Yea how much info did oyu get before AOc or anyother game was in beta?
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
My thought is that you hasn't read the journals yourself? You take the words from someone who's intention is to do everything to trash the developers/develompment & community of this game?
We can't say anything for sure, but we can back up our comments with information from a source. Were do you get information that this game isn't in the development state that they claim it is?
If you choose not to belive that it might be a game under development and say that Tasos is lying to everyone. Well, I guess we can't do anything about it. But please explain your purpose why you're here, to convince us that's the words of trolls is stronger than words from the developers?
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Yea how much info did oyu get before AOc or anyother game was in beta?
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Yea how much info did oyu get before AOc or anyother game was in beta?
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
And once again, please enlight me were I have said that DF is best and beta will come this year. Everything you say is just speculations isnt it? Do you think you're look smart when you post comments like this?
My sig enlighten us about many peoples intention in here, read it and you might find similarities in 10% of the post in here.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Yea how much info did oyu get before AOc or anyother game was in beta?
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
And once again, please enlight me were I have said that DF is best and beta will come this year. Everything you say is just speculations isnt it? Do you think you're look smart when you post comments like this?
My sig enlighten us about many peoples intention in here, read it and you might find similarities in 10% of the post in here.
Actually you didn't read anything I said because if you HAD you'd know that I didn't say YOU said that. What I said, since your reading comprehension is obviously not what it needs to be, is that you guys are crusading against (which means arguing against in this case) any statements that are NOT "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!". Where in that you got that I said YOU personally said that is beyond me.
Try actually reading people's words before labeling them a troll. In fact, maybe take some time to read your own posts, and you might find that you yourself are trolling against the very people you are mis labeling.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Can you blame them for poking fun at them? I laugh with AoC dev's as well at this pathetic show of game designers. Darkfall is coming! lol!
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Actually you didn't read anything I said because if you HAD you'd know that I didn't say YOU said that. What I said, since your reading comprehension is obviously not what it needs to be, is that you guys are crusading against (which means arguing against in this case) any statements that are NOT "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!". Where in that you got that I said YOU personally said that is beyond me. Try actually reading people's words before labeling them a troll. In fact, maybe take some time to read your own posts, and you might find that you yourself are trolling against the very people you are mis labeling.
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Okay here it is. Plain and simple. Easy to understand. Easy to follow.
All the posters that think Darkfall is vaporware please provide your informaiton with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up.
All the posters that think Darkfall is going to be released soon please provide your information with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up.
Lets see which side has more proof.
Guess what niether side will be able to win because each side only uses opinions. So stop this fighting and flaming because niether side is going to convince the other side to switch views. Just stop, we all just need to step back and wait. If and when Darkfall is released we will have our answers.
I am on the side that darkfall will be released and beta will start this year but the only information that backs this up are Developer post that say beta is coming soon.
Actually you didn't read anything I said because if you HAD you'd know that I didn't say YOU said that. What I said, since your reading comprehension is obviously not what it needs to be, is that you guys are crusading against (which means arguing against in this case) any statements that are NOT "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!". Where in that you got that I said YOU personally said that is beyond me. Try actually reading people's words before labeling them a troll. In fact, maybe take some time to read your own posts, and you might find that you yourself are trolling against the very people you are mis labeling.
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
Fair enough. I don't go through many people's posting history so I couldn't tell you about Shannia. I just read the post that was quoted, and didn't see it as a troll. I understand the frustration that those types of posters can bring, and I do not agree with their methods of getting their point across.
I've said many times that Darkfall could go either way right now, and I truly believe that. It's just easier right now to label it as vaporware because it's not really going anywhere. It's been in development for like 7+ years and it's just kind stagnant right now. I respect your opinions on the matter though.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Yea how much info did oyu get before AOc or anyother game was in beta?
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
And once again, please enlight me were I have said that DF is best and beta will come this year. Everything you say is just speculations isnt it? Do you think you're look smart when you post comments like this?
My sig enlighten us about many peoples intention in here, read it and you might find similarities in 10% of the post in here.
That's absolutely false Segallion. I have read numerous posts in the past where you "guarantee" beta this year. Gonna look them up as we go.
And.. You are constantly claiming this game is the second coming more or less. Now, I really don't care if you guys like what you hear about Darkfall, but, this is getting ridiculous. This "blind" faith is getting you nowhere. You read people's comments and choose to ignore them.
Where is Darkfall?
Why has no one seen or played it?
Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention?
Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build?
Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one?
I'm not gonna argue the idea and presumed future features of Darkfall with you. They do indeed sound interesting and would be welcomed by the gaming community.
Where is Darkfall? - Darkfall is indevelopment in Greece. (stupied question gets a stupied answer)
Why has no one seen or played it? - Because its still in Development and we have seen it, they have videos and screenshots all over the place.
Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention? It has E3 in 2006.
Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build? because they dont want anybody to test the game untill it is 100% ready for beta/release. (been stated so many times by the Developers)
Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one? Because gamespot is a shit site with no real reviews just reviews based on the marketing money the site recieved from the game company.
So because Darkfall is not following the "normal" MMORPG marketing plan it is a failure? How does that work?
Because Darkfall has been in development for longer then most other games it is vaporware? why?
Because the Company creating Darkfall is small and does not have a full marketing team its going to fail?
Do you believe word of mouth is not the best form of marketing?
What is it about Darkfall that you hate so much to keep bashing it?
What happens when Darkfall releases? Will you play it? why or why not?
