i am neither a fanboi nor a troll. I couldnt really care if this game does great or does horribly. But i am curious. My problem is that there is always alot of talk about the system, gameplay, etc...but the general public has not seen anything. What one person says "OMG THIS GAME IS AWESOME" could be the truth, or it could be fanboi delusion. Alot of people said the same thing with DnL. DnL talked of revolutionary systems, great gameplay, etc...and when the time came, it was a pure sham.
What makes me think Darkfall is anything less? At least DnL was nice enough to open a beta and show numerous videos of what it was like, even while under NDA and such. There has been almost no information or gameplay videos released on Darkfall. The talk and hype are definitely there, but the same with DnL before the beta came out. Look how well DnL did. Revolutionary games and hyped systems tend to do bad things to the general cleanliness and stability of the game.
Do we know how buggy the game will be? Do we know what the pvp dynamics are going to be like? Do we know how well the graphics engine will run? Do we know how well character balance will be? Do we even know what the gameplay looks like? And i don't mean scripted little scenes, I am talking about actually watching someone run around and pve'ing or pvping? How many of these systems/features will be ready by the time the game is release? all, none, some? No....all the hype might just turn out to be a polished turd. I am not saying this game is vaporware at all...but maybe it just wont live up to what they promised.
So like i said earlier, I will beleive it when i see it....untill then i will remain neutral. And i won't hold my breath.
Honestly, if the posts in this thread are any indication of how the target audience is going to behave once this game actually releases, I think I'll stay far away. The game itself is intriguing, and I've been keeping an eye on it for a long time---but the community makes or breaks games of this type.
I really hope that the behaviour that I've been seeing is just an isolated incident of certain overenthusiastic fans from the DF boards posting over here, but sadly, I see no indication of this being the case.
Also, as an aside, some of the posts on this board are a fine example of how age does not indicate maturity at all.
Honestly, if the posts in this thread are any indication of how the target audience is going to behave once this game actually releases, I think I'll stay far away. The game itself is intriguing, and I've been keeping an eye on it for a long time---but the community makes or breaks games of this type.
I really hope that the behaviour that I've been seeing is just an isolated incident of certain overenthusiastic fans from the DF boards posting over here, but sadly, I see no indication of this being the case.
Also, as an aside, some of the posts on this board are a fine example of how age does not indicate maturity at all.
Well im pretty sure you cant judge the games community by looking at a few posters on one website, that is just silly. I suggest you go to the DF main website forums, youll get a better feel for what the community will really be like.
And to everything else, like some have said, we will see in beta so all this talk is pointless.
Yep yep, sent a copy of your childish little e-mail you sent me to Admin. When you come back from ban, maybe you'll have grown up a little.
hahaha, it's so funny reading this after seeing the deleted posts before this one...
Anyways, how long would it take for so called trolls to win (given that the devs never cancell the development)? Or would it just go on forever, the fight between the naysayers and yaysayers?
I personaly think it will come, eventualy, but it will do exactly like DnL did. Interesting mechanics, alot of bells and whistles, some extraordinary ideas, all together a very compeling litle gem of a game, but with bugs, crappy animations, awful engine, lost in translation from a game that was destent to shine in the begining of this decade to a game that will fade away in the end.
Honestly, if the posts in this thread are any indication of how the target audience is going to behave once this game actually releases, I think I'll stay far away. The game itself is intriguing, and I've been keeping an eye on it for a long time---but the community makes or breaks games of this type.
I really hope that the behaviour that I've been seeing is just an isolated incident of certain overenthusiastic fans from the DF boards posting over here, but sadly, I see no indication of this being the case.
Also, as an aside, some of the posts on this board are a fine example of how age does not indicate maturity at all.
