I have been reading FoH since 02....and they were around before I found em. A raiding guild site, but for yrs them and a couple others were the top dogs in EQ. When a nonsense story is posted, folks have a habit of ripping it apart. I generally dont post....cause it seems like the whole site jumps on nitwits just posting to post(Or nonsense).
JestorRoto from the vet area has been there a few times. Look for his posts in the Rickshaw. Sam Deathwalker in the HoF is also some good reading.
I firmly believe this info is real. Not that I actually know anyone there, just over the yrs when someone with a FoH tag starts running on....more often than not it is true. I had seen Smed/Brad/hartsman/various others post there over the yrs....Curt Schilling has an ongoing thread about his new game company. FoH has warned me about many of sorry games coming out over the yrs. Great site if you dont have a thin skin.
I logged in VG during the free time over holiday....noob area was deserted, but game didnt seem to run bad on my system...2.4G intel duo core, ATI 1650 card, and 2G RAM. Not a fancy rig, put it together last yr for about 700(HP new PC plus vid card),
SOE has fixed this game up like they did with EQ2. Someone earlier dogged the AAP.....since EQ is my fav game I like access to other games for a little more each month.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
SOE has fixed this game up like they did with EQ2. Someone earlier dogged the AAP.....since EQ is my fav game I like access to other games for a little more each month.
No they really haven't. Eq2 was a game they designed and pushed out a year early to generate revenue on the subscribers dime. Vanguard was a game they bought dirt cheap for no reason other than stacking their station pass list. If $oe was serious about vanguard they wouldn't be operating it with a skeleton crew.
Don’t forget all… Despite the game being a train-wreck at launch, if you play vanguard you know there are a lot of really well thought-out and innovative features and perks such as original character classes (disciples), the depth of character skills (e.g necro pet variety and pet inventories), the jaw-dropping beauty of the outdoors and things like the brotherhood or diplomacy systems.
Sure… sure… the game was released way too early and probably grossly mismanaged, but when you look at all the cool things that got included from the beginning it does say a lot for Sigil’s effort and design.
I used to be harder on Brad and his team until I began to appreciate all the work and thought Sigil put into Vanguard.
I used to be harder on Brad and his team until I began to appreciate all the work and thought Sigil put into Vanguard.
It's hard to be proud of someone for botching their first attempt at a job and then retrying only to botch it again. I can appreciate the thought they put into VG, but the work still makes me /boggle.
Brad McQuaid = thought and more thought and then rethinking the first thought....Oops, we're out of time and money? But I'm still thinking!
I have been reading FoH since 02....and they were around before I found em. A raiding guild site, but for yrs them and a couple others were the top dogs in EQ. When a nonsense story is posted, folks have a habit of ripping it apart. I generally dont post....cause it seems like the whole site jumps on nitwits just posting to post(Or nonsense). JestorRoto from the vet area has been there a few times. Look for his posts in the Rickshaw. Sam Deathwalker in the HoF is also some good reading. I firmly believe this info is real. Not that I actually know anyone there, just over the yrs when someone with a FoH tag starts running on....more often than not it is true. I had seen Smed/Brad/hartsman/various others post there over the yrs....Curt Schilling has an ongoing thread about his new game company. FoH has warned me about many of sorry games coming out over the yrs. Great site if you dont have a thin skin. I logged in VG during the free time over holiday....noob area was deserted, but game didnt seem to run bad on my system...2.4G intel duo core, ATI 1650 card, and 2G RAM. Not a fancy rig, put it together last yr for about 700(HP new PC plus vid card), SOE has fixed this game up like they did with EQ2. Someone earlier dogged the AAP.....since EQ is my fav game I like access to other games for a little more each month.
I ripped on this game, I predicted it would flop. I threw dares at the Vantards, it flops or I don't post again it , it flops they don't post. I have no idea how anyone could think this thing was going to go anywhere, some of the biggest fools predicted it would challenge WoW (what a riot). WoW rocks, SOE sucks, and Vanguard needs to DIE OUT. CANCELLATION IS INCOMING ON THIS TRASH GAME>
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
I ripped on this game, I predicted it would flop. I threw dares at the Vantards, it flops or I don't post again it , it flops they don't post. I have no idea how anyone could think this thing was going to go anywhere, some of the biggest fools predicted it would challenge WoW (what a riot). WoW rocks, SOE sucks, and Vanguard needs to DIE OUT. CANCELLATION IS INCOMING ON THIS TRASH GAME>
I wish.
