Well every mmo fails at stopping bots, from f2p to p2p.
And punishment should be dealt when needed. This guy broke the copyright rules, and has ruined the game for millions of people. Wishing he gets raped is the lighter end of my wishes.
Just because a engine is weak does not mean it should be taken advantage of, that is like saying if a guy steals something he should not be put in prision because the security of the store sucks. Punishment has to be dealt out for crimes, that is the way law works. Just becuase it was not prevented by the game/store/homeowner/etc does not mean it should be allowed to go unpunished.
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
It seems you have a hacker fixation :P Anyways I'm hoping they jail him, and he gets man loving in prison. Atleast a little justice will be served then. Even if it does not do much to any of the other botters/makers, it would still be nice that he gets punished.
And you were the one to use underground first, so don't act like I'm dumb for saying it: "Look all jail time will do is force bot makers underground and making sure their programs are more discreet."
What i am trying to point out is, you have a narrow vision. You arent seeing the bigger picture. This guy going to prison for something like this, not only does nothing to serve justice, but it does nothing to solve the greater problem. So hoping this guy gets anally raped in jail doesnt change the fact that their will be a bot problem, nor does it mean it will stop it.
Ive yet to insult you, i used underground, and simply clarified what i meant when i said it, so relax.
Its all these demands for bandaid fixes why society is the way it is today, lets not actually solve the actual problem, but punsih the people who take advantage of the situation.
If the engine wasnt weak, there wouldnt be botters,
Bot makers are already underground.... Forcing them to be even more discreet means it will be even harder to find them in the future. Not only will they work on not getting caught they will work on not getting their programs detected.
I think botters will be stopped soon. I asked a developer of SoE (he left SoE now, good for him) why they couldn't stop them.
They need to encrypt the data send to your PC and encrypt it. But that lags you out if your computer is slow.
But now, with faster and faster computer, it's only a matter of time before they can completely encrypt every message with the server.
That will mean the end of a great deal of botter program I think. Because once the botter finds out the encryption (I should say if) they can just change it all to a new encrpytion again and be one step ahead of botters.
Apparently you guys would rather sit on a server free of botters, than you would in a country with freedom to bot. Because you just might get your wish...
i couldn't have put it better myself. some people are too caught up with a petty videogame to realise what this case could set future precedent for organsiations like the RIAA. however mdy can still appeal...
i dunno why people are against this. Blizzard is trying to get rid of a bot program.
Bots = shit
blizzard wants to get rid of it, so they are doing a good thing. Some of you guys are making this out to be a conspiracy theory. All you need to know, is that you cant bot and play a MMOG, thats all, put your links and what other BS you have away, because blizzard is only going after this bot program.
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i dunno why people are against this. Blizzard is trying to get rid of a bot program. Bots = shit blizzard wants to get rid of it, so they are doing a good thing. Some of you guys are making this out to be a conspiracy theory. All you need to know, is that you cant bot and play a MMOG, thats all, put your links and what other BS you have away, because blizzard is only going after this bot program.
Oh, you are SOOOO naive. Don't you realize that this is only the first step. Next, Blizzard will be petitioning Congress and the Department of Education to require at least 100 hours of WoW per semester as mandatory high school curriculum. Sooner or later, we'll be forced to pay a WoW tax, and before you know it, our sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and plumbers will be shipped over to Iraq to fight Al Queda in Arathi Basin.
This is just the beginning, my friend. Just. The. Beginning.
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i dunno why people are against this. Blizzard is trying to get rid of a bot program. Bots = shit blizzard wants to get rid of it, so they are doing a good thing. Some of you guys are making this out to be a conspiracy theory. All you need to know, is that you cant bot and play a MMOG, thats all, put your links and what other BS you have away, because blizzard is only going after this bot program.
Oh, you are SOOOO naive. Don't you realize that this is only the first step. Next, Blizzard will be petitioning Congress and the Department of Education to require at least 100 hours of WoW per semester as mandatory high school curriculum. Sooner or later, we'll be forced to pay a WoW tax, and before you know it, our sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and plumbers will be shipped over to Iraq to fight Al Queda in Arathi Basin.
This is just the beginning, my friend. Just. The. Beginning.
That makes no sense at all. To everyone who thinks this world is going to be run by a gaming company needs to grow up. The bot program violated the EULA that Blizzard created for "their" game and they have all the right in the world to enforce it. If they want you to play "their" game a certain way, and you accept the EULA when you first start WoW, then you should play it as they see fit. Botters are not doing anything except ruining games for other people with RLMT and the crashing of the in game economy (not just on WoW but all games.)