Well im pretty sure you cant judge the games community by looking at a few posters on one website, that is just silly. I suggest you go to the DF main website forums, youll get a better feel for what the community will really be like,
Yes, I've been to the official forums as well, and haven't really liked what I've seen there either. The only reason it looks somewhat civil there right now is because it's pretty heavily moderated. I'm not making my statement based off of the actions of a few posters here, hence the implication in the post you've quoted of me having actually been to the official forums. Read the third sentence again, it's a little subtle.
I'm trying not to write this game off just yet, as I'm hoping a lot of the lack of civility is more due to the fact that people are just on edge after having waited so long for any news about this game.
Darkfall probably has one of the oldest (talking RL age) crowds you are likely to find. This is especially true since many of those following the game have been doing so for 3-4 years now. The forums there used to be a place of great discussions and the OT is still a great place to catch up on world news and whacky info.
If you are worried about the community... I would say to wait until Beta/release to make many judgments. The fact is that a game like Darkfall weeds out the truly moronic idiots quite quickly (much like EVE and Shadowbane before it).
As to the review... Asp is a long time member of LoD, a guild I have loved killing for many years now. Evil they may be, but this review is quite real and good news for anyone wanting this game to enter the realm of "real".
Darkfall probably has one of the oldest (talking RL age) crowds you are likely to find. This is especially true since many of those following the game have been doing so for 3-4 years now. The forums there used to be a place of great discussions and the OT is still a great place to catch up on world news and whacky info.
Alas, real life age is not an indication of maturity or social competence. My fear is that with the game being as socially and community focused as it is (you don't need a beta to know that a FFA PvP focused game with penalties will require a lot of communication and team work), that even a few bad apples could theoretically ruin the batch.
I agree with the "wait and see" approach, but I'm still skeptical of how this is going to pan out.
Well, I suppose my experience has been different than most. My PvP time has been mostly in Shadowbane and EVE... two small communities that provide both in-game and out-of-game consequences (out of game meaning reputation and such). The more free the PvP, the less likely jerks will last long. That was true in Shadowbane and is pretty true in EVE too. Sure you will have the isolated few, but we refer to them as gnats and non-factors as their presense becomes less and less noticeable the longer the game lives.
In any case, I don't really feel like defending a game community that does not even exist , but I think this one will turn out well if it can ever actually get a game heh.
Well, I suppose my experience has been different than most. My PvP time has been mostly in Shadowbane and EVE... two small communities that provide both in-game and out-of-game consequences (out of game meaning reputation and such). The more free the PvP, the less likely jerks will last long. That was true in Shadowbane and is pretty true in EVE too. Sure you will have the isolated few, but we refer to them as gnats and non-factors as their presense becomes less and less noticeable the longer the game lives. In any case, I don't really feel like defending a game community that does not even exist , but I think this one will turn out well if it can ever actually get a game heh.
I can see where you're coming from, but one thing to keep in mind when comparing DF to other PvP games is that a skill-based system will change a lot of things. It will take more effort to drive someone out of a game where you won't have a guaranteed win because of level difference or numbers advantages, or other similar factors.
And yes, I agree with the fact that it's rather pointless to either attack or defend the community, given the fact that the game hasn't even entered a closed beta stage (to our knowledge), so the community could easily change. I'm trying not to criticize the community, as it's still forming and changing. I'm aiming more for a "voicing my concerns" approach, as I know that there are certainly some intelligent and socially adept people in the DF community.
Anyhow I suppose people coming over saying DFO is fake and so on does get a little annoying and repetative. So people lash out I guess wish mods would just bann after 3 deletions in a small perioud of time.
As for DFO I can not wait for it to come out just hope it all works out the mini review is nothing new as others have said but sounds good. I guess the new stuff was edited out by Asp because of NDA.
The thing I like most is there still working on it day in day out thats all anyone can want. Untill they find a publisher I will just keep hoping that it all works out and does not turn into V-W like few other MMOs have. Remember the anti DFO guys it is not V-W as they have not said, it's still classed as in development so you just make yourself look silly with this V-W crap but then most of you don't do it to look silly you just want to come and wind people up and troll (notice I said most not all).
