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I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished.let me just stop you right there, a mmo is never finnished, what you consider a mmo finnished and what i do is different and is really only existent in the mmo world till the game dies. I would like for you to name a few games that have no cut anything, but rather then tell you it just didnt make it and was added later. I can think of a big one, its known as WoW You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. Could say you have to high standerds for this kind of industry You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games once again , your view and mine is different because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the processa bad game will not make that much money for that long , look at AOC it had a spike when it came out and that was the end of it. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.then by by, i will enjoy my game because its about fun not OMG THEY CUT THINGS AND EVERY MMO HAS DONE IT BEFORE BECAUSE ITS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE IN A DEVLOPMENT OF A GAME THAT TAKES 4+ YEARS TO ASSUME WHAT GUY A SAID AT DAY 1 STANDS TRUE AT DAY 712
I would also like to say those 4 capital cities never existed to you, you never played thus never had them, thus them not having them means you dont loose anything.
ZOMFG! THE SKY IS FALLING!
Don't like it, don't buy it when it comes out or wait and see. No one's forcing you to. I like that its 2 cities, more concentrated action with everyone at one place.
And i think thats because you and many others are desperate for an MMO right now that you're willing to put up with anything and set low standards even though they just cut major content out and now you will have to wait longer to receive it. Its harder to add in content and polish it while the game has already gone retail. I think the fortresses are a cop out, a band aid on a broken bone. Just hashing something together quickly to make up for the huge gap in their game.
all i have to say is
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished. You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.
And what would you be doing if they delayed the game until Q4 2009 or Q1 2010? My assumption is you'd be complaining about that. And we can't forget that this is a business. And you can't forget that EA does still own Mythic. Do you think that EA would just keep pouring money into this game? No, because EA doesn't care about quality. Probably what happened was EA put pressure on them for release, said, "we can't keep spending money on this, you can't delay it." Publishers ruin games all the time, and what Mythic did was take the necessary steps to make sure that EA would not permanently damage the game they have been working on long before EA bought them. And you know that this is very well something EA would say to them.
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And i think thats because you and many others are desperate for an MMO right now that you're willing to put up with anything and set low standards even though they just cut major content out and now you will have to wait longer to receive it. Its harder to add in content and polish it while the game has already gone retail. I think the fortresses are a cop out, a band aid on a broken bone. Just hashing something together quickly to make up for the huge gap in their game.
if i wanted low standers id play WOTLK CAUSE ITS ADDING SO MANY NEW THINGS RIGHT!?!?!?!?!?
Also one thing, i never understoff, for you people who wish to push it back, well you are the consumer just simply dont buy it till then kthxbye
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
Are you in Beta?
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
Well for starter, NDA and futher more NDA.
Bah this will never work
talk to me next week, I might be over my NDA issue by then.
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I look forward to the day NDA drops then so you can prove me wrong, because i wanted to play this game too so if I am wrong and it turns out to be a great great game, then i will be happy. But I am not convinced, and you all have the choice of who you choose to believe, only time will tell once the game is released. And then after its been played by the masses will the full truth be revealed, no i don't know everything but cutting out major classes and content is pretty serious. Classes being the most obvious. We will have to see.
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
If you don't like the 20 classes left then don't play. How many classes does WoW have? 9? Geez if they had a game that promised 1000 classes and they cut 10 people will still be complaining lmao.
OP is right that they're cutting four cities and four classes from launch.
OP is wrong about the effects and repercussions it has. There's pretty much five Tiers instead of four now, so how is that taking away content?
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Its utter retardedness to say that the game is incomplete, because there are 2 cities instead of 6. The game will have 2 COMPLETE cities instead of 6 INCOMPLETE cities. Same goes for the classes. I'd rather have working, well balanced classes, rather than overpowered classes. I'm not saying we will have that, but YOU have no idea. Saying the game is incomplete, because 4 (whatever that number is) classes were cut out makes no sense. You need to look up the definition of incomplete. Incomplete means not whole, or not working. It doesn't mean "things that didn't make the cut".
As to casters owning melee. Yea, that what casters do, unfortunately. Roll one, or suck it like the rest of us melee players.
I don't play WoW, and I hope i am wrong. But i don't believe that I am, so laughing at me affects me none whatsoever. I think this is nothing but a hype machine at the moment and that Mythic made a bad choice. They were on the verge of making a great game and they cheapened it.
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
If you had done any research, you would know that they werent "Capital Cities" like you find in any other game. There were not meant to be social hubs, they were never seen by characters until the end game itself.
You are wrong about how they promoted the game as well. Find me one bit of information from Mythic that said it was going to be greenskins vs dwarves, or darkelves vs highelves, and not RvR.
You make blanket comments about how specific classes are, or are not going to work, based on everything but actual facts, because you are not in CB.
You make repeated opinions disguised as "facts" about how people are going to react to the RvR combat, how people are not going to want to take out cities more than a few times ever, when you obviously dont realize the amount of effort it takes to reach the capital city... if we see more than 1 or 2 total captures on a server before end of the year, it will be a miracle... and your statement about WAR declining after 2 yrs is a bunch of crap as well.
You make claims that the combat system is broken, and unbalanced. Tell me, what proof do you have of this? Again, its obvious you are not in CB, yet you make all these statements of fact in your OP.
