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some of you people (OP) are as ignorant as they come. Any sort of delving on the subject would reveal a lot of information that would explain the visual similarities between the two games.
However, first, WAR is using a completely different engine for WAR. EAMythic is using the Gamebryo engine which is supplied by a third party. Blizzard used their own engine for WoW.
The original Warcraft was largely inspired by Warhammer. In fact, it was originally supposed to be a Warhammer PC game, but Blizzard never got permission to use the Warhammer IP so it became Warcraft. Warhammer has always had that quirky, dark, and cartoony style from the get go so thats where there are obvious visual similarities.
If you have read anything about Warhammer, you would know that WoW and WAR are completely different games. WoW is primarily PvE/Quest based. Warhammer is primarily RvR/Achievement based.
Hmm, yes ignorance... Isn't it ignorant to think that nobody would have reached that very conclusion after a whole 2 weeks and 24 pages? Or do you just enjoy reciting other people?
To wank, or not to wank. The ultimate MMO sacrifice.
You are trying to cause drama. This issue is really none of your business. If there is any ripping off, it is for both parties to determine and then use the normal court process to clear it up. Other than that, what is the point of this other than drama/flaming? Do you need some attention?
You are trying to cause drama. This issue is really none of your business. If there is any ripping off, it is for both parties to determine and then use the normal court process to clear it up. Other than that, what is the point of this other than drama/flaming? Do you need some attention?
Christ man, read on past the first post and you will understand...
Are people really so strange that they will reply to the first post in a thread 2 weeks old, 24 pages long and expect to say something original...
Yes my first post was slightly dramatic... But read past the first page, I implore you... How can you ever begin to understand something when you are being so incredibly short sighted? All will become clear, I promise.
To wank, or not to wank. The ultimate MMO sacrifice.
You are trying to cause drama. This issue is really none of your business. If there is any ripping off, it is for both parties to determine and then use the normal court process to clear it up. Other than that, what is the point of this other than drama/flaming? Do you need some attention?
Christ man, read on past the first post and you will understand...
Are people really so strange that they will reply to the first post in a thread 2 weeks old, 24 pages long and expect to say something original...
Yes my first post was slightly dramatic... But read past the first page, I implore you... How can you ever begin to understand something when you are being so incredibly short sighted? All will become clear, I promise.
My post was original.....
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Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
You are trying to cause drama. This issue is really none of your business. If there is any ripping off, it is for both parties to determine and then use the normal court process to clear it up. Other than that, what is the point of this other than drama/flaming? Do you need some attention?
Christ man, read on past the first post and you will understand...
Are people really so strange that they will reply to the first post in a thread 2 weeks old, 24 pages long and expect to say something original...
Yes my first post was slightly dramatic... But read past the first page, I implore you... How can you ever begin to understand something when you are being so incredibly short sighted? All will become clear, I promise.
My post was original.....
Ha-ha, you're funny
To wank, or not to wank. The ultimate MMO sacrifice.
Well, I highly doubt many people know what PVD is. So that has to be some + points.
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
Hi,
Just a little comment on the underlying sentence.
I played three level 50 characters ( a 50 in each realm ) in Daoc including one which was realm rank 6. I left Daoc when SWG was released so I dont know what TAO and New Frontier changed pvp wise ).
Anyway, when I was playing once you had a 99% or 100% crafted armor with maxed out resists, the stat bonus where you needed too and the proc,reverse proc you wanted, your character was on an equal level next to the others players character. I am of course speaking gear wise. And it was not that hard to wear such armor.
The difference in "uberness" came with Realm Abilites and player skill not the time you spent collecting powerfull gear in pve.
Furthermore, WoW is a PvE item centric base game with close to meaningless PvP ( that will change with the next addon I've read ) compared to Daoc ( you had realm relic which gave to all players of a realm a bonus to magic, melee or mana "not sure if it was mana, you could open a dungeon by controling more castle that the others realm, Darkness Fall dungeon where you could pvp as well ) and WAR is more of a PvP less item centric game.
Note that I don't bash WoW PvP, I just didn't found it interesting nor well implemented.
I think WAR will be similar to Daoc in that area, at least I hope it will.
As for WAR behind a WoW ripoff, I stand on the side which think the contrary. Warhammer univers came before Warcraft one and Warcraft graphic art is a ripoff of Warhammer art.
