I read this entire thread from op to here (for the love of god I wish I had mod and could say end). It was an interesting journey, I lost iq points, I gained some, I saw some unfuckingbelievable spelling. There were some strange people leaning aginst lamp posts in the rain and there were some pixies playing in the park annoying those having their picnics. But in the end I just want my life back.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Alter-ego? hmm it might be better to put all the points into one huge post because people arent going to read through all this. You seem to fool yourself in thinking that popularity>truth. Many southern people believed slavery was alright. Just another example that popularity is NOT over truth.
He's talking about me. I said that DemonZealot and DemZ2 are the same person, and his answer was that what I said was childish, and then accused me of being the same person with you (Which I suppose shows how good he is in making arguements).
Oh, and btw, from Wikipedia:
A bond is simply a loan, but in the form of a security, although terminology used is rather different. The issuer is equivalent to the borrower, the bond holder to the lender, and the coupon to the interest. Bonds enable the issuer to finance long-term investments with external funds. Certificates of deposit (CDs) or commercial paper are considered money market instruments.
Even if they did get some kind of loan (which is highly questionable because there is no official public press release about it anywhere) that doesn't mean that cash is being used in anyway for a video game.
Even if they did get some kind of loan (which is highly questionable because there is no official public press release about it anywhere) that doesn't mean that cash is being used in anyway for a video game.
Just because they got a huge loan does not mean their going to show the world the money.
Your right since DF is their main project they wont be using any sort of funding for that.
Even if they did get some kind of loan (which is highly questionable because there is no official public press release about it anywhere) that doesn't mean that cash is being used in anyway for a video game.
Just because they got a huge loan does not mean their going to show the world the money.
Your right since DF is their main project they wont be using any sort of funding for that.
Their main project is now researching technology, not DF.
They did get a loan but it was not all used for DF, it was used toward the research as well.
Aventurine SA is an online game developer and publisher based in Athens, Greece that was formed in October 2002. Aventurine SA is currently developing Darkfall in addition to research into game and simulation technologies. Aventurine recently obtained a €20 million convertible bond loan from Marfin Bank [1].
Vaporware speculation
Darkfall has been dogged by speculation that the lack of definite information and publicity, along with the significant time the game has spent in development (since 2001), suggests it is actually vaporware[14]. Aventurine has stated that "The Darkfall community has demonstrated that it doesn't need constant handholding and reassurances," which may explain the company's "information blackout".
Multiple missed beta dates, small dev team, too much promised , yet how many official vids are there?
There are many reasons for people to think it will not come out, but if it does, likely have less than half the features promised, and many of us are likely people who have followed the game for years.
I must have read about a ton of indie MMO developers...and always do i think its vaporware. But there is something with Aventurine i cant get a grip on.
They seems to know what they are doing, and couldent care less what anyone else thinks.
1. It's been in development for I think 6 years now. 2. It promises a lot of features that some think are too good to be true, or something. That's the two reasons that are probably most prominent...
Ehm , thats a load of BS.
Pirates of the burning sea has been in production just as long , but still going strong.
Darkfall are working hard and dont wanna release some semi finished game like vanguard turned out to be.
Their main project is now researching technology, not DF.
They did get a loan but it was not all used for DF, it was used toward the research as well.
Aventurine SA is an online game developer and publisher based in Athens, Greece that was formed in October 2002. Aventurine SA is currently developing Darkfall in addition to research into game and simulation technologies. Aventurine recently obtained a €20 million convertible bond loan from Marfin Bank [1].
Vaporware speculation Darkfall has been dogged by speculation that the lack of definite information and publicity, along with the significant time the game has spent in development (since 2001), suggests it is actually vaporware[14]. Aventurine has stated that "The Darkfall community has demonstrated that it doesn't need constant handholding and reassurances," which may explain the company's "information blackout".
Multiple missed beta dates, small dev team, too much promised , yet how many official vids are there? There are many reasons for people to think it will not come out, but if it does, likely have less than half the features promised, and many of us are likely people who have followed the game for years.
No actually the whole reason aventurine was formed was for DARKFALL. That was/is their main project. The others are side projects to keep the game funded. I didnt say all was used but its more than a safe bet to say most.
4 years since aventurine was formed so that was true development.
Multiple? 2? If you actually believed that they were going to start beta the same year they formed aventurine you really need to get your head checked. The second one was a missed beta date it happens to all games and if it doesnt they usually end up buggy and half-assed.
30+ is small? well if you say so since you really didnt give a number.