You make a direct statement about roleplayers never being able to meet the epic endgame boss they wanted to, when its obvious you cant know that either.
I could continue to dissemble your horribly misinformed and ignorant post, but I figure thats more than enough time wasted on you, and it, for now.
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished. You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.
Name me one MMORPG that has EVER been released that "did it right, or not at all" upon release?
Do you play any MMORPGS right now? Id be curious which games you feel are "perfect" so that you would be willing to pay for them.
Just one game, thats all I ask. One game that you feel did it "perfectly". Because if you were to truely stick to your aforementioned standards, you wouldnt be playing a single MMORPG right now...
I don't mean perfection when i say "do it right". When they come out and say this is how we are going to make our game. Three battlefronts, and 4 class archetypes to balance out the sides during the war. Then at the end they decide to cut 4 essential classes and 4 capital cities. When it comes to doing it right, here would be my definition of "doing it right", you get that content in and you do it well up to your standards, and you delay it until its done, period. That's doing it right, that has nothing to do with perfection.
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished. You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.
I've highlighted the one thing you said that is good for us. That means you won't be in game and we will all have a better gaming experience for it, and you won’t be around to flood chat.
If you are going to write a diatribe like this thread at least show your references instead of just spewing innuendo and trolling.
I look forward to the day NDA drops then so you can prove me wrong, because i wanted to play this game too so if I am wrong and it turns out to be a great great game, then i will be happy. But I am not convinced, and you all have the choice of who you choose to believe, only time will tell once the game is released. And then after its been played by the masses will the full truth be revealed, no i don't know everything but cutting out major classes and content is pretty serious. Classes being the most obvious. We will have to see.
Which is it? Your OP makes it very clear that you are certain in your mind this game is going to be horrible, and you have no intention of waiting and seeing, as you refuse to give your money to a company that is releasing a game that isnt 100% perfect.
Now you say that we will have to wait and see, which is exactly what the rest of us have been saying all along, with you arguing with us the entire way.
Dont backpeddle on us now man, that takes all the fun away.
Let's beat the dead horse once again
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Juvante, i realy don't want to sound disrespectful now but it IS true they are cutting 4 classe and 4 cities, but i realy dont think it will change the gameplay in ANY way.
First of all, they will balance the 4 other races a bit differently so they can live without tanks for most of the time. It's not like you need a tank before level 10 or 15 anyway, and by the time you ARE 10-15 there will be other tanks in your zone to play with. As for loosing a dps class... it's a dps class... does it matter? no...
And as far as the cities go, even if they NEVER add them i'm happy with the way it works now. Like they said in the podcast, the city is basicly a tier5 where all the real did comes to a conclusion. If we had 3 times as many cities then maybe we would have city siege 3 times as often, but this way you REALY have to cooperate and take 2/3 castles so you can do a siege... and that in turn brings people together and makes them cooperate more often.
So here's 2 ideas on what you can do. You can wait for 1-2 more weeks till the NDA drops and then ask the beta players if it's realy that bad as you make it sound... or solution #2, you can wait till next year and then ask me "hey, you've been playing for 10 months now... did they add the content and is the game worse or better now? and did i miss anything in those 10 months?"
So... choose
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I guess if we pretend that races will only play with their same race this would be an issue, but thats not how it is currently, theres plenty of ever race in the different zones.
Really grasping at straws now aren't they?
A true test of a developers belief in a game is when they drop the NDA.
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished.let me just stop you right there, a mmo is never finnished, what you consider a mmo finnished and what i do is different and is really only existent in the mmo world till the game dies. I would like for you to name a few games that have no cut anything, but rather then tell you it just didnt make it and was added later. I can think of a big one, its known as WoW You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. Could say you have to high standerds for this kind of industry You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games once again , your view and mine is different because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the processa bad game will not make that much money for that long , look at AOC it had a spike when it came out and that was the end of it. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.then by by, i will enjoy my game because its about fun not OMG THEY CUT THINGS AND EVERY MMO HAS DONE IT BEFORE BECAUSE ITS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE IN A DEVLOPMENT OF A GAME THAT TAKES 4+ YEARS TO ASSUME WHAT GUY A SAID AT DAY 1 STANDS TRUE AT DAY 712
I would also like to say those 4 capital cities never existed to you, you never played thus never had them, thus them not having them means you dont loose anything.
You're right i lost nothing because i choose not to pay for an unfinished game. When it comes to your reasoning behind the game never being finished. They are basing their game off of "Balance", or thats how it would seem when they made the 4 archetypes. I can understand cutting cities and dungeons, and cutting the special (insert name here) event, but classes? No. That's a game feature that should be in the game from the beginning. Obviously MMOs grow and are not static, but adding in a class at the last minute sets you up for a royal pain in the arse for fixing it up to par with the other classes and configuring it with everything in the game including tome of knowledge, quests, and everything pretty much. Theres a difference between post content, and foundational content that is SUPPOSE TO BE THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME.
Indeed, we shall see if Mythic holds up to their word on the NDA release.
It will be nice to have all these uninformed posts(on either side of the fence) get smacked down with hard data once the NDA is down.
lol
Didn't we all say this about three weeks ago?
Sent me an email if you want me to mail you some pizza rolls.