Originally posted by neonaka How about if you find it "mind-numbing" you do 1 of two things? First stop playing. That's part of the game, if you do not like it, move on.Second, instead of cheating, how about you suggest to Blizzard ways to improve the game. They listen even if you do not believe it. The patch just yesterday moved mounts to level 30! That is something the community has been asking for now for a long time.The point is that cheaters rather take the easy way out and break the rules than use the system and see change on a larger scale.And the issue isn't how botting hurts you or me. The issue is the rules. You agree to Blizzard's rules and if you break their rules, you get punished.Its the same in my class. If someone cheats, they get punished. If they do not like my class, then they can find another class. But I will not change my class for cheaters. And Blizzard doesn't cater to cheaters - they cater to those of us who play the game how its supposed to be played and do so legally.
Well first, you assume I agree to something, just because blizzard makes you click "OK AGREE" doesn't mean I agree with it. It is just what you have to do to enter game. Most people don't read that long wall of shit they just scroll down to the bottom and click ok. Now that we have determined that click "OK" and actually "AGREEING" with something are two different things, just because Blizzard say "Don't do this it's naughty" isn't going to stop people from doing it.
Then DON'T PLAY!!!! My god how is this concept too hard to grasp? Jeebus H. Christ! First you're saying it infringes on your rights, then you say "Ok, I clicked I agree but that doesn't mean I agree" I swear you flip flop more than Kerry and Obama put together! Sorry pal, but YOU are the one at fault for not bothering to read the EULA and TOS before clicking on that button and before creating your toon/account. If you don't like to play by the rules, then don't play!
To use another simpler example, do you think that, it would be ok if you started playing Monopoly with your friends, but you started off with getting all the hotels beforehand without doing any actual game play? NO! Of course not! You might think that's a good idea, but all your friends are going to be pissed at you and for good reason! You're not bothering to play the game by the rules and more than likely, they're not going to play with you again.
Cheers Blizzard, thanks for doing what SOE should have pursued 10 years ago against the same type of scum who created ShowEQ and other sniffers, but Smedley was too much of a two faced pussy to initiate action against.
I hope Blizzard takes everything this assclown owns.
They crushed him with money, and now will bankrupt this man until he has lost everything. This doesn't encourage others to free think and create anything. This oppresses the people. Why would anyone bother to create anything anymore when as soon as they do a billion dollar corp comes in a crushes them in court until they lose their house, car, and dog for using their brain. Like it or not. The programmer of Glider is a very intelligent man, and made a program that has MANY more uses than just botting. That doesn't matter now because that just got stripped from him.
I hope heavy claims follow that actually do bankrupt him.
He does not only violate EULA, he knowingly violated copyright laws.
He makes a profit out of violating laws.
He disrupts a huge virtual environment and influences every player in the game by knowingly providing tools to disrupt the server.
He profits from other people's work.
He continued to distribute the program even after Blizzard had filed a lawsuit against him, for which he is charged too now.
I hope he goes bankrupt and Blizzard demands as much as they can.
It's like this.
The digital world is like the real world.
Companies like Blizzard are no different than the Government of the world. Setup to oppress it's people, when in reality they were suppose to protect them.
Then you have hackers that act like any of the organizations in the real world who fight against the government, fight against oppression and fight for freedom.
The government may be more powerful than these freedom fighters, just as companies like Blizzard are more powerful than the hackers.
However you will never stomp them out, they will ALWAYS fight the power. They won't stop until the freedom is realized.
That's just truth.
ROFLMAO!!
Sorry dude, but the whole hackers are freedom fighters bit went out in the eighties.
Well, this is bad news all around. Take away more rights from the public, give more rights to companies, all in the name of protecting us from those [insert bad people here]. There are numerous problems with EULA as has already been mentioned, such as not being able to agree to it before buying the software (and no, you can't take it back, at least no store I know of will take back software that's been opened.). Also, the legal terminology in most EULA's is so thick that many people might not understand what they are agreeing to. EULA's are not like contracts, which are negotiated between two parties. They are non-negotiable things which producers slap on their product, and consumers agree or cannot play.
This ruling is going to do nothing to stop botters. I don't know why so many of you are clueless to this fact. People who use the software already (which is hidden to blizzard) will continue to use it. Clones of the software will spring up and be more covert so as not to get caught. Or maybe they will get caught. Then more clones will come out. It's like the hydra - it starts with one head, if you cut it off, two more will grow. One head is better - one head can be tracked. But no one in this government understand that. They have done it time and again every time.
