That AoC developer were a immature, unproffesional prick a year ago when he made those statements. I bet he was afraid of Darkfall as a competitioner in the MMORPG genre and he made that statement to piss on something he and his developer group couldnt achieve, or didnt have the stamina for. Its like taking yourself and your skills to outer space and a " if we cant do it nobody else can" attitude. Seems Funcom is more into making overhyped trashgames, if youd ask me. Just look at their policy of keeping NDA til game is just about out and people preordering dont know what theyre buying, thats greedy if youd ask me. And its really not a way to convince people your having faith in your own product. Darkfall on the other hand wont take a cent before you actually tried the game and decided its a game for you. Thats having confidence in your own product.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.
Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
That AoC developer were a immature, unproffesional prick a year ago when he made those statements. I bet he was afraid of Darkfall as a competitioner in the MMORPG genre and he made that statement to piss on something he and his developer group couldnt achieve, or didnt have the stamina for. Its like taking yourself and your skills to outer space and a " if we cant do it nobody else can" attitude. Seems Funcom is more into making overhyped trashgames, if youd ask me. Just look at their policy of keeping NDA til game is just about out and people preordering dont know what theyre buying, thats greedy if youd ask me. And its really not a way to convince people your having faith in your own product. Darkfall on the other hand wont take a cent before you actually tried the game and decided its a game for you. Thats having confidence in your own product.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.
Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me. I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism. On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
That AoC developer were a immature, unproffesional prick a year ago when he made those statements. I bet he was afraid of Darkfall as a competitioner in the MMORPG genre and he made that statement to piss on something he and his developer group couldnt achieve, or didnt have the stamina for. Its like taking yourself and your skills to outer space and a " if we cant do it nobody else can" attitude. Seems Funcom is more into making overhyped trashgames, if youd ask me. Just look at their policy of keeping NDA til game is just about out and people preordering dont know what theyre buying, thats greedy if youd ask me. And its really not a way to convince people your having faith in your own product. Darkfall on the other hand wont take a cent before you actually tried the game and decided its a game for you. Thats having confidence in your own product.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.
Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
What you fail to see is that where AoC actually has videos of their interface showing their semi revolutionary combat system (which I'm not super interested in BTW) DF hasn't shown any vids of their actual combat interface.
Also, why does every game have to take the genre somewhere new? Why can't a game improve upon the already working system? Evolution is a slow process....
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
I've seen those, and they do show the UI with the inventory and all that.
What I was saying was a video with the UI up and working in combat. I've seen the combat vid, and it looks nicely fast paced and exciting, but I'd like to see a video showing the UI that will be on screen during battle and how exactly it is controlled. Thats what AoC has shown that DF hasn't.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me. I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism. On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
You have become twice as immature and condecending as the very people you swear you hate. Dude...seriously, I know you aren't ignorant. Just read what your are saying and measure it against the AoC devs quote. What he said was a few billion times nicer and more professional than anything you've uttered. The first rule of debate is to NEVER compromise your position by shifting INTO the persona of the ones you are debating AGAINST. It weakens your position...making you look incapable of actually formulating your own point without having to use the debate style of your opponent.
Backtrack some, calm down...and come back when you've regained some of the poster you WERE when you started this. I may not have agreed with you...but at least I didn't just write you off like I"m doing now.
Hm, there IS a UI in there, and you know I've actually seen that video but it's been a while so I must have not really paid attention. My mistake =P
The only thing I hope that has gotten better with the graphics is the stupid movements of the hands in that video when the guy is running. It's too stiff for my tastes, but I'm sure thats going to change with the fluff content you know? I'm sure stiff arm animations are not on their list of super important things right now ha
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
yes lol you can see that it has in the last new vid we had : 0 plus its close third person now.
well in that alpha vid it was a mage wasnt it umm im prett sure it has since 2003 because to be honest that looked like shit the other animations wernt to bad. they people attacking him. AHh watch this one new mage with almost same type of mace.
notice the meele animtiosn are a tad jerky but im sure they have worked on that by now.
all the cries of vaporware in regards to DFO serve only to demonstrate how much in demand a title like DFO is for the niche community of those interested in meaningful PvP in a sandbox environment.
