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Favoritism at SoE - a new PR Nightmare?

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  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Originally posted by Moirae


    It hasn't "tainted" anything for me. Its a game, guys. Just play. If you don't like it, then leave but quit complaining just because you don't like SOE. Sick to death of hearing the moaning. As for the comparisons to WoW, knock it off. If you can't understand how business works, thats YOUR problem, not theirs. There's already a thread for "I hate SOE", go use that one instead.
    You can always stop reading the threads if you don't like it, sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't change what was done.  Telling people that it is somehow 'good business' and not knowing the whole story isn't a reasonable solution either.  Companies think they can get away with this sort of stuff because of attitudes just like this.  No offense meant honestly. 

     

    I'm upset because I have had developers tell me to my face I could not move off the test server when they announced character copies were coming. They gave us a list of reasons why it wouldn't be possible.  The top on the list was that it wouldn't be fair to players on the live servers as test characters were "tainted".  

     

     

     

     

  • nothing2geinnothing2gein Member Posts: 176

    I really don't care about this. It has probably happened in every MMO I have ever played. It doesn't effect me so I don't care about it. It shouldn't happen but I am not going to worry about or get angry over it.

    Unless SOE hurts me directly, I will never jump on the SOE-Hater Bandwagon. I never played SWG so I can't be mad about the NGE and SOE has done a great job with EQ2, so I can overlook this little incident.

  • fozzie22fozzie22 Member Posts: 1,003

    Nice to see the old SOE trick of locking threads they dont like has come into play took them long enough tbh

  • RollotamasiRollotamasi Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 898

    I currently play EQ2. If the biggest   scandal / drama / whatever in my game is that some guild got a free character transfer...I consider myself lucky.

    -Currently looking forward to FFXIV

    -Currently playing EvE and Global Agenda

  • DijonCyanideDijonCyanide Member UncommonPosts: 586

     

     

      Defiintely seems unfair to allow free character &/or item transfers yet still charge a hefty fee to other customers wanting the same service.  Afterall, this transfer was from a test server.  Does sound like SOE's intentions for these test players were out of kindness, but not much thought/respect about how this might affect others on that server.  Anyone that doesn't understand the possible implications by this or similar happening on a server, whether it's PvP or PvE, seems to be short sighted.  Depending upon how much currency & what type of quality items could really harm or help a community. 

      Probably not much repercussions will happen though based on SOE's history.  Already it seems SOE is doing damage control too.  I could understand a sound arguement though for those legitimate players, not the test transfers, on the server disputing their current EQ2 subscription charges based upon discrimination.  Yes, yes there is the ol' mighty EULA, but since this is a business offering a product & a service even SOE is supposed to follow certain laws.  In the end though, SOE, the test transfers, & the legitimate players of that server have to ask themselves is it worth it?

  • lillinlillin Member Posts: 207

    I must admit i am enjoying this.

    In all reality i do like to play eq2, well i did ............ more and more SOE finds ways to break their own rules and rub it in everyones face.  Im glad they finally got caught red handed, serves em right.

    This goes far beyond the test server move to live servers, SOE has done many things over the years.  Some things were caught in the mainstream some were not and god only knows how many things went on with the customers and of course stock holders in the dark.

    You can probally do a search on SOE scams or what ever else and find a plethora of even better things then this.

    I've went into this on several threads already and just dont feel like repeating myself.  I'll just say grats SOE on finally wiping to the customers =) !

  • kb4blukb4blu Member UncommonPosts: 717

    I am not surprised by this.  I played EQII from the start until last October. (with a few breaks).

    Sadly like RL it seems in games today Its not what you know, but who you know.

     

  • HerodesHerodes Member UncommonPosts: 1,494

    Three years on a test-server in a PvE game, lol.

    The problem is not SOE here.
    The problem is envy.

  • Mountains... Molehills.... that kind of stuff.