They are punishing the do-gooders (consumers) for the crimes of the do-bads. (The criminals may be the ones fined, but software users are the ones who will be punished). We aren't allowed to use our RAM the way we want now? WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO. I can't wait for processbots which scan your computer and sends reports of running programs to various corporations or agencies to be mandatory. Heck, we already have things like gameguard/punkbuster that do just that. All to protect us from cheaters. And it DOESN'T EVEN WORK!
Nod. Unless they agree on a settlement, which I doubt Blizzard will grant him, there are other claims Blizzard made in their case against Michael Donnelly that the judge has yet to make a verdict on. I think Blizzard is waiting on the verdict of their other claims before they make a damage compensation claim.
Nah, they will just hire him to create a GM glider, so they can fire all the GMs and still provide better service to the players. Trust me, inside information here!
Well, this is bad news all around. Take away more rights from the public, give more rights to companies, all in the name of protecting us from those [insert bad people here]. There are numerous problems with EULA as has already been mentioned, such as not being able to agree to it before buying the software (and no, you can't take it back, at least no store I know of will take back software that's been opened.). Also, the legal terminology in most EULA's is so thick that many people might not understand what they are agreeing to. EULA's are not like contracts, which are negotiated between two parties. They are non-negotiable things which producers slap on their product, and consumers agree or cannot play. This ruling is going to do nothing to stop botters. I don't know why so many of you are clueless to this fact. People who use the software already (which is hidden to blizzard) will continue to use it. Clones of the software will spring up and be more covert so as not to get caught. Or maybe they will get caught. Then more clones will come out. It's like the hydra - it starts with one head, if you cut it off, two more will grow. One head is better - one head can be tracked. But no one in this government understand that. They have done it time and again every time. They are punishing the do-gooders (consumers) for the crimes of the do-bads. (The criminals may be the ones fined, but software users are the ones who will be punished). We aren't allowed to use our RAM the way we want now? WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO. I can't wait for processbots which scan your computer and sends reports of running programs to various corporations or agencies to be mandatory. Heck, we already have things like gameguard/punkbuster that do just that. All to protect us from cheaters. And it DOESN'T EVEN WORK!
Not true. A guildie and his girlfirend got banned after the first day of trying glider, Blizzard does actively ban botters and gold farmer accounts.
Rofl i love how everyone signs off their rights to Blizzard, bunch of fools.
God forbid someone uses their brain to grind for them in a game rather than their sheer mind numbing stupidity of repetitive drone clicking in game.
Best part of it all is, you all shun and flame someone for using their intellegence instead of them being a drone like yourselves.
YAY AMERICA~!
I agree. I'd also like to state that all doping-free athletes are drones and idiots for not enhancing their performance! Stupid buffoons, they need to get a brain!
Not true. A guildie and his girlfirend got banned after the first day of trying glider, Blizzard does actively ban botters and gold farmer accounts.
Two things about this:
1. Policing DOES work on an individual level. What I meant by it not working is that the cheaters will find another better way if their main method dies. If blizzard can find and ban accounts using glider, and then they make glider dissapear, now they don't KNOW what program people might be using. They are just putting the ball back in the cheaters court. You can stop individual cheaters but you can't stop cheating in general.
2. It's perfectly within their rights (moral rights, not legal rights) to police the game on their own terms, and disallow access to the servers by anyone. This is how they protect their game and their property. Having the government declare that cheaters are infringing on copyright is something different altogether. And making that infringement based upon EULA and the way the program works is an extremely general ruling that is very scary.
Really, the best option blizzard would have had is to find a technological solution to a technical problem, rather than going the legal route. Because a technical solution is still needed. The legal route is not going to find the cheaters, the legal route is not going to deter many cheaters, the legal route is not going to stop the cheaters who are cheating. The legal route is on the other hand going to get some grandma sued for something her nephew did.
Please tell me that taking down napster and going after bit torrent users has stopped music piracy. I think piracy is more rampant than ever these days.
