Why would you choose WoW over EQ2?

Azron · June 2004

If you havent gone through both the WoW info and the EQ2 info your opinion doesn't matter.

I am wanting to hear from the people who have fully informend themselves on both games, without major biased. Why did you pick WoW?

Is it for the worse graphics? The lack of imersion? The way they try to hurt people who just want to kill things for hours?

Or maybe you just want to play a game that will not have many people playing it in a year? Crowding can be annoying empty servers leaves your pick of the content... right?

If not one of those reasons, why are you waiting for WoW?

DaShiz · June 2004

well, it would seem that you don't really like this game from your choices of why you think people are choosing it.

So;

1) The graphics are aimed more twoards an artistic fantasy style setting. Warcraft has never been aimed at being surreal in any of it's preceeding games. The storylines and history is where the surreal detail is put in. The graphics are not persay worse, they are aimed at accomplishing a unique setting and style.

2) Lack of Immersion? I would like to argue that point, but I have no first hand knowledge of actual gameplay for EQII. I have read immensly about it on it's homepage and forums, but I havn't seen or talked to someone who is playing it right now that can tell me about the gameplay. The Immersion in WoW is actually very good, it is done more from quests which is the the way that blizzard is trying to make the main focus of gaining lvl's. This is to try to alleviate the "Grind" between lvls and create more of an immediate reward makeing the player feel like they have accomplished something so that there is more of an attraction to gameplay. EQII will have quests and they have a unique one in that, but there will still be the incesent "Grind" of each lvl, and as well once you get to high a lvl which will no doubt take half of your life for a few months, you will not be able to "Tweek" a new character and advance them higher lvls faster due to there implimentation of restricting power lvling characters. Good and bad. The main focus of EQII will undoubtably be end game, which I see nothing wrong with, you dont want to max your character and have nothing to do. But you will get bored of the game quicker possibly. WoW is attempting to make the inbetween lvl of beginning and end game interesting. Now if you are a role player, there is nothing to say that you cannont role play in WoW as well as EQII. But, I will give you that immersion will be much more in EQII b/c of many things such as voice overs, the whole setup of the storyline behind the seperate cities and there respective races dwelling within them, there is alot more, but it doesnt give it that much of a lead in my oppinion.

3) Ah yes, Rest State. I had almost completely givin up on Blizzard for this crap, but we shall see. Most people don't even notice it, but it is still there and that affects people pshycologicaly in that they know that the more they play the less they will recieve regardless of wether or not they were recieveing a bonus before the fact.

4) I very much doubt that there will be few people playing this game in a year. But only time will tell on that one.

I have many oppinions, but I will post them a little bit latter, or I'll provide a link to this one post I found earlier.

DaShiz · June 2004

Dracius sumed it up fairly well in his two posts at this link:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm?load=forums&loadclass=102&loadforum=432&loadthread=11309&jumptopost=112554#112554

There are two posts by him and they are fairly long.

What I think MY main focus is that they may not be trying lots of new and extremely innovative things that EQII may be attempting, what they are doing though is doing all the things that every other company is messing up they are trying to do it right. And they are doing almost all of it right, there are bumps on the road no doubt, but I guarentee there will be more bumps and more crap that people will hate in EQII at launch then there will be with WoW, but we will see. I will end up playing both, but I am gravitateing more twoards WoW atm.

One thing that I will give EQII though is they are attempting to try something new and innovative. Great experiences come from new and exciting things that you havn't adventured yet, and as well things you havnt tried yet.

Misti · June 2004

Both sound great to me.

One question though DaShiz. I dont understand how you can assume WoW will be more quest oriented and less grind play then EQ2. Have you read how WoW is planning to offer over 1400 quests at launch and npcs will have big exclamation points over their heads? EQ2 has advertised almost 1600 quests and the npcs will actually call out to you if you have enough reputation and level to be ready for their quest.

I would say its too early to tell how EQ2 will turn out but nothing I have read indicates it will be any less quest oriented then WoW. In fact the quests they have hinted at are far more exciting and different then those that are available in the current WoW beta.

I do agree with you though that WoW will be probably be very good because they are making sure the things that they do include are all done well.

