I think all that proves is that people in Asian countries are more willing to waste large quantities of time on games. A lot of their games are extemely time consuming and I've yet to hear of an American who played a game so long they died from it. It's also a matter of taste. Both countries are differnt cultures and like differnt things. The Asian market is bigger so obviously the games they play should have more subscribers. The western made games appeal to people in the west and are made to do so. That means we generally will like them better then Asian MMOs just like they will like the Asian made games better because it has more of their culture in it.
That's ironic, considering there has just been multiple topics discussing an addiction to WoW and MMO's aswell as an american kid crying because he cant continue playing. I don't think it has much to do with their culture being in the game, but rather the ability to just go off and grind by yourself to improve your character's strength, where as in western MMO's you're forced into groups and socializing more. I also think that the western market is more suited for PvE'rs then it is for PvP. Granted Eastern MMO's have alot of mob killing, but the actual game is designed and made around the PvP concept of the game.
Thats true though from what I've read about Asian MMOers is that they really take their games seriously. I believe they were the first to beat Onyxia in World of Warcraft and are many times the first to to things. They appear to take things to another level regarding amount of time played. World of Warcraft is meant to be a MMO for Casual people. Asian's don't make casual games generally and for the most part they don't seem to include a lot of quests. I agree all MMOs have players who are addicted weather it be western or eastern, but Asian seems to have the worst problems as as you can see there are more people into games in Asian.
(Ok I might sound a little stupid here but this is my opinion only)
I don't think it's a matter of playing longer but rather asians having more skill when it comes to gaming, this is what I believe and you can agree to disagree.
(Ohkay)
When it comes to the amount of time spent playing it really comes down to something simple that most people might not be aware of. The main reason for easterners choosing grind based games over questing games, such as WoW and EQ, is because they would rather just sit at a spot and grind for a few hours then waste time (in their opinion) reading silly quests. Both methods actually take around the same amount of time to complete but where you'll find the grind is longer is when the level cap is higher then most other games.That doesn't sound good to me. It may be smarter if all you care about is being the best in the game first, but if you actually care about being entertained then you enjoy having a reason to kill things. It's true Americans aren't as competative these days. Perhaps we just don't see the need to advance. A lot of us are content and do see any need to compete. I actually think competition as a whole brings out the worst in people.
So let me get this right your saying... what we've been saying about our young and people in power.... we are giving up in games and life......
I may be way off here but are you saying American's have given up on life
did I miss the memo
Dam TPS reporsts Theres a differnce between giving up and being content. I think it's great to learn new things if you really want to do it and want to use it to better mankind, but if you don't want to do it and are just doing it so you can say I'm the smartest or I'm the best then it's just selfishness. I hope one day we can all realize that competition isn't needed. What is needed is for us all to work together and support eachother when needed. There is no need for killing, violence, and competition with eachother.
Ok im lost
What?
I don't think... err I never said anything about Asian's wanting to be competitive or you need to be in games?
and um im still confussed here about what you are saying.....
I think you are saying something like this
"whats the point, someone else will do it"Most countries that force learning to that extent are trying to advance and become more powerful. Thats okay, but as I said in the end hopefully we all realize that doesn't need to be done. We can advance at a slower pace and all live happy lives if we all put our selfishness aside. Being intelligent with techonlogy doesn't necessarily make someone a good person.
This post finally went back to normal and you started this all up again
For one! are you in Green Peace and two America is one of the lead counties and lack of popultion control and techonlogies to do so...
you are saying what ive been saying to your replys... please read my replys and realize you are saying the same thing over and over again (jk) but for real?
This world has been built of Death and the leading cause of all wars has been religion.... you have to simply understand there can never be peace amoung anyone... not all minds can share the same thought.... our civilation (the world) is and was built on blood shed... its like watching asking a Spartan... hey fight with my flower...
OMG IM TRAILING OFF
IM DONT WITH THIS POST FOR EVER LATER EVERYONE
I'm going to stop because I don't understand what you are saying and I don't think you unsderstand what I'm saying because I have no clue what is green peace or what population control has to do with the comments I made.
Okay now I know what green peace is. I knew about the glaciers melting, but I didn't know that term was used to describe it. Either way I still don't understand what that has to do with what I said.