All this does is make companies like blizzard have more rights than you, on your pc. It is of my opinion that blizzard already breaks the law with there root kit they put on your pc. They should have no legal right to search my machine for anything. I understand you dont like botters, but you shouldn't have to give up your rights to stop them. Sure you trust blizzard, but if they get to do it, so does everyone else... I would also agrue that eulas are unenforceable
based on Gatton v. T-Mobile, the court decided that, because the agreement was written by a party with superior bargaining strength and the customer was given no ability to negotiate—just a simple yes/no choice—the contract was unconscionable. In games you buy the game, then see the eula, but you cant get a refund if you don't agree. They also change the eula all the time, with no chance of a refund.
Read the EULA online before you buy the game if it bothers you. No one is forcing you to play a Blizzard game. If you want to play the game you have to play by the rules or don't play at all simple as that.
Whats funny is with this ruling, Microsoft can sue Blizzard for allowing users to run their game on their OS. There are parts of Vista that have the same type of agreement.
I hope Microsoft and Blizzard sue each other to the ground (highly doubt that will happen).
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
For those who don't know how glider works, glider sets up a series of "ghost mouse" key clicks on your screen. Think of it as an overlay for computer monitor. A plastic sheet if you will, that covers your screen. Ok then lets say you took a marker and put dots on that sheet where you wanted your mouse to click. and you took a sheet of paper and you wrote down how often and at what times you wanted these dots or clicks to occur on the plastic sheet. Ok so hopefully you have that visualized. Then you load up a program, in this case we are talking about wow. You window mode wow and you make it the same size as the plastic sheet. and you have all these dots on the sheet that tell your mouse to click in certain spots. You wrote a script housed on your client side. Your personal pc, that says ok click my mouse at all these points at these specific times. Press these keys at these times. and so on. You turn on your script and they start clicking away. This overlay does not send anything to blizzard servers, this script does nothing to the in-game what-so-ever. All the info you want this script to do is on your pc. It has nothing to do with blizzard at all. OH but what it can do is rename it filename when an Intruder (wow warden) starts scanning your personal files on your personal computer. It can rename itself to whatever it wants. So unwanted intruders to your network cannot determine what type of file it is.
OK so now you know how glider works, and you thinks it's OK for a judge to tell me I can't write a script, house it on MY computer and do whatever in the hell I want with it. It isn't malicious, it does nothing to blizzards servers or software, nothing to code, it is just a ghost mouse script I use to press some keys and mouse clicks. Yeah that sounds fair to me. What it really sounds like is one of my freedoms as a human being with free thought just got stripped away from me. That is what it sounds like.
You can run whatever script you want on YOUR computer but it can't affect BLIZZARD'S program.
You willing gave up certain rights when you installed WoW and clicked OK on the EULA. If you wanted to run the script you should of clicked no to the EULA but then your script would be unless. That's your problem.
I laughed when I thought about Lineage 2 following the footsteps of WOW and bringing the bot makers of L2Walker and L2Superman to court.....I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
"OK so now you know how glider works, and you thinks it's OK for a judge to tell me I can't write a script, house it on MY computer and do whatever in the hell I want with it. It isn't malicious, it does nothing to blizzards servers or software, nothing to code, it is just a ghost mouse script I use to press some keys and mouse clicks."
If it does nothing and is so harmless, why does it change the name and all that when Warden would be looking?
Spin all you want, still seems fishy to me.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Maybe because the warden has no business looking at what someone has on their personal property any more than we have no business looking at what Blizzard has in its personal property: the servers.
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How about if you find it "mind-numbing" you do 1 of two things? First stop playing. That's part of the game, if you do not like it, move on.
Second, instead of cheating, how about you suggest to Blizzard ways to improve the game. They listen even if you do not believe it. The patch just yesterday moved mounts to level 30! That is something the community has been asking for now for a long time.
The point is that cheaters rather take the easy way out and break the rules than use the system and see change on a larger scale.
And the issue isn't how botting hurts you or me. The issue is the rules. You agree to Blizzard's rules and if you break their rules, you get punished.
Its the same in my class. If someone cheats, they get punished. If they do not like my class, then they can find another class. But I will not change my class for cheaters. And Blizzard doesn't cater to cheaters - they cater to those of us who play the game how its supposed to be played and do so legally.
Well first, you assume I agree to something, just because blizzard makes you click "OK AGREE" doesn't mean I agree with it. It is just what you have to do to enter game. Most people don't read that long wall of shit they just scroll down to the bottom and click ok.