DaShiz · June 2004

Originally posted by Misti
Both sound great to me.
One question though DaShiz. I dont understand how you can assume WoW will be more quest oriented and less grind play then EQ2. Have you read how WoW is planning to offer over 1400 quests at launch and npcs will have big exclamation points over their heads? EQ2 has advertised almost 1600 quests and the npcs will actually call out to you if you have enough reputation and level to be ready for their quest.
I would say its too early to tell how EQ2 will turn out but nothing I have read indicates it will be any less quest oriented then WoW. In fact the quests they have hinted at are far more exciting and different then those that are available in the current WoW beta.
I do agree with you though that WoW will be probably be very good because they are making sure the things that they do include are all done well.

You pose a good point, but you have to look at it like this, both games will divide there quests into probably two sides; WoW has Alliance & Horde; EQII has Good & Evil allignment based off of starting cities. Then you will probably have to break it down more due to the amount of selectable races and classes. 8 races and 9 classes for WoW; 14 selctable races and 24 classes if I'm not mistakin, now there is a higherarchy of class advancement, so there will be some specific to the lower advancements of these classes. What I'm getting at is that they will need more quests b/c it will be broken up more. As well WoW has made it clear that they prefer people to advance through questing, where as EQII really hasn't made it a priority. Don't get me wrong I love the fact that if a npc has a quest that you can do for them they will walk up to you instead of some type of graphic indicating it, but I'm not so sure that it will be as plentiful and as accesible as WoW. But at this point you cant really tell yet, so it is just speculation.
O, I don't know if I mentioned it, but I will be playing both!!! I love both series.

-edit: originally I posted that i thought there was 16 classes, I was wrong there are 24, I have adjusted it. Also, as of right now there are 1,700+ quests in WoW and there is expected to be 2,000+ by release. If you check out the latest Q&A Katricia states those specific #'s

Azron · June 2004

Originally posted by DaShiz
2) Lack of Immersion? I would like to argue that point, but I have no first hand knowledge of actual gameplay for EQII. I have read immensly about it on it's homepage and forums, but I havn't seen or talked to someone who is playing it right now that can tell me about the gameplay. The Immersion in WoW is actually very good, it is done more from quests which is the the way that blizzard is trying to make the main focus of gaining lvl's. This is to try to alleviate the "Grind" between lvls and create more of an immediate reward makeing the player feel like they have accomplished something so that there is more of an attraction to gameplay. EQII will have quests and they have a unique one in that, but there will still be the incesent "Grind" of each lvl, and as well once you get to high a lvl which will no doubt take half of your life for a few months, you will not be able to "Tweek" a new character and advance them higher lvls faster due to there implimentation of restricting power lvling characters. Good and bad. The main focus of EQII will undoubtably be end game, which I see nothing wrong with, you dont want to max your character and have nothing to do. But you will get bored of the game quicker possibly. WoW is attempting to make the inbetween lvl of beginning and end game interesting. Now if you are a role player, there is nothing to say that you cannont role play in WoW as well as EQII. But, I will give you that immersion will be much more in EQII b/c of many things such as voice overs, the whole setup of the storyline behind the seperate cities and there respective races dwelling within them, there is alot more, but it doesnt give it that much of a lead in my oppinion

First you say you have no firsthand EQ2 knowledge then you go on to tell us all "what the game will be like" Riiight.

"EQII will have quests and they have a unique one in that, but there will still be the incesent "Grind" of each lvl, and as well once you get to high a lvl which will no doubt take half of your life for a few months, you will not be able to "Tweek" a new character and advance them higher lvls faster due to there implimentation of restricting power lvling characters."

WoW does not take a long time to reach max level? If not you'll get bored of this game really fast nobody wants to fly through an MMO. MMO are more for power gamers than casual gamers if you make it too easy you'll loose a lot of your hardcore subscribers.

You can't twink in EQII? False, you can't power level and that is a great thing. On EQII you will not see power leveling services where you can pay money to have your character leveled, you will not see people playing multiple accounts, getting them high level and then selling them. It will be much more difficult to do this in EQII its going to help the game a ton. You will still be able to give your lower level character items, not the best items but you don't need the best items at level 1. You can twink you just can't instantly level new characters.

"The main focus of EQII will undoubtably be end game, which I see nothing wrong with, you dont want to max your character and have nothing to do."