The MMO landscape is filled with such crap these days. Just look at so many of the games on this site. The idea that someone will come along and create a sandbox PvP environment where the players have control and drive the conflict just looks so amazing in this bleak landscape of WoW/EQ clones.
But is DFO vapor? Will it ever release? Who knows. I think many of us are hopeful that it is not vapor and that it will release.
But at the end of the day its all sort of irrelevent. Regardless of all the cries of vapor, if it makes it and delivers what they've promised people will pile on.
So I guess I'm saying all the back and forth and flaming is sort of pointless.
That AoC developer were a immature, unproffesional prick a year ago when he made those statements. I bet he was afraid of Darkfall as a competitioner in the MMORPG genre and he made that statement to piss on something he and his developer group couldnt achieve, or didnt have the stamina for. Its like taking yourself and your skills to outer space and a " if we cant do it nobody else can" attitude. Seems Funcom is more into making overhyped trashgames, if youd ask me. Just look at their policy of keeping NDA til game is just about out and people preordering dont know what theyre buying, thats greedy if youd ask me. And its really not a way to convince people your having faith in your own product. Darkfall on the other hand wont take a cent before you actually tried the game and decided its a game for you. Thats having confidence in your own product.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.
Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
What you fail to see is that where AoC actually has videos of their interface showing their semi revolutionary combat system (which I'm not super interested in BTW) DF hasn't shown any vids of their actual combat interface.
Also, why does every game have to take the genre somewhere new? Why can't a game improve upon the already working system? Evolution is a slow process....
You just dont get it do you?
I care jack-shit about Age of Conan. Funcom ride on the axles of Blizzard and is creating another mainstream shitgame. Thats is totally uninteresting to me. I have stopped playing shitgames. WoW were the last i tried. So im waiting for something else. And sure as hell, Age of Conan isnt something else.
That AoC developer were a immature, unproffesional prick a year ago when he made those statements. I bet he was afraid of Darkfall as a competitioner in the MMORPG genre and he made that statement to piss on something he and his developer group couldnt achieve, or didnt have the stamina for. Its like taking yourself and your skills to outer space and a " if we cant do it nobody else can" attitude. Seems Funcom is more into making overhyped trashgames, if youd ask me. Just look at their policy of keeping NDA til game is just about out and people preordering dont know what theyre buying, thats greedy if youd ask me. And its really not a way to convince people your having faith in your own product. Darkfall on the other hand wont take a cent before you actually tried the game and decided its a game for you. Thats having confidence in your own product.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.
Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
What you fail to see is that where AoC actually has videos of their interface showing their semi revolutionary combat system (which I'm not super interested in BTW) DF hasn't shown any vids of their actual combat interface.
Also, why does every game have to take the genre somewhere new? Why can't a game improve upon the already working system? Evolution is a slow process....
You just dont get it do you?
I care jack-shit about Age of Conan. Funcom ride on the axles of Blizzard and is creating another mainstream shitgame. Thats is totally uninteresting to me. I have stopped playing shitgames. WoW were the last i tried. So im waiting for something else. And sure as hell, Age of Conan isnt something else.
No, in fact, I don't get YOUR opinon in what YOU want in a new game. I definitely don't get that because I am not you.
Please mind your language.
But yeah, I was wrong anyways. Down to earth linked an older video that had a visible UI in combat. I couldn't necessarily tell how it worked in game, but it had hot bars on the side of the screen for different attacks and spells I guess. So DF does actually have that kind of video up and I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong about that. The thing is that seems a bit mainstream to me (hotbars and such), but if they can pull of "real-time, active combat" then it will be revolutionary for sure. If real time aiming and such comes into play the hotbars will mean nothing.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Darkfall's popularity has been growing steadily over the years, despite not really having much information release.
I think that speaks volumes of how strong the general message they have about what type of game they want it to be is. On the other hand....Age of Conan has been launching a massive PR campaign, coddling the fanbase and attacking Darkfall.... That speaks volumes about how strong their game concept is.
Actually...that only speaks for the contents of the two companies wallets.
You think any company that -can- pull off much advertising would -not- do it? Come on, be serious. And...where exactly is FC "coddling" the Fanbase? *blinks* I'm actually a little confused what you mean with that.
