EQ had a unique felling to it's first UI, and also to the second one (shown in the pic in this thread). WoW had also a unique feeling. But from then on, many UI have a WOW feeling. In Vanguard it was a total rip off , at least in beta, don't know now. Also I never saw ! and ? for quests before WOW (NOT SAYING IT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE, JUST THAT I DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE), WOW has made it so popular that now it's a standard.
I play this game for at least 4 hours every morning when I come home from work.... (I gotta squeeze in some call of duty time)
I cant say its like wow. I am seeing the wow players that are in beta getting quite frustrated with the game and being vocal in their complaints of it. The new players like it, and the UO and DAoC crowd seem to all love it.
I myself having been around almost all mmo's Love it as well. IMO the first 10 levels of Empire story blow away ANY mmo I have ever played (still waiting to play Age of conan though)
as far as the UI. well I cant show you guys the UI, but how creative can you get with having skills... put them in a box and click on them? daoc worked the same way. only this UI has your skills, morale, tactics all on seperate bars. WOW only has skills.
Kraiden, save yourself 40$ and wait for a free trial.
Also, I think some of the bashers in this thread missed the fact that the OP was being facetious with the title... and are replying to that and not the content of the post.
I'm not going to say Warhammer is a WoW clone, but there has been a lot of games released post WoW that have nearly indentical looking UIs. You can see that in the links posted by the original poster. The Warhammer UI looks the same too.
who cares if the UI looks the same..you sound like an old woman nit picking at the smallest things..you cant be much fun to be around....mmorpg players are the worst whiners i have every come into contact with..you people really know how to be depressing and miserable.
Umm... this thread was started as a discussion about the Warhammer UI and its similarities to the UI in WoW as well as other games. What did you expect to read in this thread?
I make a simple statement that was on topic and fairly accurate and you go all ape dung crazy on me as if I am some depressed lunatic? Relax killer, read the thread and try not to over react.
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why.
when i was talking about the quest up to max level and do the 3 things afterwards i was talking about all mmo's in general. i know you dont mess with low levels in warhammer because of the tier stuff or whatever. i admit i have not played it but i do know some things about it.
its funny how people are saying its not a wow clone when it clearly is. the only thing new about this game is you pvp more. that is it. the combat is the same click and watch and bunny hop (wow). there are quests that you do (also wow). crafting is also in this game (wow also). elves dwarves and orcs (wow) the interface is even the same(wow yet again). where is the one thing that makes it not wow? conan has its combat system. guildwars has its story driven missions, unique creatures like the char, and fun pvp. the question is what does warhammer have? pvp? i have no clue please inform me. and please give me reason to your logic other than its awesome because it is.
ASmith... that doesnt make it a wow clone. I understand it if your only experience in mmos was Warcrack. But that game was not the first MMO in existence. The only thing it did was dumb-down Everquest and make it so you can play the game on really old computers.
Its not a wow-clone because that is a general format every mmo follows. Leveling, crafting of some sort. Non-humans wether it is aliens or elves and orcs, and humans. Pvp, quests, armour, mounts. None of these things are specific only to Warcrack.
Saying warhammer is a clone of the other would be like me saying that an orange is a clone to an apple because they came from the same orchard...
yes from my experience with playing other games with WoW players is thay cant seem to not complain how every aspect of every game is a wow ripp, ive heard that having exp bar or gague is a rip, having quests where you kill things is a rip, health bars...a rip
the truth is that most of these players have never played another mmo or wow was their first, so they just assume that everything is a rip of WoW because they dont know that mmo's in general have a lot of similarities among them.
with that said, i may actuall avoid this game if the pre-teen WoW community hordes to WAR
in my trial of WoW i didnt subscribe becasue of the chat i saw, and the way people interacted with eachother...i know there are good players, respectful players and polite players who play, but from what i saw, and still hear its the minority in hiding.
although if this game turns out to be great i may just ready the chat blocker and go for it =p
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why. when i was talking about the quest up to max level and do the 3 things afterwards i was talking about all mmo's in general. i know you dont mess with low levels in warhammer because of the tier stuff or whatever. i admit i have not played it but i do know some things about it. its funny how people are saying its not a wow clone when it clearly is. the only thing new about this game is you pvp more. that is it. the combat is the same click and watch and bunny hop (wow). there are quests that you do (also wow). crafting is also in this game (wow also). elves dwarves and orcs (wow) the interface is even the same(wow yet again). where is the one thing that makes it not wow? conan has its combat system. guildwars has its story driven missions, unique creatures like the char, and fun pvp. the question is what does warhammer have? pvp? i have no clue please inform me. and please give me reason to your logic other than its awesome because it is.