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i dunno why people are against this. Blizzard is trying to get rid of a bot program. Bots = shit blizzard wants to get rid of it, so they are doing a good thing. Some of you guys are making this out to be a conspiracy theory. All you need to know, is that you cant bot and play a MMOG, thats all, put your links and what other BS you have away, because blizzard is only going after this bot program.
Oh, you are SOOOO naive. Don't you realize that this is only the first step. Next, Blizzard will be petitioning Congress and the Department of Education to require at least 100 hours of WoW per semester as mandatory high school curriculum. Sooner or later, we'll be forced to pay a WoW tax, and before you know it, our sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and plumbers will be shipped over to Iraq to fight Al Queda in Arathi Basin.
This is just the beginning, my friend. Just. The. Beginning.
That makes no sense at all. To everyone who thinks this world is going to be run by a gaming company needs to grow up. The bot program violated the EULA that Blizzard created for "their" game and they have all the right in the world to enforce it. If they want you to play "their" game a certain way, and you accept the EULA when you first start WoW, then you should play it as they see fit. Botters are not doing anything except ruining games for other people with RLMT and the crashing of the in game economy (not just on WoW but all games.)
i think he was being sarcastic.
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Ha, sarcastic or not that just wasn't intended to be towards the person I quoted. This thread has a number of people that think this win for blizzard will bring about the demise of personal privacy in MMOs and what the companies can do with their new found powers.
Its simple, they have the right to stop people from botting in their games. And thats it.
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Is glider the only bot Warden/Blizzard has a somewhat difficult time detecting at times?
Speculators uh, well, speculate that there is a better bot out there for WoW that is not glider. They say it's a lot harder to detect than glider.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!" - Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
Is glider the only bot Warden/Blizzard has a somewhat difficult time detecting at times?
Speculators uh, well, speculate that there is a better bot out there for WoW that is not glider. They say it's a lot harder to detect than glider.
Just curious what bot this is? Only bot I heard was safe to run with WoW was glider (source was guild/vent).
There is a bot 10x better than glider you can use for WoW.
This bot is not only 100% undetectable from the warden, it also uses an advanced scripting technique to make the botted character appear 100% played by a real person.
Glider had 1 downfall, It was bot like, when you turned it turned in 90 degree angles, no player moves this way, they move and turn in fluid motion "usually" curving their travel path. You could always easily spot a glider.
Glider was undetectable by warden also, 90% of the people banned using glider were reported to GM's for "suspicious" activity. Gliders official forums even had a section warning players to use built in GM warning alert, and also never be to far from the PC in case a GM teleported to watch you.
People just didn't bother to do it the right way, and so Glider was getting easier and easier to catch onto.
The 2nd bot to be produced is a source bot, I'm not going to give it's name or tell you where to find it. It is out there for those who know where to look. It is also free.
The major difference is this program is 100% undetectable by warden. It also changed the waypoint scripting to allow the bot to appear fluid in movement, and interact with the world. Glider could only kill and loot for you. Could also sit and drink/eat if needed.
The new one can kill mobs, loot mobs, skin mobs, do quest, sell loot to vendors, repair armor, pretty much EVERYTHING you can do. It can do. While doing so appears player like with complete fluid movements, it doesn't do bot movements in anyway shape or form. All turns it makes are fluid and curved. It doesn't stop turn 90 degrees then run stop turn 90 degrees keep running.
Anyway to answer your question yes there are other bots out there. There are better bots out there. No blizzard will not stop the bots. Pretty simple as that.
I don't like how they go about determining at what point the bot becomes an illegal violation of the blizzard agreement.
Ban bots, sure, but to say it's illegal for me to load software while another software is currently loaded, on my personal computer, at home, is...........
"loading into memory" ... excuse me? dont you mean "accessed while playing" or "loaded while playing" or "executed while playing" ? why is just simply loading it into memory while the game is running, a violation?
For standard arguements that works fine, but for a Court to determine something like that, is going beyond boundaries that i guarantee you are not allowed by the people for the courts. Watch your step courts, you are walking on protected ground. I'll load whatever i want, whenever i want, however i want, on my personal computer, while any program in the world that i so choose, is running simultaneously. Out of spite for an over-extended ruling, I will even Execute the bot while WoW is currently up and running on my computer.