Too much promised? Dont place generalizations based on past games. They dont have a time limit and have a large budget so the problems with the other games wont happen here. 5 official vids.
Once again generalizations. Though you may have followed the game longer it doesnt mean that you are correct more than likely it means that your just POed about beta not coming in 2005.
It's been backed up for many reasons. The staff at the DarkFall forums are some of the most ridiculous people I've ever met. Who knows when this game is comming out, whenever it does, it's graphics will be tired and old. Hopefully more better games will with similar style will come out as well. Rennaissance is one game to look out for it seems like it will surpass Darkfall in a number of ways whenever it is released.
It's been backed up for many reasons. The staff at the DarkFall forums are some of the most ridiculous people I've ever met. Who knows when this game is comming out, whenever it does, it's graphics will be tired and old. Hopefully more better games will with similar style will come out as well. Rennaissance is one game to look out for it seems like it will surpass Darkfall in a number of ways whenever it is released.
Meh they make mistakes but the graphics dont seem to old espeically since the SS's are on low to med settings.
It's been backed up for many reasons. The staff at the DarkFall forums are some of the most ridiculous people I've ever met. Who knows when this game is comming out, whenever it does, it's graphics will be tired and old. Hopefully more better games will with similar style will come out as well. Rennaissance is one game to look out for it seems like it will surpass Darkfall in a number of ways whenever it is released.
They take most of those screenshots in the LOWEST settings because they want as many people as possible to have the abillity to run the game, so you can still crank up the video settings if you want(check out the Aerdin Mount video, thats probably on high quality).
"4 years since aventurine was formed so that was true development."
It wasn''t formed 4 years ago. It was formed 2 years ago. And even if it was formed 4 years ago there isn't a lending institution alive that would give a company that is only 4 years old a 20 million dollar loan.
and it's funny how in only a few very short years they have managed to make all kinds of simulations for the military?
I'm confused on why people think Darkfall isnt going to come out. Please list the reasons why.
Simple:
Because they had to get a loan.... if no true game investors are willing to invest the money they need that means the people who've seen the product they have now aren't confident they can pull it off. That alone makes me very nervous. It's great they got the loan... but having to get a LOAN rather than BACKERS is a bad thing, for any company.
I've followed Darkfall's (lack of) progress for a long time. I still hope they pull it off and it's everything we all hope it is. But I'm losing faith.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I'm confused on why people think Darkfall isnt going to come out. Please list the reasons why.
Simple:
Because they had to get a loan.... if no true game investors are willing to invest the money they need that means the people who've seen the product they have now aren't confident they can pull it off. That alone makes me very nervous. It's great they got the loan... but having to get a LOAN rather than BACKERS is a bad thing, for any company.
I've followed Darkfall's (lack of) progress for a long time. I still hope they pull it off and it's everything we all hope it is. But I'm losing faith.
As said before theres alot more evidence of it existing in other threads. Once again Mafin bank invested in the company.
No wonder why he doesn't search himself for the information, Google apparently is too hard to use? If you look at the top, it would have suggested "Marfin Bank", Marfin being in italics.
http://www.marfininvestmentgroup.com/ <----- Homepage of the bank/investment group. I would search that site for any info about it but... meh... it's like searching a needle in the pacific ocean.
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I read this entire thread from op to here (for the love of god I wish I had mod and could say end). It was an interesting journey, I lost iq points, I gained some, I saw some unfuckingbelievable spelling. There were some strange people leaning aginst lamp posts in the rain and there were some pixies playing in the park annoying those having their picnics. But in the end I just want my life back.
-----
The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
He's talking about me. I said that DemonZealot and DemZ2 are the same person, and his answer was that what I said was childish, and then accused me of being the same person with you (Which I suppose shows how good he is in making arguements).
Oh, and btw, from Wikipedia:
A bond is simply a loan, but in the form of a security, although terminology used is rather different. The issuer is equivalent to the borrower, the bond holder to the lender, and the coupon to the interest. Bonds enable the issuer to finance long-term investments with external funds. Certificates of deposit (CDs) or commercial paper are considered money market instruments.
Even if they did get some kind of loan (which is highly questionable because there is no official public press release about it anywhere) that doesn't mean that cash is being used in anyway for a video game.
Your right since DF is their main project they wont be using any sort of funding for that.
Your right since DF is their main project they wont be using any sort of funding for that.
Their main project is now researching technology, not DF.They did get a loan but it was not all used for DF, it was used toward the research as well.
Aventurine SA is an online game developer and publisher based in Athens, Greece that was formed in October 2002. Aventurine SA is currently developing Darkfall in addition to research into game and simulation technologies. Aventurine recently obtained a €20 million convertible bond loan from Marfin Bank [1].