Asians as a whole are masochists when it comes to MMO gameplay. Only the most jaded hardcore elitists from America or Europe could enjoy an Asian MMO.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Asians as a whole are masochists when it comes to MMO gameplay. Only the most jaded hardcore elitists from America or Europe could enjoy an Asian MMO.
I think you said it right there. A lot of Asian games are made as competitions. Who can get to the top first. Who can get the best gear first. Who is the best at PvP. This is true in Western games to, but they are more based around storyline/quests and having fun. Most of the people who are addicted to MMOs in the west are the ones that are very competative and do a lot of raiding. The rest of us just take a casual pace and enjoy the storyline. We don't worry about direct competion with the rest of the players in the game.
Asians as a whole are masochists when it comes to MMO gameplay. Only the most jaded hardcore elitists from America or Europe could enjoy an Asian MMO.
I think you said it right there. A lot of Asian games are made as competitions. Who can get to the top first. Who can get the best gear first. Who is the best at PvP. This is true in Western games to, but they are more based around storyline/quests and having fun. Most of the people who are addicted to MMOs in the west are the ones that are very competative and do a lot of raiding. The rest of us just take a casual pace and enjoy the storyline. We don't worry about direct competion with the rest of the players in the game.
You mean like raiding to get hte best armor so you can be the strongest.....
99.00001% of the time I dont know what im saying 99.99% of the time I know I spelled the word wrong or repeated a sentence.. I did it so you can better your grammar 100.00% of the time if to many people post after my post very mad ill most likely with a 5% chance saying something like ....""
100.00% of the time I lack sleep and magical things come out of my head and type my posts for me? Please yell at the magical things not me... I am but a puppet
I think all that proves is that people in Asian countries are more willing to waste large quantities of time on games. A lot of their games are extemely time consuming and I've yet to hear of an American who played a game so long they died from it. It's also a matter of taste. Both countries are differnt cultures and like differnt things. The Asian market is bigger so obviously the games they play should have more subscribers. The western made games appeal to people in the west and are made to do so. That means we generally will like them better then Asian MMOs just like they will like the Asian made games better because it has more of their culture in it.
That's ironic, considering there has just been multiple topics discussing an addiction to WoW and MMO's aswell as an american kid crying because he cant continue playing. I don't think it has much to do with their culture being in the game, but rather the ability to just go off and grind by yourself to improve your character's strength, where as in western MMO's you're forced into groups and socializing more. I also think that the western market is more suited for PvE'rs then it is for PvP. Granted Eastern MMO's have alot of mob killing, but the actual game is designed and made around the PvP concept of the game.
Thats true though from what I've read about Asian MMOers is that they really take their games seriously. I believe they were the first to beat Onyxia in World of Warcraft and are many times the first to to things. They appear to take things to another level regarding amount of time played. World of Warcraft is meant to be a MMO for Casual people. Asian's don't make casual games generally and for the most part they don't seem to include a lot of quests. I agree all MMOs have players who are addicted weather it be western or eastern, but Asian seems to have the worst problems as as you can see there are more people into games in Asian.
(Ok I might sound a little stupid here but this is my opinion only)
I don't think it's a matter of playing longer but rather asians having more skill when it comes to gaming, this is what I believe and you can agree to disagree.
(Ohkay)
When it comes to the amount of time spent playing it really comes down to something simple that most people might not be aware of. The main reason for easterners choosing grind based games over questing games, such as WoW and EQ, is because they would rather just sit at a spot and grind for a few hours then waste time (in their opinion) reading silly quests. Both methods actually take around the same amount of time to complete but where you'll find the grind is longer is when the level cap is higher then most other games.That doesn't sound good to me. It may be smarter if all you care about is being the best in the game first, but if you actually care about being entertained then you enjoy having a reason to kill things. It's true Americans aren't as competative these days. Perhaps we just don't see the need to advance. A lot of us are content and do see any need to compete. I actually think competition as a whole brings out the worst in people.
So let me get this right your saying... what we've been saying about our young and people in power.... we are giving up in games and life......
I may be way off here but are you saying American's have given up on life
did I miss the memo
Dam TPS reporsts Theres a differnce between giving up and being content. I think it's great to learn new things if you really want to do it and want to use it to better mankind, but if you don't want to do it and are just doing it so you can say I'm the smartest or I'm the best then it's just selfishness. I hope one day we can all realize that competition isn't needed. What is needed is for us all to work together and support eachother when needed. There is no need for killing, violence, and competition with eachother.
