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  • area84area84 Member Posts: 335

    Is it just me or do alot of people responding here have their head all the way up their ass? All the people claiming to follow the EULA? I doubt anyone reads the godamn thing, and all the people saying "you shouldve known better" the guy said he didnt, and the reason why you smartasses know is from experience from past MMOs. The guy is new and asked an honest question to find out from experienced people and all you people are doing is bashing him for no absolute reason. He didnt know he was ruining the economy of the game or what gold farmers do I think if you read the post you would know that. I for one absolutely hate gold farming and had to put up with farmers tagging my mobs in wow when i was farming for water essences for crafting and had to put up with their lame advertising and told each one of them to go F themselves and reported them. I think he knows now not to deal with gold farmers but really all that it took is someone to give a proper and fair response not a smartass "you should've known better", I wonder if you knew all about it when you first got in the genre.

    Seriously it saddens me that alot of people are pretty immature and quick to bash the new people, quite the welcoming party.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    I sure hope that every person who has posted here with a "holier-than-thou" attitude towards the OP isn't doing so on a computer full of illegally downloaded music/dvd's, and that every piece of software on it has been bought and paid for.

    But I'm thinking that's not the case for almost 95% of them.... they don't mind cheating the system and only get their panties in a wad when it concerns their gaming.

     

     

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  • SoraellionSoraellion Member UncommonPosts: 558
    Originally posted by Kyleran


    I sure hope that every person who has posted here with a "holier-than-thou" attitude towards the OP isn't doing so on a computer full of illegally downloaded music/dvd's, and that every piece of software on it has been bought and paid for.
    But I'm thinking that's not the case for almost 95% of them.... they don't mind cheating the system and only get their panties in a wad when it concerns their gaming.
     
     



    Perhaps but doing it, or doing it then get caught and start whining about getting caught while blaming everyone but yourself are 2 different things.

  • jnn4vjnn4v Member Posts: 26

    I'm honestly torn on how to respond to this. On one hand, I can remember back to the very first time I played an MMORPG, and I honestly don't know if I would have known any better not to do this except that one of my more experienced friends had already told me not to buy 3rd party items, character levelling, etc. Now "fun of it" arguments aside, this guy may honestly have thought that he was just getting a jump-start on his character, since he has limited time to play. On the other hand, I've now been beta-testing this game for 9 months, and then playing it since launch, and I can tell you that 5 gold is a LOT of money. I've got a level 44 character (50 is the cap) who at no point has ever had that much gold. So if he had played at all before making that transaction, he would clearly have known that this is way outside the scope of a reasonable "boost" and would put him right up there with people who are at or near the level cap in terms of wealth.

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  • NigherisNigheris Member Posts: 70

    Originally posted by area84


    Is it just me or do alot of people responding here have their head all the way up their ass? All the people claiming to follow the EULA? I doubt anyone reads the godamn thing, and all the people saying "you shouldve known better" the guy said he didnt, and the reason why you smartasses know is from experience from past MMOs. The guy is new and asked an honest question to find out from experienced people and all you people are doing is bashing him for no absolute reason. He didnt know he was ruining the economy of the game or what gold farmers do I think if you read the post you would know that. I for one absolutely hate gold farming and had to put up with farmers tagging my mobs in wow when i was farming for water essences for crafting and had to put up with their lame advertising and told each one of them to go F themselves and reported them. I think he knows now not to deal with gold farmers but really all that it took is someone to give a proper and fair response not a smartass "you should've known better", I wonder if you knew all about it when you first got in the genre.
    Seriously it saddens me that alot of people are pretty immature and quick to bash the new people, quite the welcoming party.
    I have to agree 100%... It is one thing to bash a player that has been doing this for years... but a new person, (A SOLDIER of our US ARMY at that) come on... That is like kicking the shit outta the 1st grader that could not multiple 500 x 500, you have to have time to learn it first...

    I hope that they did not perma-ban you, that would be very unfortunate, I was in the Army for 10 years with 4 kids  and my wife was a stay at home Mom, I understand the monetary aspects of your issue as well... Good Luck

    (Will honestly say I read the first 3 pages and skipped to the end, so if you resolved the issue Grats)

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  • DoomsayerDoomsayer Member Posts: 344

    Well, as some have said before, I don't blame Turbine. They are protecting their game. I admire that. You broke the rules.