Vaporware speculation
Darkfall has been dogged by speculation that the lack of definite information and publicity, along with the significant time the game has spent in development (since 2001), suggests it is actually vaporware [14]. Aventurine has stated that "The Darkfall community has demonstrated that it doesn't need constant handholding and reassurances," which may explain the company's "information blackout".
Multiple missed beta dates, small dev team, too much promised , yet how many official vids are there?
There are many reasons for people to think it will not come out, but if it does, likely have less than half the features promised, and many of us are likely people who have followed the game for years.
Its weird?
I must have read about a ton of indie MMO developers...and always do i think its vaporware. But there is something with Aventurine i cant get a grip on.
They seems to know what they are doing, and couldent care less what anyone else thinks.
DF will be realesed soon.........maybe
Darkfall is a good looking game, but no one wants to publish a game with mediocre graphics......
Ehm , thats a load of BS.
Pirates of the burning sea has been in production just as long , but still going strong.
Darkfall are working hard and dont wanna release some semi finished game like vanguard turned out to be.
List of SOE lies
No actually the whole reason aventurine was formed was for DARKFALL. That was/is their main project. The others are side projects to keep the game funded. I didnt say all was used but its more than a safe bet to say most.
4 years since aventurine was formed so that was true development.
Multiple? 2? If you actually believed that they were going to start beta the same year they formed aventurine you really need to get your head checked. The second one was a missed beta date it happens to all games and if it doesnt they usually end up buggy and half-assed.
30+ is small? well if you say so since you really didnt give a number.
Too much promised? Dont place generalizations based on past games. They dont have a time limit and have a large budget so the problems with the other games wont happen here. 5 official vids.
Once again generalizations. Though you may have followed the game longer it doesnt mean that you are correct more than likely it means that your just POed about beta not coming in 2005.
It's been backed up for many reasons. The staff at the DarkFall forums are some of the most ridiculous people I've ever met. Who knows when this game is comming out, whenever it does, it's graphics will be tired and old. Hopefully more better games will with similar style will come out as well. Rennaissance is one game to look out for it seems like it will surpass Darkfall in a number of ways whenever it is released.
Meh they make mistakes but the graphics dont seem to old espeically since the SS's are on low to med settings.
"4 years since aventurine was formed so that was true development."
It wasn''t formed 4 years ago. It was formed 2 years ago. And even if it was formed 4 years ago there isn't a lending institution alive that would give a company that is only 4 years old a 20 million dollar loan.
and it's funny how in only a few very short years they have managed to make all kinds of simulations for the military?
get real and wake up.
Thank you for your concern ttitan. It's nice to know you keep it real for the rest of us.
Simple:
Because they had to get a loan.... if no true game investors are willing to invest the money they need that means the people who've seen the product they have now aren't confident they can pull it off. That alone makes me very nervous. It's great they got the loan... but having to get a LOAN rather than BACKERS is a bad thing, for any company.
I've followed Darkfall's (lack of) progress for a long time. I still hope they pull it off and it's everything we all hope it is. But I'm losing faith.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Simple:
Because they had to get a loan.... if no true game investors are willing to invest the money they need that means the people who've seen the product they have now aren't confident they can pull it off. That alone makes me very nervous. It's great they got the loan... but having to get a LOAN rather than BACKERS is a bad thing, for any company.
I've followed Darkfall's (lack of) progress for a long time. I still hope they pull it off and it's everything we all hope it is. But I'm losing faith.
As said before theres alot more evidence of it existing in other threads. Once again Mafin bank invested in the company.
Really? It's funny how theres no info about any kind of Mofin bank anywhere
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mafin+bank+darkfall&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mafin+bank&btnG=Search
Dude........
"Did you mean: Marfin bank "
it's MARFIN BANK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aventurine_SA <--- says that it's Marfin bank.
Oh man I laugh, I just laugh. You spelled it wrong you dolt. Marfin Bank google search
No wonder why he doesn't search himself for the information, Google apparently is too hard to use? If you look at the top, it would have suggested "Marfin Bank", Marfin being in italics.
http://www.marfininvestmentgroup.com/ <----- Homepage of the bank/investment group. I would search that site for any info about it but... meh... it's like searching a needle in the pacific ocean.
I just copied what someone else called it in a thread. I didn't get it wrong. They did.
Or you could of just copied it from my post about it instead of going to a different thread.
I won't even dignify that one with an answer
You just did.
He gave you a response not an answer.