I think the most intersting thing of all was the "all things crafted" part. Imo that's the best thing that will make darkfall stand up from the rest games out there.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
na beta is this year the current version was going throw some stuff and was down atm
but they had a demo build ready so theyf ired it up which it was a online version and its was based on pvp parts some thing probly have changed for the better beta will be this year or they wouldnt have said they have pinpointed a beta date
Beta this year? I would bet all my pay checks for the next 10 years that there is no beta this year.
And I also do not believe that 20 people can build a mmorpg with the feature set that darkfall is supposed to have when it took around 80 seasoned professionals 4 years to build World of Warcraft with 100% proven skills and technology.
I don't think the fanboys even begin to realize how ridiculous this project probably looks to other professional development studios and how much it actually has to prove still.
What has darkfall proven in the last 7 years? Absolutely nothing if you ask me. I'll list darkfalls accomplishments in the last 7 years.
1. They have a website up that BTW looks extremely amateurish at best. I am employed as a professional graphic artist. I should know.
2. They released a few Alpha videos that show extremely basic things going on. Some horses running around and people swinging some weapons.
3. They showed up to E3 one year and did not even display their product.
Where are the videos of the siege systems and Sieges taking place? Where are the videos of the city systems and Cities being built dynamically? Where are the videos showing that their server technology can handle even a few hundred people on screen at once without bogging down to 5 FPS?
All of the competitors like AoC and Warhammer have these videos. Whats wrong with darkfall showing the same?
There has not been even a tiny glimpse that any of these (major features) are anywhere near being done or functioning in any kind of form.
Also , where is their Publisher that they have been seeking since early January? This fact alone shows that no one wants to publish this game after being given previews to what they have built so far. Why don't they if it's so grand??? Because it isn't otherwise they would of signed with one already long ago. Comen sense.
Please..... Until there is an actual public playable beta that shows all of thse things working smoothly this project is still a complete joke in my mind.
how about we just get along and make a friendly bet if there isnt beta by jan 2008
i will admit i was wrong but unless the devs are lieing its not later than jan
and see you dont understand how publishers think they coulda been the ones to reject the publishers cause ibet they wanted some kind of conrol on the game and darkfall devs wouldnt give it to them they decide to self publish anyways
plus if you notice all the publshers are going no sandboxes if you noticed maybe they dont want to deal with the bandwidth required to run the game or maybe they dotn want to be giving out free exspansions liek darkfall devs want 2
not having a publishers doesnt mean much it could BUT we are willing to take the chance that it could be BAD wE havent payed them a dime to work on the game
If you dont want to look at the other reason and stick to your opinions then just stfu we have heard it a million timrees WE know they didnt get a publishers and are self publishing WE dont care
Why do you care so much if its joke in your mind Why do you keep coming here and harrasing us with the same crap over and over and over again
its getting very nerve racking
ANd you look at all the negitive things
ok how about i say this
AOc WIll fail in my mind cause its will take a uber computer that alot of people dont have to play
LAGDEATH FTL you dont se eme over there saying this over and over and over what you just said has been said a million times WE DONT WANT TO HEAR IT so why dont you just go away and stop bring9ng your crap in a topic and hijacking it
Dark and Light couldn't find a Publisher either. The reason made itself clear after they showed what they really had.
And the excuse that no one wants to publish a sandbox PvP mmorg is starting to get old and is lame at best. Publishers will publish any style of game if it is high enough quality and they feel that it will bring back their investment.
If darkfall ends up "self publishing" then It's pretty safe to assume the reason for that is because the product was not high enough quality to be picked up by a name publisher.
Why do you care to constantly post how amazing darkfall is?
Your excuse for why AoC will fail is also pretty lame. It will fail because it's graphics are too good??? Where do you come up with this stuff? From the darkfall fanboy excuse vault or something?