    That being said, if what you say about your situation is true, or you can sound convincing enough, you should talk to their customer service. At the very least, since they banned you, you deserve some sort of pro-rated reimbursement on your remaining prepayment of game time. I have no idea if they do that though.

    Or just consider it a lesson learned, and move on. I am sure at some point you learned that life isn't fair. And from what you stated, I think they acted harshly. They might agree if they knew your story.

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  • MozinskiMozinski Member Posts: 70

    Originally posted by Nigheris


     
    I have to agree 100%... It is one thing to bash a player that has been doing this for years... but a new person, (A SOLDIER of our US ARMY at that) come on... That is like kicking the shit outta the 1st grader that could not multiple 500 x 500, you have to have time to learn it first...
     
    I hope that they did not perma-ban you, that would be very unfortunate, I was in the Army for 10 years with 4 kids  and my wife was a stay at home Mom, I understand the monetary aspects of your issue as well... Good Luck

    What the person does for a living, or how many kids they have has nothing to do with the fact that he broke the rules and was punished. The EULA is there for a reason. Saying "ah, no one reads that anyways" is not an excuse. I feel sorry the OP is out $100+ or so, but the fact still remains, he broke the rules and deserved what ever punishment Turbine saw fit to give.

  • ElgarethElgareth Member Posts: 588

    Originally posted by deanmuchmore


     I was honestly ignorant when I bought gold from a farmer and now I am banned forever?!  Am I weird for thinking that this is unfair?

    Well most countries feature the:

    "Ignorance does not protect against penalty"-thingy in their Law.

    So maybe you aren't weird, but it certainly was not unfair. You should've informed yourself first if it is legal, and pure logic already forbids it, because the Gold does belong to Turbine, no matter what player character has it at the moment. You are not allowed to sell the PC of your neighbor either, so to speak.

  • iffymackiffymack Member Posts: 376

    Originally posted by keltic1701

    Originally posted by Netspook


     
    Originally posted by keltic1701


    Ok. I'm a little confused about this gold farming thing. So if a prospector collects gold, forges it into ingots and either sells it on the trade channel ot the AH, they are considerd gold farmers?? Or is it the use of bots that make this illegal?? Could some clear this up for me? Thanks.

     

    Using bots = illegal

    Selling in-game stuff (gold, items, powerleveling, etc) for REAL money = illegal

    Selling any items in-game for game currency = legal, as long as you don't farm with bots

    I see... Thanks for clearing that up for me. One other question is how do you know when someone is using a bot?


    theres a lot of good videos made by WoW players about bots and how to spot them,ill try and dig a few up.

    easy to spot once you know the routine,i remember 2 particular bots that hung around a farm in the eastern plaguelands in wow.They'd always be there,no matter what time of the day/night,killing anything that spawned in range and running around in a weird path. Not sure if they ever got banned as I havent played in months,but they were the 2 most blatant on the server.

  • gatherisgatheris Member UncommonPosts: 1,016

    you cheated

    you were banned - good job Turbine

    if only they could catch everyone and do the same - no more farmers but i think quite a few less players to pay their monthly fee

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  • SpeedMannSpeedMann Member UncommonPosts: 333

    Originally posted by deanmuchmore


    I am sorry if you are upset that I started a complain thread but I simply thought this was a matter worth addressing.  The "tough, deal with it" is a response I expected to get but I still am of the mind that if this genre is to grow then the "insiders" should be somewhat more helpful to the "Noobs" and I still feel that a perma-ban which I recieved was an extreme price to pay for being new to the MMO world.
    Im sorry to say that your not going to find many people who like to help. You will find alot of people that like to put people down and give you the impression that they are better then you.

    Try and contact the support team and tell them your story, you might have some luck.

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  • NetspookNetspook Member UncommonPosts: 1,583

    Originally posted by SlickShoes

    Originally posted by Netspook


     
    Originally posted by keltic1701


    Ok. I'm a little confused about this gold farming thing. So if a prospector collects gold, forges it into ingots and either sells it on the trade channel ot the AH, they are considerd gold farmers?? Or is it the use of bots that make this illegal?? Could some clear this up for me? Thanks.