Anyone still supporting SOE or Everquest should be shown what practices SOE uses to get their money.
LoN disgusts me! I have seen guildies spend over 200$ on this before I quit.
SOE and smedley disgust me to no end. More than Brad ever could.
I ripped on this game, I predicted it would flop. I threw dares at the Vantards, it flops or I don't post again it , it flops they don't post. I have no idea how anyone could think this thing was going to go anywhere, some of the biggest fools predicted it would challenge WoW (what a riot). WoW rocks, SOE sucks, and Vanguard needs to DIE OUT. CANCELLATION IS INCOMING ON THIS TRASH GAME>
I wish.
Anyone still supporting SOE or Everquest should be shown what practices SOE uses to get their money.
LoN disgusts me! I have seen guildies spend over 200$ on this before I quit.
SOE and smedley disgust me to no end. More than Brad ever could.
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This is what irks me with SOE as well....instead of using development time into fixing up f*cked up itemization, and rehauling old-wordl zones that desperately need some fixing, they waste their time on the LoN card game gimmick, a card game that really has nothing to do with EQ2 itself. It seems every little update is for the card game as well, its obvious they put alot of effort into it to take advantage of people who have a weakness for fluff item rewards and to weed out the cash. Guess its working though, people seem to be pouring heaps of plat and RL money into getting those card game rewards....sigh all that matters I guess. Just annoys me because its a little side card game with zero relevance to the actual game, they are putting little to no effort trying to fix up all the real problems , like class issues and the stuff I already mentioned. And they rarely if ever take any of the seriously good suggestions and ideas mention on the forums, they continually fall on deaf ears.
You do realize the people making the card game are in an entirely different studio (Denver) than the people working on EQ and EQ2 right? Other than the time spent initially integrating the card game into EQ and EQ2 clients, little to no time has been spent by EQ or EQ2 people on LoN.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Don’t forget all… Despite the game being a train-wreck at launch, if you play vanguard you know there are a lot of really well thought-out and innovative features and perks such as original character classes (disciples), the depth of character skills (e.g necro pet variety and pet inventories), the jaw-dropping beauty of the outdoors and things like the brotherhood or diplomacy systems. Sure… sure… the game was released way too early and probably grossly mismanaged, but when you look at all the cool things that got included from the beginning it does say a lot for Sigil’s effort and design. I used to be harder on Brad and his team until I began to appreciate all the work and thought Sigil put into Vanguard.
After 12 pages of mostly insults, it's nice to read this one. If it's true that the first three years of VG development had no effect on the actual game released; I'm very impressed with what the "amateurs" released in that final year. My impression of VG was favorable; I enjoyed the game during the first couple months. It had all the great features players wanted in EQ like:
1. You could very quickly have any dropped loot automatically rolled; and the item automatically transferred to the winners's inventory
2. At any time, you could see which of your group members had aggro; and you could see what mobs had aggo on you; and where they were.
3. When out of combat, your health regenerated very quickly; almost no down time.
Very powerful features.
I found the landscape breathtaking; albeit a little underpopulated. But there were some really cool areas. My biggest complaint is the drive-thru quests with monty haul xp. They made it FAR too easy on the player. People didn't even bother to read quests; they just clicked accept and pulled up their auto-task list. "Well I have no idea what that npc said, but I do know I need to collect 3 gnoll heads; and wow it even has an indicator on my compass to tell me where to go." This cheapened the experience.
Thanks to quests alone, players leveled so quickly that you did not have time to form any bonds of friendship.
So, again, my hats off to the amateurs who released this game. The OP, I think, should have no problem finding a job.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
You do realize the people making the card game are in an entirely different studio (Denver) than the people working on EQ and EQ2 right? Other than the time spent initially integrating the card game into EQ and EQ2 clients, little to no time has been spent by EQ or EQ2 people on LoN.
