To All new players and players thinking about joining SWG

nakuma · April 2008

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

here is my hint to new players.
play eve.

I agree, who wouldn't want to wait 5 years to become skilled.

dude please i played both. eve you can be skilled within 3 months. and take on a majority of pvp based experiences within corp poltiics in 0.0 space. so dont even go there. only real difference between a 3 month podder, and a person who has played for 4 years is the guy with 4 years has more options to choose from, you still have to have the skills necessary to pilot the ship, interact with it, manage it (CM, ECM, electronics, guns, drones) invariably I can be in the game 3 months and take on a BS if i skill myself up properly. so nice try.

iwantmyswg · April 2008

Originally posted by ummax

So here is the thing IT DOESN'T matter if i love the game. It also DOESN'T matter if you hate the game.
Its just an endless debate that goes on forever.. and on that note I have no idea why i keep banging my head against a wall pointing out the obvious.. but such is life
If something fails its shut down and it goes away. PERIOD
If you want to say YOU *think* the game has failed that's fine but that doesnt make it any more true then someone saying its an epic blockbuster hit bigger then wow and all those other games put together. Both are based on pure personal reactions. That's it that's all there is to this nothing more..
I however dont hate sony I"m pretty objective. When they broke my game I left and closed the door behind me. Then one day i just happened to login and found the game was fixed. I reactivated my account and played it. That was about 2 months ago .
Is that such a crime? lol
LOoks like it to me by these boards.. How dare I a vet someone who opened an account in 2003 say something remotely positive about a game and LIKE IT OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME..

swg has failed i know that 250k of my friends know that and you know that.

and yes it does matter if we hate the game we are swg true player base we are the ones that went out and made content. we are the ones who got 3 day long pvp fights going. we are the ones who worked to get jedi. we are the swg pre-cu player base one of the best player bases in the world and how did $OE repay us for being loyal to them? we got the cu/nge.

you want proof that the game has failed lookat the servers. most of them are dead. the so called live ones are dieing. bloodfin has maybe 40 people on it. starsider has maybe 20. bria a server that went to full in pre-cu prime time has no one on there. there is your proof.

want more proof look at the swg forums. no one likes the new jedi stuff. no one likes collections. space has been a joke. pvp is a joke. and many people on the forums are calling out for a return to swg's true system. however $OE won't so now it is a dead game that will be shut down soon.

and that shows that we vets are right. not only that if they don't they will have to deal with us vets for a long time. we will be telling anyone who wants to try the game out to stay away. we will be showing all the lies $OE has told the player base. we are in the right and everyone on this site knows that.

even your own fanbois are turning on swg why cuz they see that we are right.

so if you like the game go back to the swg forums you can come back and say we are right when it gets shut down or rolled back to the pre-cu

DarthRaiden · April 2008

Originally posted by ummax

see this is the thing opinions DONT count.   Thats the thing if it was a failure the game would NOT exist and the servers would have been shut down.   It doesn't matter what you feel yourself as an opinion or what I feel myself as an opinion so there is not much argument over what is and what you think.     Plain cold fact is what matters.
here are games that failed as they shut down to my knowledge
Seed
Ryzom (i think its shut down now.. after being sold not sure though)
Dark and LIght
Those are the ones that I know failed because they are dead and gone.    It lives and they pour money into it therefore at this point in time until otherwise proven the game is indeed succeeding despite laments of people who would desperatly love to see if fail cause they are so angry etc at sony and hate its guts. I think it also bothering you that the game still exists despite your wishes that it didn't. As they put it "it aint over til the fat lady sings" .   I can't even deem other games with servers that are running to be failures other then I dislike them because they do exist and pull in revenue
So here is the thing IT DOESN'T matter if i love the game. It also DOESN'T matter if you hate the game.
Its just an endless debate that goes on forever.. and on that note I have no idea why i keep banging my head against a wall pointing out the obvious.. but such is life
If something fails its shut down and it goes away.   PERIOD
If you want to say YOU *think* the game has failed that's fine but that doesnt make it any more true then someone saying its an epic blockbuster hit bigger then wow and all those other games put together. Both are based on pure personal reactions. That's it that's all there is to this nothing more..
I however dont hate sony I"m pretty objective. When they broke my game I left and closed the door behind me. Then one day i just happened to login and found the game was fixed. I reactivated my account and played it.   That was about 2 months ago .
Is that such a crime? lol
LOoks like it to me by these boards.. How dare I a vet someone who opened an account in 2003 say something remotely positive about a game and LIKE IT OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME..

Sure if you consider a income/cost as valid relation for to base success or not you could be true.