Don't tell me what i can and cant have on my computer, especially when a bot doesnt break any U.S. laws. It is essentially an airsoft gun, it only becomes a problem when you shoot it at people, in this case the people are WoW. I can understand saying don't execute this bot while executing wow, because that would constitute aiming the airsoft at a person, and using the bots abilities to manipulate wow, would be like shooting a pellet at a person, in terms of law and court's range of law, but to tell me i cant even load the program into my memory while wow is installed/running, well... now you're putting words/actions into my mouth/hand, and telling me that i am Going to do things i might not have even thought of, well no i am not.
What says I'm going to use the bot? What says I'm not going to analyse it's code to determine something for my own reasons that Don't violate any blizzard agreement? What if I just coincidentally had WoW and the bot running, never used a bot in wow before, never will, and i am alt tabbed from wow examining the bot and checking it out, with no intention of using it, am i still breaking the LAW (once ruled by a court, it becomes court-mandated law) ? If you tell me face to face, that is breaking the law, I will guarantee that we will rise up, and put an end to this run-away train of rediculousness. We are in control, We don't see it as a guaranteed problem, We are very protective over our rights.
Ban my account blizzard, but don't go crying to the court systems. I guarantee you blizzard, your karma is at an all-time negative, so if you enjoy your 1990's diablo1 pc hacking, and your 2008 wow bot lawsuits, i suggest you end your company now, before we do it for you.
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I don't like how they go about determining at what point the bot becomes an illegal violation of the blizzard agreement. Ban bots, sure, but to say it's illegal for me to load software while another software is currently loaded, on my personal computer, at home, is........... "loading into memory" ... excuse me? dont you mean "accessed while playing" or "loaded while playing" or "executed while playing" ? why is just simply loading it into memory while the game is running, a violation? For standard arguements that works fine, but for a Court to determine something like that, is going beyond boundaries that i guarantee you are not allowed by the people for the courts. Watch your step courts, you are walking on protected ground. I'll load whatever i want, whenever i want, however i want, on my personal computer, while any program in the world that i so choose, is running simultaneously. Out of spite for an over-extended ruling, I will even Execute the bot while WoW is currently up and running on my computer. Don't tell me what i can and cant have on my computer, especially when a bot doesnt break any U.S. laws. It is essentially an airsoft gun, it only becomes a problem when you shoot it at people, in this case the people are WoW. I can understand saying don't execute this bot while executing wow, because that would constitute aiming the airsoft at a person, and using the bots abilities to manipulate wow, would be like shooting a pellet at a person, in terms of law and court's range of law, but to tell me i cant even load the program into my memory while wow is installed/running, well... now you're putting words/actions into my mouth/hand, and telling me that i am Going to do things i might not have even thought of, well no i am not. What says I'm going to use the bot? What says I'm not going to analyse it's code to determine something for my own reasons that Don't violate any blizzard agreement? What if I just coincidentally had WoW and the bot running, never used a bot in wow before, never will, and i am alt tabbed from wow examining the bot and checking it out, with no intention of using it, am i still breaking the LAW (once ruled by a court, it becomes court-mandated law) ? If you tell me face to face, that is breaking the law, I will guarantee that we will rise up, and put an end to this run-away train of rediculousness. We are in control, We don't see it as a guaranteed problem, We are very protective over our rights. Ban my account blizzard, but don't go crying to the court systems. I guarantee you blizzard, your karma is at an all-time negative, so if you enjoy your 1990's diablo1 pc hacking, and your 2008 wow bot lawsuits, i suggest you end your company now, before we do it for you.
You, and a bunch of other players are totally missing the point. It's not about
"loading into memory" ... excuse me? dont you mean "accessed while playing" or "loaded while playing" or "executed while playing" ? why is just simply loading it into memory while the game is running, a violation?"
It's about what the program you are loading into memory DOES, and in the case of bots, it interferes with the game.
That's the issue, not when the program loads.
If you load something into memory, and it doesn't interfere with the game, it's not a violation. Anyone that doesn't get that is retarded.
The thing is Glider and World of Warcraft DO NOT interact with each other. No code is traversed across the interwebz. Glider programming doesn't ever leave your personal machine. It is in essence a script file that will automate key clicks and keyboard button mashes for you. It works as an overlay to the OS. It is telling your keyboard and mouse to react at certain intervals of time. It does nothing to interfere with the actual game World of Warcraft or it's servers.
The main complaint of non-glider users is that it "destroys the economy".
News flash, you do not need a bot to destroy a games economy just greed and ambition.
The gold farmers of World of Warcraft are NOT bots, just people with no life who farm alllllll day long to make gold. They in turn use that gold to buy up all the items upon a servers AH and reset them to their desired price.