Yes, it has auto attack. But try running through someone in WAR. That's right, collision detection and knockback! Woohoo! Quests...uh, yeah, quests are in pretty much every MMO in one form or another. Public Quests = next step. For crafting, you won't have to do the super raid 20 times for the formula for the mega enchant to drop. It's trial and error, not recipe based.
Elves, dwarves...blah blah blah...WAR first WoW second. Interface is customizable and even unique for some classes (Shamans have seperate bars for Mork and Gork). WAR is a casual, fun game that's based on some things that WORK from other MMOs and improving them, adding in their own little twists. Most importantly they're NOT claiming it's "revolutionary" so if you're going to complain about that, AoC is that way --------------->.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Chatblocking is always good. I use it alot... keeps me from being a total btch. lol
yes chat blocking is great, but with WoW it was a matter of shutting down chat all together it was so bad, which kinda defeats the purpouse of playing a mmo
i just pray that the preteen wow crowd develops some mmo manners before war starts
oh and i also hope they put some sort of complexity in the game, i would hate to have that feeling of knowing what to do with every aspect of the game after a week..somewhere along the lines of anacrchy online style complexity, although i know it wont ever come close =/
its the complexity that give a game great long term appeal
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why. when i was talking about the quest up to max level and do the 3 things afterwards i was talking about all mmo's in general. i know you dont mess with low levels in warhammer because of the tier stuff or whatever. i admit i have not played it but i do know some things about it. its funny how people are saying its not a wow clone when it clearly is. the only thing new about this game is you pvp more. that is it. the combat is the same click and watch and bunny hop (wow). there are quests that you do (also wow). crafting is also in this game (wow also). elves dwarves and orcs (wow) the interface is even the same(wow yet again). where is the one thing that makes it not wow? conan has its combat system. guildwars has its story driven missions, unique creatures like the char, and fun pvp. the question is what does warhammer have? pvp? i have no clue please inform me. and please give me reason to your logic other than its awesome because it is.
NDA that's why you cant be told why. Im in beta and its no wow clone. If you have not played it sir then don't make claims you cannot back up as well. RVR is what it has that apparently you have not bothered to read about, and seem to be making judgements from screenshots and videos alone. I really wish I could go into more detail , but I respect the NDA and will not break it. If you are so sure its a "wow clone" (god I hate that phrase), then don't play the game. Im sure most of us that are will not miss you
Chatblocking is always good. I use it alot... keeps me from being a total btch. lol
yes chat blocking is great, but with WoW it was a matter of shutting down chat all together it was so bad, which kinda defeats the purpouse of playing a mmo
i just pray that the preteen wow crowd develops some mmo manners before war starts
oh and i also hope they put some sort of complexity in the game, i would hate to have that feeling of knowing what to do with every aspect of the game after a week..somewhere along the lines of anacrchy online style complexity, although i know it wont ever come close =/
its the complexity that give a game great long term appeal
Me, I hope they come over here... find out they cant get easy pvp rep, whine that the game sucks, complain that the graphics are too intense for their wow-machines, and then scamper back to their wow-holes and stay there.
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why.
When you find proof that the game is a WoW clone we will explain why it is not.
It has a similar UI, both have quests, both have crafting, both have similar races is not good enough.
Give us something to prove wrong, because everything you listed has been in MMOs long before Warhammer and long before World of Warcraft.
WAR is in no way a clone of Warcraft by the things you pointed out.
I cannot explain to you why a Honda is not a Hyundai clone if your arguement is that they are the same because both companies have cars with four wheels, an engine, and windows. All cars have these things.
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why.
When you find proof that the game is a WoW clone we will explain why it is not.
It has a similar UI, both have quests, both have crafting, both have similar races is not good enough.
Give us something to prove wrong, because everything you listed has been in MMOs long before Warhammer Online and long before World of Warcraft. In no way a clone of Warcraft by the things you pointed out.
I cannot explain to you why a Honda is not a Hyundai clone if your arguement is that they are the same because both companies have cars with four wheels, an engine, and windows. All cars have these things.