     

    Using bots = illegal

    Selling in-game stuff (gold, items, powerleveling, etc) for REAL money = illegal

    Selling any items in-game for game currency = legal, as long as you don't farm with bots

    It is not Illegal, it is against the terms of the EULA its not against any LAW.

    So why is Blizzard sueing peons4hire, then?

  • Pappy13Pappy13 Member Posts: 2,138
    Originally posted by deanmuchmore


    I am new to the gaming scene but a huge fan of the LOTR books and lore and I decided to get my feet wet with the MMO craze and bought LOTRO.  I also purchased 60 prepaid days for the game and fell in love with the entire genre.  Because of my "newness" I was blissfully unaware of the "Gold Farmer" problem that is prevelant in MMO's and I stupidly purchased a small amount of Gold online (5 gold) and didn't think anything of it.  Well, two days later and I am now banned forever from LOTRO.  I understand now about Gold Farming and Buying from reading forums like this, and I am confused as to how it is good buisness to ban a player for buying gold one time without a warning.  I understand banning Gold Farmers, but I think a caught buyer should get a warning and have his gold confiscated.  I was honestly ignorant when I bought gold from a farmer and now I am banned forever?!  Am I weird for thinking that this is unfair?  I am a US Army soldier and father of 4 and frankly the nearly 100 bucks I shelled out for my game and gametime is a lot of money in my budget and I don't get to spend that kind of cash on myself often, I guess I just want to hear from fellow gamers so I can figure out if I'm crazy or if my argument makes some kind of sense...  Thanks All!



    If what your saying is absolutely 100% true and I mean everything - down to the fact that it was only 5 gold, send an e-mail to Turbine and explain the situation and ask for your account to be reinstated.  It probably won't help, but it's worth a shot and will probably make you feel better.  Turbine does not want to lose customers for something as trivial as purchasing 5 gold, they are going after the big hitters and If you did get caught up in that and Turbine can verify that what you said is true, they might reconsider.  I'm sure Turbine does not want to lose a good customer despite what people say about the big gaming companies.  It's worth a shot. 

    One word of advice though, don't go in with guns blazing and telling them what should and shouldn't be done.  Simply explain that you were unaware that this was against the rules and made a mistake and that it won't happen again.  Add the part about being in the service and having a family and that shelling out 100 bucks for the game.  That's all good, just leave out the part about how they should or shouldn't handle the situation.  All you want is your account reinstated, nothing more.  That's the approach to take.

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  • OdyssesOdysses Member Posts: 581

    Yeah I would say it sucks for you but this post is working exactly how Turbine and the rest of the industry wants it too.    Everyone reading this knows that you will be banned forever if caught.   Unfortunately good people get caught up in this sometimes so hopefully you can just take it on the chin and buy the game again if you were enjoying it.

  • Gammit100Gammit100 Member UncommonPosts: 439

    Originally posted by observer


    Well, if you're telling the truth, that is unfortunate.  But, there's a reason the MMOG companies have the EULA (end user license agreement?) on their games.
    Just suck it up, and learn from your mistake, that's all i can say. 
    Yup

    Stating the truth doesn't make one a jackass.  You're supposed to READ what you sign or agree too.  Chalk it up to Darwinism.

    You could try calling customer service, but there's no guarantee.

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  • jaixjaix Member Posts: 99

    I've been watching this thread hoping for an update from the OP. Have you spoken with CS yet? What did they tell you?

  • Saying you were ignorant of the fact that you aren't allowed to buy gold won't get you unbanned. I'm guessing it says you can't buy in game currency in that TOS you agreed to reading at some point before playing the game.

  • markyturnipmarkyturnip Member UncommonPosts: 837

    Originally posted by Devony


    You think thats bad, 2 people in my former guild (LOTRO I've since quit) got perma banned for bringing mobs to the NPC's to kill to farm hides.. no warning, nothing just perma ban, lol.
     