Example - Gold Farmer farms 100 gold in 1 day. He then visits the AH and picks a desired item for this exercise we will use Mageweave cloth.
Ok several normal players of WoW are selling their mageweave for an average price of 3-5 gold for a 20 stack of mageweave. There are currently 20 auctions on the AH for mageweave set at 5 gold each.
Gold Farmers uses the 100 gold he made to buy every stack of mageweave at 5 gold each.
He visits his mailbox and pulls out all the stacks and heads directly back to the AH then he proceeds to repost all of these stacks at a new price of 10 gold each. In essence doubling his profit.
Normal player visits the AH and see every stack of mageweave is 10 gold. Well he doesn't have a choice but to buy it unless he wants to farm it himself, Average wow player is lazy beyond human imagination and the gold farmer knows this. So normal player buys it.
Now all normal players visiting the AH sees that they can actually get 10 gold for mageweave. Amazing I know, so they now post all their items at the new price the gold farmer has manipulated the AH and caused mass inflation.
Ok so we took just 1 example of mageweave and I showed you how AH inflation is done. It is a fact it is done, and if you would like some expert advice on how to carry it out, I will direct you to a very fine fellow (sarcasm) names Jrdevious who I had the pleasure of watching massacre a economy on Draka US.
He inflated the economy so much in fact that he eventually made an entire guild devoted to his technique and took a cut from each members AH profits for teaching them the technique. (he would also fund new members to get started by giving them enough gold to buy low and sell high).
The average botter uses his bot to gain levels, to gain levels without actually having to sit in his chair for 20 hours a day on a grind.
Players are upset because "they" have to sit there 20 hours and be bored to tears, while johnny botter is out drinking beers with his buddy and still leveling up. Unfair advantage, depends, I personally do not have a problem with it. Doesn't affect my gameplay in the least. It actually hurts johnny botter to some degree because he doesn't know how to play his botted toon at max level, he never had to use the skills before. Although WoW is mind numbingly easy and would prolly only take johnny botter 1 day to master his class.
Anyway, ANY average joe can destroy your economy in the game, doesn't require a bot, just requires someone with a little gold and no morals.
Doesn't really matter anyway because botters will never be stopped neither will gold farming. Economies will always be destroyed and there isn't much any of you can do about it, besides play and level or bot and level. Go out and farm your items and refuse to pay inflation cost, or just buy it and bitch about how much everything cost.
That's about the extent of where all this is going.
"The thing is Glider and World of Warcraft DO NOT interact with each other" That is probably the most wrong statement in this thread. They most certainly do and the judge indicated so in his spiel on the copywrite violation. Sorry, if you don't understand the law, don't try interpreting it.
sorry if you do not understand how computers, programming and codes actually work.
Glider programming does not interact with the blizzards code.
That is the entire point of why glider was created. Anything that is sent to blizzard's servers would immediately be caught and flagged as an intrusion, it would be traced back and the connection terminated. Account associated with said connection banned.
What good would glider be if everytime you turned it on you got banned because it sent something to blizzards servers?
Doesn't make much sense now does it.
Truth of the matter is Glider doesn't do anything but run a script on your personal machine. I have had glider on my system, analyzed gliders code and know what glider actually does.
The judge ruled the creator of glider was infringing copyright laws by selling 3rd party software that had a connection to WoW. He was making profit from something that you had to have World of Warcraft to utilize.
It most certainly does not "interact" with WoW on a software/hardware or server capacity. Sorry.
"The thing is Glider and World of Warcraft DO NOT interact with each other" That is probably the most wrong statement in this thread. They most certainly do and the judge indicated so in his spiel on the copywrite violation. Sorry, if you don't understand the law, don't try interpreting it.
sorry if you do not understand how computers, programming and codes actually work.
Glider programming does not interact with the blizzards code.
That is the entire point of why glider was created. Anything that is sent to blizzard's servers would immediately be caught and flagged as an intrusion, it would be traced back and the connection terminated. Account associated with said connection banned.
What good would glider be if everytime you turned it on you got banned because it sent something to blizzards servers?
Doesn't make much sense now does it.
Truth of the matter is Glider doesn't do anything but run a script on your personal machine. I have had glider on my system, analyzed gliders code and know what glider actually does.
The judge ruled the creator of glider was infringing copyright laws by selling 3rd party software that had a connection to WoW. He was making profit from something that you had to have World of Warcraft to utilize.
It most certainly does not "interact" with WoW on a software/hardware or server capacity. Sorry.
Oh most certainly I do and you don't. I know exactly how software and hardware work, been doing it far longer than you have been on this earth. Since the judge agrees with me also, pretty much makes your chatter, nonsense.