This whole AOC and Darkfall shit has gone on long enough.
Its stupied. Let the people who want Darkfall talk about Darkfall
Let the people who want AoC talk about AoC.
Enough of this E Penis fighting. It just retarded, I have been a part of it and for that I am sorry.
AoC will be a decend game in its own right, it may come out and be great or it may come out and pull a "Vanguard". It should not matter either way unless you plan on playing AoC.
Darkfall will be a decend game in its own right, it may come out and be amazing or it may not come out at all. It should not matter either way unles syour plan on playing Darkfall.
I will be playing Darkfall. AoC looks okay but I am a huge fan of the Necromancer class and I dont like how AoC has them setup.
Lets stop all this fighting and arguing crap and just worry about your own game.
Enough is Enough already.
Darkfall is not Vaporware no matter how you slice it.
AoC is not pushing the genre forward no matter how you slice it.
AoC is going to be a great game for players looking for a more hardcore version of WoW.
Darkfall is going to be a great game for players looking for a real hardcore game with no EASY MODE.
P.S. sorry dont mean my post to come off bashing AoC.
Darkfall's popularity has been growing steadily over the years, despite not really having much information release.
I think that speaks volumes of how strong the general message they have about what type of game they want it to be is. On the other hand....Age of Conan has been launching a massive PR campaign, coddling the fanbase and attacking Darkfall.... That speaks volumes about how strong their game concept is.
Actually...that only speaks for the contents of the two companies wallets.
You think any company that -can- pull off much advertising would -not- do it? Come on, be serious. And...where exactly is FC "coddling" the Fanbase? *blinks* I'm actually a little confused what you mean with that.
They constantly release screenshots and promise about balance and shit because the Fanbase is complaining.
And it does speak a lot about the game. It is always easier to sell a good product, than convince people to buy a crappy one. Right now, AoC is convincing you to buy it (pre-order lawl), whereas Darkfall is secure in the fact that they will have a good game which will sell itself.
Even the fact that the AoC devs/community feel the need to constantly try and put DFO down shows how worried they are about their success.
Actually...that only speaks for the contents of the two companies wallets.
You think any company that -can- pull off much advertising would -not- do it? Come on, be serious. And...where exactly is FC "coddling" the Fanbase? *blinks* I'm actually a little confused what you mean with that.
They constantly release screenshots and promise about balance and shit because the Fanbase is complaining.
And it does speak a lot about the game. It is always easier to sell a good product, than convince people to buy a crappy one. Right now, AoC is convincing you to buy it (pre-order lawl), whereas Darkfall is secure in the fact that they will have a good game which will sell itself.
Even the fact that the AoC devs/community feel the need to constantly try and put DFO down shows how worried they are about their success.
GF AoC, wasn't close.
Advertising your product is sign of a weak product? Man...do you live on the same planet as I do? I mean...do you fail to see all the ads for products out there? Is the new BMW a crappy car because you see ads everywhere? Is the new Sony TV a crappy one because they keep advertising it? Come on, that's really some backwards logic right there.
Darkfall is not ready to be advertised. At least that's what I think. That's not to say I think it will be a crappy game, or that it won't release, but from what we see, the game is not ready to be advertised on any broader level and that's all there is to it.
As for the community....I point again to the glasshouse in which you are sitting. The DF community does the same thing to AoC.
Actually...that only speaks for the contents of the two companies wallets.
You think any company that -can- pull off much advertising would -not- do it? Come on, be serious. And...where exactly is FC "coddling" the Fanbase? *blinks* I'm actually a little confused what you mean with that.
They constantly release screenshots and promise about balance and shit because the Fanbase is complaining.
And it does speak a lot about the game. It is always easier to sell a good product, than convince people to buy a crappy one. Right now, AoC is convincing you to buy it (pre-order lawl), whereas Darkfall is secure in the fact that they will have a good game which will sell itself.
Even the fact that the AoC devs/community feel the need to constantly try and put DFO down shows how worried they are about their success.
GF AoC, wasn't close.
Advertising your product is sign of a weak product? Man...do you live on the same planet as I do? I mean...do you fail to see all the ads for products out there? Is the new BMW a crappy car because you see ads everywhere? Is the new Sony TV a crappy one because they keep advertising it? Come on, that's really some backwards logic right there.