PS : I've played WoW too, level 70 hunter with raid gear ( mostly MC stuff, I left the game short time after BWL was added ).
Regards,
Xavier
PS : worry for the bad quoting.
Im going to feel sorry for all the people that believed that it was going to be DAoC 2.0 PvP wise when this releases. ( I was one of those people). You will be utterly crushed when you discover that its a complete WoW knock-off. And like I always say at the end of my posts so people don't repeat "U NEVA PLAID IT!!!11", yes I have played it as much as I wanted.
Hi,
Just a little comment on the underlying sentence.
I played three level 50 characters ( a 50 in each realm ) in Daoc including one which was realm rank 6. I left Daoc when SWG was released so I dont know what TAO and New Frontier changed pvp wise ).
Anyway, when I was playing once you had a 99% or 100% crafted armor with maxed out resists, the stat bonus where you needed too and the proc,reverse proc you wanted, your character was on an equal level next to the others players character. I am of course speaking gear wise. And it was not that hard to wear such armor.
The difference in "uberness" came with Realm Abilites and player skill not the time you spent collecting powerfull gear in pve.
Furthermore, WoW is a PvE item centric base game with close to meaningless PvP ( that will change with the next addon I've read ) compared to Daoc ( you had realm relic which gave to all players of a realm a bonus to magic, melee or mana "not sure if it was mana, you could open a dungeon by controling more castle that the others realm, Darkness Fall dungeon where you could pvp as well ) and WAR is more of a PvP less item centric game.
Note that I don't bash WoW PvP, I just didn't found it interesting nor well implemented.
I think WAR will be similar to Daoc in that area, at least I hope it will.
As for WAR behind a WoW ripoff, I stand on the side which think the contrary. Warhammer univers came before Warcraft one and Warcraft graphic art is a ripoff of Warhammer art.
PS : I've played WoW too, level 70 hunter with raid gear ( mostly MC stuff, I left the game short time after BWL was added ).
Regards,
Xavier
PS : worry for the bad quoting.
Im going to feel sorry for all the people that believed that it was going to be DAoC 2.0 PvP wise when this releases. ( I was one of those people). You will be utterly crushed when you discover that its a complete WoW knock-off. And like I always say at the end of my posts so people don't repeat "U NEVA PLAID IT!!!11", yes I have played it as much as I wanted.
Playing a game for 45 minutes at a convention is not enough to judge an entire game. Also, what server did you play on in beta and what was your character name if you beta'd it? You obviously aren't playing it anymore so breaking the NDA would not be an issue with you.
Im going to feel sorry for all the people that believed that it was going to be DAoC 2.0 PvP wise when this releases. ( I was one of those people). You will be utterly crushed when you discover that its a complete WoW knock-off. And like I always say at the end of my posts so people don't repeat "U NEVA PLAID IT!!!11", yes I have played it as much as I wanted.
Warcraft is the knock-off, if anything. The art style and combat system for Warhammer was around long before Warcraft. However I want to pose my question again, how exactly is Warhammer online just like WoW? "Well it plays just like WoW" doesn't tell anyone anything, it is very vague.
What is it specifically?
Do you honestly believe that the differences do not make WAR its own game?
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There really needs to be a sticky on this.
Anyway here is my take.
http://javairasfolly.jandell.net/?page_id=377
I fall into the WAR is not copying WOW camp.
WAR is not WOW - http://javairasfolly.jandell.net/?page_id=377
www.afkcafe.com
Im going to feel sorry for all the people that believed that it was going to be DAoC 2.0 PvP wise when this releases. ( I was one of those people). You will be utterly crushed when you discover that its a complete WoW knock-off. And like I always say at the end of my posts so people don't repeat "U NEVA PLAID IT!!!11", yes I have played it as much as I wanted.
Warcraft is the knock-off, if anything. The art style and combat system for Warhammer was around long before Warcraft. However I want to pose my question again, how exactly is Warhammer online just like WoW? "Well it plays just like WoW" doesn't tell anyone anything, it is very vague.
What is it specifically?
Do you honestly believe that the differences do not make WAR its own game?