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
Actually you didn't read anything I said because if you HAD you'd know that I didn't say YOU said that. What I said, since your reading comprehension is obviously not what it needs to be, is that you guys are crusading against (which means arguing against in this case) any statements that are NOT "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!". Where in that you got that I said YOU personally said that is beyond me. Try actually reading people's words before labeling them a troll. In fact, maybe take some time to read your own posts, and you might find that you yourself are trolling against the very people you are mis labeling.
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
Fair enough. I don't go through many people's posting history so I couldn't tell you about Shannia. I just read the post that was quoted, and didn't see it as a troll. I understand the frustration that those types of posters can bring, and I do not agree with their methods of getting their point across.
I've said many times that Darkfall could go either way right now, and I truly believe that. It's just easier right now to label it as vaporware because it's not really going anywhere. It's been in development for like 7+ years and it's just kind stagnant right now. I respect your opinions on the matter though.
Oh but it does. It might not go in Blizzard speed but did you really expect that?=)
Graphics have picked up amazingly last year. New video about Cities&Locations which is a really good one that many of the vapor trolls chosed to comment like this "where is the NPC:s and where is the monsters and dungeons". They choosed to criticise what they didnt see instead of commenting what they were shawn. A typical reaction from Darkfall haters. And you come here trying to convince me and others that follow the game very, very closely that it isnt going anywhere?=) Well you fail badly.Information from developers have never been as hi as its been lately. What we can see in the 57 new screenshots we got so far 2008 is that the game looks very polished. And Tasos told us that were about to expect a video about Conquest in latest developer journal. Gameplay!!!, and who knows, we might see some NPC:s in it.=) They updated the Darkfall website and for a small team theyre doing just fine. Latest Dev Journal is the best so far, just pure quality. And im so glad they put all their workload on doing the game as good as they possibly can. Thats were they should put their workload, not running to the press every other day showing off this and that. Let the game speak for itself when its ready, and taking their sweet time finishing it make me believe even more. Seems Darkfall Team dont have financiers breathing down their necks.=)
Try to remember- most developer companies dont show off all details in their game before beta and release. Its good to have some parts to discover yourself, dont you agree?
And you know what, i believe in Darkfall Developers and think they is very truthful in their relation to the fans. They have to 99% stuck to their original idea. They inform the fans as good as they can and the Darkfall fans on Darkfall board is mostly very pleased with all updates. Some want more but thats nothing strange. They havent put out dates for beta and release cause they dont wanna make any more mistakes on that area. And they decided to let Aventurine SA publish in one region, which isnt anywhere close to what you try to imply- " game isnt going anywhere". Thats just false and what your intentions with your babbling is, is beyond me.
Can you please explain to me what you ment with the statement " Darkfall aint going anywhere?"=)
Where is Darkfall? - Darkfall is indevelopment in Greece. (stupied question gets a stupied answer) Why has no one seen or played it? - Because its still in Development and we have seen it, they have videos and screenshots all over the place. Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention? It has E3 in 2006. Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build? because they dont want anybody to test the game untill it is 100% ready for beta/release. (been stated so many times by the Developers) Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one? Because gamespot is a shit site with no real reviews just reviews based on the marketing money the site recieved from the game company. So because Darkfall is not following the "normal" MMORPG marketing plan it is a failure? How does that work? Because Darkfall has been in development for longer then most other games it is vaporware? why? Because the Company creating Darkfall is small and does not have a full marketing team its going to fail? Do you believe word of mouth is not the best form of marketing? What is it about Darkfall that you hate so much to keep bashing it? What happens when Darkfall releases? Will you play it? why or why not? See I can make up useless questions too.
LOL!
You guys have an answer for everything. What a waste of time trying to have a discussion with some of you people. Blind faith. No other way to describe it.
I'll tell you one thing though smart guy.
The day will eventually come when you have to put up or shut up.
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
So your sayiing becuase Darkfall is not following the tried and true path to MMO marketing and development they must be lieing about the game?
Wow your logic is flawless
No other company in the history of the world has ever gone againts the norm and successed is what your saying?
Where is Darkfall? - Darkfall is indevelopment in Greece. (stupied question gets a stupied answer) Why has no one seen or played it? - Because its still in Development and we have seen it, they have videos and screenshots all over the place. Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention? It has E3 in 2006. Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build? because they dont want anybody to test the game untill it is 100% ready for beta/release. (been stated so many times by the Developers) Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one? Because gamespot is a shit site with no real reviews just reviews based on the marketing money the site recieved from the game company. So because Darkfall is not following the "normal" MMORPG marketing plan it is a failure? How does that work? Because Darkfall has been in development for longer then most other games it is vaporware? why? Because the Company creating Darkfall is small and does not have a full marketing team its going to fail? Do you believe word of mouth is not the best form of marketing? What is it about Darkfall that you hate so much to keep bashing it? What happens when Darkfall releases? Will you play it? why or why not? See I can make up useless questions too.
LOL!
You guys have an answer for everything. What a waste of time trying to have a discussion with some of you people. Blind faith. No other way to describe it.
I'll tell you one thing though smart guy.
The day will eventually come when you have to put up or shut up.
Hmm I answered your questions but you cant answer mine? and I have to put up or shut up?
Seems to me you need to take your own advice.
Also I dont have blind faith, my faith is based on the MMO world needs Darkfall or we will never get away from the EASY MODE MMORPGs. So I have faith that Darkfall is coming based on information from the Developers and the information people have found on the EU granting money for Darkfall Development which tells me that Darkfall is real.
Now you and I and everyone else has to wait for Darkfall to be released before we know if Darkfall is a success or a failure.