Darkfall is not ready to be advertised. At least that's what I think. That's not to say I think it will be a crappy game, or that it won't release, but from what we see, the game is not ready to be advertised on any broader level and that's all there is to it.
As for the community....I point again to the glasshouse in which you are sitting. The DF community does the same thing to AoC.
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for NDA reasons even the guy 2 post above me said this for nda reason exactully
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Blame that on the naysayers when they have no proof of what the say
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
Enjoy.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Well he is right
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
What you fail to see is that where AoC actually has videos of their interface showing their semi revolutionary combat system (which I'm not super interested in BTW) DF hasn't shown any vids of their actual combat interface.Also, why does every game have to take the genre somewhere new? Why can't a game improve upon the already working system? Evolution is a slow process....
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
they have in screenshots
What I was saying was a video with the UI up and working in combat. I've seen the combat vid, and it looks nicely fast paced and exciting, but I'd like to see a video showing the UI that will be on screen during battle and how exactly it is controlled. Thats what AoC has shown that DF hasn't.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
the 2003 alpha vid shows it
o you know that screenshots with the feathers watch closly well theres birds : )
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nU2ta1EsggE&feature=related
http://df.warcry.com/images/view/15072
they didnt change it really since 2003 int hat 2005 screenshot so most likly its still pretty much the same
You have become twice as immature and condecending as the very people you swear you hate. Dude...seriously, I know you aren't ignorant. Just read what your are saying and measure it against the AoC devs quote. What he said was a few billion times nicer and more professional than anything you've uttered. The first rule of debate is to NEVER compromise your position by shifting INTO the persona of the ones you are debating AGAINST. It weakens your position...making you look incapable of actually formulating your own point without having to use the debate style of your opponent.
Backtrack some, calm down...and come back when you've regained some of the poster you WERE when you started this. I may not have agreed with you...but at least I didn't just write you off like I"m doing now.
can you really blame him tho?
The only thing I hope that has gotten better with the graphics is the stupid movements of the hands in that video when the guy is running. It's too stiff for my tastes, but I'm sure thats going to change with the fluff content you know? I'm sure stiff arm animations are not on their list of super important things right now ha
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
yes lol you can see that it has in the last new vid we had : 0 plus its close third person now.
well in that alpha vid it was a mage wasnt it umm im prett sure it has since 2003 because to be honest that looked like shit the other animations wernt to bad. they people attacking him. AHh watch this one new mage with almost same type of mace.
notice the meele animtiosn are a tad jerky but im sure they have worked on that by now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LC0KrZO79g&feature=related
all the cries of vaporware in regards to DFO serve only to demonstrate how much in demand a title like DFO is for the niche community of those interested in meaningful PvP in a sandbox environment.
The MMO landscape is filled with such crap these days. Just look at so many of the games on this site. The idea that someone will come along and create a sandbox PvP environment where the players have control and drive the conflict just looks so amazing in this bleak landscape of WoW/EQ clones.
But is DFO vapor? Will it ever release? Who knows. I think many of us are hopeful that it is not vapor and that it will release.
But at the end of the day its all sort of irrelevent. Regardless of all the cries of vapor, if it makes it and delivers what they've promised people will pile on.
So I guess I'm saying all the back and forth and flaming is sort of pointless.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
What you fail to see is that where AoC actually has videos of their interface showing their semi revolutionary combat system (which I'm not super interested in BTW) DF hasn't shown any vids of their actual combat interface.Also, why does every game have to take the genre somewhere new? Why can't a game improve upon the already working system? Evolution is a slow process....
You just dont get it do you?
I care jack-shit about Age of Conan. Funcom ride on the axles of Blizzard and is creating another mainstream shitgame. Thats is totally uninteresting to me. I have stopped playing shitgames. WoW were the last i tried. So im waiting for something else. And sure as hell, Age of Conan isnt something else.
Take a look at what you're saying Aragon. On the one hand you're attacking Funcom for not disclosing all info about their game (for NDA reasons, which ALL companies keep in place until they enter open Beta), while at the same time you congratulate Aventurine for not bowing to industry pressure and disclosing anything at all about their game to anyone. Maybe if you took a deep breath from your high-pitched torrent of abuse, you'd let some oxygen back into your brain and see your arguments for the hypocrisy they are.