Every MMO company takes the good stuff from other companies games and copies it or improves it in their game. So really most of future MMOs will copy the good stuff from other games. The game is not a wow clone however. If anything its a DAOC clone with instance PVP, PVE that effects RVR, and set in the Warhammer universe. Compare all you like but the base gameplay is totally different. One is PVP.RVR based and other is PVE based.
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why.
When you find proof that the game is a WoW clone we will explain why it is not.
It has a similar UI, both have quests, both have crafting, both have similar races is not good enough.
Give us something to prove wrong, because everything you listed has been in MMOs long before Warhammer Online and long before World of Warcraft. In no way a clone of Warcraft by the things you pointed out.
I cannot explain to you why a Honda is not a Hyundai clone if your arguement is that they are the same because both companies have cars with four wheels, an engine, and windows. All cars have these things.
fixed. Warhammer was in existence before mmos...
I wasn't talking about the intellectual property at all so I thought it brazenly obvious I meant the MMO.
I guess I shouldn't underestimate the possibilities.
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why. when i was talking about the quest up to max level and do the 3 things afterwards i was talking about all mmo's in general. i know you dont mess with low levels in warhammer because of the tier stuff or whatever. i admit i have not played it but i do know some things about it. its funny how people are saying its not a wow clone when it clearly is. the only thing new about this game is you pvp more. that is it. the combat is the same click and watch and bunny hop (wow). there are quests that you do (also wow). crafting is also in this game (wow also). elves dwarves and orcs (wow) the interface is even the same(wow yet again). where is the one thing that makes it not wow? conan has its combat system. guildwars has its story driven missions, unique creatures like the char, and fun pvp. the question is what does warhammer have? pvp? i have no clue please inform me. and please give me reason to your logic other than its awesome because it is.
this guy could walk into a 7-eleven and say "this convienience store is a wow rip" it seems
i definatly remember supernintendo games haveing a UI that had they layout your saying wow invented...regarding radar/ stat bars ect
and what he is refering to war "having" that wow didnt was the concept of 2 sides (realm vs realm) dueling it out, something you would be unfamiliar with having played only wow(can only assume from what you have been writing)
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after re reading this guys comparison to what he thinks wow invented amazes me, borderline ignorant tbh
First of all, to any of you WAR "haterz". The Warhammer universe has been around longer then warcraft. It was a tabletop game at first, lore, books, comics, were added etc. Been around since the the early 80s, I believe since '83 to be exact. Warcraft has only been around since '94, when "Warcraft: Orcs and Humans" came out. Warcraft was inspired and based off Warhammer, except a much lighter version with only two races. Only after they continued to add races. Elves were introduced later in the seris. Tauren and Trolls we're added in Warcraft III, same with undead.. To me, Warcraft seems to be a complete rip off to Warhammer. Warcraft just took the first steps to creating a MMO.
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EQ had a unique felling to it's first UI, and also to the second one (shown in the pic in this thread). WoW had also a unique feeling. But from then on, many UI have a WOW feeling. In Vanguard it was a total rip off , at least in beta, don't know now. Also I never saw ! and ? for quests before WOW (NOT SAYING IT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE, JUST THAT I DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE), WOW has made it so popular that now it's a standard.
I play this game for at least 4 hours every morning when I come home from work.... (I gotta squeeze in some call of duty time)
I cant say its like wow. I am seeing the wow players that are in beta getting quite frustrated with the game and being vocal in their complaints of it. The new players like it, and the UO and DAoC crowd seem to all love it.
I myself having been around almost all mmo's Love it as well. IMO the first 10 levels of Empire story blow away ANY mmo I have ever played (still waiting to play Age of conan though)
as far as the UI. well I cant show you guys the UI, but how creative can you get with having skills... put them in a box and click on them? daoc worked the same way. only this UI has your skills, morale, tactics all on seperate bars. WOW only has skills.
Kraiden, save yourself 40$ and wait for a free trial.
Also, I think some of the bashers in this thread missed the fact that the OP was being facetious with the title... and are replying to that and not the content of the post.
who cares if the UI looks the same..you sound like an old woman nit picking at the smallest things..you cant be much fun to be around....mmorpg players are the worst whiners i have every come into contact with..you people really know how to be depressing and miserable.
Umm... this thread was started as a discussion about the Warhammer UI and its similarities to the UI in WoW as well as other games. What did you expect to read in this thread?