Where is Darkfall? - Darkfall is indevelopment in Greece. (stupied question gets a stupied answer) Why has no one seen or played it? - Because its still in Development and we have seen it, they have videos and screenshots all over the place. These videos and shots are of things most companies toss together right after taking the game out of concept and in to initial construction. To be blunt...they've shown you the equivalent of the Bard Class in WoW. Do you really think Blizzard made any of that real? Oh sure...they had screenshots of the class interacting with things...even had moving animations. It took them probably a few hours to make.
Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention? It has E3 in 2006. You forgot to mention that they didn't actually SHOWCASE anything there. They had a booth...with some pamphlets and thats it. No screen, no alpha build to show off...no NOTHING. They could have been a local mormon or Jehovas Witness group for what anyone at that GAMING convention could tell. Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build? because they dont want anybody to test the game untill it is 100% ready for beta/release. (been stated so many times by the Developers) They've told the players they were 100% ready multiple times now. MOST people get in touch with gaming media and showcase SOMETHING before telling players 3 times over that they are ready for beta. Also, there is no reason NOT to showcase a game before its complete (in fact...no MMO is ever 100% complete at ANY time)...the media approach alpha stuff with the understanding its ALPHA stuff and review what they see on its OWN merits...and not some silly tech hurdle the game is ironing out in alpha. Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one? Because gamespot is a shit site with no real reviews just reviews based on the marketing money the site recieved from the game company. Spot on. Gamespot does suck, and you are 100% right about what you said here. So because Darkfall is not following the "normal" MMORPG marketing plan it is a failure? How does that work? Its a failure because even if it DOES release...the team is obviously not going to be able to handle the massive amount of customer support and game updates they WILL need. This is not even up for debate...even the most polished MMO's have needed to quickly patch some issues up after release...not to mention throughout the games life as patches introduce new issues. This company couldn't get a game which has been "beta" ready for several years now up to par for release...how the hell do you suppose they will handle trying to QUICKLY fix major issues as they arise?????? Because Darkfall has been in development for longer then most other games it is vaporware? why? Length of development is only ONE qualification for being vaporware. Its also important to note that Vaporware can become real games. However, it becomes vaporware the moment the game is hyped as nearly complete and ready and both fails to ever see the light of day in the SERIOUS gaming world, nor provide any real physical evidence of itself. Because the Company creating Darkfall is small and does not have a full marketing team its going to fail? TO be blunt again.....YES. Especially in a game with as much player content and features...if they intend to succeed they need to be VERY adept at solving and programming fixes to the MANY problems which will surface as the game grows. THEY. CAN. NOT. It requires a team that can at LEAST get a game into beta within the first 3 years of suggesting it was ready for it. Do you believe word of mouth is not the best form of marketing? Word of mouth is full of lies...especially when suits are concerned. The best form of marketing is SHOWING and ACTUAL PRODUCT...in any stage of its development. Word of mouth is much better for crushing public response....when it comes to building a consumer target base its best to...I dunno...have something to sell and SHOW it. What is it about Darkfall that you hate so much to keep bashing it? I hate liars, and I hate people that use the hopeful MMORPG fans of the world to further their own non-gaming agenda. Oh, I know other companies do it too...but they at least give me a GAME for it. I fully think that Adventurine is using your silly faith as a way to prove they are great at spreading word of mouth to encourage investors to give them money. I also think that this game is by and far the last thing they are worried about. I suspect they have more important ventures that they devote time to first...and I just don't have time to be second place when my monthly subscription is concerned. What happens when Darkfall releases? Will you play it? why or why not? Nope. Probably not. Knowing that they have the smallest team to ever TRY to make a AAA MMO, I understand that this game will not receive the support I require from my MMO's now. See I can make up useless questions too. Questions are rarely ever useless....its the answers and what you chose to DO with that information that can be....decidedly useless.
Okay here it is. Plain and simple. Easy to understand. Easy to follow. All the posters that think Darkfall is vaporware please provide your informaiton with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up. All the posters that think Darkfall is going to be released soon please provide your information with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up. Lets see which side has more proof.
Guess what niether side will be able to win because each side only uses opinions. So stop this fighting and flaming because niether side is going to convince the other side to switch views. Just stop, we all just need to step back and wait. If and when Darkfall is released we will have our answers. I am on the side that darkfall will be released and beta will start this year but the only information that backs this up are Developer post that say beta is coming soon.
We will eventually have all the proof we need smart guy.
See... We don't need to prove anything. Time is on our side. As time continues to tick... tick... tick... and Darkfall continues to not have a beta, then that is really all the proof we need.
So... We will eventually outlast you for the truth. It's that simple.
I have a question to ask you smart guy
Honestly now... How many more years are you willing to wait before you guys give up this crusade? How many?
And I will guarantee you this. When we actually see a Darkfall beta begin, OR a major gaming mag preview, we will give up our crusade, so to speak.
Okay here it is. Plain and simple. Easy to understand. Easy to follow. All the posters that think Darkfall is vaporware please provide your informaiton with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up. All the posters that think Darkfall is going to be released soon please provide your information with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up. Lets see which side has more proof.
Guess what niether side will be able to win because each side only uses opinions. So stop this fighting and flaming because niether side is going to convince the other side to switch views. Just stop, we all just need to step back and wait. If and when Darkfall is released we will have our answers. I am on the side that darkfall will be released and beta will start this year but the only information that backs this up are Developer post that say beta is coming soon.
We will eventually have all the proof we need smart guy.
See... We don't need to prove anything. Time is on our side. As time continues to tick... tick... tick... and Darkfall continues to not have a beta, then that is really all the proof we need.
So... We will eventually outlast you for the truth. It's that simple.
I have a question to ask you smart guy
Honestly now... How many more years are you willing to wait before you guys give up this crusade? How many?