And it's pretty easy to say that Aventurine will give everyone a chance to try their product before they decide to buy it or not... this far out from any sign of release, they could be saying that they'll pay you to play the game and you'd still be swallowing it up along with all the other promises.
If there will be any open beta! Will have to see about that first dont we.=) And lets say they have a 2 week long open beta, the ones preordering the game wont be helped by that. They bough the game before they actually knew the real product. A greedy system if youd ask me.
And i suggest you try to ventilate some oxygen into your brain first since youre having some severe reading comprehension issues atm. Aventurine will not take a cent from anyone before they actually tried the finished game out for themself. Did you understand that? Good.
If you understood that then explain to me what today knowledge of the game Darkfall mathers to anyone? You will be able to play the full game before buying it. Thats a very honest way to sell games and it also tell us alot about the Developers trust in their product.
You sir, have a real problem. First of all, to simply say, if you have a pre-oreder, there's no reason you can't cancel it. *smirks* Ever heard of that? So if you find out in Open Beta, the game is bad, you can cancel your pre-order, no harm done.Secondly, while in the beginning, I kind of respected you for your defense of DF and your mature way of doing so, lately, you have become nothing but a AoC hateboy, spewing insults at the game and its developers left and right. That is a severe fall mate. I'm sorry to see that.
I still hope DF releases as it is planned, I admit there is a chance it will, albeit the chances are, from all valid sources, not -that- big (which doesn't mean it won't be happening), but seriously, the game could use someone besides you to defend it by now. You just come across as bitter and resentful.
Well i couldnt care less what you think of me.
I dont like Funcom, Age of Conan or the immature developer, thats right. I dont like what Age of Conan stands for, a overhyped mainstream game that will in no way contribute taking MMORPG genre any further. And i dont like the blue-eyed AoC followers that looks at the latest leetest screenshot and imagines "this game just gotta be something out of the ordinary" when its actually is the same shit we been eating since WoW arrived. THAT, is fanatism.
On the other hand, believing in a game that have potential to actually bring this genre into something new and create a revolution among the MMORPG games is what im backing. Understand the difference? Another difference btw me and the AoC fans trolling Darkfall board here on MMORPG.com is that i dont troll the AoC board. Thats just for lowlifes.
What you fail to see is that where AoC actually has videos of their interface showing their semi revolutionary combat system (which I'm not super interested in BTW) DF hasn't shown any vids of their actual combat interface.Also, why does every game have to take the genre somewhere new? Why can't a game improve upon the already working system? Evolution is a slow process....
You just dont get it do you?
I care jack-shit about Age of Conan. Funcom ride on the axles of Blizzard and is creating another mainstream shitgame. Thats is totally uninteresting to me. I have stopped playing shitgames. WoW were the last i tried. So im waiting for something else. And sure as hell, Age of Conan isnt something else.
No, in fact, I don't get YOUR opinon in what YOU want in a new game. I definitely don't get that because I am not you.
Please mind your language.
But yeah, I was wrong anyways. Down to earth linked an older video that had a visible UI in combat. I couldn't necessarily tell how it worked in game, but it had hot bars on the side of the screen for different attacks and spells I guess. So DF does actually have that kind of video up and I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong about that. The thing is that seems a bit mainstream to me (hotbars and such), but if they can pull of "real-time, active combat" then it will be revolutionary for sure. If real time aiming and such comes into play the hotbars will mean nothing.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
From the looks of it the Darkfall fans should be thanking the guy. He's managed to generate more excitement around the game than I've seen in years.
I think that speaks volumes of how strong the general message they have about what type of game they want it to be is.
On the other hand....Age of Conan has been launching a massive PR campaign, coddling the fanbase and attacking Darkfall....
That speaks volumes about how strong their game concept is.
(Uzik ibnYaraq in game. Always willing to help.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/UzikAlJhamin
Actually...that only speaks for the contents of the two companies wallets.