No, they dont realize that. And they never will. Internet personas are hyper exaggerated caricatures. On the internet, the more ridiculous, ignorant and divorced from reality and standards of good behavior a theory or personality is, the more it is accepted as fact.
You have to realize that the vast majority of posters are craving attention to make up for some deficiency in their lives. How else could one explain getting whipped into a FERVOR over a videogame? Think about how demented that is.
So these folks are sort of like a cyber version of the Inquisition. The live in their own little version of reality, support each other to the end, hold up insane theory as fact, and hold others to standards they could * N E V E R * live up to. I mean how good do you think the average internet ranter is at THEIR job? Assuming they even have one?
So you could bring them in person to the studio that built LoN, show them all of the contractual aggrements, have them sit in on the board meetings where planning is done, and they would still not beleive it. Actually.... If that were to happen, most of them would quietly slink away because that would have to all take place in real life where they dare not say anything to anyone about anything (hence the passive aggressive internet persona - comes from living like sheep day to day in real life). But still, you get the idea. What you will get in response is that SOE "still wasted resources that "should have" been used to "fix" the "broken" games they currently have" And they will still find a way to demonize marketing a product as somehow "evil" because yeah... we're all good communists paying to play and rant about online video games.
Anyone who feels that packaging and marketing a product somehow qualifies as "evil" shouldnt DARE be indulging in such wretched excess as posting on the internet from an expensive PC. Sell your worldly possessions, buy a grey work suit, and go work for the peace corps. THEN you can at least rant against productization and the "evils" of capitalism without being a COMPLETE hyprocritical a-hole.
Right. And maybe he was MIA cause he's actually an Al-Quaeda terrorist. Not saying it's true, but it COULD be true.
Oh god, how I hate "conspiracy theorists" and people questioning everything and anything. There's a difference between being sceptical and going overboard.
There's no reason that developer would have made those things up. Unless you can prove him wrong..but I'm sure you can't, cause you didn't work at Sigil last I checked.
He's an unprofessional developer for posting this, I agree, but it does sound exactly like what you'd expect from the resulting game.
There is no reason that the developer would make these things up???
How about this for a reason, He Got Fired.
And how about this, He is now pissed because the only thing he can put on his resume is that he worked on Vanguard. (not real inspiring)
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know much about the soap opera drama with Brad’s Vanguard “saga”. However, it’s amazing to me how many pre-pubescent nobodies like to build themselves up by tearing this guy down.
The very basic story seems to be that he was handed 30 million dollars to create a game. Now that’s A LOT of pressure to make something work. I laugh at those of you who spout “I could have made a better game”. If you were given that responsibility and handed even a fraction of that money, you would crumple up in a ball and cry, probably peeing your pants in the process.
Most of you crap your pants and go home and cry to mommy if the manager at the McDonalds you work for tells you you’re doing a bad job.
So please, lay off the guy. Ok, the game wasn’t a success. Get over it. Go pull the wings off of butterflies or something else as sinister to build up your ego and show your superiority.
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know much about the soap opera drama with Brad’s Vanguard “saga”. However, it’s amazing to me how many pre-pubescent nobodies like to build themselves up by tearing this guy down.
The very basic story seems to be that he was handed 30 million dollars to create a game. Now that’s A LOT of pressure to make something work. I laugh at those of you who spout “I could have made a better game”. If you were given that responsibility and handed even a fraction of that money, you would crumple up in a ball and cry, probably peeing your pants in the process.
Most of you crap your pants and go home and cry to mommy if the manager at the McDonalds you work for tells you you’re doing a bad job.
So please, lay off the guy. Ok, the game wasn’t a success. Get over it. Go pull the wings off of butterflies or something else as sinister to build up your ego and show your superiority.
There is so much truth to this. Brad isn't that old and my read on him is that he's more the entrepreneur style person. You know the idea guy, the guy with a vision or a concept. This is the guy that starts companies and drives in a direction. Unfortunately this is rarely the guy that can manage an organization or build a large team. He works ok for a small team but falls down as the team grows.