You haven't been following EQII. Raiding starts at level 15, so at level 15 your guild can team up and go on "raids". No it won't be a dragon but it will be something. Where did you get this the focus is the end game? That is the opposite the focus of EQII is more towards the casual gamer and being able to play in small chunks and enjoy the game and content at all levels. This is another totally false statement.

Nobody has given any real good reasons, I cannot see anything WoW has beaten EQII at. You don't think voice overs are a big deal? If you buy both games, WoW and EQII I guarntee 95% of the people will cancel their WoW account because they will be playing EQII too much. You will never go into a game, experience amazing voice overs for the first time in a MMORPG, and then go to a game that lacks them.

Immersion will be much more in EQ2

DaShiz · June 2004

Originally posted by Azron
First you say you have no firsthand EQ2 knowledge then you go on to tell us all "what the game will be like" Riiight.WoW does not take a long time to reach max level? If not you'll get bored of this game really fast nobody wants to fly through an MMO. MMO are more for power gamers than casual gamers if you make it too easy you'll loose a lot of your hardcore subscribers.You haven't been following EQII. Raiding starts at level 15, so at level 15 your guild can team up and go on "raids". No it won't be a dragon but it will be something. Where did you get this the focus is the end game? That is the opposite the focus of EQII is more towards the casual gamer and being able to play in small chunks and enjoy the game and content at all levels. This is another totally false statement.

Well, first off I'm pretty sure that I stated that everything that I stated was my oppinion or speculation. I do keep up on EQII as much as I possibly can and I'm not makeing crap up, but some things such as end game content seem to me to be more previlant of a priority than underling lvls. Right now no one can say if it is true or not b/c no one who has had first hand EQII experience can state that specificly. What I was trying to get at was that WoW is trying to make each lvl seem more important and rewarding through the quest systems so as to distract people from the "Grind" of lvls b/c now matter what mmo it is it will take a while to max.

well, it would appear that EQII and WoW are both in the same boat of not focusing on the MMO croud if MMO's are more for power gamers since they both seem to be focused on casual gamers huh....

-Edit: Also there are plenty of good reasons to choose WoW, you should read the link that I posted here. You are just much more focused on EQII and don't seem to be giving it a chance. I would be willing to bet that you started this thread here just to start an arguement in the first place and not to get an answer.

Zrazik · June 2004

You ask for an ubiased opinions, but your negative approach against WoW is very distubing. Still I have not yet decided which title is better. So to your points;
I consider EQ2 graphics ugly, really can't stand that palsic dolls. Yeah WoW cartoony graphics aren't much better, but still beat EQ2. Oh, and i don't really care much about technical specs, I just want game to look good, WoW quality is enough and EQ2

metalfoxus · June 2004

its EQ2 for me, i USED to be interested in WoW. But then i noticed, there is just so much more in EQ2. More than WoW would have even if it had 5 expansions. EQ2 is like a real world, its so immersive, you could lose yourself in it and actually believe you are there.

Ashanor · June 2004

Funny, you ask for no bias. Yet you are one of the most biased snots I have ever seen.

Contradict yourself much?

Ashanor · June 2004

" its EQ2 for me, i USED to be interested in WoW. But then i noticed, there is just so much more in EQ2. More than WoW would have even if it had 5 expansions. EQ2 is like a real world, its so immersive, you could lose yourself in it and actually believe you are there. "

I seriously doubt you have even played WoW. How would you even know how much "more" EQ2 would have? I doubt you have played either of them as a matter of fact. Come back when you speak from expierence. I doubt even in EQ2's dreams it could launch with as much content as WoW will have 5 expansions from now. I seriously doubt EQ2 will even be able to keep up with World of Warcrafts content on release day, much less 5 expansions down the road.

Of course, your just a mindless EQ fanboy. You will believe anything Sony tells you. They could say they have dancing dragons and you could fly in EQ2 and you would believe it. Not because they actually have it, but because "they will". lol

Anyway, if you enjoy models with way to many polygons and horrible textures then EQ2 is the game for you. I would really love to see a epic style raid in EQ2. lol I imagine it would go about like this: Freeze - Unfreeze - Freeze - Unfreeze - I can't move, lagggggg - Unfreeze - Freeze - Unfreeze.