Now that we have determined that click "OK" and actually "AGREEING" with something are two different things, just because Blizzard say "Don't do this it's naughty" isn't going to stop people from doing it.
Try that argument the next time you sign an agreement in the real world and then find yourself trying to get out of it.
"I only signed to get the car, I didn't agree to making the payments.".
You are getting truly laughable with your arguments, dude.
Whats funny is with this ruling, Microsoft can sue Blizzard for allowing users to run their game on their OS. There are parts of Vista that have the same type of agreement. I hope Microsoft and Blizzard sue each other to the ground (highly doubt that will happen).
lol so your saying Microsoft can sue every single company that writes programs for their OS? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
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Sorry to break your bubble, but when agree to any games EULA by clicking on the accept button, you are in essence agreeing to abide by THEIR rules, not yours.
That means that they can preclude you from running other programs on your computer when their game is active.
If you don't like it, fine, don't play their game, it is as simple as that. No free choice is being taken away from you.
BUT if you do play their game, it must be by their rules not yours. That is the way games work, you can't make up your own rules and that is what in essence some of your are claiming you want to do.
They crushed him with money, and now will bankrupt this man until he has lost everything. This doesn't encourage others to free think and create anything. This oppresses the people. Why would anyone bother to create anything anymore when as soon as they do a billion dollar corp comes in a crushes them in court until they lose their house, car, and dog for using their brain. Like it or not. The programmer of Glider is a very intelligent man, and made a program that has MANY more uses than just botting. That doesn't matter now because that just got stripped from him.
I hope heavy claims follow that actually do bankrupt him.
He does not only violate EULA, he knowingly violated copyright laws.
He makes a profit out of violating laws.
He disrupts a huge virtual environment and influences every player in the game by knowingly providing tools to disrupt the server.
He profits from other people's work.
He continued to distribute the program even after Blizzard had filed a lawsuit against him, for which he is charged too now.
I hope he goes bankrupt and Blizzard demands as much as they can.
It's like this.
The digital world is like the real world.
Companies like Blizzard are no different than the Government of the world. Setup to oppress it's people, when in reality they were suppose to protect them.
Then you have hackers that act like any of the organizations in the real world who fight against the government, fight against oppression and fight for freedom.
The government may be more powerful than these freedom fighters, just as companies like Blizzard are more powerful than the hackers.
However you will never stomp them out, they will ALWAYS fight the power. They won't stop until the freedom is realized.
That's just truth.
Yawn.
You have all the freedom you want -- if you don't like the rules, then don't buy the game.
WoW belongs to Blizzard, not you. When you buy a copy of the game, Blizzard is giving you a license to play the game, to use their property, on their terms.
Its no different than when you rent a hotel room. Do you complain about the fact that the hotel won't let you repaint your hotel room, or take out the furniture? The limitations on your "rights" when you rent a hotel room? Just because they let you sleep there, doesn't mean you're allowed to crap on the floor.
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Blizzard doesn't care about the money. They just want to ...
Yep definetly, Blizzard definetly not care about money. None of their employees care about money, in fact they work for free. Every penny they make heads to the church and education.
I think the laws are ridiculous when a player is allowed to play a game he owns, but not allowed to use a software wich copies the game to RAM to run the game. Soon we'll be seeing games with EULAs wich make running them with emulator illegal. Consumers should have more rights about how to run their own games. Blizzard is doing really good job against botters and I appreciate what they are doing, but the lawmakers should make better laws. Something that would make including any functionality to hide the program to a program wich can be used to bot illegal would be a good law. So that Blizzard, and other companies, could identify those botting programs and ban the users without problems should they wish to do so.
Unfortunately - this is a misconception the vast majority of gamers have - invariably when you 'buy' a game you're not actually buying the game. You're just buying a licence to use that game. The only thing you actually own in anyway is the box it came in, the manual it came with and the physical media it came on (and there are a number of arguments that state you don't even own those).
Blizzard owns the WOW client you've installed on your PC you have a license that allows you to install and use Blizzards property (the WOW client) on your PC. Blizzard can revoke that license at any time effectively meaning you don't even own the license; you just rent it. Essentially you have a rental agreement with Blizzard (or with any other software developer you've 'bought' software from and that includes the operating system you're using) to use their software. If you stuck a music studio in the middle of the garden of a house you were renting without the house owners permission he'd no doubt be a bit peeved and demand you leave the property immediately and take the studio with you.
