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TLDR. The classes being cut is one thing, but whining about the cities is old news and I prefer 2. I'm glad you understand that free speech is a fun thing to utilize but no matter what you say or think, Warhammer is a phenomenal game and will appeal to the masses, especially the millions of people playing WoW thinking arena is actually fun. Heh, that makes me laugh just saying it.
You say that you want them to release a game that isn't broken or unfinished, i agree with you, but what they are doing though is just that, they are missing essential classes and major endgame content. And God knows what else. I can just see the pain right now in PvP, order is going to get ripped a new one, and so are the Dark Elves. I can just hear the angry kid banging on his keyboard and throwing his monitor out the window. Lol no that isn't me, i just won't buy the game.
Then please leave the forum. I'm not sure that even I can take this anymore. You are so udderly nitpicky that you exceed even my OCDness. I can deal with slightly picky people...but those who close their eyes and refuse to see any speck of truth really make me (and I think I can speak for most others) angry. This has devolved into trolling and nothing more.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
You have it very wrong. Each side has 2 tanks. People don't just stay in one area. Play before you judge.
Lol no that isn't me, i just won't buy the game.
Then what dear Sir, is it that your still doing here? If, of course, I might be so kind as to ask...?
*please stay on topic and watch the NDA people*
Believe us people who have played the CB, WAR is done right. We can't tell you how, or why, but we'll tell you it is, and tell you to wait a week or two so we can tell you in detail. Have patience, young padawan.
Yes, all will be revealed, BUT, try playing the game for 6 months, THEN come back here and speak, THEN we'll see how great your game is after the masses play it. If it truly is great, then i will be rolling a dwarven engineer, but I'm pretty convinced that they blew it because of EA prodding them and deciding to cut important content in the hopes that people will "pay" for an unfinished product. Nope, sorry Mythic. I am not a Warhammer or a Mythic hater, i already stated that i followed this game with anticipation but I like the original plan, it was way better, and i believe they embarked in the wrong direction.
Are the missing classes essential? Who knows - you cant prove 100% they are, and others cant prove 100% they arent.
Once the NDA drops people can tell us how the races play with a different mix of classes.
As for missing end game content - the game may play better with everyone focused on one city siege rather than spread out across three. Also the cities at release will have more content than they otherwise would have as PQ's, instanced dungeons, quests have been moved from the delayed cities into the ones making release.
I'll give you 50 copper to keep this quiet
We'll be good Guardious! We promise! Atleast I do!
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Ok... correct me if i'm wrong ppl but isn't this a "I WANT MY CHERRY FLAVORED LOLLY!" post? I mean... after 50 times of telling the OP "wait till the NDA drops to see if you are right" or "try the game" posts he still says "no... the game MUST suck since they promissed one thing and delivered another"...
So either he's a troll who doesn't know he's one or he's a crybaby not willing to listen... Maybe an AoC sindrome?
All in all... OP... you can guess till you're old and gray... but you DON'T KNOW if you will even NOTICE any change in gameplay... IMHO i'll stop feeding your ignorance... and just let you "not pay and talk to yourself"
I'll rather play the game next month then wait for them for another year to finish stuff i'm not interested in...
Believe us people who have played the CB, WAR is done right. We can't tell you how, or why, but we'll tell you it is, and tell you to wait a week or two so we can tell you in detail. Have patience, young padawan.
Yes, all will be revealed, BUT, try playing the game for 6 months, THEN come back here and speak, THEN we'll see how great your game is after the masses play it. If it truly is great, then i will be rolling a dwarven engineer, but I'm pretty convinced that they blew it because of EA prodding them and deciding to cut important content in the hopes that people will "pay" for an unfinished product. Nope, sorry Mythic. I am not a Warhammer or a Mythic hater, i already stated that i followed this game with anticipation but I like the original plan, it was way better, and i believe they embarked in the wrong direction.
In 6 months...we'll have those 4 cities and classes back.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
You say that you want them to release a game that isn't broken or unfinished, i agree with you, but what they are doing though is just that, they are missing essential classes and major endgame content. And God knows what else. I can just see the pain right now in PvP, order is going to get ripped a new one, and so are the Dark Elves. I can just hear the angry kid banging on his keyboard and throwing his monitor out the window. Lol no that isn't me, i just won't buy the game.
So what will it accomplish to continue arguing with people on this thread. You've obviously convinced yourself that you don't want to play the game. So don't play, I'm sure most of the people here wont miss your presence there.