With NGE they fired most developers (the good ones !?) maybe they merged server clusters to decrease physical costs, maybe the put 2 or more developers in one room to reduce rent and in the end that is what keeping them alive.

At the end, we are not $OE's accountant to proof this. We customers who likes games. Their ideas behind them, the mechanics, the usability , the lore.

If you accept this we can now talk about features liked by 300k of people , and we can talk about about "features" most of these 300k people dislike but can be found in this crapware version. That is keeping the majority of people away from current crapware because of the gameplay.

If you accept this you can follow the idea 300k people > low population of current crapware thus current crapware is a failure.

Again i am not $OE 's accountant i judge SWG in the current shape to be a failure from a gameplay point of view. The gameplay 300k of players enjoyed, $OE changed and failed to recover 300k players who enjoy the current crapware.

And this is the MASSIVE FAILURE. $OE with the NGE aiming for more customers then what they had make the failure even bigger.

Mathos · April 2008

Woot you Sir get the dancing banana

Valeran · April 2008

Originally posted by ummax

see this is the thing opinions DONT count.   Thats the thing if it was a failure the game would NOT exist and the servers would have been shut down.   It doesn't matter what you feel yourself as an opinion or what I feel myself as an opinion so there is not much argument over what is and what you think.     Plain cold fact is what matters.
here are games that failed as they shut down to my knowledge
Seed
Ryzom (i think its shut down now.. after being sold not sure though)
Dark and LIght
Those are the ones that I know failed because they are dead and gone.    It lives and they pour money into it therefore at this point in time until otherwise proven the game is indeed succeeding despite laments of people who would desperatly love to see if fail cause they are so angry etc at sony and hate its guts. I think it also bothering you that the game still exists despite your wishes that it didn't. As they put it "it aint over til the fat lady sings" .   I can't even deem other games with servers that are running to be failures other then I dislike them because they do exist and pull in revenue
So here is the thing IT DOESN'T matter if i love the game. It also DOESN'T matter if you hate the game.
Its just an endless debate that goes on forever.. and on that note I have no idea why i keep banging my head against a wall pointing out the obvious.. but such is life
If something fails its shut down and it goes away.   PERIOD
If you want to say YOU *think* the game has failed that's fine but that doesnt make it any more true then someone saying its an epic blockbuster hit bigger then wow and all those other games put together. Both are based on pure personal reactions. That's it that's all there is to this nothing more..
I however dont hate sony I"m pretty objective. When they broke my game I left and closed the door behind me. Then one day i just happened to login and found the game was fixed. I reactivated my account and played it.   That was about 2 months ago .
Is that such a crime? lol
LOoks like it to me by these boards.. How dare I a vet someone who opened an account in 2003 say something remotely positive about a game and LIKE IT OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME..

What opinion? What was the purpose of the NGE if not to try and increase subscribers for the bottom line?

THEY FAILED TO DO THAT.

And in the process lost the player base that they had. No matter how you slice it they failed the objectives except for save one...they probably lowered their cost of doing business by downsizing and outsourcing.

Hashbrick · April 2008

It's the same shit day after day, same posts, same reasonings, same recruiting. Makes me want to go insane. The bottom line is.

A) SWG will never be the gem it was.
SWG is only trying to recruit the newbies to MMOs/WoW crowd and people who have no clue about SOE's dark history.
C) SWG has bugs/problems in the game since it launched.
D) SWG's new devs have no damn clue what they are doing and use excuses like "It's to hard" or "We don't know the code for that". What other company have you ever heard, "No we can't do that it's to hard." Zero.
E) SOE doesn't deserve customers.
F) SOE doesn't deserve to run their business any longer.
G) Fanbois will always cry how great the game is because they need people to play with.
H) Vets will always use their experiences and facts to counter fanboi reasoning.
I) SWG is dieing, SOE is getting every subscriber they possibly can to milk them out until it becomes an expense more than the little bit of profit gained.
J) We'll all be saying I told you so soon enough.
K) Another player base is going to be upset.
L) SOE doesn't care, the devs don't care cause the company makes them not care.

I can go on through the whole alphabet but I won't, more than enough proof why anyone should stay away from SWG and an SOE product in general.

Thunderous · April 2008

ummax,

How many of us have to poke major holes in your discussions before you realize we are right? Every posts in this thread aimed at you has just demonstrated that you are wrong about everything you are saying...

If the game is not a failure, as Valeran stated, how do you go from 250,000 subs to 10,000 or less? I think that would be considered by many in the BUSINESS world, as you claim to be a part of, which I am also a part of, a major failure. The kind of failure that costs companies millions of dollars.