I mean you can look at his posts in the aftermath and interviews and if you look past being cynical you can see the guy was pretty broken down. He had a big vision and knew he was in trouble. He had a lot of ego hoping that it would work out and doing the only thing he thought he could do and still maintain control of the game. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he knew it.
Now he had an organization crumpling under him and HE was the GUY. It was all his fault. Don't think he didn't know it and don't think it didn't kill him. I've worked for people in companies that haven't been successfull and the CEO feels everyones pain and many times they can't hold it together at the end at all.
Frankly every time I read a post at this point bashing Brad it really makes me sad. I'm sure he is going through some hell and I just hope somehow he made it through this without loosing everything... He doesn't deserve to loose everything, he did what many of us would never do. He took his vision and his passion and put it on the line and build something! VG is flawed but it is also awesome in it's breadth and how much it tried to do. NO game matches it for its scope and breadth or all the new things it brings to the table.
Anyway I've been wanting to say that for awhile...
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know much about the soap opera drama with Brad’s Vanguard “saga”. However, it’s amazing to me how many pre-pubescent nobodies like to build themselves up by tearing this guy down.
The very basic story seems to be that he was handed 30 million dollars to create a game. Now that’s A LOT of pressure to make something work. I laugh at those of you who spout “I could have made a better game”. If you were given that responsibility and handed even a fraction of that money, you would crumple up in a ball and cry, probably peeing your pants in the process.
Most of you crap your pants and go home and cry to mommy if the manager at the McDonalds you work for tells you you’re doing a bad job.
So please, lay off the guy. Ok, the game wasn’t a success. Get over it. Go pull the wings off of butterflies or something else as sinister to build up your ego and show your superiority.
There is so much truth to this. Brad isn't that old and my read on him is that he's more the entrepreneur style person. You know the idea guy, the guy with a vision or a concept. This is the guy that starts companies and drives in a direction. Unfortunately this is rarely the guy that can manage an organization or build a large team. He works ok for a small team but falls down as the team grows.
I mean you can look at his posts in the aftermath and interviews and if you look past being cynical you can see the guy was pretty broken down. He had a big vision and knew he was in trouble. He had a lot of ego hoping that it would work out and doing the only thing he thought he could do and still maintain control of the game. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he knew it.
Now he had an organization crumpling under him and HE was the GUY. It was all his fault. Don't think he didn't know it and don't think it didn't kill him. I've worked for people in companies that haven't been successfull and the CEO feels everyones pain and many times they can't hold it together at the end at all.
Frankly every time I read a post at this point bashing Brad it really makes me sad. I'm sure he is going through some hell and I just hope somehow he made it through this without loosing everything... He doesn't deserve to loose everything, he did what many of us would never do. He took his vision and his passion and put it on the line and build something! VG is flawed but it is also awesome in it's breadth and how much it tried to do. NO game matches it for its scope and breadth or all the new things it brings to the table.
Anyway I've been wanting to say that for awhile...
The "idea" person huh? Looks like he got his "ideas" from a needle and smoking weed. If that is the definition of a Entrepreneur then seems that is an easy pursuit.
This guy stole millions of dollars from his investors and from the people who purchased his game. He is not the victim. He is technically criminal. Not only that but he lost jobs for a whole company of employees and had them fired in the parking lot of the office. Yes. He is a real victim.
Lastly, I am sure he is wearing money hats from the sale of VG to SOE who did not even know what they were buying.
Bad Luck to everyone who was a good person and died a little by creating or playing this game, and to those people who screwed this game over with no remorse may u rot in hell for an eternity or worse play Vangaurd for oh i don't know, lets say a decade. Some may say that is harsh but i don't. I had hopes for this game but was seriously disappointed, not to say throughout this entire article there i was laughing and rolling about, strugling to remain in my chair and i actually read most of the replies and they were funny, you guys are seriously funny harsh and whity but funny. Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!ZZZZZZZ
The "idea" person huh? Looks like he got his "ideas" from a needle and smoking weed. If that is the definition of a Entrepreneur then seems that is an easy pursuit. This guy stole millions of dollars from his investors and from the people who purchased his game. He is not the victim. He is technically criminal. Not only that but he lost jobs for a whole company of employees and had them fired in the parking lot of the office. Yes. He is a real victim. Lastly, I am sure he is wearing money hats from the sale of VG to SOE who did not even know what they were buying.