    Every game I've every played had some elements of getting NPC's to help you kill mobs
     
     
    this is bizzare, Devony. They really got banned for that? What rule did they break?

     

    as to the OP:

    If you join a club, and that club has rules, and you flout them, you will get thrown out... YET I saw nothing highlighted in the rule book about gold buying, nothing on any loading screen, nothing in any obvious place, which indicates Turbine's policy on gold buying.

     

    To my mind it is far from obvious that gold buying is either right or wrong, so if the Turbine club wants to make a policy, it should advertise it far more clearly.

     

    And I also think that a stern warning/time out - first time - is as effective a way of dealing with gold buying for the first time as an instant permanent ban.

     

    All that said, I am not sure why anyone buys gold for this non pvp game... what is th point? You can easily win the pve encountars with the equipment you would get through normal levelling, and funds for the mount do not take more than a little bit of grinding at that level... I keep on making money and am not sure what to spend it on. (other than tradeskilling... which seems to be a money wasting rather than a money making endeavour... but even with that I find I am basically ok)

  • GreenChaosGreenChaos Member Posts: 2,268

    That’s way too harsh – they should have given you a warning.  Seriously.  If I was you, I would get pissed and take action.  I won’t say what kind of action.

  • seabass2003seabass2003 Member Posts: 4,144
    Originally posted by markyturnip


     
    Originally posted by Devony


    You think thats bad, 2 people in my former guild (LOTRO I've since quit) got perma banned for bringing mobs to the NPC's to kill to farm hides.. no warning, nothing just perma ban, lol.
     
    Every game I've every played had some elements of getting NPC's to help you kill mobs
     
     
    this is bizzare, Devony. They really got banned for that? What rule did they break?

     

     

    as to the OP:

    If you join a club, and that club has rules, and you flout them, you will get thrown out... YET I saw nothing highlighted in the rule book about gold buying, nothing on any loading screen, nothing in any obvious place, which indicates Turbine's policy on gold buying.

     

    To my mind it is far from obvious that gold buying is either right or wrong, so if the Turbine club wants to make a policy, it should advertise it far more clearly.

     

    And I also think that a stern warning/time out - first time - is as effective a way of dealing with gold buying for the first time as an instant permanent ban.

     

    All that said, I am not sure why anyone buys gold for this non pvp game... what is th point? You can easily win the pve encountars with the equipment you would get through normal levelling, and funds for the mount do not take more than a little bit of grinding at that level... I keep on making money and am not sure what to spend it on. (other than tradeskilling... which seems to be a money wasting rather than a money making endeavour... but even with that I find I am basically ok)

    The quote by Devony was just a blatant lie. Pay it no attention.

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  • winterwinter Member UncommonPosts: 2,281

     

    Originally posted by Perception


    I just wanted to add...
    I always find it funny when I see some press release about Turbine's now infamous, heavy handed bannings, in light of their longstanding tradition of allowing rampant cheating and exploiting in their first game, Asheron's Call 1.  Seems its ok to use 3rd party programs and unattended combat macros to your hearts content there, but buy 5 gold and kiss your money goodbye.
    Lets look at this from a consumer standpoint.  You pay $50 for a product, and then another $60 to use that product for a set amount of time.  Now the company says "sorry you can never play again".  Thats $110 of your hard earned cash.  Thats not learning a lesson, thats robbery if his money is not refunded promptly.  I couldn't even imagine how livid someone would be if they got their lifetime account ($200 pre release, $300 currently) perma banned.



     First of all perception is not reality. I sure hope you don't really believe that hogwash. I know a few mental patients with delusions/perceptions that they are able to fly or are bullet proof etc etc, they can't and aren't. Sorry but thats reality for you. Jump out of a significantly high building and you go splat not matter what your perception of gravity is. Now back to the topic 

     

      Do you really believe a stranger you never met that says on the net he got permabanned for just once buying 5 gold? Sure sure putting away the fact he had to affirm that he had read the eula before even playing. (Its posted in big english letters right at the start ).

