Gear will stay play a vital role in AoC and there it no item decay. Without item decay in AoC the end games ends up becoming similar to wow in many aspects of never ending grinding for something to the point where all competitive pvp lost its initial point and focus.
My suggestion is that you try to both out and test them. Then choice wise
Anyway Im a lucky beta tester on AoC and gonna try it soon. Then I will at least figure out what is best, myself have bigger hope for WAR RvR system (Its buildt by DAoC old crew), but you never know before you have tried it youself. Maybe you try DAoC and get a glimp for some real PvP!, my dear mr. Zenichov. But serius you post is pathic and childish about bragging about this. I like more construtive post myself.
Sounds like he wants to be able to gank newbies and take their gear, any game that doesn't let him do that is terrible!
Just a dumb troll any way you slice it.
[quote]But serius you post is pathic and childish about bragging about this.[/quote]
Who's the one making posts bragging about which beta they are in again? I don't have any hope for either WAR or AoC. The difference is that WARs system is pretty much known, where as AoCs is still very much speculation.
Ohh, ok, so you just need to make up for your shortcommings in reality by making people suffer online.
Gotcha.
Work to achieve something that you could risk losing. Working to achieve something that you could never lose is still achievement but not in the same category. it's all the more gratifying knowing that you could risk losing everything.
we really need more of these. why is it that people are so obsessed with loss in pvp? thats why finding a fun (FUN() fight in EvE is so hard. i expect to enjoy pvp in war, and i expect to die a lot. if i lost anything when i died pretty soon i would have nothing... and then i would quit.
my god! what a successful recipie for a game!
If you like EVE's PvP then that's great. Enjoy the game. You won't convince me to try it with a 20-foot pole and that was before the stories of Developers cheating and the backstabbing players who screw over people who trust them.
You do bring up a good point with noting that we do know much more about WAR whereas AoC is still a big question mark.
But we really can't judge either game until beta-testing and the NDA is lifted and we can actually see how these mechanics are implemented.
Until then, all this is just speculation.
Then you go kill more people than anyone else and earn it.....earning a title without making people suffer greatly is just fine for people without a giant ego and social shortcommings.
I earned a car without making other people lose their cars...it's just as nice.
How is Zeknichov a fanbois? I think he's right about the vast majority of games not having a consequence concerning pvp.
I don't think he's attacking your precious game, he's merely stating his opinion about the sad state of pvp. I agree with him.
I play LOTRO and enjoy it but don't think the pvp is adequate (yes, I know, monster play). Discuss this like a mature adult and stop calling someone a fanboy while you yourself are acting the same way regarding your precious.
If items get destroyed everytime you die, then no items really have any value. Therefore, this wouldn't make dying sting anymore than the current system. Of course, you could argue that this would make combat all about skill, which would be a good thing. However, pure skill based systems take out a lot of the advancement factor that is so critical to creating a MMORPG people actually want to play. Instead, you end up with a MMOFPS or a FP sword simulator. And those are in development, and have been developed already. I don't think your ideas are congruent with the whole idea of a MMORPG, but are valid for MMOFPS. Its just, Warhammer will be a MMORPG.
Then there is the perfect game for Ultima Online or Lineage 2. Otherwise you can go back to Eve Online. There is of cause problems. Ultima Online is getting old, even after 10 year of service. Lineage 2 is fulled of bots. And Eve Online, yea you should know.
Beside
Blood money is similar to WoW´s honor token/points system
On a sidenote a worked hard to get a good car, not a cheap american model
PS: I kinda like you have editted most of you post in this topic Zeknichov. Great work
I'm sick of hearing this fanboy-bollocks. The guy was simply wondering why you'd continue to PvP once you've got everything.
There has to be a reason to PvP, otherwise you'll soon get bored with repeating the same thing over and over again. WAR will have cities to be conquered, and if there's no benefit to holding a city, then eventually people will just not bother. However, I'm sure WAR will be more than just mindless zerging, and there will be objectives.
Stop putting words in the guys mouth, and either answer his questions, or STFU trolling.
-iCeh
That being said, I don't expect PvP in WAR to be the same as DAOC. I expect it to be better. I expect that the development and design staff learned a lot from what worked, and what didn't , from DAOC. I expect that they have learned how artificial WoW's PvP feels, how messy Shadowbane's was, how limited LotRO's is. I'm not taking anythign away from those games, but I did not/do not care for their concept of PvP the way I did for DACO's (LotRO isn't really about PvP anyhow
Instead of condemning a system that is still in development, why not analyze what could be good and bad about it, and offer some constructive discussion?
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