It's probably not a particularly good analagy but Glider - and any other similar piece of code - is the software equivalent of the music studio in the back garden. Some other owners may not care about it or may even encourage it (always beware though, its THEIR garden not yours) but Blizzard is a bit pissed off at the mess it's made of the roses and wants Michael Donnelly evicted.
all this manages to do is drive it underground. what blizzard is against is not allowing players to play their game automated. however laws in these areas are very fuzzy and should be ruled on a case by case basis. glider is more or less a advance macro and all the programmer has to do is change it and add additional functions other than to bot in wow and blizzard would have no foot to stand on - although retain it's ability to still bot in wow through 3rd party/open source scripts addons. alternatively he can just release or leak the code for glider and it's all over.
all this manages to do is drive it underground. what blizzard is against is not allowing players to play their game automated. however laws in these areas are very fussy and have to be done on a case by case basis. glider is more or less a advance macro and all the programmer has to do is change it and add additional functions other than to bot in wow and blizzard would have no foot to stand on - although retain it's ability to still bot in wow through 3rd party/open source scripts addons. alternatively he can just release or leak the code for glider and it's all over.
I disagree. The concept is, you can play the game Blizzard designed. If you don't want to play the game Blizzard designed, then you can't play.
You don't get to change the program in any way, because it's a violation of the EULA.
It's a good decision, and good for gamers.
If I play an MMO, I want to play the MMO the developers made, not a game that's changed by cheaters.
If you want a game that caters to cheaters, bots, and stuff like that, then make one.
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Well first, you assume I agree to something, just because blizzard makes you click "OK AGREE" doesn't mean I agree with it. It is just what you have to do to enter game. Most people don't read that long wall of shit they just scroll down to the bottom and click ok.
Now that we have determined that click "OK" and actually "AGREEING" with something are two different things, just because Blizzard say "Don't do this it's naughty" isn't going to stop people from doing it.
Then DON'T PLAY!!!! My god how is this concept too hard to grasp? Jeebus H. Christ! First you're saying it infringes on your rights, then you say "Ok, I clicked I agree but that doesn't mean I agree" I swear you flip flop more than Kerry and Obama put together! Sorry pal, but YOU are the one at fault for not bothering to read the EULA and TOS before clicking on that button and before creating your toon/account. If you don't like to play by the rules, then don't play!
To use another simpler example, do you think that, it would be ok if you started playing Monopoly with your friends, but you started off with getting all the hotels beforehand without doing any actual game play? NO! Of course not! You might think that's a good idea, but all your friends are going to be pissed at you and for good reason! You're not bothering to play the game by the rules and more than likely, they're not going to play with you again.
Jeeeeesus! How more dense can you possibly be?!
Cheers Blizzard, thanks for doing what SOE should have pursued 10 years ago against the same type of scum who created ShowEQ and other sniffers, but Smedley was too much of a two faced pussy to initiate action against.
I hope Blizzard takes everything this assclown owns.
I hope heavy claims follow that actually do bankrupt him.
He does not only violate EULA, he knowingly violated copyright laws.
He makes a profit out of violating laws.
He disrupts a huge virtual environment and influences every player in the game by knowingly providing tools to disrupt the server.
He profits from other people's work.
He continued to distribute the program even after Blizzard had filed a lawsuit against him, for which he is charged too now.
I hope he goes bankrupt and Blizzard demands as much as they can.
It's like this.
The digital world is like the real world.
Companies like Blizzard are no different than the Government of the world. Setup to oppress it's people, when in reality they were suppose to protect them.
Then you have hackers that act like any of the organizations in the real world who fight against the government, fight against oppression and fight for freedom.
The government may be more powerful than these freedom fighters, just as companies like Blizzard are more powerful than the hackers.
However you will never stomp them out, they will ALWAYS fight the power. They won't stop until the freedom is realized.
That's just truth.
ROFLMAO!!
Sorry dude, but the whole hackers are freedom fighters bit went out in the eighties.
Come back to reality.
Well, this is bad news all around. Take away more rights from the public, give more rights to companies, all in the name of protecting us from those [insert bad people here]. There are numerous problems with EULA as has already been mentioned, such as not being able to agree to it before buying the software (and no, you can't take it back, at least no store I know of will take back software that's been opened.). Also, the legal terminology in most EULA's is so thick that many people might not understand what they are agreeing to. EULA's are not like contracts, which are negotiated between two parties. They are non-negotiable things which producers slap on their product, and consumers agree or cannot play.