And I will guarantee you this. When we actually see a Darkfall beta begin, OR a major gaming mag preview, we will give up our crusade, so to speak.
Put it this way, IF darkfall doesn't come out then i can just move on and get on with my life, IF darkfall does release then i'll be playing and you'll be hating. Either way i win.
Good-day to you sir.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
So your sayiing becuase Darkfall is not following the tried and true path to MMO marketing and development they must be lieing about the game?
Wow your logic is flawless
No other company in the history of the world has ever gone againts the norm and successed is what your saying?
How about you actually stop dodging his points and refute them. Instead of trying to attack his character. Then again why bother, because that's pretty much all that's happened in this thread. Outside of a post here and there by Aragon. Most of you supporters are just repeating the same thing over and over.
You're acting like a less then trustworthy politician would. Instead of addressing the issues at hand, or answering the really tough questions. That you know you don't have any answer for, or rather an answer that people would find acceptable. You dodge the question, then use personal attacks and/or misdirection to divert to something else.
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Okay here it is. Plain and simple. Easy to understand. Easy to follow. All the posters that think Darkfall is vaporware please provide your informaiton with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up. All the posters that think Darkfall is going to be released soon please provide your information with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up. Lets see which side has more proof.
Guess what niether side will be able to win because each side only uses opinions. So stop this fighting and flaming because niether side is going to convince the other side to switch views. Just stop, we all just need to step back and wait. If and when Darkfall is released we will have our answers. I am on the side that darkfall will be released and beta will start this year but the only information that backs this up are Developer post that say beta is coming soon.
We will eventually have all the proof we need smart guy.
See... We don't need to prove anything. Time is on our side. As time continues to tick... tick... tick... and Darkfall continues to not have a beta, then that is really all the proof we need.
So... We will eventually outlast you for the truth. It's that simple.
I have a question to ask you smart guy
Honestly now... How many more years are you willing to wait before you guys give up this crusade? How many?
And I will guarantee you this. When we actually see a Darkfall beta begin, OR a major gaming mag preview, we will give up our crusade, so to speak.
Been watching Darkfall for 2 years and it takes no effort on my part to keep an eye on the Darkfall website for updates so as many years as it takes
I guarantee you this though when Darkfall gets released you will not give up the cursade, you will just change your complaint to something else like graphics or the Full PvP loot or something.
Your cursade is just as pointless as our is in all honest. We can argue till the end of the world (12-12-2012) and still not know oneway or the other. The only way this ends is when Darkfall is either released or cancelled.
I can agree that time is on yourside and I can understand to a point why people are calling it Vaporware but what I cant understand is why your side of the field has to constantly bash a game that you have either no intrested in or dont want to follow anymore. Your side of the feel seems to love attacking a game that does not effect you at all.
Its like me attacking and bashing the goverment of Japen because they lied to their people, what the fuck do I care, I live in the USA.
Darkfall is our last hope at destorying what WoW created and that is EASY MODE MMORPGs.
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
So your sayiing becuase Darkfall is not following the tried and true path to MMO marketing and development they must be lieing about the game?
Wow your logic is flawless
No other company in the history of the world has ever gone againts the norm and successed is what your saying?
How about you actually stop dodging his points and refute them. Instead of trying to attack his character. Then again why bother, because that's pretty much all that's happened in this thread. Outside of a post here and there by Aragon. Most of you supporters are just repeating the same thing over and over.
You're acting like a less then trustworthy politician would. Instead of addressing the issues at hand, or answering the really tough questions. That you know you don't have any answer for, or rather an answer that people would find acceptable. You dodge the question, then use personal attacks and/or misdirection to divert to something else.
Most of you haters are just repeating the same things over and over again as well.
I cant answer his question because he wants to know why the Darkfall Developers dont allow so called "Industral professionals" to review there game but I ask you to name one gaming site or mag that doesnt review the game based which company paid them the most money?
Only Darkfall Developers can answer why they dont show their game to so called Professionals. We can guess all we like but niether the haters nor the supports can answer the question. Personally I would not allow anybody to review or preview my game untill I was 100% happy with how the game ran. Once I was done with the game then I would allow others outside the company play the game. I would not be like all the other companies and put out half done games and hype them.
Do you think WoW was 100% done when released? Nope not even close. So Darkfall is going down a path unknown to the current MMORPG market, does that mean they will fail automaticly?
Also if you read his post he attacked the supports of darkfall but you bash me for attacking him. Typical haters, you can personally attack the supports but god forbid we can attack you guys back. That just wouldnt be right.
He says NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY HAS. So what he is saying because no other gaming company has ever gone againts the "norm" and been successful? What else can I take from that part of his post?
Actually you didn't read anything I said because if you HAD you'd know that I didn't say YOU said that. What I said, since your reading comprehension is obviously not what it needs to be, is that you guys are crusading against (which means arguing against in this case) any statements that are NOT "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!". Where in that you got that I said YOU personally said that is beyond me. Try actually reading people's words before labeling them a troll. In fact, maybe take some time to read your own posts, and you might find that you yourself are trolling against the very people you are mis labeling.
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
Fair enough. I don't go through many people's posting history so I couldn't tell you about Shannia. I just read the post that was quoted, and didn't see it as a troll. I understand the frustration that those types of posters can bring, and I do not agree with their methods of getting their point across.
I've said many times that Darkfall could go either way right now, and I truly believe that. It's just easier right now to label it as vaporware because it's not really going anywhere. It's been in development for like 7+ years and it's just kind stagnant right now. I respect your opinions on the matter though.