Wotann · June 2004

I won't choose either WoW nor EQ2, because I choose the best game there is

Nemo sine vitio est

icecube007x · June 2004

Well i have never played a EQ game but from rumor they are considered some of the best. Now i am not a fan of the game warcraft in the "you attack this" and "build a house" mode. But in a mmorpg it looks great. My guess is that these game will be very similar and i think its gonna be whoever is purchased first will be used by that person. EQ has a famous name but WOW is getting a lot of great reviews along woth EQ. Its a hard desicion but i think i might try out the WOW over eq2 just because ive seen eq at friends houses and wanna see something a bit different. Its gonna be a tough race.

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FuLL_CLiP · June 2004

arent there more people waiting to play WoW than EQ2, i like WoWs graphics and i like the feel everything gives you......EQ2 just made like a million races and updated the graphics

WoW comes from an already established game with a plot so it should have pleanty of charcter immersion

i dont believe im biased, i went to both EQ and WoW sites and forums......WoW feels and looks cooler and WoW doesnt seem to have a bunch of angry EQ nerds

PLH2034 · June 2004

LOL

No need to explain any reasons to you since you are obviously biased.

I will say I plan to try both games and choose from there since i am not in either beta. Maybe just maybe most people are like me and will buy WOW chiefly because its going to be on the shelf first.

I will also buy Dark and Light, Guild Wars, Ultima X and any other MMORPGs that allow me to have fun and are better than whatever i am playing when they come out. Most new games allow a free trial period or demo version so you can play a bit before purchase so why not taste a bit of all of them and see what flavor suits you?

Why does it always have to be WOW vs. EQ? This vs. that is very closed minded IMO. So DON'T BE A SHEEP! FIGHT THE POWER! (and all that stuff)

ramadin · June 2004

Well lets see, EQ2 has graphics that cant even be run on full on any machine availiable on the market. THis means that the engine wont be outdated anytime soon. WoW however already has outdated graphics. I know its not only about graphics but hell, at least TRY to keep up.

My money is on EQ2

EQ2 EQ2

Laying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuck is my roof?

Sputniik · June 2004

Graphics: WOW > EQ2

In truth I'm not crazy about either. Linage2 graphics pwn both. But WOW has awesome environment design while EQ2 characters look like plastic puppets.

Customer Service: WOW > EQ2

We've all heard by now horror stories of SOE. My bet is on Blizzard for this one.

Game Mechanics: EQ2 > WOW

EQ2 looks to have far more features than WOW. Blizzard stuffed WOW with quests and more quests but not much else. And don't get me started on the resting system... blech.

Design Philosophy: EQ2 > WOW

This is what it really comes down to for me. I don't really care about lots of fixed content. I like innovative and interesting game systems where the fun comes from interacting within that system. Blizzard has approched WOW like a single-player game, carefully trying to craft players' experience. First lesson in MMO design: do not try to control the experiences of a mass of 2000+ ... it can never end well.

EQ2 seems to have a right mixture of control and freedom for players, and that's where i'm putting my hopes on for my next MMO.

yuuzahn · June 2004

First off, let me say that EQ2 is going to be better than WoW. First of all, look at the experience of the crew... EQ obvious, most succesful (Western) MMORPG. Blizzard, a giant handful of great single player, or small group, games. The graphics in EQ2 seem to me to be more advanced by far, I just don't like cartoons. The customization and role playing possibilities seem to be greater in EQ2 by far. I'm not in the beta so I don't really know anything beyond what I've read. Finalyl the EQ fan base is ready for the long haul.... Blizzard has a bunch of people that are fans, but not MMORPG fans. There ya go my 2 cp. ::::28::

Orcc · June 2004

Originally posted by Ashanor

" its EQ2 for me, i USED to be interested in WoW. But then i noticed, there is just so much more in EQ2. More than WoW would have even if it had 5 expansions. EQ2 is like a real world, its so immersive, you could lose yourself in it and actually believe you are there. "

I seriously doubt you have even played WoW. How would you even know how much "more" EQ2 would have? I doubt you have played either of them as a matter of fact. Come back when you speak from expierence. I doubt even in EQ2's dreams it could launch with as much content as WoW will have 5 expansions from now. I seriously doubt EQ2 will even be able to keep up with World of Warcrafts content on release day, much less 5 expansions down the road.