I make a simple statement that was on topic and fairly accurate and you go all ape dung crazy on me as if I am some depressed lunatic? Relax killer, read the thread and try not to over react.
to the person who told me to shove it ( which was not necessary by the way) where is your proof that its not a wow clone? just saying you played it does not mean its not a wow clone. tell us why.
when i was talking about the quest up to max level and do the 3 things afterwards i was talking about all mmo's in general. i know you dont mess with low levels in warhammer because of the tier stuff or whatever. i admit i have not played it but i do know some things about it.
its funny how people are saying its not a wow clone when it clearly is. the only thing new about this game is you pvp more. that is it. the combat is the same click and watch and bunny hop (wow). there are quests that you do (also wow). crafting is also in this game (wow also). elves dwarves and orcs (wow) the interface is even the same(wow yet again). where is the one thing that makes it not wow? conan has its combat system. guildwars has its story driven missions, unique creatures like the char, and fun pvp. the question is what does warhammer have? pvp? i have no clue please inform me. and please give me reason to your logic other than its awesome because it is.
ASmith... that doesnt make it a wow clone. I understand it if your only experience in mmos was Warcrack. But that game was not the first MMO in existence. The only thing it did was dumb-down Everquest and make it so you can play the game on really old computers.
Its not a wow-clone because that is a general format every mmo follows. Leveling, crafting of some sort. Non-humans wether it is aliens or elves and orcs, and humans. Pvp, quests, armour, mounts. None of these things are specific only to Warcrack.
Saying warhammer is a clone of the other would be like me saying that an orange is a clone to an apple because they came from the same orchard...
yes from my experience with playing other games with WoW players is thay cant seem to not complain how every aspect of every game is a wow ripp, ive heard that having exp bar or gague is a rip, having quests where you kill things is a rip, health bars...a rip
the truth is that most of these players have never played another mmo or wow was their first, so they just assume that everything is a rip of WoW because they dont know that mmo's in general have a lot of similarities among them.
with that said, i may actuall avoid this game if the pre-teen WoW community hordes to WAR
in my trial of WoW i didnt subscribe becasue of the chat i saw, and the way people interacted with eachother...i know there are good players, respectful players and polite players who play, but from what i saw, and still hear its the minority in hiding.
although if this game turns out to be great i may just ready the chat blocker and go for it =p
Chatblocking is always good. I use it alot... keeps me from being a total btch. lol
Yes, it has auto attack. But try running through someone in WAR. That's right, collision detection and knockback! Woohoo! Quests...uh, yeah, quests are in pretty much every MMO in one form or another. Public Quests = next step. For crafting, you won't have to do the super raid 20 times for the formula for the mega enchant to drop. It's trial and error, not recipe based.
Elves, dwarves...blah blah blah...WAR first WoW second. Interface is customizable and even unique for some classes (Shamans have seperate bars for Mork and Gork). WAR is a casual, fun game that's based on some things that WORK from other MMOs and improving them, adding in their own little twists. Most importantly they're NOT claiming it's "revolutionary" so if you're going to complain about that, AoC is that way --------------->.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
yes chat blocking is great, but with WoW it was a matter of shutting down chat all together it was so bad, which kinda defeats the purpouse of playing a mmo
i just pray that the preteen wow crowd develops some mmo manners before war starts
oh and i also hope they put some sort of complexity in the game, i would hate to have that feeling of knowing what to do with every aspect of the game after a week..somewhere along the lines of anacrchy online style complexity, although i know it wont ever come close =/
its the complexity that give a game great long term appeal
NDA that's why you cant be told why. Im in beta and its no wow clone. If you have not played it sir then don't make claims you cannot back up as well. RVR is what it has that apparently you have not bothered to read about, and seem to be making judgements from screenshots and videos alone. I really wish I could go into more detail , but I respect the NDA and will not break it. If you are so sure its a "wow clone" (god I hate that phrase), then don't play the game. Im sure most of us that are will not miss you
yes chat blocking is great, but with WoW it was a matter of shutting down chat all together it was so bad, which kinda defeats the purpouse of playing a mmo
i just pray that the preteen wow crowd develops some mmo manners before war starts
oh and i also hope they put some sort of complexity in the game, i would hate to have that feeling of knowing what to do with every aspect of the game after a week..somewhere along the lines of anacrchy online style complexity, although i know it wont ever come close =/
its the complexity that give a game great long term appeal
Me, I hope they come over here... find out they cant get easy pvp rep, whine that the game sucks, complain that the graphics are too intense for their wow-machines, and then scamper back to their wow-holes and stay there.
hehe
When you find proof that the game is a WoW clone we will explain why it is not.