Oh but it does. It might not go in Blizzard speed but did you really expect that?=)
Graphics have picked up amazingly last year. New video about Cities&Locations which is a really good one that many of the vapor trolls chosed to comment like this "where is the NPC:s and where is the monsters and dungeons". They choosed to criticise what they didnt see instead of commenting what they were shawn. A typical reaction from Darkfall haters. And you come here trying to convince me and others that follow the game very, very closely that it isnt going anywhere?=) Well you fail badly.Information from developers have never been as hi as its been lately. What we can see in the 57 new screenshots we got so far 2008 is that the game looks very polished. And Tasos told us that were about to expect a video about Conquest in latest developer journal. Gameplay!!!, and who knows, we might see some NPC:s in it.=) They updated the Darkfall website and for a small team theyre doing just fine. Latest Dev Journal is the best so far, just pure quality. And im so glad they put all their workload on doing the game as good as they possibly can. Thats were they should put their workload, not running to the press every other day showing off this and that. Let the game speak for itself when its ready, and taking their sweet time finishing it make me believe even more. Seems Darkfall Team dont have financiers breathing down their necks.=)
Try to remember- most developer companies dont show off all details in their game before beta and release. Its good to have some parts to discover yourself, dont you agree?
And you know what, i believe in Darkfall Developers and think they is very truthful in their relation to the fans. They have to 99% stuck to their original idea. They inform the fans as good as they can and the Darkfall fans on Darkfall board is mostly very pleased with all updates. Some want more but thats nothing strange. They havent put out dates for beta and release cause they dont wanna make any more mistakes on that area. And they decided to let Aventurine SA publish in one region, which isnt anywhere close to what you try to imply- " game isnt going anywhere". Thats just false and what your intentions with your babbling is, is beyond me.
Can you please explain to me what you ment with the statement " Darkfall aint going anywhere?"=)
Why does it have to be babbling? I can't have an opinion?
What I meant by that statement is that it's been in development for a long long long time even by MMO standards, and it hasn't even hit CB yet. I didn't say it's not releasing, I didn't say you guys were wrong to have faith in the game. I didn't say any of the stuff that you decided I said. What I said was that it's been in development for a long time, and it's not moving ahead it seems. I do agree that the graphics have gotten better, and I do agree that the ideas behind the game are amazing. What I was saying was that from my perspective, and from the perspective of a lot of potential players is that it just doesn't seem to be moving towards release.
Give us the vids of gameplay, and some screens of the new UI and I will happily ammend my statement.
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http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=52906
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
My thought is that you hasn't read the journals yourself? You take the words from someone who's intention is to do everything to trash the developers/develompment & community of this game?
We can't say anything for sure, but we can back up our comments with information from a source. Were do you get information that this game isn't in the development state that they claim it is?
If you choose not to belive that it might be a game under development and say that Tasos is lying to everyone. Well, I guess we can't do anything about it. But please explain your purpose why you're here, to convince us that's the words of trolls is stronger than words from the developers?
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And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
And once again, please enlight me were I have said that DF is best and beta will come this year. Everything you say is just speculations isnt it? Do you think you're look smart when you post comments like this?
My sig enlighten us about many peoples intention in here, read it and you might find similarities in 10% of the post in here.
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Can you blame them for poking fun at them? I laugh with AoC dev's as well at this pathetic show of game designers. Darkfall is coming! lol!
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
And once again, please enlight me were I have said that DF is best and beta will come this year. Everything you say is just speculations isnt it? Do you think you're look smart when you post comments like this?
My sig enlighten us about many peoples intention in here, read it and you might find similarities in 10% of the post in here.
Actually you didn't read anything I said because if you HAD you'd know that I didn't say YOU said that. What I said, since your reading comprehension is obviously not what it needs to be, is that you guys are crusading against (which means arguing against in this case) any statements that are NOT "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!". Where in that you got that I said YOU personally said that is beyond me.
Try actually reading people's words before labeling them a troll. In fact, maybe take some time to read your own posts, and you might find that you yourself are trolling against the very people you are mis labeling.
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
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The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
Okay here it is. Plain and simple. Easy to understand. Easy to follow.
All the posters that think Darkfall is vaporware please provide your informaiton with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up.
All the posters that think Darkfall is going to be released soon please provide your information with facts (no opinions) and provide links to back it up.
Lets see which side has more proof.
Guess what niether side will be able to win because each side only uses opinions. So stop this fighting and flaming because niether side is going to convince the other side to switch views. Just stop, we all just need to step back and wait. If and when Darkfall is released we will have our answers.
I am on the side that darkfall will be released and beta will start this year but the only information that backs this up are Developer post that say beta is coming soon.
Sooner or Later
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
Fair enough. I don't go through many people's posting history so I couldn't tell you about Shannia. I just read the post that was quoted, and didn't see it as a troll. I understand the frustration that those types of posters can bring, and I do not agree with their methods of getting their point across.
I've said many times that Darkfall could go either way right now, and I truly believe that. It's just easier right now to label it as vaporware because it's not really going anywhere. It's been in development for like 7+ years and it's just kind stagnant right now. I respect your opinions on the matter though.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
That has ZERO to do with this game. The devs themselves have said they almost released 2x already but didn't get the publishing deal they wanted. That being said, this game is supposedly ready. That means we should have all the information we need. That means that if they are still working on it, it should be nothing but polish at this time. Yet we get no beta and very sketchy information. Wonder why that is?
The reason for the serious lack of information is because "they got na'TING" as Sgt Shultz would say.
So you say that other games wasn't close to be done when they're were closed to beta/release? Or do you mean that they sould go out with all information about everything before beta? Or was all this drivel just so you should look smart when you wrote the last sentence? Please elaborate.