He was the idea man and the one promoting the vision for this game for litterally years. He was the person that started the company and sold investors on the game idea. He was one of the main driving forces behind the game concept.
He didn't steal anything and thats rather an insulting thing to even say. He built a game. Sure it went over budget and sure it isn't what he or the customers hoped. But that isn't stealing anything thats called failure to deliver what he tried to. EVERY investor goes through many of these before getting lucky and hitting a success.
I hope he did make some money off the deal.
Maybe you can't understand and don't have any experience doing something or being part of something like this so you can't relate. That's ok, but show a bit of respect for what he had the guts to try to build. Frankly, it dwarfs what any of us will ever accomplish in our entire lives even if it was a failure. How does that go, better to have tried and failed then to have never tried at all?
Why do so many of you feel the need to take these unbelievably harsh shots at Brad? Why all the venom and hate towards him? Exactly what have you lost? $50? Some of you act as though Brad personally came to your house and kicked you in the stomach.
Some people lost a great deal more. I lost my job, and yet I don't hate him. In fact, I consider Brad a good friend. Exactly how do you justify such hatred and ill will over a $50 game?
Let me ask you guys something.. Why do so many of you feel the need to take these unbelievably harsh shots at Brad? Why all the venom and hate towards him? Exactly what have you lost? $50? Some of you act as though Brad personally came to your house and kicked you in the stomach. Some people lost a great deal more. I lost my job, and yet I don't hate him. In fact, I consider Brad a good friend. Exactly how do you justify such hatred and ill will over a $50 game?
I don't think its the $50 for most people, but rather the bitter disappointment Vanguard was for them.
Fact: Brad lied about the game, hyping it on message boards getting people's hopes up, while being totally out of touch with dev team.
Fact: Vanguard was a stinker of a game at release and people felt ripped off.
Why do so many of you feel the need to take these unbelievably harsh shots at Brad? Why all the venom and hate towards him? Exactly what have you lost? $50? Some of you act as though Brad personally came to your house and kicked you in the stomach.
Exactly...Exactly.
Aww, something didn't work out the way some people wanted
Some advertising told them a product was going to be the best thing since sliced bread, then it turned out not even close to what they were "promised". The horrors! That NEVER happened before!
When can someone voice their displeasure with being lied to? What is the magic dollar amount when it becomes ok to be upset over? $100? 10,000?
$50 to some people is a very significant amount of money and to others the principle is more important.
Not that I think taking deep personal shots is ok, but if anyone has earned them Brad surely has. If the game had been a runaway success I doubt anyone would wag fingers at people praising him. Brad let his mouth write checks that his company could not cash. He also made very large steps to make sure he was visible as the point man for the company and to most people he is Sigil.
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we better be careful else Smart will find this thread and the real fun will begin
I have been reading FoH since 02....and they were around before I found em. A raiding guild site, but for yrs them and a couple others were the top dogs in EQ. When a nonsense story is posted, folks have a habit of ripping it apart. I generally dont post....cause it seems like the whole site jumps on nitwits just posting to post(Or nonsense).
JestorRoto from the vet area has been there a few times. Look for his posts in the Rickshaw. Sam Deathwalker in the HoF is also some good reading.
I firmly believe this info is real. Not that I actually know anyone there, just over the yrs when someone with a FoH tag starts running on....more often than not it is true. I had seen Smed/Brad/hartsman/various others post there over the yrs....Curt Schilling has an ongoing thread about his new game company. FoH has warned me about many of sorry games coming out over the yrs. Great site if you dont have a thin skin.