"The thing is Glider and World of Warcraft DO NOT interact with each other" That is probably the most wrong statement in this thread. They most certainly do and the judge indicated so in his spiel on the copywrite violation. Sorry, if you don't understand the law, don't try interpreting it.
sorry if you do not understand how computers, programming and codes actually work.
Glider programming does not interact with the blizzards code.
That is the entire point of why glider was created. Anything that is sent to blizzard's servers would immediately be caught and flagged as an intrusion, it would be traced back and the connection terminated. Account associated with said connection banned.
What good would glider be if everytime you turned it on you got banned because it sent something to blizzards servers?
Doesn't make much sense now does it.
Truth of the matter is Glider doesn't do anything but run a script on your personal machine. I have had glider on my system, analyzed gliders code and know what glider actually does.
The judge ruled the creator of glider was infringing copyright laws by selling 3rd party software that had a connection to WoW. He was making profit from something that you had to have World of Warcraft to utilize.
It most certainly does not "interact" with WoW on a software/hardware or server capacity. Sorry.
Oh most certainly I do and you don't. I know exactly how software and hardware work, been doing it far longer than you have been on this earth. Since the judge agrees with me also, pretty much makes your chatter, nonsense.
You sound like you are about 13 years old, So I am pretty sure you haven't been doing anything longer than me on earth.
I usually do not carry on a debate with children so I wont bother replying to anything you have to say anymore. When someone with common sense adds something worthwhile to the issue besides,
"I been doing something longer than you been alive" or "A judge of "law" mind you knows more about what glider does and computer programming"
Then I will reply to them.
If he knew anything about computers, he would be a computer programmer not a civil court judge. Sorry you obvious attempts at trolling fails.
*edit - Also last I checked into the "copyright suit" the judge agreed with Blizzard not Ozmodan.....
"Since the judge agrees with me" - quote - Ozmodan.
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Well every mmo fails at stopping bots, from f2p to p2p.
And punishment should be dealt when needed. This guy broke the copyright rules, and has ruined the game for millions of people. Wishing he gets raped is the lighter end of my wishes.
Just because a engine is weak does not mean it should be taken advantage of, that is like saying if a guy steals something he should not be put in prision because the security of the store sucks. Punishment has to be dealt out for crimes, that is the way law works. Just becuase it was not prevented by the game/store/homeowner/etc does not mean it should be allowed to go unpunished.
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
What i am trying to point out is, you have a narrow vision. You arent seeing the bigger picture. This guy going to prison for something like this, not only does nothing to serve justice, but it does nothing to solve the greater problem. So hoping this guy gets anally raped in jail doesnt change the fact that their will be a bot problem, nor does it mean it will stop it.
Ive yet to insult you, i used underground, and simply clarified what i meant when i said it, so relax.
Its all these demands for bandaid fixes why society is the way it is today, lets not actually solve the actual problem, but punsih the people who take advantage of the situation.
If the engine wasnt weak, there wouldnt be botters,
So the strong should take advantage of the weak?
I think botters will be stopped soon. I asked a developer of SoE (he left SoE now, good for him) why they couldn't stop them.
They need to encrypt the data send to your PC and encrypt it. But that lags you out if your computer is slow.
But now, with faster and faster computer, it's only a matter of time before they can completely encrypt every message with the server.
That will mean the end of a great deal of botter program I think. Because once the botter finds out the encryption (I should say if) they can just change it all to a new encrpytion again and be one step ahead of botters.
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i couldn't have put it better myself. some people are too caught up with a petty videogame to realise what this case could set future precedent for organsiations like the RIAA. however mdy can still appeal...
i dunno why people are against this. Blizzard is trying to get rid of a bot program.
Bots = shit
blizzard wants to get rid of it, so they are doing a good thing. Some of you guys are making this out to be a conspiracy theory. All you need to know, is that you cant bot and play a MMOG, thats all, put your links and what other BS you have away, because blizzard is only going after this bot program.
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Oh, you are SOOOO naive. Don't you realize that this is only the first step. Next, Blizzard will be petitioning Congress and the Department of Education to require at least 100 hours of WoW per semester as mandatory high school curriculum. Sooner or later, we'll be forced to pay a WoW tax, and before you know it, our sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and plumbers will be shipped over to Iraq to fight Al Queda in Arathi Basin.
This is just the beginning, my friend. Just. The. Beginning.