Personally i think she tried to look smart. Anybody else?
Shannia makes a totally valid point: either (a) the game is, as Aventurine claims, "ready to go except for a bit of final polish", in which case there would be NO good reason not to show a working model of DF in Beta, or at a gaming convention, or *somewhere*,
OR
(b) the game is not as ready as Aventurine claims, in which case they are lying.
Pretty obvious really, to (almost) everyone. Full credit to downtoearth, Aragon100 and Seggallion though for valiantly managing to draw out this non-debate for so many pages. Hoping you'll be the next "mystery guests" to be invited to Greece for a sniff around their internal testing labs, eh boys? Wouldn't hold your breath...
Aragon100 and Segallion: personal attacks against posters who are not just flaming does nothing for your cause. You guys are crusading against anything that isn't "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!!!" and that is just not going to work out. Shannia brought up a very valid point, and it had nothing to do with trying to "look smart". Adventurine keeps saying that they are ready to release, and then saying that they are self publishing, and then saying that they didn't release because of publishing issues. Problem is they have nothing to show for it. Bringing their supposedly "completed" game to a convention would do nothing but help them to release. If the game is as good as they claim it would bring the necessary hype to the game to get a publisher's interest, and that would amount to $$ in their pockets. So really, you guys are the ones just trying to "look smart" by crapping all over anyone who comes here with a real opinion.
Blind faith can only get you so far.
And once again, please enlight me were I have said that DF is best and beta will come this year. Everything you say is just speculations isnt it? Do you think you're look smart when you post comments like this?
My sig enlighten us about many peoples intention in here, read it and you might find similarities in 10% of the post in here.
That's absolutely false Segallion. I have read numerous posts in the past where you "guarantee" beta this year. Gonna look them up as we go.
And.. You are constantly claiming this game is the second coming more or less. Now, I really don't care if you guys like what you hear about Darkfall, but, this is getting ridiculous. This "blind" faith is getting you nowhere. You read people's comments and choose to ignore them.
Where is Darkfall?
Why has no one seen or played it?
Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention?
Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build?
Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one?
I'm not gonna argue the idea and presumed future features of Darkfall with you. They do indeed sound interesting and would be welcomed by the gaming community.
But, I will ask again.
Where is Darkfall?
Where is Darkfall? - Darkfall is indevelopment in Greece. (stupied question gets a stupied answer)
Why has no one seen or played it? - Because its still in Development and we have seen it, they have videos and screenshots all over the place.
Why has it not at least been showcased at a gaming convention? It has E3 in 2006.
Why has NO gaming mag at least had the opportunity to see an alpha build? because they dont want anybody to test the game untill it is 100% ready for beta/release. (been stated so many times by the Developers)
Go to gamespot.com and you will see "early" alpha impressions of lots of upcoming games. Why not this one? Because gamespot is a shit site with no real reviews just reviews based on the marketing money the site recieved from the game company.
So because Darkfall is not following the "normal" MMORPG marketing plan it is a failure? How does that work?
Because Darkfall has been in development for longer then most other games it is vaporware? why?
Because the Company creating Darkfall is small and does not have a full marketing team its going to fail?
Do you believe word of mouth is not the best form of marketing?
What is it about Darkfall that you hate so much to keep bashing it?
What happens when Darkfall releases? Will you play it? why or why not?
See I can make up useless questions too.
Sooner or Later
There is no Darfall.
There is only Zuul.
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
Fair enough. I don't go through many people's posting history so I couldn't tell you about Shannia. I just read the post that was quoted, and didn't see it as a troll. I understand the frustration that those types of posters can bring, and I do not agree with their methods of getting their point across.
I've said many times that Darkfall could go either way right now, and I truly believe that. It's just easier right now to label it as vaporware because it's not really going anywhere. It's been in development for like 7+ years and it's just kind stagnant right now. I respect your opinions on the matter though.
Oh but it does. It might not go in Blizzard speed but did you really expect that?=)
Graphics have picked up amazingly last year. New video about Cities&Locations which is a really good one that many of the vapor trolls chosed to comment like this "where is the NPC:s and where is the monsters and dungeons". They choosed to criticise what they didnt see instead of commenting what they were shawn. A typical reaction from Darkfall haters. And you come here trying to convince me and others that follow the game very, very closely that it isnt going anywhere?=) Well you fail badly. Information from developers have never been as hi as its been lately. What we can see in the 57 new screenshots we got so far 2008 is that the game looks very polished. And Tasos told us that were about to expect a video about Conquest in latest developer journal. Gameplay!!!, and who knows, we might see some NPC:s in it.=) They updated the Darkfall website and for a small team theyre doing just fine. Latest Dev Journal is the best so far, just pure quality. And im so glad they put all their workload on doing the game as good as they possibly can. Thats were they should put their workload, not running to the press every other day showing off this and that. Let the game speak for itself when its ready, and taking their sweet time finishing it make me believe even more. Seems Darkfall Team dont have financiers breathing down their necks.=)
Try to remember- most developer companies dont show off all details in their game before beta and release. Its good to have some parts to discover yourself, dont you agree?
And you know what, i believe in Darkfall Developers and think they is very truthful in their relation to the fans. They have to 99% stuck to their original idea. They inform the fans as good as they can and the Darkfall fans on Darkfall board is mostly very pleased with all updates. Some want more but thats nothing strange. They havent put out dates for beta and release cause they dont wanna make any more mistakes on that area. And they decided to let Aventurine SA publish in one region, which isnt anywhere close to what you try to imply- " game isnt going anywhere". Thats just false and what your intentions with your babbling is, is beyond me.