I just bought a computer for $900 that can run any game out right now at maximum settings with ease. Computers are cheap as dirt these days.
but its the same thing as sayign they havent shown us everything so its a joke WTF thats bullcrap
maybe there just a bit mroe secretive about there stuff what game has shown ton of stuff before beta anyways >.> none i dont htink must of the info on these new mmos came after beta started
if you look around i dont think TR has over 100 screenshots out or barly any gameplay vids
darkfall has over 400 screens and some ingame footage
darkfall doesnt even have a pr person they SUCK at pr and thats all
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i didn't report you Zorvan! you mis-interpreted me.
i think you know who I was refering to...
i am neither a fanboi nor a troll. I couldnt really care if this game does great or does horribly. But i am curious. My problem is that there is always alot of talk about the system, gameplay, etc...but the general public has not seen anything. What one person says "OMG THIS GAME IS AWESOME" could be the truth, or it could be fanboi delusion. Alot of people said the same thing with DnL. DnL talked of revolutionary systems, great gameplay, etc...and when the time came, it was a pure sham.
What makes me think Darkfall is anything less? At least DnL was nice enough to open a beta and show numerous videos of what it was like, even while under NDA and such. There has been almost no information or gameplay videos released on Darkfall. The talk and hype are definitely there, but the same with DnL before the beta came out. Look how well DnL did. Revolutionary games and hyped systems tend to do bad things to the general cleanliness and stability of the game.
Do we know how buggy the game will be? Do we know what the pvp dynamics are going to be like? Do we know how well the graphics engine will run? Do we know how well character balance will be? Do we even know what the gameplay looks like? And i don't mean scripted little scenes, I am talking about actually watching someone run around and pve'ing or pvping? How many of these systems/features will be ready by the time the game is release? all, none, some? No....all the hype might just turn out to be a polished turd. I am not saying this game is vaporware at all...but maybe it just wont live up to what they promised.
So like i said earlier, I will beleive it when i see it....untill then i will remain neutral. And i won't hold my breath.
look at it this way when it hits beta we will know if its any good or all talk its as simple as that
Honestly, if the posts in this thread are any indication of how the target audience is going to behave once this game actually releases, I think I'll stay far away. The game itself is intriguing, and I've been keeping an eye on it for a long time---but the community makes or breaks games of this type.
I really hope that the behaviour that I've been seeing is just an isolated incident of certain overenthusiastic fans from the DF boards posting over here, but sadly, I see no indication of this being the case.
Also, as an aside, some of the posts on this board are a fine example of how age does not indicate maturity at all.
there is much truth in the words you speak
I know, heerobya. No worries.
i am sorry i should really just learn to ignore them and stop getting upset over nothing
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*shakes fist at Zorvan*
Well im pretty sure you cant judge the games community by looking at a few posters on one website, that is just silly. I suggest you go to the DF main website forums, youll get a better feel for what the community will really be like.
And to everything else, like some have said, we will see in beta so all this talk is pointless.
Yep yep, sent a copy of your childish little e-mail you sent me to Admin. When you come back from ban, maybe you'll have grown up a little.
hahaha, it's so funny reading this after seeing the deleted posts before this one...
Anyways, how long would it take for so called trolls to win (given that the devs never cancell the development)? Or would it just go on forever, the fight between the naysayers and yaysayers?
I personaly think it will come, eventualy, but it will do exactly like DnL did. Interesting mechanics, alot of bells and whistles, some extraordinary ideas, all together a very compeling litle gem of a game, but with bugs, crappy animations, awful engine, lost in translation from a game that was destent to shine in the begining of this decade to a game that will fade away in the end.
Well im pretty sure you cant judge the games community by looking at a few posters on one website, that is just silly. I suggest you go to the DF main website forums, youll get a better feel for what the community will really be like,
Yes, I've been to the official forums as well, and haven't really liked what I've seen there either. The only reason it looks somewhat civil there right now is because it's pretty heavily moderated. I'm not making my statement based off of the actions of a few posters here, hence the implication in the post you've quoted of me having actually been to the official forums. Read the third sentence again, it's a little subtle.