Ok im lost
What?
I don't think... err I never said anything about Asian's wanting to be competitive or you need to be in games?
and um im still confussed here about what you are saying.....
I think you are saying something like this
"whats the point, someone else will do it"Most countries that force learning to that extent are trying to advance and become more powerful. Thats okay, but as I said in the end hopefully we all realize that doesn't need to be done. We can advance at a slower pace and all live happy lives if we all put our selfishness aside. Being intelligent with techonlogy doesn't necessarily make someone a good person.
This post finally went back to normal and you started this all up again
For one! are you in Green Peace and two America is one of the lead counties and lack of popultion control and techonlogies to do so...
you are saying what ive been saying to your replys... please read my replys and realize you are saying the same thing over and over again (jk) but for real?
This world has been built of Death and the leading cause of all wars has been religion.... you have to simply understand there can never be peace amoung anyone... not all minds can share the same thought.... our civilation (the world) is and was built on blood shed... its like watching asking a Spartan... hey fight with my flower...
OMG IM TRAILING OFF
IM DONT WITH THIS POST FOR EVER LATER EVERYONE
I'm going to stop because I don't understand what you are saying and I don't think you unsderstand what I'm saying because I have no clue what is green peace or what population control has to do with the comments I made.
Okay now I know what green peace is. I knew about the glaciers melting, but I didn't know that term was used to describe it. Either way I still don't understand what that has to do with what I said.
You and me both brother
99.00001% of the time I dont know what im saying 99.99% of the time I know I spelled the word wrong or repeated a sentence.. I did it so you can better your grammar 100.00% of the time if to many people post after my post very mad ill most likely with a 5% chance saying something like ....""
100.00% of the time I lack sleep and magical things come out of my head and type my posts for me? Please yell at the magical things not me... I am but a puppet
Something tells me this has gone way off topic. How did this garbage get to 25 pages. WoW pwns this or This pwns WoW threads don't even get nearly this long to often anymore. edit. FFS, Excuse me 27 pages! Geeze......
its because of me and Flyte27 I think and the mass amounts of Quotes.... Quotes are so much fun love the quoteshate the poster
thats a good saying like, dont hate the game hate the player
99.00001% of the time I dont know what im saying 99.99% of the time I know I spelled the word wrong or repeated a sentence.. I did it so you can better your grammar 100.00% of the time if to many people post after my post very mad ill most likely with a 5% chance saying something like ....""
100.00% of the time I lack sleep and magical things come out of my head and type my posts for me? Please yell at the magical things not me... I am but a puppet
Something tells me this has gone way off topic. How did this garbage get to 25 pages. WoW pwns this or This pwns WoW threads don't even get nearly this long to often anymore. edit. FFS, Excuse me 27 pages! Geeze......
its because of me and Flyte27 I think and the mass amounts of Quotes.... Quotes are so much fun love the quoteshate the poster
thats a good saying like, dont hate the game hate the playerHow can you hate me when I don't even know you lol.
This thread stopped talking about the game a long time ago apparently, but I clicked on the thread to discuss the game so here I go. :P
So, I've played Grenada Espada / Sword of the New World for about a week, while I must say it has some interesting ideas (multi-character control), and it's actually quite fun at times, it does indeed suffer for not being made for a western audience. It's not bad at first but becomes extraordinarily grindy. I've just been pounding away the last couple days trying to get my musketeers to level 24 so I can =finally= use some different stances and weapon types, and it looks like it'll take another couple days just to get from 22 to 24.
The website makes you think you have a ton of options for every character, because they list so many different stances, but in fact there's only one stance available at first. You have to get to levels 16 or 24 or much higher in order to unlock a couple of the other stances, which will take several days of work on any given character. Even though there is supposedly PvP and a war over colonies, you really have to sign over your life to get to the high levels.
The game is very actiony, you really do take on huge amounts of enemies. The respawn rate is very high so I'd say half the enemies I've killed so far have spawned right on top of me as I was moving through their territory. I'd say that's an example of how the developers have left many rough spots that break any chance of immersion, but are not very annoying once you get used to them.