    This is hardly a big deal, and also hardly compares with the EVE fiasco a while back about devs actively "cheating" for a guild (corp) that they were in.

    This whole thing reminds me of the US congress, where endless weeks and millions of dollars are spent on witch hunts over minor issues that might have been a mistake but are hardly earth shattering.

  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318

    Originally posted by Herodes

    Three years on a test-server in a PvE game, lol.

    The problem is not SOE here.

    The problem is envy.



    I couldn't agree more. They're just jealous and overreacting because of it. Its like a child in kindergarten thats mad because another child got an extra cookie.
    Originally posted by Laiina


    Mountains... Molehills.... that kind of stuff.
    This is hardly a big deal, and also hardly compares with the EVE fiasco a while back about devs actively "cheating" for a guild (corp) that they were in.
    This whole thing reminds me of the US congress, where endless weeks and millions of dollars are spent on witch hunts over minor issues that might have been a mistake but are hardly earth shattering.
    Yeah, but they sure are trying to find excuses to freak out over it. I think its a bunch of kids that don't like SOE in the first place so they're just looking for an excuse to complain.



    Its gotten old.

     

  • truenorthbgtruenorthbg Member Posts: 1,453

    I really do not play EQ 2 much anymore with the improvements at Vanguard, so I tend to avoid posting in forums of the games I do not play.

     

    Nevertheless, this makes me sick.  Favoritism is an unethical manner to execute GM duties, and I think the GM should be not only be fired but sued as well for the damage this does to SOE's reputation, subscriptions, trust the customers have in the company, etc.

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    I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.

  • MmoseaotterMmoseaotter Member Posts: 163

    Know what I love about playing mmorpg's, the fun I am having when I play them.

     

    I never heard this happened, never, I am having a blast playing at the moment and this did not effect me at all. I think most of you are just throwing out hate because you hate soe.

     

    Honestly, it has been years, EQ2 is a good game, let it go people, you dwell so much, find a new game and enjoy it if you do not like the game you are in.

     

    Spend so much time throwing hate on SOE, go play a different mmo with your time, instead of coming here to spread propaganda and hate.

    Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!

  • GreenHellGreenHell Member UncommonPosts: 1,323

    I dont think it is SOE hating on everyones part. The fact of the matter is that it is just wrong. Now you can say its not as bad as what happened in EVE. I would even agree with that but at what point should people complain? Does it have to become an EVE situation before people speak up? The rules were set by SOE. They expect you to follow all of their rules and yet  they go and break  their own damn rules. Its just plain stupid.  People complained and as far as I know the transfered characters were deleted. That wouldnt have happened if no one said anything. There are times when the consumer has to stand up for themselves.

    As far as SOE goes they just do a lot of stupid sh*t and get caught doing it. They make very public mistakes and never seem to learn from them. How hard would it have been to keep this whole thing quiet? To tell the people that they transfer to change their names and shut their mouth? The bad rep SOE has isnt just from haters its from the almost unbelievable ignorance that this company has when it concerns their own player base. I dont hate SOE. Infact I hope they are around in the MMO business forever. They never cease to amuse me and Im sure they teach a lot of valuable lessons to developers that have the intelligence to learn from their mistakes. SOE is the standard in what not to do to your community or game in the world of MMO's.

    I will give SOE some credit though. They have done a lot with VG. It has come a lot further in the time SOE has had it than it ever would have with SIgil. EQ 2 is also a quality game that has tons of content and expansions. I dont think people should stop playing EQ2 or any SOE game because of this. They should speak up though when SOE has one of its many momentary lapses in good judgment. You just need to understand when playing a SOE game that they have a really hard time predicting their customers reactions to just about anything. Even when its something as simple as following their own rules.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter



    I never heard this happened, never, I am having a blast playing at the moment and this did not effect me at all. I think most of you are just throwing out hate because you hate soe.
     