I logged in VG during the free time over holiday....noob area was deserted, but game didnt seem to run bad on my system...2.4G intel duo core, ATI 1650 card, and 2G RAM. Not a fancy rig, put it together last yr for about 700(HP new PC plus vid card),
SOE has fixed this game up like they did with EQ2. Someone earlier dogged the AAP.....since EQ is my fav game I like access to other games for a little more each month.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
No they really haven't. Eq2 was a game they designed and pushed out a year early to generate revenue on the subscribers dime. Vanguard was a game they bought dirt cheap for no reason other than stacking their station pass list. If $oe was serious about vanguard they wouldn't be operating it with a skeleton crew.
Don’t forget all… Despite the game being a train-wreck at launch, if you play vanguard you know there are a lot of really well thought-out and innovative features and perks such as original character classes (disciples), the depth of character skills (e.g necro pet variety and pet inventories), the jaw-dropping beauty of the outdoors and things like the brotherhood or diplomacy systems.
Sure… sure… the game was released way too early and probably grossly mismanaged, but when you look at all the cool things that got included from the beginning it does say a lot for Sigil’s effort and design.
I used to be harder on Brad and his team until I began to appreciate all the work and thought Sigil put into Vanguard.
Brad McQuaid = thought and more thought and then rethinking the first thought....Oops, we're out of time and money? But I'm still thinking!
I ripped on this game, I predicted it would flop. I threw dares at the Vantards, it flops or I don't post again it , it flops they don't post. I have no idea how anyone could think this thing was going to go anywhere, some of the biggest fools predicted it would challenge WoW (what a riot). WoW rocks, SOE sucks, and Vanguard needs to DIE OUT. CANCELLATION IS INCOMING ON THIS TRASH GAME>
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
I wish.
Anyone still supporting SOE or Everquest should be shown what practices SOE uses to get their money.
LoN disgusts me! I have seen guildies spend over 200$ on this before I quit.
SOE and smedley disgust me to no end. More than Brad ever could.
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I wish.
Anyone still supporting SOE or Everquest should be shown what practices SOE uses to get their money.
LoN disgusts me! I have seen guildies spend over 200$ on this before I quit.
SOE and smedley disgust me to no end. More than Brad ever could.
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This is what irks me with SOE as well....instead of using development time into fixing up f*cked up itemization, and rehauling old-wordl zones that desperately need some fixing, they waste their time on the LoN card game gimmick, a card game that really has nothing to do with EQ2 itself. It seems every little update is for the card game as well, its obvious they put alot of effort into it to take advantage of people who have a weakness for fluff item rewards and to weed out the cash. Guess its working though, people seem to be pouring heaps of plat and RL money into getting those card game rewards....sigh all that matters I guess. Just annoys me because its a little side card game with zero relevance to the actual game, they are putting little to no effort trying to fix up all the real problems , like class issues and the stuff I already mentioned. And they rarely if ever take any of the seriously good suggestions and ideas mention on the forums, they continually fall on deaf ears.
You do realize the people making the card game are in an entirely different studio (Denver) than the people working on EQ and EQ2 right? Other than the time spent initially integrating the card game into EQ and EQ2 clients, little to no time has been spent by EQ or EQ2 people on LoN.
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Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
After 12 pages of mostly insults, it's nice to read this one. If it's true that the first three years of VG development had no effect on the actual game released; I'm very impressed with what the "amateurs" released in that final year. My impression of VG was favorable; I enjoyed the game during the first couple months. It had all the great features players wanted in EQ like:
1. You could very quickly have any dropped loot automatically rolled; and the item automatically transferred to the winners's inventory
2. At any time, you could see which of your group members had aggro; and you could see what mobs had aggo on you; and where they were.
3. When out of combat, your health regenerated very quickly; almost no down time.
Very powerful features.
I found the landscape breathtaking; albeit a little underpopulated. But there were some really cool areas. My biggest complaint is the drive-thru quests with monty haul xp. They made it FAR too easy on the player. People didn't even bother to read quests; they just clicked accept and pulled up their auto-task list. "Well I have no idea what that npc said, but I do know I need to collect 3 gnoll heads; and wow it even has an indicator on my compass to tell me where to go." This cheapened the experience.
Thanks to quests alone, players leveled so quickly that you did not have time to form any bonds of friendship.
