Too bad , 200k Vets would have been a nice thank you gift for SOE.
You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
Who are you? BTW you aren't here to just to change anyones opinion about the game so you are in fact trolling.
wtf ! my post about compare our SWG hobby with that of an rosegrower got deleted and these 11 days noob can troll the vet forums ?????
fair moderation please !!
can remember your own words on Dec 23 ?
"I've heard great things about SWG from loads of people and sites over the past few months, I'm thinkingof trying it but want to know if it will suit me, can you guys please help me?
Games I enjoy;
Ryzom
Warcraft online
EVE
Thanks."
Now after 11 days you know all and everything ??
c'mmon , back to server to get you some ingame experience so that you know what you talk about even about the current version.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Originally posted by GreenHell Originally posted by JestorRodo mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/9.ViewChart Originally posted by Jenus1 Originally posted by JestorRodo Originally posted by Jenus1 Originally posted by JestorRodo Too bad , 200k Vets would have been a nice thank you gift for SOE.
You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care. Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/9.ViewChart I am amazed that you are unaware of the trues loses due to the mismanagement of SWG . Its the purple line on the chart above . Got Goat? According to that chart Toontown has almost double the subs of SWG. Dont let Smed see those numbers or the next Chapter for SWG is going to have talking mice, ducks and dogs.
From what I remember Toontown is published by sony platform publishing so it wont shake soe's tree that much. Of course that could have changed too.
Originally posted by DarthRaiden wtf ! my post about compare our SWG hobby with that of an rosegrower got deleted and these 11 days noob can troll the vet forums ????? fair moderation please !! can remember your own words on Dec 23 ? "I've heard great things about SWG from loads of people and sites over the past few months, I'm thinking of trying it but want to know if it will suit me, can you guys please help me?
Games I enjoy; Ryzom Warcraft online EVE Thanks." Now after 11 days you know all and everything ?? c'mmon , back to server to get you some ingame experience so that you know what you talk about even about the running version.
janus1 is a troll???? Wha...??? But I believed in him, I believed he wasn't just a troll but now there's proof and now my whole world is crashing down around me. If I can't believe in janus1 than who can I trust? WHO? /cry
and no janus1, I will not get over this! /crymore /wrists
Too bad , 200k Vets would have been a nice thank you gift for SOE.
You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
I am amazed that you are unaware of the trues loses due to the mismanagement of SWG . Its the purple line on the chart above . Got Goat?
Sigh, yet another unofficial source you base your claims on. Wheres the facts? Do you have any?
That site even says it's not accurate and is just a guess. Useless conjecture is all you spew.
Yeah, but isn't that the same source that Chris Cao (or some other lackey at SOE/LA) used to defend the NGE here?
My Lord, Jenus1 is fighing hard for the NGE. Its a shame that the Mods here deleted my genius comparision with Clarence the wingless angel showing up on Christmas Eve to save George Bailey.
Jenus , this is a hostile enviroment to express your pro NGE views. ( like Nicks bar) . When I post in what is now general , I trend lightly. I reccommend the same course of action for you here.
There is more then enough proof that SOE mismanged SWG. I could quote Smed on that. You will have to accept that not everyone is going to come back to SWG and we reserve the right to let you know why.
I'm not here to discuss the NGE, I'm simply here to see what facts you have to back-up your claims, at the moment it seems that you have absolutely none at-all, unless you care to prove me wrong?
You are only here to see what facts I have? The facts are all around you but you seem to be in a SOE Sugar Plum rush from playing SWG-NGE for the past 10 days to stop and read them.
You really should not post here , The General is right above. There you can live in a fantasy world believing all is well with SWG. Here will all know better and with your truly with less then a week away from 3 year anniversary of injustice from SOE (Love that Jestor!) I know more then anyone.
Yet again you give me no solid proof or links to back up your claims, the only thing i see all around me is useless conjecture with no proof to back it up, which is why i suppose your diluting the debate by once again attempting to insult me. If the facts are indeed 'All around me' as you claim, perhaps present a link or two.
Thanks for reading.