    Just because it doesn't personally affect you doesn't mean people should ignore the issue and sweep it under the rug.  In fact that kind of mentality is exactly what empowers companies to do this sort of thing and escalate them.

    Imagine that it did affect you and when you voiced your concern everyone told you to be quiet and just made up a bunch of motivations to discredit your views. 

     

    I don't know, but I would be very concerned if this was the first action by the new lead producer was to lie to the community and blame them for not accepting this.  *shrug*

     

     

  • fozzie22fozzie22 Member Posts: 1,003
    Originally posted by Daffid011


     
    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter



    I never heard this happened, never, I am having a blast playing at the moment and this did not effect me at all. I think most of you are just throwing out hate because you hate soe.
     


     

    Just because it doesn't personally affect you doesn't mean people should ignore the issue and sweep it under the rug.  In fact that kind of mentality is exactly what empowers companies to do this sort of thing and escalate them.

    Imagine that it did affect you and when you voiced your concern everyone told you to be quiet and just made up a bunch of motivations to discredit your views. 

     

    I don't know, but I would be very concerned if this was the first action by the new lead producer was to lie to the community and blame them for not accepting this.  *shrug*

     

     

    I would say in no way did bug bruce "lie" to the community it was just his less than half hearted apology that really got me down given it was his 2nd post on the forums in his new job he could have at least tried to see the players side of it if only to gain favour with them.

  • fozzie22fozzie22 Member Posts: 1,003
    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter


    Know what I love about playing mmorpg's, the fun I am having when I play them.
     
    I never heard this happened, never, I am having a blast playing at the moment and this did not effect me at all. I think most of you are just throwing out hate because you hate soe.
     
    Honestly, it has been years, EQ2 is a good game, let it go people, you dwell so much, find a new game and enjoy it if you do not like the game you are in.
     
    Spend so much time throwing hate on SOE, go play a different mmo with your time, instead of coming here to spread propaganda and hate.

    Its not propaganda or hate on my part at least just annoyance at FACTS of an incident that happened in the game that where caused soley by some fool at SOE.

  • safwdsafwd Member Posts: 879

    Everyone please step off of the soapbox. Now pick up a nearby sledgehammer and break the soap box.

    This is just a game, and SOE is just a game company. They didnt  actually do ANYTHING TO YOU.

    If you hate them so badly then just dont support their products.

    It really sad how some of you let a game cause you this much suffering.

    I have no problem with SOE, in fact i kind of like them.  Never once had an issue with customer support or anything else. Didnt like some changes they made in EQ but that was fine. At the end of the day they are just a company that provides a product, if i dont like the product then i wont by it.

     

    As to this problem, the guild coming over to your server probably didnt change your game play too much, it just pissed you off because you figured someone was getting hooked up. But it seems that they are moving all those characters back off the server so i guess you have no complaint now. Problem solved.

     

  • Jeff44Jeff44 Member Posts: 459

    Originally posted by LordSic


     
    Originally posted by Jeff44


    As has been said in this thread already, they never should have been allowed to changer servers...
    Or, to be fair, then everyone on the test servers should be allowed to transfer.
    If Sony decided to let this guild transfer, they should all have paid the $50 fee to do so...
    Or, to be fair,  Sony should waive the $50 fee for any transfer in the game.
    Today, people died because they had no food, or from a lack of essential medicine, or because someone planted an IED in a dead dogs corpse by the roadway.
    I have a difficult time getting overly concerned that a guild in an online game were allowed to transfer from one server to another for free.
    But, that's just me... 

      Cute comment but why with all the terrible things going on in the world are we playing games at all :)

     

    Or reading forums about video games.. surely theres some relief work to do elsewhere

    Because, in between my charity work, my support for the USO and volunteering at my local Democratic headquarters several hours a week, I like to kick back and play some MMOs - while trying to keep in perspective what is real and what is not, and what is important and what is not.

    How about you?