I really can't say anything about Korean gamers, I don't know enough to make any generalizations, but I've known a lot of Korean MMORPGs. There's definite trends, traditions, and assumptions that go with an MMORPG developed for that nation's consumption in mind-- it really shows in Grenada Espada, with the largely undirected play focused mainly on killing enemies for hours and hours on end, and the extreme amount of work that is required to unlock new content. But you also get the good with the bad, and there's some good things here too; very slick art and graphics, lots of special effects going off, widely varied areas and monsters, interesting classes and abilities and such..
re: Royspi -- for all its flaws, it actually IS a lot of fun. It's a game I'd recommend that someone try. It'll just test you once you level into the teens and advancement starts to REALLY slow down. I don't think I'll stick with it personally.
There is a reason some mmos never come out here. Same reason why a crowd of British people might find a joke stupid while we are all busting up laughing. Cultures are quite differnt, fascinating stuff really.
Granado Espada is fun but you can expect the same thing from it as with other Asian MMOs. Grindy Grind Grind Grind! Although I really like the female models in the game. Very nice.
Granado Espada is fun but you can expect the same thing from it as with other Asian MMOs. Grindy Grind Grind Grind! Although I really like the female models in the game. Very nice.
Right... because we all know western MMO's don't have a grind to them. It's only Eastern/Asian MMO's right? Maybe you play some super secret western MMO's that we don't know about yet?
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
I know all MMOs have grinds, but some take it to another level. Also some don't even bother with quests/story or solo content at all. I think we should just stop with the whole Asian vs West topic. It's all a matter of personal taste and yet it just keeps going on and on.
Well i tryed GE and had 3 lv 35 ( scout , fighter , musketer ) and i had some fun exploring the game !!! I don't think it will kill AOC or WOW because the game feel like a solo one. You don't have time to talk in chat while hunting at higher level because you have to use your skill ... before the 1 million mob kill u lol !
Everyone look the same ... I don't think that s good new for Western people !!!
The game will go F2P probably with item shop and thats something Americain ..............
Some people said it was grind grind and grind but you actually level pretty fast , about 1 level every hour easy after 10 -20 , after that it take just a bit more time. People saying that it take time ( well stop to use the auto attack skill on lower level ) and go kill mob the same level and higher then yourself while using your skill to kill faster.
I had fun trying challenging combo , like 3 musketers together is very fun !
I think GE will be a good 2nd game but not the main one !!!
Sorry for my 5 years old english , our french professor go 3 week learn English and can come back teaching you english !!!!
Only read up to page 4, but thought I'd chime in anyway.
Played the beta for GE, it was ok.
The best thing was the music though, really great soundtrack.
The game is clearly made for the korean market. My understanding is that the most popular game in korea is starcraft. GE was clearly based off of RTS gameplay. If anything this game will get new players into mmos from the RTS market.
Sadly the most fun I had playing this game was going to make a sandwich, and comeing back to see i'd gained a level.
Definitly not for everyone, and probably not for the people looking forward to AoC or WAR.
I think the game that has the best chance of upstaging War and AoC is Pirates of the Burning Sea.
I am betting ppl will realize that War is just a plug and chug of WoW with DaoC RvR. I don't see anything fresh about this other than trying to make grinding less boring by making quests repeatable and mostly about killing the other faction but personally I think it will end up being boring. It just seems as though this game is just trying to fix WoW's PvP issues but, like I said before, there is nothing we haven't seen before here. Just because you paint an elf a different color doesn't mean he stops being an elf.
Age of Conan I personally think is better than War as they are trying to make combat more interesting but I think the fantasy setting will cause it to be a bit boring as well. Although eventually it seems as though the primary emphasis on City vs City combat might break down into just allout City-State war where no one is safe which might add some fun, but I think it might just become frustrating because of the amount of gankage that will most likely if not definetly occur. I don't see much storyline development as it appears as though most of the time and effort is going into just the full on brawl the end game is shaping up to be. It might be fun but I think it might cause newer players to be put off as they are constantly harassed by hordes making it a must to travel in groups making the single player aspect nearly futile. Of course this game shouldn't have problems with a fanbase at launch unless Pirates is launched long enough before it to generate enough hype with game reviews and feedback to draw from the AoC crowd.