Can you please explain to me what you ment with the statement " Darkfall aint going anywhere?"=)
LOL!
You guys have an answer for everything. What a waste of time trying to have a discussion with some of you people. Blind faith. No other way to describe it.
I'll tell you one thing though smart guy.
The day will eventually come when you have to put up or shut up.
There is no Darfall.
There is only Zuul.
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
So your sayiing becuase Darkfall is not following the tried and true path to MMO marketing and development they must be lieing about the game?
Wow your logic is flawless
No other company in the history of the world has ever gone againts the norm and successed is what your saying?
Sooner or Later
LOL!
You guys have an answer for everything. What a waste of time trying to have a discussion with some of you people. Blind faith. No other way to describe it.
I'll tell you one thing though smart guy.
The day will eventually come when you have to put up or shut up.
Hmm I answered your questions but you cant answer mine? and I have to put up or shut up?
Seems to me you need to take your own advice.
Also I dont have blind faith, my faith is based on the MMO world needs Darkfall or we will never get away from the EASY MODE MMORPGs. So I have faith that Darkfall is coming based on information from the Developers and the information people have found on the EU granting money for Darkfall Development which tells me that Darkfall is real.
Now you and I and everyone else has to wait for Darkfall to be released before we know if Darkfall is a success or a failure.
Sooner or Later
We will eventually have all the proof we need smart guy.
See... We don't need to prove anything. Time is on our side. As time continues to tick... tick... tick... and Darkfall continues to not have a beta, then that is really all the proof we need.
So... We will eventually outlast you for the truth. It's that simple.
I have a question to ask you smart guy
Honestly now... How many more years are you willing to wait before you guys give up this crusade? How many?
And I will guarantee you this. When we actually see a Darkfall beta begin, OR a major gaming mag preview, we will give up our crusade, so to speak.
We will eventually have all the proof we need smart guy.
See... We don't need to prove anything. Time is on our side. As time continues to tick... tick... tick... and Darkfall continues to not have a beta, then that is really all the proof we need.
So... We will eventually outlast you for the truth. It's that simple.
I have a question to ask you smart guy
Honestly now... How many more years are you willing to wait before you guys give up this crusade? How many?
And I will guarantee you this. When we actually see a Darkfall beta begin, OR a major gaming mag preview, we will give up our crusade, so to speak.
Put it this way, IF darkfall doesn't come out then i can just move on and get on with my life, IF darkfall does release then i'll be playing and you'll be hating. Either way i win.
Good-day to you sir.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
There is no Darfall.
There is only Zuul.
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
So your sayiing becuase Darkfall is not following the tried and true path to MMO marketing and development they must be lieing about the game?
Wow your logic is flawless
No other company in the history of the world has ever gone againts the norm and successed is what your saying?
How about you actually stop dodging his points and refute them. Instead of trying to attack his character. Then again why bother, because that's pretty much all that's happened in this thread. Outside of a post here and there by Aragon. Most of you supporters are just repeating the same thing over and over.
You're acting like a less then trustworthy politician would. Instead of addressing the issues at hand, or answering the really tough questions. That you know you don't have any answer for, or rather an answer that people would find acceptable. You dodge the question, then use personal attacks and/or misdirection to divert to something else.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
We will eventually have all the proof we need smart guy.
See... We don't need to prove anything. Time is on our side. As time continues to tick... tick... tick... and Darkfall continues to not have a beta, then that is really all the proof we need.
So... We will eventually outlast you for the truth. It's that simple.
I have a question to ask you smart guy
Honestly now... How many more years are you willing to wait before you guys give up this crusade? How many?
And I will guarantee you this. When we actually see a Darkfall beta begin, OR a major gaming mag preview, we will give up our crusade, so to speak.
Been watching Darkfall for 2 years and it takes no effort on my part to keep an eye on the Darkfall website for updates so as many years as it takes
I guarantee you this though when Darkfall gets released you will not give up the cursade, you will just change your complaint to something else like graphics or the Full PvP loot or something.
Your cursade is just as pointless as our is in all honest. We can argue till the end of the world (12-12-2012) and still not know oneway or the other. The only way this ends is when Darkfall is either released or cancelled.
I can agree that time is on yourside and I can understand to a point why people are calling it Vaporware but what I cant understand is why your side of the field has to constantly bash a game that you have either no intrested in or dont want to follow anymore. Your side of the feel seems to love attacking a game that does not effect you at all.
Its like me attacking and bashing the goverment of Japen because they lied to their people, what the fuck do I care, I live in the USA.
Darkfall is our last hope at destorying what WoW created and that is EASY MODE MMORPGs.
Sooner or Later
There is no Darfall.
There is only Zuul.
I'd actually contribute more to this actual topic...but I've already said just about everything that NEEDS to be said on this matter over my many other posts already IN this thread.
TO answer your question more seriously....Adventurine doesn't let "real" people see their game. Instead of industry media professionals...they only show THEIR game off to a couple family members and one random guild that no one ever cares about or talks to. They do not want you to see ANY build of their game...and have gone to GREAT lengths to avoid even the simplest of cost free methods for doing so.
Let the supporters speculate as to WHY any respectable gaming company would do this. I know what I believe....and its a two-theory ideal. A: There is no game, this was their way to prove to investors for another company division that they had amazing marketing hype skills to get finances to do their many other endeavors or....
B: The game IS real, but they could NEVER make it. All of this hype is a giant marketing tool to get more investors to jump in so that they can actually pay for the team to make it. All of the hype built from this is based on vaporware that they HOPE to make a game someday....but have had to use large amounts of the acquired money for other sections of their company already.