So, again, my hats off to the amateurs who released this game. The OP, I think, should have no problem finding a job.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
No, they dont realize that. And they never will. Internet personas are hyper exaggerated caricatures. On the internet, the more ridiculous, ignorant and divorced from reality and standards of good behavior a theory or personality is, the more it is accepted as fact.
You have to realize that the vast majority of posters are craving attention to make up for some deficiency in their lives. How else could one explain getting whipped into a FERVOR over a videogame? Think about how demented that is.
So these folks are sort of like a cyber version of the Inquisition. The live in their own little version of reality, support each other to the end, hold up insane theory as fact, and hold others to standards they could * N E V E R * live up to. I mean how good do you think the average internet ranter is at THEIR job? Assuming they even have one?
So you could bring them in person to the studio that built LoN, show them all of the contractual aggrements, have them sit in on the board meetings where planning is done, and they would still not beleive it. Actually.... If that were to happen, most of them would quietly slink away because that would have to all take place in real life where they dare not say anything to anyone about anything (hence the passive aggressive internet persona - comes from living like sheep day to day in real life). But still, you get the idea. What you will get in response is that SOE "still wasted resources that "should have" been used to "fix" the "broken" games they currently have" And they will still find a way to demonize marketing a product as somehow "evil" because yeah... we're all good communists paying to play and rant about online video games.
Anyone who feels that packaging and marketing a product somehow qualifies as "evil" shouldnt DARE be indulging in such wretched excess as posting on the internet from an expensive PC. Sell your worldly possessions, buy a grey work suit, and go work for the peace corps. THEN you can at least rant against productization and the "evils" of capitalism without being a COMPLETE hyprocritical a-hole.
There's no reason that developer would have made those things up. Unless you can prove him wrong..but I'm sure you can't, cause you didn't work at Sigil last I checked.
He's an unprofessional developer for posting this, I agree, but it does sound exactly like what you'd expect from the resulting game.
There is no reason that the developer would make these things up???How about this for a reason, He Got Fired.
And how about this, He is now pissed because the only thing he can put on his resume is that he worked on Vanguard. (not real inspiring)
Ya, he has no reason to lie at all.
The people that swallow this story whole are the same people that believe Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
So your talking about the ones they used on there own people lol its well documented.....
some ones not even up on old events lol.....
There is so much truth to this. Brad isn't that old and my read on him is that he's more the entrepreneur style person. You know the idea guy, the guy with a vision or a concept. This is the guy that starts companies and drives in a direction. Unfortunately this is rarely the guy that can manage an organization or build a large team. He works ok for a small team but falls down as the team grows.
I mean you can look at his posts in the aftermath and interviews and if you look past being cynical you can see the guy was pretty broken down. He had a big vision and knew he was in trouble. He had a lot of ego hoping that it would work out and doing the only thing he thought he could do and still maintain control of the game. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he knew it.
Now he had an organization crumpling under him and HE was the GUY. It was all his fault. Don't think he didn't know it and don't think it didn't kill him. I've worked for people in companies that haven't been successfull and the CEO feels everyones pain and many times they can't hold it together at the end at all.
Frankly every time I read a post at this point bashing Brad it really makes me sad. I'm sure he is going through some hell and I just hope somehow he made it through this without loosing everything... He doesn't deserve to loose everything, he did what many of us would never do. He took his vision and his passion and put it on the line and build something! VG is flawed but it is also awesome in it's breadth and how much it tried to do. NO game matches it for its scope and breadth or all the new things it brings to the table.
Anyway I've been wanting to say that for awhile...
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Ethion
There is so much truth to this. Brad isn't that old and my read on him is that he's more the entrepreneur style person. You know the idea guy, the guy with a vision or a concept. This is the guy that starts companies and drives in a direction. Unfortunately this is rarely the guy that can manage an organization or build a large team. He works ok for a small team but falls down as the team grows.
I mean you can look at his posts in the aftermath and interviews and if you look past being cynical you can see the guy was pretty broken down. He had a big vision and knew he was in trouble. He had a lot of ego hoping that it would work out and doing the only thing he thought he could do and still maintain control of the game. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he knew it.