I see Pirates giving balance between End-Game RvR and questing/storys as RvR is kept to areas of contention which might some hardcore PvPers mad but if they want PvPing that much all they need do is simply go to a Contention Spot and start shooting. I also like the fact with Pirates that there are 2 distinct styles of actual gameplay in the sense that on one hand you have your Ship and the other you have your actual Avatar. They also have ship boarding... let's face it who here honestly doesn't want to board a ship, kill everything on board, and keep the loot all for himself! With 1000 missions for each faction at this point and an expansion of the starting towns as far as quests and content to give you a more in-depth launch I see Pirates overall Focus on obtaining a truly polished launch as giving them enough momentum to generate enough hype that hopefully some of the AoC and War diehards will at least try this game. Another Plus is that because of its lack of Elves and the like Pirates is what I would call a breath of fresh air in a stagnant world of Fantasy MMOs. That might also make the difference. My only worry is that the Launch of this title might come too close to AoC that those who have been waiting for AoC but want to try a game inbetween will not try it as it is now too close to AoC. The best Launch time for this title would be September or they will have to battle AoC for launch gamers. Unless AoC is pushed back to Q4 2007/ Q1 2008 but if I were FLS I wouldn't be placing any bets on this unless they are damn sure this game is going to be considered Game of the Year by many sites and that title will generate enough hype and they have insider info that AoC is being pushed back. Although this game in and of itself should do perfectly fine and if it is as good as I think it will be then it will gain members as it progresses and words spreads about a good pirate MMO.
I watched this Korean trailer and it looks like FF11 but nothing we haven't seen before and because no hype is actually being generated it won't be downing any Wars or AoC.
My personal picks for best overall -
1st - Pirates of the Burning Sea
2nd - Age of Conan
3rd - Warhammer Online
4th - Korean Game (which I only really included to be fair to the topic starter)
Remember! These are just my opinions of content shown so far and are in no way the end all be all of these games. If you don't like what I have said about the game you want don't worry what I said here isn't going to change your mind about the game you are going to get so please don't flame me because you don't agree with me.
Granado Espada has great graphics, gameplay, system, sound effects and soundtrack. Granado Espada will make Age of Conan and Warhammer Online run for its money! I think Korean's know how to make the best looking MMO's bar none!
Gameplay is basically Dungeon Siege or Guild Wars.
Sound Effects? Uhm, did you hear their footsteps? Sounded like someone tapping their fingernails on a table.
Soundtrack is good, but soundtracks are a dime a dozen for originality and once you've played a game long enough, soundtracks become more annoying then anything.
I don't think the gameplay is like Guild Wars. GE's gameplay is more like a korean MMO. lol
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Thats true though from what I've read about Asian MMOers is that they really take their games seriously. I believe they were the first to beat Onyxia in World of Warcraft and are many times the first to to things. They appear to take things to another level regarding amount of time played. World of Warcraft is meant to be a MMO for Casual people. Asian's don't make casual games generally and for the most part they don't seem to include a lot of quests. I agree all MMOs have players who are addicted weather it be western or eastern, but Asian seems to have the worst problems as as you can see there are more people into games in Asian.
(Ok I might sound a little stupid here but this is my opinion only)
I don't think it's a matter of playing longer but rather asians having more skill when it comes to gaming, this is what I believe and you can agree to disagree.
(Ohkay)
When it comes to the amount of time spent playing it really comes down to something simple that most people might not be aware of. The main reason for easterners choosing grind based games over questing games, such as WoW and EQ, is because they would rather just sit at a spot and grind for a few hours then waste time (in their opinion) reading silly quests. Both methods actually take around the same amount of time to complete but where you'll find the grind is longer is when the level cap is higher then most other games.That doesn't sound good to me. It may be smarter if all you care about is being the best in the game first, but if you actually care about being entertained then you enjoy having a reason to kill things. It's true Americans aren't as competative these days. Perhaps we just don't see the need to advance. A lot of us are content and do see any need to compete. I actually think competition as a whole brings out the worst in people.
So let me get this right your saying... what we've been saying about our young and people in power.... we are giving up in games and life......
I may be way off here but are you saying American's have given up on life
did I miss the memo
Dam TPS reporsts
Ok im lost
What?
I don't think... err I never said anything about Asian's wanting to be competitive or you need to be in games?
and um im still confussed here about what you are saying.....
I think you are saying something like this
"whats the point, someone else will do it"Most countries that force learning to that extent are trying to advance and become more powerful. Thats okay, but as I said in the end hopefully we all realize that doesn't need to be done. We can advance at a slower pace and all live happy lives if we all put our selfishness aside. Being intelligent with techonlogy doesn't necessarily make someone a good person.