Of course, your just a mindless EQ fanboy. You will believe anything Sony tells you. They could say they have dancing dragons and you could fly in EQ2 and you would believe it. Not because they actually have it, but because "they will". lol

Anyway, if you enjoy models with way to many polygons and horrible textures then EQ2 is the game for you. I would really love to see a epic style raid in EQ2. lol I imagine it would go about like this: Freeze - Unfreeze - Freeze - Unfreeze - I can't move, lagggggg - Unfreeze - Freeze - Unfreeze.

Wow... you go around calling people EQ fanboys and believe anythign that SOE says, when you sound like the biggest Bliz/WC fanboy ive ever seen. Also please explain how EQ2s supperior texture quality are worse than WoWs which are very low res textures with no bump mapping and no advanced pixel shading. And for some reason you feel a high number of ploygons is a bad thing?! Maybe the gaming industry isnt for you since graphics are always aiming to be bigger and better, more polygons, higher res textures, shaders and all that other stuff... I like WoWs graphics but even im not ignorant enough to say that WoW has better textures and that high poly counts is a bad thing.

And before you criticize me for being an EQ2 fanboy ill say this, niether of these games interest me, i personally prefer UXO, similar 'cartoony' look as WoW but better textures and character models, much more innovative gameplay and the quest system and combat system are by far the best that have ever been done in a MMORPG.

FuLL_CLiP · June 2004

i guess in this situation u just have to trust your gut

iv played SWG and planetside so iv experienced SOE before, iv never played everquest iv only seen it at friends houses, the fact is these two games have a very differerent view on FANTASY and u have to decide which view is better for you, im going with WoW because im trusting my gut and i dont have the money to buy every game and try them, by all the polls and applications it seems WoW is gonna have the most people playing it, i dont see many EQ fans unless they come to the WoW forum to change peoples minds

WoW and Guild Wars cause its free, those are the two im getting

skybug · June 2004

I will confine my opinion only to info I did go through.

So here goes.

WoW hype-meter has 1000 comments to EQII's 780+ish. I guess those extra couple hundred people are the Mac users. javascript:insertemote(' ::::35:: ');

ramadin · June 2004

Sheesh I bet 30% of the WoW people dont even realize theres a monthy fee. They prolly think its on battlenet. Man Im not looking forward to battlenets leftovers either. /shudder

Laying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuck is my roof?

FuLL_CLiP · June 2004

u just proved my point that more people want WoW, but u know what ill give u some credit i bet most of those hype ratings were made by angry EQ fans who are trying to lower the hype on WoW

as everybody can now see, uv stopped insulting the game and are now insulting its players because ur an angry EQ fan.........the fact is that WoW will be a better game

SO WHY DONT U EQ WHORES GO ONSULT WOW ON YOUR OWN FORUM..........sheesh u try to be a fair guy but u guys just dont know how to discuss without insulting

ramadin · June 2004

Doesnt really matter what the hype is. The hype on SWG was off the charts... and it sucked. EQ2 will own all other MMORPG's. WoW' s graphics are too cartoonish for me. I think WoW will be a good game, but hell, all you gotta do is look at some EQ2 screenshots.

Laying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuck is my roof?

Nah_yo · June 2004

I still don't really know why I wanna choose WoW... but mainly because I know more about it and I like all Blizzard games. "Everquest" has never really appealed to me because of Everquest 1 and the things I heard about it. I do believe though, that EQ will be better the second time because... well its the second time they've made the same game right? How could it not improve? I don't have beta for either game but I'm really hoping to get WoW beta this next push, or EQ2 from this sites contest

I just hope its WoW, beacuse I don't want to spend an extra 200 dollars upgrading my computer to run it smoothly! I just hope WoW turns out the way all their other games do, Perfect!

Edit: I would think it to be quite odd if you didn't know about the monthly fee for WoW... but if you don't... there is, and its probably not going to be any less than EQ2.

-Nahyo-

Ed-E · June 2004

I wouldn't go to EQ2 because of several reasons. The 1st being........

Graphics. I've seen a lot of SS, and for some reason, they all look crappy. Even ones in magazines like PCG where some race looks all retarded. They have these huge heads, and small bodies. Im not talkin about FFXI style (tarus), im talking worse.

2nd reason is because of SOE. I've had bad experiences with them, be it in SWG or regular EQ.

WoW looks so much better and after their reputation of making really good games, its no doubt that WoW will be just as good.

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