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
Yet again you give me no solid proof or links to back up your claims, the only thing i see all around me is useless conjecture with no proof to back it up, which is why i suppose your diluting the debate by once again attempting to insult me. If the facts are indeed 'All around me' as you claim, perhaps present a link or two.
Thanks for reading.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Yet again you give me no solid proof or links to back up your claims, the only thing i see all around me is useless conjecture with no proof to back it up, which is why i suppose your diluting the debate by once again attempting to insult me. If the facts are indeed 'All around me' as you claim, perhaps present a link or two.
Thanks for reading.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Cheers.
Well i am glad someone finally answered me straight, I wonder however why that jestor person didn't just answer me straight and say he had no proof or facts >.<.
Guess he/she felt a little bewildered.
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
Originally posted by Jenus1 Originally posted by tman5 Originally posted by Jenus1 Yet again you give me no solid proof or links to back up your claims, the only thing i see all around me is useless conjecture with no proof to back it up, which is why i suppose your diluting the debate by once again attempting to insult me. If the facts are indeed 'All around me' as you claim, perhaps present a link or two.
Thanks for reading.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen. Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE. However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration. Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game. (And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. ) Cheers.
Well i am glad someone finally answered me straight, I wonder however why that jestor person didn't just answer me straight and say he had no proof or facts >.<.
Guess he/she felt a little bewildered.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
Yet again you give me no solid proof or links to back up your claims, the only thing i see all around me is useless conjecture with no proof to back it up, which is why i suppose your diluting the debate by once again attempting to insult me. If the facts are indeed 'All around me' as you claim, perhaps present a link or two.
Thanks for reading.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Cheers.
Well i am glad someone finally answered me straight, I wonder however why that jestor person didn't just answer me straight and say he had no proof or facts >.<.
Guess he/she felt a little bewildered.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake. thanks for reading.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
Originally posted by Jenus1 Originally posted by PreCU
Originally posted by Jenus1
Originally posted by PreCU why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake. thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
Too bad , 200k Vets would have been a nice thank you gift for SOE.
You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
I am amazed that you are unaware of the trues loses due to the mismanagement of SWG . Its the purple line on the chart above . Got Goat?
According to that chart Toontown has almost double the subs of SWG. Dont let Smed see those numbers or the next Chapter for SWG is going to have talking mice, ducks and dogs.
From what I remember Toontown is published by sony platform publishing so it wont shake soe's tree that much. Of course that could have changed too.
LOL I think you are right. This may be a game they actually just published and didnt end up owning. Go Mickey!!
And yet, you still manage to miserably fail to grasp it. Here, let me explain it slowly to you. Free levels means you get levels for ZERO effort or ZERO time investment. This chip in no way gives you anything for free. It's a discount on time investment, there is nothing free. The fact that you are splitting hairs about such an obvious concept like I'm the one who fails to grasp the difference between discounted and free is amazing. Hey, why don't you run into CompUSA, and go put your theory to the test at the discount table. See if you make it to the parking lot with your "free" merchandise. It's cute that you have the nerve to claim "it's not a difficult concept" as the concept goes whooshing over your head at 100mph.
I am afraid you are splitting hairs. This device gives free Xp for people to lazy or dumb to get it the good old fashioned way and, like it or not, free Xp = free levels.
I was going to say it seems kinda like splitting hairs to me also, but then I saw you already did .
The observation is that SOE is attempting to entice people to play by making level up faster and easier with their giveaway chip. It seems gimmicky. Mind games, word games, number games and gimmicks = what I've seen from SOE for years now.
Every once in a while they'll say something honest (the NGE was a mistake). I don't know if that means a light has come on somewhere, or if it's just another gimmick though at this point.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
You want a cold hard fact about SWG and it's population and fall?
On Tatooine, go to Bestine. Go to Fort Tusken.
On Naboo, go to Theed, Moenia, and the Emperor's Retreat.
Corellia? Coronet.
Dantooine? Lok? Dathomir? Yavin IV? Endor? Go to any spaceport.
Heck, go to Restuss.