This post finally went back to normal and you started this all up again
For one! are you in Green Peace and two America is one of the lead counties and lack of popultion control and techonlogies to do so...
you are saying what ive been saying to your replys... please read my replys and realize you are saying the same thing over and over again
This world has been built of Death and the leading cause of all wars has been religion.... you have to simply understand there can never be peace amoung anyone... not all minds can share the same thought.... our civilation (the world) is and was built on blood shed... its like watching asking a Spartan... hey fight with my flower...
OMG IM TRAILING OFF
IM DONT WITH THIS POST FOR EVER LATER EVERYONE
I'm going to stop because I don't understand what you are saying and I don't think you unsderstand what I'm saying because I have no clue what is green peace or what population control has to do with the comments I made.
Okay now I know what green peace is. I knew about the glaciers melting, but I didn't know that term was used to describe it. Either way I still don't understand what that has to do with what I said.
aahhhh....not.
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Asians as a whole are masochists when it comes to MMO gameplay. Only the most jaded hardcore elitists from America or Europe could enjoy an Asian MMO.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I think you said it right there. A lot of Asian games are made as competitions. Who can get to the top first. Who can get the best gear first. Who is the best at PvP. This is true in Western games to, but they are more based around storyline/quests and having fun. Most of the people who are addicted to MMOs in the west are the ones that are very competative and do a lot of raiding. The rest of us just take a casual pace and enjoy the storyline. We don't worry about direct competion with the rest of the players in the game.
I think you said it right there. A lot of Asian games are made as competitions. Who can get to the top first. Who can get the best gear first. Who is the best at PvP. This is true in Western games to, but they are more based around storyline/quests and having fun. Most of the people who are addicted to MMOs in the west are the ones that are very competative and do a lot of raiding. The rest of us just take a casual pace and enjoy the storyline. We don't worry about direct competion with the rest of the players in the game.
You mean like raiding to get hte best armor so you can be the strongest.....99.00001% of the time I dont know what im saying
99.99% of the time I know I spelled the word wrong or repeated a sentence.. I did it so you can better your grammar
100.00% of the time if to many people post after my post very mad ill most likely with a 5% chance saying something like ....""
100.00% of the time I lack sleep and magical things come out of my head and type my posts for me? Please yell at the magical things not me... I am but a puppet
Thats true though from what I've read about Asian MMOers is that they really take their games seriously. I believe they were the first to beat Onyxia in World of Warcraft and are many times the first to to things. They appear to take things to another level regarding amount of time played. World of Warcraft is meant to be a MMO for Casual people. Asian's don't make casual games generally and for the most part they don't seem to include a lot of quests. I agree all MMOs have players who are addicted weather it be western or eastern, but Asian seems to have the worst problems as as you can see there are more people into games in Asian.
(Ok I might sound a little stupid here but this is my opinion only)
I don't think it's a matter of playing longer but rather asians having more skill when it comes to gaming, this is what I believe and you can agree to disagree.
(Ohkay)
When it comes to the amount of time spent playing it really comes down to something simple that most people might not be aware of. The main reason for easterners choosing grind based games over questing games, such as WoW and EQ, is because they would rather just sit at a spot and grind for a few hours then waste time (in their opinion) reading silly quests. Both methods actually take around the same amount of time to complete but where you'll find the grind is longer is when the level cap is higher then most other games.That doesn't sound good to me. It may be smarter if all you care about is being the best in the game first, but if you actually care about being entertained then you enjoy having a reason to kill things. It's true Americans aren't as competative these days. Perhaps we just don't see the need to advance. A lot of us are content and do see any need to compete. I actually think competition as a whole brings out the worst in people.
So let me get this right your saying... what we've been saying about our young and people in power.... we are giving up in games and life......
I may be way off here but are you saying American's have given up on life
did I miss the memo
Dam TPS reporsts
Ok im lost
What?
I don't think... err I never said anything about Asian's wanting to be competitive or you need to be in games?
and um im still confussed here about what you are saying.....
I think you are saying something like this
"whats the point, someone else will do it"Most countries that force learning to that extent are trying to advance and become more powerful. Thats okay, but as I said in the end hopefully we all realize that doesn't need to be done. We can advance at a slower pace and all live happy lives if we all put our selfishness aside. Being intelligent with techonlogy doesn't necessarily make someone a good person.