This ruling is going to do nothing to stop botters. I don't know why so many of you are clueless to this fact. People who use the software already (which is hidden to blizzard) will continue to use it. Clones of the software will spring up and be more covert so as not to get caught. Or maybe they will get caught. Then more clones will come out. It's like the hydra - it starts with one head, if you cut it off, two more will grow. One head is better - one head can be tracked. But no one in this government understand that. They have done it time and again every time.
They are punishing the do-gooders (consumers) for the crimes of the do-bads. (The criminals may be the ones fined, but software users are the ones who will be punished). We aren't allowed to use our RAM the way we want now? WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO. I can't wait for processbots which scan your computer and sends reports of running programs to various corporations or agencies to be mandatory. Heck, we already have things like gameguard/punkbuster that do just that. All to protect us from cheaters. And it DOESN'T EVEN WORK!
Nah, they will just hire him to create a GM glider, so they can fire all the GMs and still provide better service to the players. Trust me, inside information here!
Not true. A guildie and his girlfirend got banned after the first day of trying glider, Blizzard does actively ban botters and gold farmer accounts.
I agree. I'd also like to state that all doping-free athletes are drones and idiots for not enhancing their performance! Stupid buffoons, they need to get a brain!
Two things about this:
1. Policing DOES work on an individual level. What I meant by it not working is that the cheaters will find another better way if their main method dies. If blizzard can find and ban accounts using glider, and then they make glider dissapear, now they don't KNOW what program people might be using. They are just putting the ball back in the cheaters court. You can stop individual cheaters but you can't stop cheating in general.
2. It's perfectly within their rights (moral rights, not legal rights) to police the game on their own terms, and disallow access to the servers by anyone. This is how they protect their game and their property. Having the government declare that cheaters are infringing on copyright is something different altogether. And making that infringement based upon EULA and the way the program works is an extremely general ruling that is very scary.
Really, the best option blizzard would have had is to find a technological solution to a technical problem, rather than going the legal route. Because a technical solution is still needed. The legal route is not going to find the cheaters, the legal route is not going to deter many cheaters, the legal route is not going to stop the cheaters who are cheating. The legal route is on the other hand going to get some grandma sued for something her nephew did.
Please tell me that taking down napster and going after bit torrent users has stopped music piracy. I think piracy is more rampant than ever these days.
Yeah tough decision, sue the pants off of him and his future children, or...... give him a desk...
"Finally this case effects all pc software not just blizzard, I couldn't care less about WoW ."
What do you have going on on that PC of yours that has you so frightened?
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Read the EULA online before you buy the game if it bothers you. No one is forcing you to play a Blizzard game. If you want to play the game you have to play by the rules or don't play at all simple as that.
Whats funny is with this ruling, Microsoft can sue Blizzard for allowing users to run their game on their OS. There are parts of Vista that have the same type of agreement.
I hope Microsoft and Blizzard sue each other to the ground (highly doubt that will happen).
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
You can run whatever script you want on YOUR computer but it can't affect BLIZZARD'S program.
You willing gave up certain rights when you installed WoW and clicked OK on the EULA. If you wanted to run the script you should of clicked no to the EULA but then your script would be unless. That's your problem.
I laughed when I thought about Lineage 2 following the footsteps of WOW and bringing the bot makers of L2Walker and L2Superman to court.....I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
"OK so now you know how glider works, and you thinks it's OK for a judge to tell me I can't write a script, house it on MY computer and do whatever in the hell I want with it. It isn't malicious, it does nothing to blizzards servers or software, nothing to code, it is just a ghost mouse script I use to press some keys and mouse clicks."
If it does nothing and is so harmless, why does it change the name and all that when Warden would be looking?
Spin all you want, still seems fishy to me.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Maybe because the warden has no business looking at what someone has on their personal property any more than we have no business looking at what Blizzard has in its personal property: the servers.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Well first, you assume I agree to something, just because blizzard makes you click "OK AGREE" doesn't mean I agree with it. It is just what you have to do to enter game. Most people don't read that long wall of shit they just scroll down to the bottom and click ok.