Now he had an organization crumpling under him and HE was the GUY. It was all his fault. Don't think he didn't know it and don't think it didn't kill him. I've worked for people in companies that haven't been successfull and the CEO feels everyones pain and many times they can't hold it together at the end at all.
Frankly every time I read a post at this point bashing Brad it really makes me sad. I'm sure he is going through some hell and I just hope somehow he made it through this without loosing everything... He doesn't deserve to loose everything, he did what many of us would never do. He took his vision and his passion and put it on the line and build something! VG is flawed but it is also awesome in it's breadth and how much it tried to do. NO game matches it for its scope and breadth or all the new things it brings to the table.
Anyway I've been wanting to say that for awhile...
The "idea" person huh? Looks like he got his "ideas" from a needle and smoking weed. If that is the definition of a Entrepreneur then seems that is an easy pursuit.
This guy stole millions of dollars from his investors and from the people who purchased his game. He is not the victim. He is technically criminal. Not only that but he lost jobs for a whole company of employees and had them fired in the parking lot of the office. Yes. He is a real victim.
Lastly, I am sure he is wearing money hats from the sale of VG to SOE who did not even know what they were buying.
Bad Luck to everyone who was a good person and died a little by creating or playing this game, and to those people who screwed this game over with no remorse may u rot in hell for an eternity or worse play Vangaurd for oh i don't know, lets say a decade. Some may say that is harsh but i don't. I had hopes for this game but was seriously disappointed, not to say throughout this entire article there i was laughing and rolling about, strugling to remain in my chair and i actually read most of the replies and they were funny, you guys are seriously funny harsh and whity but funny. Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!Lo!ZZZZZZZ
The people that swallow this story whole are the same people that believe Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
So your talking about the ones they used on there own people lol its well documented.....
some ones not even up on old events lol.....
Lo! Owned!
He was the idea man and the one promoting the vision for this game for litterally years. He was the person that started the company and sold investors on the game idea. He was one of the main driving forces behind the game concept.
He didn't steal anything and thats rather an insulting thing to even say. He built a game. Sure it went over budget and sure it isn't what he or the customers hoped. But that isn't stealing anything thats called failure to deliver what he tried to. EVERY investor goes through many of these before getting lucky and hitting a success.
I hope he did make some money off the deal.
Maybe you can't understand and don't have any experience doing something or being part of something like this so you can't relate. That's ok, but show a bit of respect for what he had the guts to try to build. Frankly, it dwarfs what any of us will ever accomplish in our entire lives even if it was a failure. How does that go, better to have tried and failed then to have never tried at all?
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Ethion
Let me ask you guys something..
Why do so many of you feel the need to take these unbelievably harsh shots at Brad? Why all the venom and hate towards him? Exactly what have you lost? $50? Some of you act as though Brad personally came to your house and kicked you in the stomach.
Some people lost a great deal more. I lost my job, and yet I don't hate him. In fact, I consider Brad a good friend. Exactly how do you justify such hatred and ill will over a $50 game?
Fact: Brad lied about the game, hyping it on message boards getting people's hopes up, while being totally out of touch with dev team.
Fact: Vanguard was a stinker of a game at release and people felt ripped off.
The people that swallow this story whole are the same people that believe Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
So your talking about the ones they used on there own people lol its well documented.....
some ones not even up on old events lol.....
Lo! Owned!
Massmurder, weapons of mass destruction. What kind of weapons was those two refering to?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Aww, something didn't work out the way some people wanted
Some advertising told them a product was going to be the best thing since sliced bread, then it turned out not even close to what they were "promised". The horrors! That NEVER happened before!
Caveat emptor - Let the buyer beware
Just to play devils advocate
When can someone voice their displeasure with being lied to? What is the magic dollar amount when it becomes ok to be upset over? $100? 10,000?
$50 to some people is a very significant amount of money and to others the principle is more important.
Not that I think taking deep personal shots is ok, but if anyone has earned them Brad surely has. If the game had been a runaway success I doubt anyone would wag fingers at people praising him. Brad let his mouth write checks that his company could not cash. He also made very large steps to make sure he was visible as the point man for the company and to most people he is Sigil.