This post finally went back to normal and you started this all up again
For one! are you in Green Peace and two America is one of the lead counties and lack of popultion control and techonlogies to do so...
you are saying what ive been saying to your replys... please read my replys and realize you are saying the same thing over and over again
This world has been built of Death and the leading cause of all wars has been religion.... you have to simply understand there can never be peace amoung anyone... not all minds can share the same thought.... our civilation (the world) is and was built on blood shed... its like watching asking a Spartan... hey fight with my flower...
OMG IM TRAILING OFF
IM DONT WITH THIS POST FOR EVER LATER EVERYONE
I'm going to stop because I don't understand what you are saying and I don't think you unsderstand what I'm saying because I have no clue what is green peace or what population control has to do with the comments I made.
Okay now I know what green peace is. I knew about the glaciers melting, but I didn't know that term was used to describe it. Either way I still don't understand what that has to do with what I said.
You and me both brother99.00001% of the time I dont know what im saying
99.99% of the time I know I spelled the word wrong or repeated a sentence.. I did it so you can better your grammar
100.00% of the time if to many people post after my post very mad ill most likely with a 5% chance saying something like ....""
100.00% of the time I lack sleep and magical things come out of my head and type my posts for me? Please yell at the magical things not me... I am but a puppet
thats a good saying like, dont hate the game hate the player
99.00001% of the time I dont know what im saying
99.99% of the time I know I spelled the word wrong or repeated a sentence.. I did it so you can better your grammar
100.00% of the time if to many people post after my post very mad ill most likely with a 5% chance saying something like ....""
100.00% of the time I lack sleep and magical things come out of my head and type my posts for me? Please yell at the magical things not me... I am but a puppet
thats a good saying like, dont hate the game hate the playerHow can you hate me when I don't even know you lol.
So, I've played Grenada Espada / Sword of the New World for about a week, while I must say it has some interesting ideas (multi-character control), and it's actually quite fun at times, it does indeed suffer for not being made for a western audience. It's not bad at first but becomes extraordinarily grindy. I've just been pounding away the last couple days trying to get my musketeers to level 24 so I can =finally= use some different stances and weapon types, and it looks like it'll take another couple days just to get from 22 to 24.
The website makes you think you have a ton of options for every character, because they list so many different stances, but in fact there's only one stance available at first. You have to get to levels 16 or 24 or much higher in order to unlock a couple of the other stances, which will take several days of work on any given character. Even though there is supposedly PvP and a war over colonies, you really have to sign over your life to get to the high levels.
The game is very actiony, you really do take on huge amounts of enemies. The respawn rate is very high so I'd say half the enemies I've killed so far have spawned right on top of me as I was moving through their territory. I'd say that's an example of how the developers have left many rough spots that break any chance of immersion, but are not very annoying once you get used to them.
I really can't say anything about Korean gamers, I don't know enough to make any generalizations, but I've known a lot of Korean MMORPGs. There's definite trends, traditions, and assumptions that go with an MMORPG developed for that nation's consumption in mind-- it really shows in Grenada Espada, with the largely undirected play focused mainly on killing enemies for hours and hours on end, and the extreme amount of work that is required to unlock new content. But you also get the good with the bad, and there's some good things here too; very slick art and graphics, lots of special effects going off, widely varied areas and monsters, interesting classes and abilities and such..
re: Royspi -- for all its flaws, it actually IS a lot of fun. It's a game I'd recommend that someone try. It'll just test you once you level into the teens and advancement starts to REALLY slow down. I don't think I'll stick with it personally.
There is a reason some mmos never come out here. Same reason why a crowd of British people might find a joke stupid while we are all busting up laughing. Cultures are quite differnt, fascinating stuff really.
that said I think GE looks fun.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
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Everyone look the same ... I don't think that s good new for Western people !!!
The game will go F2P probably with item shop and thats something Americain ..............
Some people said it was grind grind and grind but you actually level pretty fast , about 1 level every hour easy after 10 -20 , after that it take just a bit more time. People saying that it take time ( well stop to use the auto attack skill on lower level ) and go kill mob the same level and higher then yourself while using your skill to kill faster.
I had fun trying challenging combo , like 3 musketers together is very fun !
I think GE will be a good 2nd game but not the main one !!!
Sorry for my 5 years old english , our french professor go 3 week learn English and can come back teaching you english !!!!