Warhammer didn't have an MMO befor Warcraft, Its IMPOSSIBLE that they "Knocked-Off" anything, besides maybe they have Orcs? At which point Warhammer Knocked-Off a dozen writers to get Orcs into their table top games.
People say its like WoW because, game mechanics are like WoW's. Targeting, Attacking, Casting, are almost exclusively copied from WoW. If you played both you'd see this. Now I'm not going to play WoW ever again, but I may play Warhammer. Warhammer didn't introduce anything new to MMO's. People say public quests, but theres something very similar in battle ground quests in WoW. They've elaborated on what WoW did. Good for them. WoW is WILDLY SUCESSFUL, and its a smart idea. If people like cars, and you build a better car, people will buy it. Hopefully Warhammer is a BETTER MMO.
from wikipedia:
"Etymology of the word "orc"
The modern use of the English word "orc" to denote a race of evil, humanoid creatures begins with J.R.R. Tolkien."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc
Harq is correct; although Tolkien started weaseling out of his own orc origin story later... The point is that orks (his later spelling); are from Tolkien; and like Gygax's love of elves; made their way into D&D.
Harq is also correct that D&D made them pig-like and changed their origin - the idea of orks as big green bruisers as far as I have ever seen; DOES originate from Warhammer - with the caveat that the Rankin & Bass version of "the Hobbit" had big green goblins:
If you don't think Goblins relevent to the discussion; well; Tolkien was unsteady in his references - but it was D&D that seperated them into two seperate races. Warhammer had them back as relatives- greenskins.
Neither the animated lord of the rings movie nor the recent live-action had orks like "da boyz" - physically.
The orks in the RTS of WH40k; btw; sound like a pack of British skinheads and i dare anyone to hear them and NOT bust out laughing.
I would not be surprised that Blizzard and GW had words over licensing; but I still haven't seen any documentation of that - did I miss threads?
Anyway; my two cents is this: AESTHETICALLY; down to the unrealistically-unbalanced big weapons that would get you SLAUGHTERED in a real fight (ask your SCA friends) - I think its pretty clear warhammer had that style first. WH was the over-the-top "I've read too much Heavy Metal & Judge Dread" style aesthetic; just as TSR (D&D) was being toned tone in content and graphics. ...Yes; most computer-gamers probably saw that aesthetic in warcraft first - so didn't post 'warcraft is ripping of GW's style' years ago...And I suppose Chaos League isn't Blood Bowl either.
Fantasy game with GUNS? Again; despite all the fiction which I can't hope to track; as far as games; well I challenge anyone to show me a fantasy-genre game that used GUNS before Warhammer?
I think its fairly clear that aesthetically and perhaps thematically the warcraft series was fairly strongly influenced by warhammer - just add annoying Dragonlance gnomes- BUT has been fairly said by all - what isn't influenced by everything else before it?
Haven't all of these ideas become public domain at this point?
i think 43.5 people on this thread have already pointed out that WoW innovated little if anything in the MMO genre - rather; tuned it up a bit. Likewise; I think most people have agreed that WAR is less innovative than evolutionary; certainly despite the combat in the IP; there is no sign that they are going to mess with the tried and true formula of MMO combat being an affair of standing there trading fantastic blows until someone finally runs out of "ignore-hit" points.
So ; MMO-wise; do we just say everyone's ripping off EQ (or choose your MMO of choice; insert here) and leave it at that?
Last but not least:
Anyone point me to those GW vs blizzard filings we kept having references to?
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getting really tired of these pro - you copied - WoW posts.....hey guys ... news flash...almost every part of wow was copied from previous mmos, just like current mmos use the same formats, ui's, quests system, etc.......
WoW did not invent the mmo...just polished it.
why do people feel the need to compare games to wow? if you enjoy the game just play it! if you dont enjoy it dont play it! sheesh
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
The end.
Claiming WAR ripped off WoW is like claiming LOTR TT ripped off AD&D. Look at the timeline and that's all the proof you need. Though WoW may have ripped off WAR for its orc and dwarf character models, I'm surprised Disney never slapped a lawsuit on Blizzard for their human models. I'll be damned if female humans all don't look like "The Little Mermaid."
Is WAR ripping off Wow?
Yes.
"The first edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battle (WFB) was released by Games Workshop in early 1983.