I'm trying not to write this game off just yet, as I'm hoping a lot of the lack of civility is more due to the fact that people are just on edge after having waited so long for any news about this game.
Darkfall probably has one of the oldest (talking RL age) crowds you are likely to find. This is especially true since many of those following the game have been doing so for 3-4 years now. The forums there used to be a place of great discussions and the OT is still a great place to catch up on world news and whacky info.
If you are worried about the community... I would say to wait until Beta/release to make many judgments. The fact is that a game like Darkfall weeds out the truly moronic idiots quite quickly (much like EVE and Shadowbane before it).
As to the review... Asp is a long time member of LoD, a guild I have loved killing for many years now. Evil they may be, but this review is quite real and good news for anyone wanting this game to enter the realm of "real".
Alas, real life age is not an indication of maturity or social competence. My fear is that with the game being as socially and community focused as it is (you don't need a beta to know that a FFA PvP focused game with penalties will require a lot of communication and team work), that even a few bad apples could theoretically ruin the batch.
I agree with the "wait and see" approach, but I'm still skeptical of how this is going to pan out.
Well, I suppose my experience has been different than most. My PvP time has been mostly in Shadowbane and EVE... two small communities that provide both in-game and out-of-game consequences (out of game meaning reputation and such). The more free the PvP, the less likely jerks will last long. That was true in Shadowbane and is pretty true in EVE too. Sure you will have the isolated few, but we refer to them as gnats and non-factors as their presense becomes less and less noticeable the longer the game lives.
In any case, I don't really feel like defending a game community that does not even exist
, but I think this one will turn out well if it can ever actually get a game heh.
I can see where you're coming from, but one thing to keep in mind when comparing DF to other PvP games is that a skill-based system will change a lot of things. It will take more effort to drive someone out of a game where you won't have a guaranteed win because of level difference or numbers advantages, or other similar factors.
And yes, I agree with the fact that it's rather pointless to either attack or defend the community, given the fact that the game hasn't even entered a closed beta stage (to our knowledge), so the community could easily change. I'm trying not to criticize the community, as it's still forming and changing. I'm aiming more for a "voicing my concerns" approach, as I know that there are certainly some intelligent and socially adept people in the DF community.
Nah its just a minority.
Anyhow I suppose people coming over saying DFO is fake and so on does get a little annoying and repetative. So people lash out I guess wish mods would just bann after 3 deletions in a small perioud of time.
As for DFO I can not wait for it to come out just hope it all works out the mini review is nothing new as others have said but sounds good. I guess the new stuff was edited out by Asp because of NDA.
The thing I like most is there still working on it day in day out thats all anyone can want. Untill they find a publisher I will just keep hoping that it all works out and does not turn into V-W like few other MMOs have. Remember the anti DFO guys it is not V-W as they have not said, it's still classed as in development so you just make yourself look silly with this V-W crap but then most of you don't do it to look silly you just want to come and wind people up and troll (notice I said most not all).
Anyhow just my 2cents.
I think the most intersting thing of all was the "all things crafted" part. Imo that's the best thing that will make darkfall stand up from the rest games out there.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
i think they went with self publishing but dont quote me on it
cause they do have a beta date know that they will annunce as the official WHen,is whats on everyone minds
I don't understand, they made him play a version that was a year old? Sounds like they are redoing the game yet again.
My guess, beta next summer hopefully, game released in the Winter.
na beta is this year the current version was going throw some stuff and was down atm
but they had a demo build ready so theyf ired it up which it was a online version and its was based on pvp parts some thing probly have changed for the better beta will be this year or they wouldnt have said they have pinpointed a beta date
Beta this year? I would bet all my pay checks for the next 10 years that there is no beta this year.
And I also do not believe that 20 people can build a mmorpg with the feature set that darkfall is supposed to have when it took around 80 seasoned professionals 4 years to build World of Warcraft with 100% proven skills and technology.