Why do some gamers behave like those sports fans, rooting for one team or another? In my mind, the industry is far more cooperative than competitive.
Bah.
Only read up to page 4, but thought I'd chime in anyway.
Played the beta for GE, it was ok.
The best thing was the music though, really great soundtrack.
The game is clearly made for the korean market. My understanding is that the most popular game in korea is starcraft. GE was clearly based off of RTS gameplay. If anything this game will get new players into mmos from the RTS market.
Sadly the most fun I had playing this game was going to make a sandwich, and comeing back to see i'd gained a level.
Definitly not for everyone, and probably not for the people looking forward to AoC or WAR.
I think the game that has the best chance of upstaging War and AoC is Pirates of the Burning Sea.
I am betting ppl will realize that War is just a plug and chug of WoW with DaoC RvR. I don't see anything fresh about this other than trying to make grinding less boring by making quests repeatable and mostly about killing the other faction but personally I think it will end up being boring. It just seems as though this game is just trying to fix WoW's PvP issues but, like I said before, there is nothing we haven't seen before here. Just because you paint an elf a different color doesn't mean he stops being an elf.
Age of Conan I personally think is better than War as they are trying to make combat more interesting but I think the fantasy setting will cause it to be a bit boring as well. Although eventually it seems as though the primary emphasis on City vs City combat might break down into just allout City-State war where no one is safe which might add some fun, but I think it might just become frustrating because of the amount of gankage that will most likely if not definetly occur. I don't see much storyline development as it appears as though most of the time and effort is going into just the full on brawl the end game is shaping up to be. It might be fun but I think it might cause newer players to be put off as they are constantly harassed by hordes making it a must to travel in groups making the single player aspect nearly futile. Of course this game shouldn't have problems with a fanbase at launch unless Pirates is launched long enough before it to generate enough hype with game reviews and feedback to draw from the AoC crowd.
I see Pirates giving balance between End-Game RvR and questing/storys as RvR is kept to areas of contention which might some hardcore PvPers mad but if they want PvPing that much all they need do is simply go to a Contention Spot and start shooting. I also like the fact with Pirates that there are 2 distinct styles of actual gameplay in the sense that on one hand you have your Ship and the other you have your actual Avatar. They also have ship boarding... let's face it who here honestly doesn't want to board a ship, kill everything on board, and keep the loot all for himself! With 1000 missions for each faction at this point and an expansion of the starting towns as far as quests and content to give you a more in-depth launch I see Pirates overall Focus on obtaining a truly polished launch as giving them enough momentum to generate enough hype that hopefully some of the AoC and War diehards will at least try this game. Another Plus is that because of its lack of Elves and the like Pirates is what I would call a breath of fresh air in a stagnant world of Fantasy MMOs. That might also make the difference. My only worry is that the Launch of this title might come too close to AoC that those who have been waiting for AoC but want to try a game inbetween will not try it as it is now too close to AoC. The best Launch time for this title would be September or they will have to battle AoC for launch gamers. Unless AoC is pushed back to Q4 2007/ Q1 2008 but if I were FLS I wouldn't be placing any bets on this unless they are damn sure this game is going to be considered Game of the Year by many sites and that title will generate enough hype and they have insider info that AoC is being pushed back. Although this game in and of itself should do perfectly fine and if it is as good as I think it will be then it will gain members as it progresses and words spreads about a good pirate MMO.
I watched this Korean trailer and it looks like FF11 but nothing we haven't seen before and because no hype is actually being generated it won't be downing any Wars or AoC.
My personal picks for best overall -
1st - Pirates of the Burning Sea
2nd - Age of Conan
3rd - Warhammer Online
4th - Korean Game (which I only really included to be fair to the topic starter)
Remember! These are just my opinions of content shown so far and are in no way the end all be all of these games. If you don't like what I have said about the game you want don't worry what I said here isn't going to change your mind about the game you are going to get so please don't flame me because you don't agree with me.
- Captain Jack "Black Jack" Drake
Graphics are on par, nothing more.
Gameplay is basically Dungeon Siege or Guild Wars.
Sound Effects? Uhm, did you hear their footsteps? Sounded like someone tapping their fingernails on a table.
Soundtrack is good, but soundtracks are a dime a dozen for originality and once you've played a game long enough, soundtracks become more annoying then anything.
I don't think the gameplay is like Guild Wars. GE's gameplay is more like a korean MMO. lol