     Please do post your proof about Turbins infamous heavy handed bannings. I've not seen anywhere that they did anything harsher then WoW.  So if you have info that shows they've done more then say Wow I'd like to see it (WoW having permabanned several thousand accounts and sueing a major gold seller)

     Now its obvious from your previous posts you have issues with Turbine, ah well tons of people have the same issues with SOE can't make everyone happy but really come on jumping on any and every band wagon you can to make Turbine look bad (and considering the weakness of the OP's story and lack of any proof) just kinda makes you look despirit. Turbines a company out to make money they might not be the brightest company but they aren't gonna permaband players for the first time they buy a small amount of gold (5 gp is probably well under their tracer range wouldn't you agree?) Theres gotta be more to it like the players was also advertising the site in game, or sending spam mail etc. 

       Just out of curiousity what do you think gold sellers do when they get caught and banned? Do you think they say "well damn they got me guess i'll go find another game to farm live and let live"? Some might but I'd wager many decide to get revenge by posting how terrible the company is for permabanding poor innocent them in hopes that they can cause enough of a ruckus that the companies will loosen their policies thus allowing the farmers more freedom.

      Take it or leave it but to me it seems there really are only 2 sides. The companies and players who don't want the gold farmers and players that buy the gold and keep the farmers in business on one side, and the gold farmers, players that buy gold, and those that just don't care on the other.

  • winterwinter Member UncommonPosts: 2,281

     

    Originally posted by seabass2003

    Originally posted by Devony


    You think thats bad, 2 people in my former guild (LOTRO I've since quit) got perma banned for bringing mobs to the NPC's to kill to farm hides.. no warning, nothing just perma ban, lol.
     
    Every game I've every played had some elements of getting NPC's to help you kill mobs
     
     



    Strange, whenever an NPC kills something for me they are not able to be looted or drop nothing.

    Edit:Yup just tried it 10 mobs straight and no loot.

     

     You can't loot from mobs killed by NPC's. You couldn't in beta and you can't in release. This is either a made up story or the guys guildies found a bug and were exploiting it.

     Forum Poster rule number 1: The player/poster is aways HONEST, and innocent of any wrong doing especially if they are caught. (Seriously do a search of any thread to find someone saying "Hell yes I was cheating like hell and then bummer they banned me!") Rule 2: The companies that make MMORPG's are always evil greedy SOB's that hate the players and always make up reasons to ban Honest innocent paying customers.

     BTW I like the OP's bit about being in the armed services (during a time of war) with 4 children, it has a nice sympathy grabbing touch. BTW I'm a Neuro-Brain surgeon. (honest! Well both could be true )

  • LionexxLionexx Member UncommonPosts: 680

    I feel for ya bro its a shame you got perma banned. normally they don't perma  first  unlucky guess just call them up and talk it over with support.

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  • Pappy13Pappy13 Member Posts: 2,138

    Originally posted by winter


    Do you really believe a stranger you never met that says on the net he got permabanned for just once buying 5 gold? Sure sure putting away the fact he had to affirm that he had read the eula before even playing. (Its posted in big english letters right at the start ).
    Turbines a company out to make money they might not be the brightest company but they aren't gonna permaband players for the first time they buy a small amount of gold (5 gp is probably well under their tracer range wouldn't you agree?) Theres gotta be more to it like the players was also advertising the site in game, or sending spam mail etc. 
    Typically I would agree with you, but companies, even Blizzard and/or Turbine can make mistakes.  It's quite possible that the account he bought the gold from was flagged by Turbine as being a gold reseller and any transaction between that account and another that only involved gold being exchanged could have been flagged as being a gold purchase and said account could have then been banned.  It's quite possible that Turbine didn't research every single transaction and determine that in this case it was only 5 gold and it was only 1 time.

    That's why I suggested to the OP that if indeed that was the case he contact Turbine and explain the situation.  Perhaps if he does that Turbine will review the account and see if what he says is true and if it is, they could change their mind and reinstate the account.  Stranger things have happened.

    Seriously, do you read the EULA for every game you play?  I don't.  That's no excuse, but at the same time you really can't fault a guy for not knowing that buying gold was against the rules.  The EULA is there to protect the game company from really bad behavior, not to punish people that don't know the rules.  It's a weapon used to defend themselves when attacked, not to bully people into submission.

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