I don't know what kind of business you operate but I am guessing if you lost 240,000 customers you would not be happy.

Servers aren't dead? You're correct. There is probably at least 1 person logged on to each server at all times. Are they healthy? Not even close. I've played recently, I've taken screenshots. I know full well what a Friday night on Bloodfin looks like. No amount of denial on your behalf is going to make SWG any less of a failure than it currently is.

All we ask is that you people be truthful to potentially new subscribers before they spend their money (of which some many not have that much of) subbing to a game that has so many issues.

rsreston · April 2008

If you're a fan of SW, do try it (take the trial, naturally).

If you're not a fan of SW, go play something else (probably WoW, as the game was modififed to resemble WoW in almost every aspect). It's not that it was made (or modified) to appeal to SW fans - it's only that a SW fan could withstand all it's bugs, broken systems and repetitive grind. And not all fans continued playing it.

ummax · April 2008

Originally posted by Thunderous

ummax,
How many of us have to poke major holes in your discussions before you realize we are right? Every posts in this thread aimed at you has just demonstrated that you are wrong about everything you are saying...
If the game is not a failure, as Valeran stated, how do you go from 250,000 subs to 10,000 or less? I think that would be considered by many in the BUSINESS world, as you claim to be a part of, which I am also a part of, a major failure. The kind of failure that costs companies millions of dollars.
I don't know what kind of business you operate but I am guessing if you lost 240,000 customers you would not be happy.
Servers aren't dead? You're correct. There is probably at least 1 person logged on to each server at all times. Are they healthy? Not even close. I've played recently, I've taken screenshots. I know full well what a Friday night on Bloodfin looks like. No amount of denial on your behalf is going to make SWG any less of a failure than it currently is.
All we ask is that you people be truthful to potentially new subscribers before they spend their money (of which some many not have that much of) subbing to a game that has so many issues.

YOu dont need to poke any holes in anything but go ahead simly put many dont care I dont care and I think i have repeatedly said that

I dont care what you think say it 200000000 times over to yourself because that is a fact

I Know that you wont change your mind and I"m not trying to get you to change it nor am i making a story or recruting I personally couldn't give a ratz azz what other people think of what I like and dont like. I want to know what makes you care so much about trying to make everyone think the way you do?

This has nothing to do really about the "swg debate" I play and have fun period

I simpl marvel at the staying power you guys have because i counted posts and I see the same things repeated over and over again so again I ask why? are you doing it ? what drives people to stay here for 3 LONNNG years (i wasn't here i'm just noticing you guys now because of the fact that so much time has passed so i got curious and started looking back .. its amazing)

So newsflash I doubt that anyone who plays the game cares what you think of it as some people put it they have logged in an (jokingly) told their friends that are still in the game that they are crazy for liking it. What your trying to do is push your opinions on me and try to convince me that my opinion is wrong over yours.

They broke combat but then fixed it so i'm pllaying again after beeing gone for like almost 3 years. So i ask again what is it inside you that makes you stay here for 3 years and say the same old tired stuff over and over again. no one can answer that. I"m like "the new guy here" and totally bewildered how people can live on the same forum and say the same thing for 3 years (not different people the same people.. i have looked..)

the messiah guy as i call him who speaks of pre cu stuff as if it was a religious experience runs aroundcalling everyone a fanboi and speaks of his 250k friends (in which i'm included.. ) who no longer play the game

and then people speak about vets collectively and speak for all vets many of whom have never stopped playing SWG. My guild was created early in SWG's lifetime. The player city attached to the guild with the original guild founders running was one of the first on the server and is still active and alive. All this stuff that I see everyday and people come along and say that the game is dead and they have seen it. Truly it makes no sense and I"m on a low population server .So what bothers me is the total illogic in the fact that a group of people who dont play the game and havent for 3 years (no i dont call logging in and purposely looking for bots for 20 minutes to be actually playing... ) say stuff that isn't true.

so poke away however I find it interesting that anyone who comes and says "yeah i tried this and what is all the fuss its kinda fun.." you guys jump all over them and make them into some kind of evil demon.

So stop talking down to me and doing this holier then thow stuff that would be great thanks. Plainly put an opinion is just an opinion and does NOT equal right. PERIOD you have no facts only twisted half truths that are outdated and old!