Go around and see the "crowd" of people. Go to the Cantinas, Starports, Cloning Centers, Medical Centers, and Bazaars. Find a crowd yet?
How about well-known, successful crafters? Know any of their shopping centers? Do they have a number of people browsing their selection?
How about groups? Okay, say you get into one. Go explore or travel about in the game. How many other player groups do you come across?
In all likeliness you will find very, very few. I used to be on one of the most populated servers, Ahazi. Ahazi is now a pitiful state in player population that when I visit using my Sister's account (which used to be mine), I'm STILL amazed and depressed by how far it had fallen.
Back before the NGE, we had crowds of people on Ahazi. It was the same on Bria. It was the same on Chimaera. It was the same on Wanderhome. Coronet, Theed, Bestine, Mos Eisley were major hubs for player traffic. Med Centers, Cantinas, Starports, Bazaars, all had players out and about. Hunting Parties were numerous for a variety of reasons: Gaining XPs, helping a buddy get XPs, getting organic resources, working on a new Template, etc. There were ALWAYS Hunting Groups, especially on the dangerous worlds from Dantooine onwards. It wasn't surprising to find Crafters out in the middle of nowhere, tending to their Harvesters. It was also not surprising to be hired by a Crafter to be their Bodyguard while they tend to their Harvesters. Why? There was quite a number of players who completedly dedicated their gaming to Crafting and Business. They did not put an ounce into any combat skill. So they hired players to escort them as they did their runs. The main thing was that there were lots of people to interact with.
And now it's gone. All gone.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
You want a cold hard fact about SWG and it's population and fall? On Tatooine, go to Bestine. Go to Fort Tusken. On Naboo, go to Theed, Moenia, and the Emperor's Retreat. Corellia? Coronet. Dantooine? Lok? Dathomir? Yavin IV? Endor? Go to any spaceport. Heck, go to Restuss. Go around and see the "crowd" of people. Go to the Cantinas, Starports, Cloning Centers, Medical Centers, and Bazaars. Find a crowd yet? How about well-known, successful crafters? Know any of their shopping centers? Do they have a number of people browsing their selection? How about groups? Okay, say you get into one. Go explore or travel about in the game. How many other player groups do you come across? In all likeliness you will find very, very few. I used to be on one of the most populated servers, Ahazi. Ahazi is now a pitiful state in player population that when I visit using my Sister's account (which used to be mine), I'm STILL amazed and depressed by how far it had fallen. Back before the NGE, we had crowds of people on Ahazi. It was the same on Bria. It was the same on Chimaera. It was the same on Wanderhome. Coronet, Theed, Bestine, Mos Eisley were major hubs for player traffic. Med Centers, Cantinas, Starports, Bazaars, all had players out and about. Hunting Parties were numerous for a variety of reasons: Gaining XPs, helping a buddy get XPs, getting organic resources, working on a new Template, etc. There were ALWAYS Hunting Groups, especially on the dangerous worlds from Dantooine onwards. It wasn't surprising to find Crafters out in the middle of nowhere, tending to their Harvesters. It was also not surprising to be hired by a Crafter to be their Bodyguard while they tend to their Harvesters. Why? There was quite a number of players who completedly dedicated their gaming to Crafting and Business. They did not put an ounce into any combat skill. So they hired players to escort them as they did their runs. The main thing was that there were lots of people to interact with. And now it's gone. All gone.
/appaud
Very well said. Those that can't accept what happened to the game (because they did not play before the NGE fiasco) have nothing to compare the NGE to. Denial may make them happy, but it does not change the reality. This also applies to the rabid fanbois that have played all along and swear there are players everywhere, but they are out & about somewhere else you are not and /anon to searches.
http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/tryswg/ I generally try not to bash SOE because - well - most of you guys are so much better at it than I. But this is just embarrassing. Order SWG now and get a "cybernetic experience chip" as a reward? Free levels for n00bs. Skip all that pesky working for your levels. It's official. SOE has given up on retreiving vets.
SOE officially gave up on retrieving vets when the NGE went live.