Warcraft: Orcs and Humans(1994)
The background, plot, and setting, like most Blizzard games, bear notable resemblance to tabletop games such as Warhammer Fantasy Battle by Games Workshop, and Dungeons and Dragons from Wizards of the Coast. It's said that Blizzard offered the first Warcraft game to Games Workshop as a game based on the Warhammer universe, but Games Workshop denied."
Why are there no WoW ripped off this... and WoW ripped off that from this game threads.
It is probably because WoW fanbois are the only ones who bother to engage in such an infantile argument, when the fact is that every game "rips off" stuff from other games, and this is fine - it is how genres evolve. The definition of an improvement is pretty much taking something that already exists and making it better, so of course there will be similarities unless one straight-up creates something totally new.
However, WoW is the holy grail of MMORPGs and did everything first, is 100% original, and thus no one can complain it stole anything.
It is probably because WoW fanbois are the only ones who bother to engage in such an infantile argument, when the fact is that every game "rips off" stuff from other games, and this is fine - it is how genres evolve. The definition of an improvement is pretty much taking something that already exists and making it better, so of course there will be similarities unless one straight-up creates something totally new.
However, WoW is the holy grail of MMORPGs and did everything first, is 100% original, and thus no one can complain it stole anything.
good point....except the last part....WoW is NOT by any means 100% original...maybe 65-80...
Lets run down the list
Partying (or grouping as its sometimes call) with players on the same objective...been done
Raids....been done
endgame content....been done
PvP....been done
expansions...been done
tons of items, weapons and gear....been done
RvR...been done
All they have going for it is the instanced dungeons, Battlegrounds, and the stuff from the expansions...plus Warcraft itself is original...
It is probably because WoW fanbois are the only ones who bother to engage in such an infantile argument, when the fact is that every game "rips off" stuff from other games, and this is fine - it is how genres evolve. The definition of an improvement is pretty much taking something that already exists and making it better, so of course there will be similarities unless one straight-up creates something totally new.
However, WoW is the holy grail of MMORPGs and did everything first, is 100% original, and thus no one can complain it stole anything.
good point....except the last part....WoW is NOT by any means 100% original...maybe 65-80...
Lets run down the list
Partying (or grouping as its sometimes call) with players on the same objective...been done
Raids....been done
endgame content....been done
PvP....been done
expansions...been done
tons of items, weapons and gear....been done
RvR...been done
All they have going for it is the instanced dungeons, Battlegrounds, and the stuff from the expansions...plus Warcraft itself is original...
I was being sarcastic, but clearly I did not lather it on thick enough.
But yes, WoW is simply the evolution of a combination of EverQuest and Dark Age of Camelot, mostly. It does have its own unique elements and charm, but, like I said, is merely what most MMORPGs are - an improvement upon the past (depending on whom you talk to...some hate it).
I could really care less who ripped off what from who... Its new its a whole new gaming world, new classes, new abilities. I'm playing.
It is probably because WoW fanbois are the only ones who bother to engage in such an infantile argument, when the fact is that every game "rips off" stuff from other games, and this is fine - it is how genres evolve. The definition of an improvement is pretty much taking something that already exists and making it better, so of course there will be similarities unless one straight-up creates something totally new.
However, WoW is the holy grail of MMORPGs and did everything first, is 100% original, and thus no one can complain it stole anything.
good point....except the last part....WoW is NOT by any means 100% original...maybe 65-80...
Lets run down the list
Partying (or grouping as its sometimes call) with players on the same objective...been done
Raids....been done
endgame content....been done
PvP....been done
expansions...been done
tons of items, weapons and gear....been done
RvR...been done
All they have going for it is the instanced dungeons, Battlegrounds, and the stuff from the expansions...plus Warcraft itself is original...
I was being sarcastic, but clearly I did not lather it on thick enough.
But yes, WoW is simply the evolution of a combination of EverQuest and Dark Age of Camelot, mostly. It does have its own unique elements and charm, but, like I said, is merely what most MMORPGs are - an improvement upon the past (depending on whom you talk to...some hate it).
hey no worries man...i knew u couldnt be serious...i was just trying to stop those WoW fanbois from agreeing with ur sarcasm so i felt the door needed to be shut real quick lol. But yes i agree...alot of games coming out and that will be made in the future will of course copy and borrow elements from WoW and other games mentioned.