Hashbrick · April 2008

Originally posted by ummax

Originally posted by Thunderous ummax,
How many of us have to poke major holes in your discussions before you realize we are right? Every posts in this thread aimed at you has just demonstrated that you are wrong about everything you are saying...
If the game is not a failure, as Valeran stated, how do you go from 250,000 subs to 10,000 or less? I think that would be considered by many in the BUSINESS world, as you claim to be a part of, which I am also a part of, a major failure. The kind of failure that costs companies millions of dollars.
I don't know what kind of business you operate but I am guessing if you lost 240,000 customers you would not be happy.
Servers aren't dead? You're correct. There is probably at least 1 person logged on to each server at all times. Are they healthy? Not even close. I've played recently, I've taken screenshots. I know full well what a Friday night on Bloodfin looks like. No amount of denial on your behalf is going to make SWG any less of a failure than it currently is.
All we ask is that you people be truthful to potentially new subscribers before they spend their money (of which some many not have that much of) subbing to a game that has so many issues.

YOu dont need to poke any holes in anything but go ahead simly put many dont care I dont care and I think i have repeatedly said that

I dont care what you think say it 200000000 times over to yourself because that is a fact
I Know that you wont change your mind and I"m not trying to get you to change it nor am i making a story or recruting I personally couldn't give a ratz azz what other people think of what I like and dont like. I want to know what makes you care so much about trying to make everyone think the way you do?
This has nothing to do really about the "swg debate" I play and have fun period
I simpl marvel at the staying power you guys have because i counted posts and I see the same things repeated over and over again so again I ask why? are you doing it ? what drives people to stay here for 3 LONNNG years (i wasn't here i'm just noticing you guys now because of the fact that so much time has passed so i got curious and started looking back .. its amazing)
So newsflash I doubt that anyone who plays the game cares what you think of it as some people put it they have logged in an (jokingly) told their friends that are still in the game that they are crazy for liking it. What your trying to do is push your opinions on me and try to convince me that my opinion is wrong over yours.
They broke combat but then fixed it so i'm pllaying again after beeing gone for like almost 3 years. So i ask again what is it inside you that makes you stay here for 3 years and say the same old tired stuff over and over again. no one can answer that. I"m like "the new guy here" and totally bewildered how people can live on the same forum and say the same thing for 3 years (not different people the same people.. i have looked..)
the messiah guy as i call him who speaks of pre cu stuff as if it was a religious experience runs aroundcalling everyone a fanboi and speaks of his 250k friends (in which i'm included.. ) who no longer play the game
and then people speak about vets collectively and speak for all vets many of whom have never stopped playing SWG. My guild was created early in SWG's lifetime. The player city attached to the guild with the original guild founders running was one of the first on the server and is still active and alive. All this stuff that I see everyday and people come along and say that the game is dead and they have seen it. Truly it makes no sense and I"m on a low population server .So what bothers me is the total illogic in the fact that a group of people who dont play the game and havent for 3 years (no i dont call logging in and purposely looking for bots for 20 minutes to be actually playing... ) say stuff that isn't true.
so poke away however I find it interesting that anyone who comes and says "yeah i tried this and what is all the fuss its kinda fun.." you guys jump all over them and make them into some kind of evil demon.
So stop talking down to me and doing this holier then thow stuff that would be great thanks. Plainly put an opinion is just an opinion and does NOT equal right. PERIOD you have no facts only twisted half truths that are outdated and old!

The only problem from your reasoning is he just proved to you the game is dieing, how a population goes from 250k to 6k is a FACT. You could have saved your time writing that novel and just said, "You're right" and went on your way.

I won't touch another SOE product and there are many who are with me. How someone in your position who claims they have been in SWG since the beginning, can still play that game is beyond me. But to each his/her own, do what you like but the point is he gave you a FACT not an opinion or an assumption.

Valeran · April 2008

Originally posted by ummax

Originally posted by Thunderous

ummax,
How many of us have to poke major holes in your discussions before you realize we are right? Every posts in this thread aimed at you has just demonstrated that you are wrong about everything you are saying...
If the game is not a failure, as Valeran stated, how do you go from 250,000 subs to 10,000 or less? I think that would be considered by many in the BUSINESS world, as you claim to be a part of, which I am also a part of, a major failure. The kind of failure that costs companies millions of dollars.
I don't know what kind of business you operate but I am guessing if you lost 240,000 customers you would not be happy.
Servers aren't dead? You're correct. There is probably at least 1 person logged on to each server at all times. Are they healthy? Not even close. I've played recently, I've taken screenshots. I know full well what a Friday night on Bloodfin looks like. No amount of denial on your behalf is going to make SWG any less of a failure than it currently is.
All we ask is that you people be truthful to potentially new subscribers before they spend their money (of which some many not have that much of) subbing to a game that has so many issues.