Everything thereafter is just salt in the wound.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz] AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
Originally posted by Jenus1 Originally posted by PreCU
Originally posted by Jenus1
Originally posted by PreCU
Originally posted by Jenus1 Originally posted by PreCU
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake. thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive. Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it. thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
And jenus1 do you know what ? i can safely claim that current active subscription population is about 10.000 peeps the most and you can't show me facts contradict that >.<
There was people in the past -in a attempt to collect numbers $OE denying to publish - who listened to server/client communication regarding the display of server state in terms of low/medium/high. Their numbers backed up a theory of low population. If i remember right a number like ~50.000 was thrown around and meanwhile the pop is not magically went dramatic up rather went down.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Well, my thread was very efficiently hijacked (and, yes, I helped).
The original point I intended was that by SOE offering an experience boost to low levels - where none is needed, given there are plenty of available quests for experience - instead of the mid to higher levels - where most departed vets fall and where there is a well-known quest / experience desert - shows me SOE has abandoned their stated desire to regain lost veterans.
Originally posted by xPaladin Originally posted by tman5 http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/tryswg/ I generally try not to bash SOE because - well - most of you guys are so much better at it than I. But this is just embarrassing. Order SWG now and get a "cybernetic experience chip" as a reward? Free levels for n00bs. Skip all that pesky working for your levels. It's official. SOE has given up on retreiving vets.
SOE officially gave up on retrieving vets when the NGE went live. Everything thereafter is just salt in the wound.
I have to agree with xPaladin here. Even when they add back old systems like beast master, it's not for vets, it's for people that like NGE. You can't really even say they're adding back old systems cause it's NGE. You can't add preCU systems to NGE.
As an ower of 4 accounts that have been active for almost 4 years...I would like to make few points
1. the poup is not even close to what it was on the last day of the CU this was after the orginal exdous PRE-CU to CU..
2. As far as the buddy chip no biggie it was far easier to level as combat ready toon PRE-CU(could master 2 proff in about 8 hours) and even in the CU(matster 2 proffs in about 72 hours game time) as oppsed to the NGE(straight playing no exploits around 2 weeks worth of game time) some help there is need.
3. The atempt by SOE to increase subs, before they report to lucas in feburary, is pretty futile as most my buddies have already played and left or are current playing SWG.
4. the contant editions are not to gain ol vets, would soe like them yes but not really a driving force it to keep there current players as this game as been marketed to about everone that could play it.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
Once again you fail you include proof or facts to back up your claim, I can't move this debate forward if you can't catch-up.
Pre-cu Fanbois, There will be no rollback. Go outside - Get a life, It's not coming back. We arn't giving you your game-back. So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years. Pre-cu Fanbois.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
Once again you fail you include proof or facts to back up your claim, I can't move this debate forward if you can't catch-up.
I cant see it with my fricken eyes heres the servers I curently have toons on
Bloodfinn shell of it former self less today then there has ever been
Eclispe again nothing but tubleweed compared to what it used to be
Sunnrunner wasnt a high poup to begin with even less now ghost town felel
Shawdowfire again not crazy high poup to begin with but now the poup is so low I pretty much know everone that play on this server by real life frist name
Wanderhome ghost town
I been around a long time 4 years and I have never seen the poup this low across multi servers...more surpising is the finn as it is a popluar place for tranfers cause of the leetness of it PvP but that for most part is dead compared to 6 months ago
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You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
Who are you? BTW you aren't here to just to change anyones opinion about the game so you are in fact trolling.And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
wtf ! my post about compare our SWG hobby with that of an rosegrower got deleted and these 11 days noob can troll the vet forums ?????
fair moderation please !!
can remember your own words on Dec 23 ?
"I've heard great things about SWG from loads of people and sites over the past few months, I'm thinking of trying it but want to know if it will suit me, can you guys please help me?
Games I enjoy;
Ryzom
Warcraft online
EVE
Thanks."
Now after 11 days you know all and everything ??
c'mmon , back to server to get you some ingame experience so that you know what you talk about even about the current version.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/9.ViewChart
I am amazed that you are unaware of the trues loses due to the mismanagement of SWG . Its the purple line on the chart above . Got Goat?