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Oh, you are SOOOO naive. Don't you realize that this is only the first step. Next, Blizzard will be petitioning Congress and the Department of Education to require at least 100 hours of WoW per semester as mandatory high school curriculum. Sooner or later, we'll be forced to pay a WoW tax, and before you know it, our sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and plumbers will be shipped over to Iraq to fight Al Queda in Arathi Basin.
This is just the beginning, my friend. Just. The. Beginning.
That makes no sense at all. To everyone who thinks this world is going to be run by a gaming company needs to grow up. The bot program violated the EULA that Blizzard created for "their" game and they have all the right in the world to enforce it. If they want you to play "their" game a certain way, and you accept the EULA when you first start WoW, then you should play it as they see fit. Botters are not doing anything except ruining games for other people with RLMT and the crashing of the in game economy (not just on WoW but all games.)
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
Oh, you are SOOOO naive. Don't you realize that this is only the first step. Next, Blizzard will be petitioning Congress and the Department of Education to require at least 100 hours of WoW per semester as mandatory high school curriculum. Sooner or later, we'll be forced to pay a WoW tax, and before you know it, our sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and plumbers will be shipped over to Iraq to fight Al Queda in Arathi Basin.
This is just the beginning, my friend. Just. The. Beginning.
That makes no sense at all. To everyone who thinks this world is going to be run by a gaming company needs to grow up. The bot program violated the EULA that Blizzard created for "their" game and they have all the right in the world to enforce it. If they want you to play "their" game a certain way, and you accept the EULA when you first start WoW, then you should play it as they see fit. Botters are not doing anything except ruining games for other people with RLMT and the crashing of the in game economy (not just on WoW but all games.)
i think he was being sarcastic.
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Ha, sarcastic or not that just wasn't intended to be towards the person I quoted. This thread has a number of people that think this win for blizzard will bring about the demise of personal privacy in MMOs and what the companies can do with their new found powers.
Its simple, they have the right to stop people from botting in their games. And thats it.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
Is glider the only bot Warden/Blizzard has a somewhat difficult time detecting at times?
Pats are gonna go 19-0 2008-2009 season
Speculators uh, well, speculate that there is a better bot out there for WoW that is not glider. They say it's a lot harder to detect than glider.
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Speculators uh, well, speculate that there is a better bot out there for WoW that is not glider. They say it's a lot harder to detect than glider.
Just curious what bot this is? Only bot I heard was safe to run with WoW was glider (source was guild/vent).
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Cool, a thread full of 14 year old armchair lawyers. LOL
Speculators uh, well, speculate that there is a better bot out there for WoW that is not glider. They say it's a lot harder to detect than glider.
Just curious what bot this is? Only bot I heard was safe to run with WoW was glider (source was guild/vent).
There is a bot 10x better than glider you can use for WoW.
This bot is not only 100% undetectable from the warden, it also uses an advanced scripting technique to make the botted character appear 100% played by a real person.
Glider had 1 downfall, It was bot like, when you turned it turned in 90 degree angles, no player moves this way, they move and turn in fluid motion "usually" curving their travel path. You could always easily spot a glider.
Glider was undetectable by warden also, 90% of the people banned using glider were reported to GM's for "suspicious" activity. Gliders official forums even had a section warning players to use built in GM warning alert, and also never be to far from the PC in case a GM teleported to watch you.
People just didn't bother to do it the right way, and so Glider was getting easier and easier to catch onto.
The 2nd bot to be produced is a source bot, I'm not going to give it's name or tell you where to find it. It is out there for those who know where to look. It is also free.
The major difference is this program is 100% undetectable by warden. It also changed the waypoint scripting to allow the bot to appear fluid in movement, and interact with the world. Glider could only kill and loot for you. Could also sit and drink/eat if needed.
The new one can kill mobs, loot mobs, skin mobs, do quest, sell loot to vendors, repair armor, pretty much EVERYTHING you can do. It can do. While doing so appears player like with complete fluid movements, it doesn't do bot movements in anyway shape or form. All turns it makes are fluid and curved. It doesn't stop turn 90 degrees then run stop turn 90 degrees keep running.
Anyway to answer your question yes there are other bots out there. There are better bots out there. No blizzard will not stop the bots. Pretty simple as that.
I don't like how they go about determining at what point the bot becomes an illegal violation of the blizzard agreement.
Ban bots, sure, but to say it's illegal for me to load software while another software is currently loaded, on my personal computer, at home, is...........
"loading into memory" ... excuse me? dont you mean "accessed while playing" or "loaded while playing" or "executed while playing" ? why is just simply loading it into memory while the game is running, a violation?