It has a similar UI, both have quests, both have crafting, both have similar races is not good enough.
Give us something to prove wrong, because everything you listed has been in MMOs long before Warhammer and long before World of Warcraft.
WAR is in no way a clone of Warcraft by the things you pointed out.
I cannot explain to you why a Honda is not a Hyundai clone if your arguement is that they are the same because both companies have cars with four wheels, an engine, and windows. All cars have these things.
STOP WHINING!
When you find proof that the game is a WoW clone we will explain why it is not.
It has a similar UI, both have quests, both have crafting, both have similar races is not good enough.
Give us something to prove wrong, because everything you listed has been in MMOs long before Warhammer Online and long before World of Warcraft. In no way a clone of Warcraft by the things you pointed out.
I cannot explain to you why a Honda is not a Hyundai clone if your arguement is that they are the same because both companies have cars with four wheels, an engine, and windows. All cars have these things.
fixed. Warhammer was in existence before mmos...
Every MMO company takes the good stuff from other companies games and copies it or improves it in their game. So really most of future MMOs will copy the good stuff from other games. The game is not a wow clone however. If anything its a DAOC clone with instance PVP, PVE that effects RVR, and set in the Warhammer universe. Compare all you like but the base gameplay is totally different. One is PVP.RVR based and other is PVE based.
110% a WoW clone, in fact I hear that Mythic actually used Blizzard's code to make the game. Move along, nothing to see here.
News from Mythic's latest podcast; Altdorf has now officially been renamed Stormwind and they've introduced Night Elves to the world.
They're even going to change the name of the game in the very near future so keep an eye out for that one.
When you find proof that the game is a WoW clone we will explain why it is not.
It has a similar UI, both have quests, both have crafting, both have similar races is not good enough.
Give us something to prove wrong, because everything you listed has been in MMOs long before Warhammer Online and long before World of Warcraft. In no way a clone of Warcraft by the things you pointed out.
I cannot explain to you why a Honda is not a Hyundai clone if your arguement is that they are the same because both companies have cars with four wheels, an engine, and windows. All cars have these things.
fixed. Warhammer was in existence before mmos...
I wasn't talking about the intellectual property at all so I thought it brazenly obvious I meant the MMO.
I guess I shouldn't underestimate the possibilities.
STOP WHINING!
this guy could walk into a 7-eleven and say "this convienience store is a wow rip" it seems
i definatly remember supernintendo games haveing a UI that had they layout your saying wow invented...regarding radar/ stat bars ect
and what he is refering to war "having" that wow didnt was the concept of 2 sides (realm vs realm) dueling it out, something you would be unfamiliar with having played only wow(can only assume from what you have been writing)
*edit*
after re reading this guys comparison to what he thinks wow invented amazes me, borderline ignorant tbh
(love that data vs the blue screen)
I agree on the data vs blue screen thing, it comes in a close 2nd to the lineage 2 dwarf saying "BUY MY ******* SOULSHOTS!" but thats another story.
on a related note, you can /ignore people in WAR, obvious WoW ripoff.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
you also kill things for experience to level...another wow rip
Other reasons why warhammer is a warcrack rip:
Its an mmo.
It requires a computer to play.
You have to have hands (I would imagine).
It requires an internet connection.
It has more than two colours! Omg... such a blatant infringement of copyrights! lol
There are engineers and guns.
It's scary how informed you are! do you work at Mythic?....
Shhhhh... its a conspiracy didnt you know? All mmos are actually subsidaries of Blizzard.
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First of all, to any of you WAR "haterz". The Warhammer universe has been around longer then warcraft. It was a tabletop game at first, lore, books, comics, were added etc. Been around since the the early 80s, I believe since '83 to be exact. Warcraft has only been around since '94, when "Warcraft: Orcs and Humans" came out. Warcraft was inspired and based off Warhammer, except a much lighter version with only two races. Only after they continued to add races. Elves were introduced later in the seris. Tauren and Trolls we're added in Warcraft III, same with undead.. To me, Warcraft seems to be a complete rip off to Warhammer. Warcraft just took the first steps to creating a MMO.