According to that chart Toontown has almost double the subs of SWG. Dont let Smed see those numbers or the next Chapter for SWG is going to have talking mice, ducks and dogs.
From what I remember Toontown is published by sony platform publishing so it wont shake soe's tree that much. Of course that could have changed too.
Playing Fallen Earth.
janus1 is a troll???? Wha...???
But I believed in him, I believed he wasn't just a troll but now there's proof and now my whole world is crashing down around me. If I can't believe in janus1 than who can I trust? WHO? 
/cry
and no janus1, I will not get over this!
/crymore /wrists
You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/9.ViewChart
I am amazed that you are unaware of the trues loses due to the mismanagement of SWG . Its the purple line on the chart above . Got Goat?
Sigh, yet another unofficial source you base your claims on. Wheres the facts? Do you have any?
That site even says it's not accurate and is just a guess. Useless conjecture is all you spew.
Yeah, but isn't that the same source that Chris Cao (or some other lackey at SOE/LA) used to defend the NGE here?
My Lord, Jenus1 is fighing hard for the NGE. Its a shame that the Mods here deleted my genius comparision with Clarence the wingless angel showing up on Christmas Eve to save George Bailey.
Jenus , this is a hostile enviroment to express your pro NGE views. ( like Nicks bar) . When I post in what is now general , I trend lightly. I reccommend the same course of action for you here.
There is more then enough proof that SOE mismanged SWG. I could quote Smed on that. You will have to accept that not everyone is going to come back to SWG and we reserve the right to let you know why.
I'm not here to discuss the NGE, I'm simply here to see what facts you have to back-up your claims, at the moment it seems that you have absolutely none at-all, unless you care to prove me wrong?
You are only here to see what facts I have? The facts are all around you but you seem to be in a SOE Sugar Plum rush from playing SWG-NGE for the past 10 days to stop and read them.
You really should not post here , The General is right above. There you can live in a fantasy world believing all is well with SWG. Here will all know better and with your truly with less then a week away from 3 year anniversary of injustice from SOE (Love that Jestor!) I know more then anyone.
Yet again you give me no solid proof or links to back up your claims, the only thing i see all around me is useless conjecture with no proof to back it up, which is why i suppose your diluting the debate by once again attempting to insult me. If the facts are indeed 'All around me' as you claim, perhaps present a link or two.
Thanks for reading.
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Cheers.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Cheers.
Well i am glad someone finally answered me straight, I wonder however why that jestor person didn't just answer me straight and say he had no proof or facts >.<.
Guess he/she felt a little bewildered.
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Cheers.
Well i am glad someone finally answered me straight, I wonder however why that jestor person didn't just answer me straight and say he had no proof or facts >.<.
Guess he/she felt a little bewildered.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
Jenus1,
The facts you seek are not available to the common person such as you, I and the rest on this forum. This is because SOE declines to post the subscriber numbers for SWG. Blizzard gladly posts the numbers for WoW. This speaks volumes for those who listen.
Any numbers or links provided here would be, as you say, unofficial. They are based on figures gathered from a number of sources and direct observation over the years, tracking SWG's decline in subscriptions from a high of about 300k to a low of about 50K. None of this can be objectively proven - again, because the official figures are locked away by SOE.
However, most of us were there at or near launch, lived through the CU/NGE, saw our friends list dry up, watched server populations plunge substantially and have returned on several occasions to observe not much - if any - improvement in those numbers. Even in a court of law, observation is acceptable evidence when corroborated by others. There is plenty of corroboration.
Your choice is to accept what we say or not. Neither choice should affect your enjoyment of the game.
(And please stop quoting quotes of quotes of quotes. My god. )
Cheers.
Well i am glad someone finally answered me straight, I wonder however why that jestor person didn't just answer me straight and say he had no proof or facts >.<.
Guess he/she felt a little bewildered.
why do you now accept the concept an educated guess based on observation, but not when jestor gave his? Did you assume jestor was trying to pass off the 200k figure as quoted fact?