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  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by fozzie22

    Originally posted by Daffid011


     
    Originally posted by Mmoseaotter



    I never heard this happened, never, I am having a blast playing at the moment and this did not effect me at all. I think most of you are just throwing out hate because you hate soe.
     


     

    Just because it doesn't personally affect you doesn't mean people should ignore the issue and sweep it under the rug.  In fact that kind of mentality is exactly what empowers companies to do this sort of thing and escalate them.

    Imagine that it did affect you and when you voiced your concern everyone told you to be quiet and just made up a bunch of motivations to discredit your views. 

     

    I don't know, but I would be very concerned if this was the first action by the new lead producer was to lie to the community and blame them for not accepting this.  *shrug*

     

     

    I would say in no way did bug bruce "lie" to the community it was just his less than half hearted apology that really got me down given it was his 2nd post on the forums in his new job he could have at least tried to see the players side of it if only to gain favour with them.

    I was referring to the removal of items, but I agree with you.

  • Originally posted by safwd


    This is just a game, and SOE is just a game company. They didnt  actually do ANYTHING TO YOU. 
    You would never know that just reading some of the way over the top comments.

    It's not the end of the world, and the sky is not falling.

    As the old saying goes, a tempest in a teapot.

  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    Originally posted by Laiina


     
    Originally posted by safwd


    This is just a game, and SOE is just a game company. They didnt  actually do ANYTHING TO YOU. 
    You would never know that just reading some of the way over the top comments.

     

    It's not the end of the world, and the sky is not falling.

    As the old saying goes, a tempest in a teapot.

    Yes, exactly. Some have decided to turn a molehill into a mountain and frankly, it makes them look very bad that they'd overreact so badly over something so small.

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810
    Originally posted by Moirae

    Originally posted by Laiina


     
    Originally posted by safwd


    This is just a game, and SOE is just a game company. They didnt  actually do ANYTHING TO YOU. 
    You would never know that just reading some of the way over the top comments.

     

    It's not the end of the world, and the sky is not falling.

    As the old saying goes, a tempest in a teapot.

    Yes, exactly. Some have decided to turn a molehill into a mountain and frankly, it makes them look very bad that they'd overreact so badly over something so small.

     

    If you look at the posting record of many of the people complaining the loudest, it’s pretty clear they don’t even play EQ2. They are more interested in complaining about EQ2 or SOE then they are concerned about this having some impact on their own play. 

     

    This isn’t at all like the FoH debacle in WoW where other players certainly were impacted in a big way and nothing at all was done to rectify the situation. This isn’t a PvP server where these people could hurt someone else and the guild involved isn’t a serious threat for contested mobs. The situation is far less serious and anyone halfway reasonable would have to admit SOE’s response has been better then average for when these types of things occur.  (And occur they will. Developers and GM’s are people and make mistakes in every single game out there.)
  • ThalosVipavThalosVipav Member Posts: 273

    Originally posted by lomiller

    Originally posted by Moirae

    Originally posted by Laiina


     
    Originally posted by safwd


    This is just a game, and SOE is just a game company. They didnt  actually do ANYTHING TO YOU. 
    You would never know that just reading some of the way over the top comments.

     

    It's not the end of the world, and the sky is not falling.

    As the old saying goes, a tempest in a teapot.

    Yes, exactly. Some have decided to turn a molehill into a mountain and frankly, it makes them look very bad that they'd overreact so badly over something so small.

     

    If you look at the posting record of many of the people complaining the loudest, it’s pretty clear they don’t even play EQ2. They are more interested in complaining about EQ2 or SOE then they are concerned about this having some impact on their own play. 

     

    This is just an ignorant statement. Just because someone doesnt post on a games boards doesnt mean they dont play it. I have played many games that I havent posted about.

    And even SOE supporters are in this thread stating they are upset. Fozzy comes to mind (/tiphat)

    At any rate, I read this thread cause it had some interest to me. And no, I dont play EQ2. As you can see from my sig I have no love for SOE as a former SWG player. But, this thread interested me in it shows how SOE is still treating its customers.