I don't think the fanboys even begin to realize how ridiculous this project probably looks to other professional development studios and how much it actually has to prove still.
What has darkfall proven in the last 7 years? Absolutely nothing if you ask me. I'll list darkfalls accomplishments in the last 7 years.
1. They have a website up that BTW looks extremely amateurish at best. I am employed as a professional graphic artist. I should know.
2. They released a few Alpha videos that show extremely basic things going on. Some horses running around and people swinging some weapons.
3. They showed up to E3 one year and did not even display their product.
Where are the videos of the siege systems and Sieges taking place? Where are the videos of the city systems and Cities being built dynamically? Where are the videos showing that their server technology can handle even a few hundred people on screen at once without bogging down to 5 FPS?
All of the competitors like AoC and Warhammer have these videos. Whats wrong with darkfall showing the same?
There has not been even a tiny glimpse that any of these (major features) are anywhere near being done or functioning in any kind of form.
Also , where is their Publisher that they have been seeking since early January? This fact alone shows that no one wants to publish this game after being given previews to what they have built so far. Why don't they if it's so grand??? Because it isn't otherwise they would of signed with one already long ago. Comen sense.
Please..... Until there is an actual public playable beta that shows all of thse things working smoothly this project is still a complete joke in my mind.
how about we just get along and make a friendly bet if there isnt beta by jan 2008
i will admit i was wrong but unless the devs are lieing its not later than jan
and see you dont understand how publishers think they coulda been the ones to reject the publishers cause ibet they wanted some kind of conrol on the game and darkfall devs wouldnt give it to them they decide to self publish anyways
plus if you notice all the publshers are going no sandboxes if you noticed maybe they dont want to deal with the bandwidth required to run the game or maybe they dotn want to be giving out free exspansions liek darkfall devs want 2
not having a publishers doesnt mean much it could BUT we are willing to take the chance that it could be BAD wE havent payed them a dime to work on the game
If you dont want to look at the other reason and stick to your opinions then just stfu we have heard it a million timrees WE know they didnt get a publishers and are self publishing WE dont care
Why do you care so much if its joke in your mind Why do you keep coming here and harrasing us with the same crap over and over and over again
its getting very nerve racking
ANd you look at all the negitive things
ok how about i say this
AOc WIll fail in my mind cause its will take a uber computer that alot of people dont have to play
LAGDEATH FTL you dont se eme over there saying this over and over and over what you just said has been said a million times WE DONT WANT TO HEAR IT so why dont you just go away and stop bring9ng your crap in a topic and hijacking it
Dark and Light couldn't find a Publisher either. The reason made itself clear after they showed what they really had.
And the excuse that no one wants to publish a sandbox PvP mmorg is starting to get old and is lame at best. Publishers will publish any style of game if it is high enough quality and they feel that it will bring back their investment.
If darkfall ends up "self publishing" then It's pretty safe to assume the reason for that is because the product was not high enough quality to be picked up by a name publisher.
WoW and you ignored the other reasons
dark and light would been fine if it wasnt a scammer company and they actully did what they promised plus it was click and watch combat crap
WHY DO YOU CARE
"WHY DO YOU CARE"
Why do you care to constantly post how amazing darkfall is?
Your excuse for why AoC will fail is also pretty lame. It will fail because it's graphics are too good??? Where do you come up with this stuff? From the darkfall fanboy excuse vault or something?
I just bought a computer for $900 that can run any game out right now at maximum settings with ease. Computers are cheap as dirt these days.
dude i was just saying i didnt really mean it
but its the same thing as sayign they havent shown us everything so its a joke WTF thats bullcrap
maybe there just a bit mroe secretive about there stuff what game has shown ton of stuff before beta anyways >.> none i dont htink must of the info on these new mmos came after beta started
if you look around i dont think TR has over 100 screenshots out or barly any gameplay vids
darkfall has over 400 screens and some ingame footage
darkfall doesnt even have a pr person they SUCK at pr and thats all