MY ideal of the truth is at least backed by corporate business history across the globe (and still used today). These supporters ideal of the truth is backed by little more than madness....as NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY EVER has gone to such lengths to avoid showcasing their Alpha and Beta builds to SOMEONE. They are forced to believe in something that has never happened, and believe it blindly.
So your sayiing becuase Darkfall is not following the tried and true path to MMO marketing and development they must be lieing about the game?
Wow your logic is flawless
No other company in the history of the world has ever gone againts the norm and successed is what your saying?
How about you actually stop dodging his points and refute them. Instead of trying to attack his character. Then again why bother, because that's pretty much all that's happened in this thread. Outside of a post here and there by Aragon. Most of you supporters are just repeating the same thing over and over.
You're acting like a less then trustworthy politician would. Instead of addressing the issues at hand, or answering the really tough questions. That you know you don't have any answer for, or rather an answer that people would find acceptable. You dodge the question, then use personal attacks and/or misdirection to divert to something else.
Most of you haters are just repeating the same things over and over again as well.
I cant answer his question because he wants to know why the Darkfall Developers dont allow so called "Industral professionals" to review there game but I ask you to name one gaming site or mag that doesnt review the game based which company paid them the most money?
Only Darkfall Developers can answer why they dont show their game to so called Professionals. We can guess all we like but niether the haters nor the supports can answer the question. Personally I would not allow anybody to review or preview my game untill I was 100% happy with how the game ran. Once I was done with the game then I would allow others outside the company play the game. I would not be like all the other companies and put out half done games and hype them.
Do you think WoW was 100% done when released? Nope not even close. So Darkfall is going down a path unknown to the current MMORPG market, does that mean they will fail automaticly?
Also if you read his post he attacked the supports of darkfall but you bash me for attacking him. Typical haters, you can personally attack the supports but god forbid we can attack you guys back. That just wouldnt be right.
He says NO OTHER GAMING COMPANY HAS. So what he is saying because no other gaming company has ever gone againts the "norm" and been successful? What else can I take from that part of his post?
Sooner or Later
Aye I missed "anything that isn't" part. And I didn't say that you or Shannia is a troll. But if you read Shannias post in here you find nothing accept negative comments. He has said that he wants a game like darkfall by a real developing company instead of the Hoax we have now. And if we draw a conclusion from every other post hes intention in here will never be positive. I can be wrong tho.
but you say we're only listnen to people saying "DARKFALL IS TEH BEZT!!! BETA THIS YEAR!" and thats not true, But I don't see anyone accept us who say something about the troll attempts. Isn't that equal?
Fair enough. I don't go through many people's posting history so I couldn't tell you about Shannia. I just read the post that was quoted, and didn't see it as a troll. I understand the frustration that those types of posters can bring, and I do not agree with their methods of getting their point across.
I've said many times that Darkfall could go either way right now, and I truly believe that. It's just easier right now to label it as vaporware because it's not really going anywhere. It's been in development for like 7+ years and it's just kind stagnant right now. I respect your opinions on the matter though.
Oh but it does. It might not go in Blizzard speed but did you really expect that?=)
Graphics have picked up amazingly last year. New video about Cities&Locations which is a really good one that many of the vapor trolls chosed to comment like this "where is the NPC:s and where is the monsters and dungeons". They choosed to criticise what they didnt see instead of commenting what they were shawn. A typical reaction from Darkfall haters. And you come here trying to convince me and others that follow the game very, very closely that it isnt going anywhere?=) Well you fail badly. Information from developers have never been as hi as its been lately. What we can see in the 57 new screenshots we got so far 2008 is that the game looks very polished. And Tasos told us that were about to expect a video about Conquest in latest developer journal. Gameplay!!!, and who knows, we might see some NPC:s in it.=) They updated the Darkfall website and for a small team theyre doing just fine. Latest Dev Journal is the best so far, just pure quality. And im so glad they put all their workload on doing the game as good as they possibly can. Thats were they should put their workload, not running to the press every other day showing off this and that. Let the game speak for itself when its ready, and taking their sweet time finishing it make me believe even more. Seems Darkfall Team dont have financiers breathing down their necks.=)
Try to remember- most developer companies dont show off all details in their game before beta and release. Its good to have some parts to discover yourself, dont you agree?
And you know what, i believe in Darkfall Developers and think they is very truthful in their relation to the fans. They have to 99% stuck to their original idea. They inform the fans as good as they can and the Darkfall fans on Darkfall board is mostly very pleased with all updates. Some want more but thats nothing strange. They havent put out dates for beta and release cause they dont wanna make any more mistakes on that area. And they decided to let Aventurine SA publish in one region, which isnt anywhere close to what you try to imply- " game isnt going anywhere". Thats just false and what your intentions with your babbling is, is beyond me.
Can you please explain to me what you ment with the statement " Darkfall aint going anywhere?"=)
Why does it have to be babbling? I can't have an opinion?
What I meant by that statement is that it's been in development for a long long long time even by MMO standards, and it hasn't even hit CB yet. I didn't say it's not releasing, I didn't say you guys were wrong to have faith in the game. I didn't say any of the stuff that you decided I said. What I said was that it's been in development for a long time, and it's not moving ahead it seems. I do agree that the graphics have gotten better, and I do agree that the ideas behind the game are amazing. What I was saying was that from my perspective, and from the perspective of a lot of potential players is that it just doesn't seem to be moving towards release.
Give us the vids of gameplay, and some screens of the new UI and I will happily ammend my statement.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Here is a good one that "might" explain abit why we see so many AoC-fans rampaging the Darkfall website.
http://themuffinarium.blogspot.com/