For standard arguements that works fine, but for a Court to determine something like that, is going beyond boundaries that i guarantee you are not allowed by the people for the courts. Watch your step courts, you are walking on protected ground. I'll load whatever i want, whenever i want, however i want, on my personal computer, while any program in the world that i so choose, is running simultaneously. Out of spite for an over-extended ruling, I will even Execute the bot while WoW is currently up and running on my computer.
Don't tell me what i can and cant have on my computer, especially when a bot doesnt break any U.S. laws. It is essentially an airsoft gun, it only becomes a problem when you shoot it at people, in this case the people are WoW. I can understand saying don't execute this bot while executing wow, because that would constitute aiming the airsoft at a person, and using the bots abilities to manipulate wow, would be like shooting a pellet at a person, in terms of law and court's range of law, but to tell me i cant even load the program into my memory while wow is installed/running, well... now you're putting words/actions into my mouth/hand, and telling me that i am Going to do things i might not have even thought of, well no i am not.
What says I'm going to use the bot? What says I'm not going to analyse it's code to determine something for my own reasons that Don't violate any blizzard agreement? What if I just coincidentally had WoW and the bot running, never used a bot in wow before, never will, and i am alt tabbed from wow examining the bot and checking it out, with no intention of using it, am i still breaking the LAW (once ruled by a court, it becomes court-mandated law) ? If you tell me face to face, that is breaking the law, I will guarantee that we will rise up, and put an end to this run-away train of rediculousness. We are in control, We don't see it as a guaranteed problem, We are very protective over our rights.
Ban my account blizzard, but don't go crying to the court systems. I guarantee you blizzard, your karma is at an all-time negative, so if you enjoy your 1990's diablo1 pc hacking, and your 2008 wow bot lawsuits, i suggest you end your company now, before we do it for you.
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You, and a bunch of other players are totally missing the point. It's not about
"loading into memory" ... excuse me? dont you mean "accessed while playing" or "loaded while playing" or "executed while playing" ? why is just simply loading it into memory while the game is running, a violation?"
It's about what the program you are loading into memory DOES, and in the case of bots, it interferes with the game.
That's the issue, not when the program loads.
If you load something into memory, and it doesn't interfere with the game, it's not a violation. Anyone that doesn't get that is retarded.
The thing is Glider and World of Warcraft DO NOT interact with each other. No code is traversed across the interwebz. Glider programming doesn't ever leave your personal machine. It is in essence a script file that will automate key clicks and keyboard button mashes for you. It works as an overlay to the OS. It is telling your keyboard and mouse to react at certain intervals of time. It does nothing to interfere with the actual game World of Warcraft or it's servers.
The main complaint of non-glider users is that it "destroys the economy".
News flash, you do not need a bot to destroy a games economy just greed and ambition.
The gold farmers of World of Warcraft are NOT bots, just people with no life who farm alllllll day long to make gold. They in turn use that gold to buy up all the items upon a servers AH and reset them to their desired price.
Example - Gold Farmer farms 100 gold in 1 day. He then visits the AH and picks a desired item for this exercise we will use Mageweave cloth.
Ok several normal players of WoW are selling their mageweave for an average price of 3-5 gold for a 20 stack of mageweave. There are currently 20 auctions on the AH for mageweave set at 5 gold each.
Gold Farmers uses the 100 gold he made to buy every stack of mageweave at 5 gold each.
He visits his mailbox and pulls out all the stacks and heads directly back to the AH then he proceeds to repost all of these stacks at a new price of 10 gold each. In essence doubling his profit.
Normal player visits the AH and see every stack of mageweave is 10 gold. Well he doesn't have a choice but to buy it unless he wants to farm it himself, Average wow player is lazy beyond human imagination and the gold farmer knows this. So normal player buys it.
Now all normal players visiting the AH sees that they can actually get 10 gold for mageweave. Amazing I know, so they now post all their items at the new price the gold farmer has manipulated the AH and caused mass inflation.
Ok so we took just 1 example of mageweave and I showed you how AH inflation is done. It is a fact it is done, and if you would like some expert advice on how to carry it out, I will direct you to a very fine fellow (sarcasm) names Jrdevious who I had the pleasure of watching massacre a economy on Draka US.
He inflated the economy so much in fact that he eventually made an entire guild devoted to his technique and took a cut from each members AH profits for teaching them the technique. (he would also fund new members to get started by giving them enough gold to buy low and sell high).
The average botter uses his bot to gain levels, to gain levels without actually having to sit in his chair for 20 hours a day on a grind.