You think any company that -can- pull off much advertising would -not- do it? Come on, be serious. And...where exactly is FC "coddling" the Fanbase? *blinks* I'm actually a little confused what you mean with that.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
This whole AOC and Darkfall shit has gone on long enough.
Its stupied. Let the people who want Darkfall talk about Darkfall
Let the people who want AoC talk about AoC.
Enough of this E Penis fighting. It just retarded, I have been a part of it and for that I am sorry.
AoC will be a decend game in its own right, it may come out and be great or it may come out and pull a "Vanguard". It should not matter either way unless you plan on playing AoC.
Darkfall will be a decend game in its own right, it may come out and be amazing or it may not come out at all. It should not matter either way unles syour plan on playing Darkfall.
I will be playing Darkfall. AoC looks okay but I am a huge fan of the Necromancer class and I dont like how AoC has them setup.
Lets stop all this fighting and arguing crap and just worry about your own game.
Enough is Enough already.
Darkfall is not Vaporware no matter how you slice it.
AoC is not pushing the genre forward no matter how you slice it.
AoC is going to be a great game for players looking for a more hardcore version of WoW.
Darkfall is going to be a great game for players looking for a real hardcore game with no EASY MODE.
P.S. sorry dont mean my post to come off bashing AoC.
Sooner or Later
Actually...that only speaks for the contents of the two companies wallets.
You think any company that -can- pull off much advertising would -not- do it? Come on, be serious. And...where exactly is FC "coddling" the Fanbase? *blinks* I'm actually a little confused what you mean with that.
They constantly release screenshots and promise about balance and shit because the Fanbase is complaining.
And it does speak a lot about the game. It is always easier to sell a good product, than convince people to buy a crappy one. Right now, AoC is convincing you to buy it (pre-order lawl), whereas Darkfall is secure in the fact that they will have a good game which will sell itself.
Even the fact that the AoC devs/community feel the need to constantly try and put DFO down shows how worried they are about their success.
GF AoC, wasn't close.
(Uzik ibnYaraq in game. Always willing to help.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/UzikAlJhamin
They constantly release screenshots and promise about balance and shit because the Fanbase is complaining.
And it does speak a lot about the game. It is always easier to sell a good product, than convince people to buy a crappy one. Right now, AoC is convincing you to buy it (pre-order lawl), whereas Darkfall is secure in the fact that they will have a good game which will sell itself.
Even the fact that the AoC devs/community feel the need to constantly try and put DFO down shows how worried they are about their success.
GF AoC, wasn't close.
Advertising your product is sign of a weak product? Man...do you live on the same planet as I do? I mean...do you fail to see all the ads for products out there? Is the new BMW a crappy car because you see ads everywhere? Is the new Sony TV a crappy one because they keep advertising it? Come on, that's really some backwards logic right there.Darkfall is not ready to be advertised. At least that's what I think. That's not to say I think it will be a crappy game, or that it won't release, but from what we see, the game is not ready to be advertised on any broader level and that's all there is to it.
As for the community....I point again to the glasshouse in which you are sitting. The DF community does the same thing to AoC.
Cheers.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
They constantly release screenshots and promise about balance and shit because the Fanbase is complaining.
And it does speak a lot about the game. It is always easier to sell a good product, than convince people to buy a crappy one. Right now, AoC is convincing you to buy it (pre-order lawl), whereas Darkfall is secure in the fact that they will have a good game which will sell itself.
Even the fact that the AoC devs/community feel the need to constantly try and put DFO down shows how worried they are about their success.
GF AoC, wasn't close.
Advertising your product is sign of a weak product? Man...do you live on the same planet as I do? I mean...do you fail to see all the ads for products out there? Is the new BMW a crappy car because you see ads everywhere? Is the new Sony TV a crappy one because they keep advertising it? Come on, that's really some backwards logic right there.Darkfall is not ready to be advertised. At least that's what I think. That's not to say I think it will be a crappy game, or that it won't release, but from what we see, the game is not ready to be advertised on any broader level and that's all there is to it.
As for the community....I point again to the glasshouse in which you are sitting. The DF community does the same thing to AoC.
Cheers.
they actully just dont want to advertise it
That's what they say. And you have a right to believe that. Just like I have a right to believe the AoC Developers. See...it's that easy. *shrugs*
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7