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
You mean 200k - the ones who have moved on - the ones who dont care anymore - the ones who have gone back - one people who have died(RIP)?
That number seems to shoot between 150k and 700k , at-least show some facts.
Fact: You are a troll
Fact: SOE lost over 200k due to the changes of the CU and NGE. Yes even the one that have moved on. The ones that have died? Man, you are one morbid dude. Since I was screwed over long before these landmarked changes to the game, I still care. Welcome to the Vets Refuge, We all care.
Fact: You are still a troll, Lucky for me, I know how to handle trolls and point them back to the bridges they should be living under waiting for wayfaring billygoats.
And yet you still present no facts to back-up your claims?
I simply state the facts, you obviously misunderstand that and confuse it with trolling.
mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/9.ViewChart
I am amazed that you are unaware of the trues loses due to the mismanagement of SWG . Its the purple line on the chart above . Got Goat?
According to that chart Toontown has almost double the subs of SWG. Dont let Smed see those numbers or the next Chapter for SWG is going to have talking mice, ducks and dogs.
From what I remember Toontown is published by sony platform publishing so it wont shake soe's tree that much. Of course that could have changed too.
LOL I think you are right. This may be a game they actually just published and didnt end up owning. Go Mickey!!
I can see Chapter 10 now....
I am afraid you are splitting hairs. This device gives free Xp for people to lazy or dumb to get it the good old fashioned way and, like it or not, free Xp = free levels.
I was going to say it seems kinda like splitting hairs to me also, but then I saw you already did
The observation is that SOE is attempting to entice people to play by making level up faster and easier with their giveaway chip. It seems gimmicky. Mind games, word games, number games and gimmicks = what I've seen from SOE for years now.
Every once in a while they'll say something honest (the NGE was a mistake). I don't know if that means a light has come on somewhere, or if it's just another gimmick though at this point.
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.
You want a cold hard fact about SWG and it's population and fall?
On Tatooine, go to Bestine. Go to Fort Tusken.
On Naboo, go to Theed, Moenia, and the Emperor's Retreat.
Corellia? Coronet.
Dantooine? Lok? Dathomir? Yavin IV? Endor? Go to any spaceport.
Heck, go to Restuss.
Go around and see the "crowd" of people. Go to the Cantinas, Starports, Cloning Centers, Medical Centers, and Bazaars. Find a crowd yet?
How about well-known, successful crafters? Know any of their shopping centers? Do they have a number of people browsing their selection?
How about groups? Okay, say you get into one. Go explore or travel about in the game. How many other player groups do you come across?
In all likeliness you will find very, very few. I used to be on one of the most populated servers, Ahazi. Ahazi is now a pitiful state in player population that when I visit using my Sister's account (which used to be mine), I'm STILL amazed and depressed by how far it had fallen.
Back before the NGE, we had crowds of people on Ahazi. It was the same on Bria. It was the same on Chimaera. It was the same on Wanderhome. Coronet, Theed, Bestine, Mos Eisley were major hubs for player traffic. Med Centers, Cantinas, Starports, Bazaars, all had players out and about. Hunting Parties were numerous for a variety of reasons: Gaining XPs, helping a buddy get XPs, getting organic resources, working on a new Template, etc. There were ALWAYS Hunting Groups, especially on the dangerous worlds from Dantooine onwards. It wasn't surprising to find Crafters out in the middle of nowhere, tending to their Harvesters. It was also not surprising to be hired by a Crafter to be their Bodyguard while they tend to their Harvesters. Why? There was quite a number of players who completedly dedicated their gaming to Crafting and Business. They did not put an ounce into any combat skill. So they hired players to escort them as they did their runs. The main thing was that there were lots of people to interact with.
And now it's gone. All gone.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
/appaud
Very well said. Those that can't accept what happened to the game (because they did not play before the NGE fiasco) have nothing to compare the NGE to. Denial may make them happy, but it does not change the reality. This also applies to the rabid fanbois that have played all along and swear there are players everywhere, but they are out & about somewhere else you are not and /anon to searches.