Players are upset because "they" have to sit there 20 hours and be bored to tears, while johnny botter is out drinking beers with his buddy and still leveling up. Unfair advantage, depends, I personally do not have a problem with it. Doesn't affect my gameplay in the least. It actually hurts johnny botter to some degree because he doesn't know how to play his botted toon at max level, he never had to use the skills before. Although WoW is mind numbingly easy and would prolly only take johnny botter 1 day to master his class.
Anyway, ANY average joe can destroy your economy in the game, doesn't require a bot, just requires someone with a little gold and no morals.
Doesn't really matter anyway because botters will never be stopped neither will gold farming. Economies will always be destroyed and there isn't much any of you can do about it, besides play and level or bot and level. Go out and farm your items and refuse to pay inflation cost, or just buy it and bitch about how much everything cost.
That's about the extent of where all this is going.
"The thing is Glider and World of Warcraft DO NOT interact with each other"
That is probably the most wrong statement in this thread.
They most certainly do and the judge indicated so in his spiel on the copywrite violation.
Sorry, if you don't understand the law, don't try interpreting it.
sorry if you do not understand how computers, programming and codes actually work.
Glider programming does not interact with the blizzards code.
That is the entire point of why glider was created. Anything that is sent to blizzard's servers would immediately be caught and flagged as an intrusion, it would be traced back and the connection terminated. Account associated with said connection banned.
What good would glider be if everytime you turned it on you got banned because it sent something to blizzards servers?
Doesn't make much sense now does it.
Truth of the matter is Glider doesn't do anything but run a script on your personal machine. I have had glider on my system, analyzed gliders code and know what glider actually does.
The judge ruled the creator of glider was infringing copyright laws by selling 3rd party software that had a connection to WoW. He was making profit from something that you had to have World of Warcraft to utilize.
It most certainly does not "interact" with WoW on a software/hardware or server capacity. Sorry.
sorry if you do not understand how computers, programming and codes actually work.
Glider programming does not interact with the blizzards code.
That is the entire point of why glider was created. Anything that is sent to blizzard's servers would immediately be caught and flagged as an intrusion, it would be traced back and the connection terminated. Account associated with said connection banned.
What good would glider be if everytime you turned it on you got banned because it sent something to blizzards servers?
Doesn't make much sense now does it.
Truth of the matter is Glider doesn't do anything but run a script on your personal machine. I have had glider on my system, analyzed gliders code and know what glider actually does.
The judge ruled the creator of glider was infringing copyright laws by selling 3rd party software that had a connection to WoW. He was making profit from something that you had to have World of Warcraft to utilize.
It most certainly does not "interact" with WoW on a software/hardware or server capacity. Sorry.
Oh most certainly I do and you don't. I know exactly how software and hardware work, been doing it far longer than you have been on this earth. Since the judge agrees with me also, pretty much makes your chatter, nonsense.
sorry if you do not understand how computers, programming and codes actually work.
Glider programming does not interact with the blizzards code.
That is the entire point of why glider was created. Anything that is sent to blizzard's servers would immediately be caught and flagged as an intrusion, it would be traced back and the connection terminated. Account associated with said connection banned.
What good would glider be if everytime you turned it on you got banned because it sent something to blizzards servers?
Doesn't make much sense now does it.
Truth of the matter is Glider doesn't do anything but run a script on your personal machine. I have had glider on my system, analyzed gliders code and know what glider actually does.
The judge ruled the creator of glider was infringing copyright laws by selling 3rd party software that had a connection to WoW. He was making profit from something that you had to have World of Warcraft to utilize.
It most certainly does not "interact" with WoW on a software/hardware or server capacity. Sorry.
Oh most certainly I do and you don't. I know exactly how software and hardware work, been doing it far longer than you have been on this earth. Since the judge agrees with me also, pretty much makes your chatter, nonsense.
You sound like you are about 13 years old, So I am pretty sure you haven't been doing anything longer than me on earth.
I usually do not carry on a debate with children so I wont bother replying to anything you have to say anymore. When someone with common sense adds something worthwhile to the issue besides,
"I been doing something longer than you been alive" or "A judge of "law" mind you knows more about what glider does and computer programming"
Then I will reply to them.
If he knew anything about computers, he would be a computer programmer not a civil court judge. Sorry you obvious attempts at trolling fails.
*edit - Also last I checked into the "copyright suit" the judge agreed with Blizzard not Ozmodan.....
"Since the judge agrees with me" - quote - Ozmodan.
Translation: I like bots, and they should let me use them, even if it's against the EULA.