    I find it funny that there are some people that so blindly support SOE that they cant see how this would impact the game. Blindly supporting is just as bad as blindly hating.

    For all of you that are here saying "It's no big deal. They didnt do anything to you. Blah Blah Blah" Just wait till they do something that does effect you and then talk to me about how upset you are. Just because they didnt outwardly delete your character doesnt mean things that happen in your game world dont effect you. Or, for instance, they take something you worked for 2 years to get and make it so everyone can get it the second they start up the game.

    Let people complain about something they feel is unjust, your little flames of them only fuel the fires.

    Thalos Vipav
    Star Wars Galaxies: R.I.P.

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    Originally posted by ThalosVipav 
    For all of you that are here saying "It's no big deal. They didnt do anything to you. Blah Blah Blah" Just wait till they do something that does effect you and then talk to me about how upset you are. Just because they didnt outwardly delete your character doesnt mean things that happen in your game world dont effect you. Or, for instance, they take something you worked for 2 years to get and make it so everyone can get it the second they start up the game.
    Let people complain about something they feel is unjust, your little flames of them only fuel the fires.
    people have right to complain

    but many (not all) of the people complaining here never have or no longer play EQ2

     

    my advice to the people that DO play and are upset,

    vote with your cash -- quit EQ2

     

    otherwise voice your opinion and move on

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810
    Originally posted by ThalosVipav


     
    Originally posted by lomiller

    Originally posted by Moirae

    Originally posted by Laiina


     
    Originally posted by safwd


    This is just a game, and SOE is just a game company. They didnt  actually do ANYTHING TO YOU. 
    You would never know that just reading some of the way over the top comments.

     

    It's not the end of the world, and the sky is not falling.

    As the old saying goes, a tempest in a teapot.

    Yes, exactly. Some have decided to turn a molehill into a mountain and frankly, it makes them look very bad that they'd overreact so badly over something so small.

     

    If you look at the posting record of many of the people complaining the loudest, it’s pretty clear they don’t even play EQ2. They are more interested in complaining about EQ2 or SOE then they are concerned about this having some impact on their own play. 

     

    This is just an ignorant statement. Just because someone doesnt post on a games boards doesnt mean they dont play it. I have played many games that I havent posted about.

     

    And even SOE supporters are in this thread stating they are upset. Fozzy comes to mind (/tiphat)

    At any rate, I read this thread cause it had some interest to me. And no, I dont play EQ2. As you can see from my sig I have no love for SOE as a former SWG player. But, this thread interested me in it shows how SOE is still treating its customers.

    I find it funny that there are some people that so blindly support SOE that they cant see how this would impact the game. Blindly supporting is just as bad as blindly hating.

    For all of you that are here saying "It's no big deal. They didnt do anything to you. Blah Blah Blah" Just wait till they do something that does effect you and then talk to me about how upset you are. Just because they didnt outwardly delete your character doesnt mean things that happen in your game world dont effect you. Or, for instance, they take something you worked for 2 years to get and make it so everyone can get it the second they start up the game.

    Let people complain about something they feel is unjust, your little flames of them only fuel the fires.

     

    The point is they didn’t do anything that effects anyone. The guild in question isn’t in the running for contested mobs and it isn’t a PvP server where another players equipment can help them kill you. 

     

    Yes, it was a mistake on SOE’s part, or more accurately the people within SOE who made a decision to do something counter to SOE policy. Yes that doesn’t sit right with some people, but this doesn’t change the fact that it has no direct impact on their play.

     

    And yes there certainly are people posting in this thread who clearly do not play EQ2. Daffid001 has a history going back several years dropping into the EQ2 forum to tell people “what a bad game EQ2 is” and getting his/her facts wrong most of the time and clearly hasn’t played EQ2 in over 2 years if ever.
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