SOE officially gave up on retrieving vets when the NGE went live.
Everything thereafter is just salt in the wound.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
And jenus1 do you know what ? i can safely claim that current active subscription population is about 10.000 peeps the most and you can't show me facts contradict that >.<
There was people in the past -in a attempt to collect numbers $OE denying to publish - who listened to server/client communication regarding the display of server state in terms of low/medium/high. Their numbers backed up a theory of low population. If i remember right a number like ~50.000 was thrown around and meanwhile the pop is not magically went dramatic up rather went down.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Well, my thread was very efficiently hijacked (and, yes, I helped).
The original point I intended was that by SOE offering an experience boost to low levels - where none is needed, given there are plenty of available quests for experience - instead of the mid to higher levels - where most departed vets fall and where there is a well-known quest / experience desert - shows me SOE has abandoned their stated desire to regain lost veterans.
I find this a very interesting shift in strategy.
Everything thereafter is just salt in the wound.
I have to agree with xPaladin here. Even when they add back old systems like beast master, it's not for vets, it's for people that like NGE. You can't really even say they're adding back old systems cause it's NGE. You can't add preCU systems to NGE.
As an ower of 4 accounts that have been active for almost 4 years...I would like to make few points
1. the poup is not even close to what it was on the last day of the CU this was after the orginal exdous PRE-CU to CU..
2. As far as the buddy chip no biggie it was far easier to level as combat ready toon PRE-CU(could master 2 proff in about 8 hours) and even in the CU(matster 2 proffs in about 72 hours game time) as oppsed to the NGE(straight playing no exploits around 2 weeks worth of game time) some help there is need.
3. The atempt by SOE to increase subs, before they report to lucas in feburary, is pretty futile as most my buddies have already played and left or are current playing SWG.
4. the contant editions are not to gain ol vets, would soe like them yes but not really a driving force it to keep there current players as this game as been marketed to about everone that could play it.
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
Once again you fail you include proof or facts to back up your claim, I can't move this debate forward if you can't catch-up.
Pre-cu Fanbois,
There will be no rollback.
Go outside - Get a life,
It's not coming back.
We arn't giving you your game-back.
So go outside, and realize that you've wasted 2 years.
Pre-cu Fanbois.
He seemed so confident i didn't think he was lying and making it up without any proof.
ok, so you assumed. Your mistake. If you had much more than a couple weeks of experience with swg you would not have made that mistake.
thanks for reading.
Luckily I didn't assume for long, i requested proof which he couldn't deliver, luckily i uncovered the full story, there is no proof. From 2003-2006 I was serving my country in Iraq, therefore i couldn't play SWG, i had more important things to do, such as keep my squad alive.
Thanks for reading.
No proof? I thought you understood what tman5 said. You should read it again. What you really mean is that it wasn't the proof you were looking for. And you did ask for (better) proof, but you still did not understand where jestor's estimation came from until tman5 explained it.
thx for serving the country. Now I know why you lack the ability to understand common swg knowledge. Not that I asked.
I am under the influence that things need to be backed up by facts and proof for it to be valid, not just guesses and estimates, sadly this knowledge doesn't seem to be compulsory in this forum.
Ya, I know you need better proof cause you certainly lack the experience. We covered this already. Not that I wouldn't like to see stats from SOE headquarters, but I at least have the experience to understand how valid estimations of mass decreases in population are.
Once again you fail you include proof or facts to back up your claim, I can't move this debate forward if you can't catch-up.
I cant see it with my fricken eyes heres the servers I curently have toons on
Bloodfinn shell of it former self less today then there has ever been
Eclispe again nothing but tubleweed compared to what it used to be
Sunnrunner wasnt a high poup to begin with even less now ghost town felel
Shawdowfire again not crazy high poup to begin with but now the poup is so low I pretty much know everone that play on this server by real life frist name
Wanderhome ghost town
I been around a long time 4 years and I have never seen the poup this low across multi servers...more surpising is the finn as it is a popluar place for tranfers cause of the leetness of it PvP but that for most part is dead compared to 6 months ago