Now that we have determined that click "OK" and actually "AGREEING" with something are two different things, just because Blizzard say "Don't do this it's naughty" isn't going to stop people from doing it.
Try that argument the next time you sign an agreement in the real world and then find yourself trying to get out of it.
"I only signed to get the car, I didn't agree to making the payments.".
You are getting truly laughable with your arguments, dude.
lol so your saying Microsoft can sue every single company that writes programs for their OS? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
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Wow, what a bunch of whiny kids on this thread.
Sorry to break your bubble, but when agree to any games EULA by clicking on the accept button, you are in essence agreeing to abide by THEIR rules, not yours.
That means that they can preclude you from running other programs on your computer when their game is active.
If you don't like it, fine, don't play their game, it is as simple as that. No free choice is being taken away from you.
BUT if you do play their game, it must be by their rules not yours. That is the way games work, you can't make up your own rules and that is what in essence some of your are claiming you want to do.
I hope heavy claims follow that actually do bankrupt him.
He does not only violate EULA, he knowingly violated copyright laws.
He makes a profit out of violating laws.
He disrupts a huge virtual environment and influences every player in the game by knowingly providing tools to disrupt the server.
He profits from other people's work.
He continued to distribute the program even after Blizzard had filed a lawsuit against him, for which he is charged too now.
I hope he goes bankrupt and Blizzard demands as much as they can.
It's like this.
The digital world is like the real world.
Companies like Blizzard are no different than the Government of the world. Setup to oppress it's people, when in reality they were suppose to protect them.
Then you have hackers that act like any of the organizations in the real world who fight against the government, fight against oppression and fight for freedom.
The government may be more powerful than these freedom fighters, just as companies like Blizzard are more powerful than the hackers.
However you will never stomp them out, they will ALWAYS fight the power. They won't stop until the freedom is realized.
That's just truth.
Yawn.
You have all the freedom you want -- if you don't like the rules, then don't buy the game.
WoW belongs to Blizzard, not you. When you buy a copy of the game, Blizzard is giving you a license to play the game, to use their property, on their terms.
Its no different than when you rent a hotel room. Do you complain about the fact that the hotel won't let you repaint your hotel room, or take out the furniture? The limitations on your "rights" when you rent a hotel room? Just because they let you sleep there, doesn't mean you're allowed to crap on the floor.
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Yep definetly, Blizzard definetly not care about money. None of their employees care about money, in fact they work for free. Every penny they make heads to the church and education.
REALITY CHECK
Unfortunately - this is a misconception the vast majority of gamers have - invariably when you 'buy' a game you're not actually buying the game. You're just buying a licence to use that game. The only thing you actually own in anyway is the box it came in, the manual it came with and the physical media it came on (and there are a number of arguments that state you don't even own those).
Blizzard owns the WOW client you've installed on your PC you have a license that allows you to install and use Blizzards property (the WOW client) on your PC. Blizzard can revoke that license at any time effectively meaning you don't even own the license; you just rent it. Essentially you have a rental agreement with Blizzard (or with any other software developer you've 'bought' software from and that includes the operating system you're using) to use their software. If you stuck a music studio in the middle of the garden of a house you were renting without the house owners permission he'd no doubt be a bit peeved and demand you leave the property immediately and take the studio with you.
It's probably not a particularly good analagy but Glider - and any other similar piece of code - is the software equivalent of the music studio in the back garden. Some other owners may not care about it or may even encourage it (always beware though, its THEIR garden not yours) but Blizzard is a bit pissed off at the mess it's made of the roses and wants Michael Donnelly evicted.
all this manages to do is drive it underground. what blizzard is against is not allowing players to play their game automated. however laws in these areas are very fuzzy and should be ruled on a case by case basis. glider is more or less a advance macro and all the programmer has to do is change it and add additional functions other than to bot in wow and blizzard would have no foot to stand on - although retain it's ability to still bot in wow through 3rd party/open source scripts addons. alternatively he can just release or leak the code for glider and it's all over.
I disagree. The concept is, you can play the game Blizzard designed. If you don't want to play the game Blizzard designed, then you can't play.
You don't get to change the program in any way, because it's a violation of the EULA.
It's a good decision, and good for gamers.
If I play an MMO, I want to play the MMO the developers made, not a game that's changed by cheaters.
If you want a game that caters to cheaters, bots, and stuff like that, then make one.
WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does.