Alot of us have much more information on the state of this game than you do, and it's no use trying to goad people into breaking NDA just to prove you wrong. If you can't wait till NDA is lifted that your problem, not ours.
All I'm entitled to tell you right now is, that there is currently an ongoing phase of beta, and that I am currently participating in said phase.
Sorry wrong. And you played all these classes to know they were essential?
Don't judge a game until you play it. And I'm not just saying that, many people have played it, and do not feel the way you do. This I get from other forums, that are not so picky about NDAs.
It is essential when you base your entire game off a rock, paper and scissors formula and then decide to cut them out. Again i also said that i know not everyone is going to agree with me, and just because a small number of beta testers like the game, doesn't mean the masses will. We are all different but we are also very similar as well. And some things that i like, others like, some things that i dislike others dislike. We are different and yet the same but in variable degrees.
People might think i set my standards too high, but considering how the MMO industry has been doing lately i think a high standard needs to take root. I refuse to buy into the hype like AoC, and i refuse to play a game that cuts out , yes, essential classes which are part of the formula that they talked about in their podcasts. No guarantee they will add them in later. Warrior Priest tank? Please!!!!
I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished.let me just stop you right there, a mmo is never finnished, what you consider a mmo finnished and what i do is different and is really only existent in the mmo world till the game dies. I would like for you to name a few games that have no cut anything, but rather then tell you it just didnt make it and was added later. I can think of a big one, its known as WoW You either do it right or not at all. For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards. Could say you have to high standerds for this kind of industry You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games once again , your view and mine is different because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the processa bad game will not make that much money for that long , look at AOC it had a spike when it came out and that was the end of it. And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.
When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again. I don't care, release the game right, or not at all. I will not pay for a game that is not done.then by by, i will enjoy my game because its about fun not OMG THEY CUT THINGS AND EVERY MMO HAS DONE IT BEFORE BECAUSE ITS COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE IN A DEVLOPMENT OF A GAME THAT TAKES 4+ YEARS TO ASSUME WHAT GUY A SAID AT DAY 1 STANDS TRUE AT DAY 712
I would also like to say those 4 capital cities never existed to you, you never played thus never had them, thus them not having them means you dont loose anything.
You're right i lost nothing because i choose not to pay for an unfinished game. When it comes to your reasoning behind the game never being finished. They are basing their game off of "Balance", or thats how it would seem when they made the 4 archetypes. I can understand cutting cities and dungeons, and cutting the special (insert name here) event, but classes? No. That's a game feature that should be in the game from the beginning. Obviously MMOs grow and are not static, but adding in a class at the last minute sets you up for a royal pain in the arse for fixing it up to par with the other classes and configuring it with everything in the game including tome of knowledge, quests, and everything pretty much. Theres a difference between post content, and foundational content that is SUPPOSE TO BE THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME.
The point is, is that if Mythic had never released any information about these cities, and then when they released the game it said "there are two capital cities: one for each faction" you would not know the difference. sure, you may wish they had a city for each race, but you would never even know that it was in the original plans. And it would stll be just as "finished" in your eyes.
They painted the picture of three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities, END OF STORY. So what brought me to the game as a consumer,
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities
NOT....1battlefront, because in my opinion i consider a battlefront where two factions have capital cities and theres a line going up and down. Theres only 1, period.
NOT 20 classes, missing two tanks and two melee DPSs
NOT 2 capital cities
three battlefronts, 24 classes and 6 capital cities thats what brought me to the game, the fact that the game's vision was ambitious and had variety and HUGE replay value, priceless. No, they settled for the easy path and did 1 battlefront, 20 classes with 4 gaping holes and 2 capital cities. And took untested fortresses and slapped them down as a 5th tier using super glue.
1. Why do you keep saying things are untested when you obviously have no knowledge what is being tested? You are spouting out nonsense now.
2. There is not only 1 battlefield, by any stretch of the imagination.You are wrong. Period. There are still 3 battlefields, and if you think capital city sieging was going to be a weekly event or something, you are dead wrong. Open world RvR, Scenerios, ect.. are still happening on 3 completely different battlefields. If you stick to just Emp/Choas, you are going not going to be experiencing any of the other battles/scenerios/Open world RvR action.
3. People from CB and the devs have stated over and over that the balancing issues believed to be cuased by the 4 class cut is overblown, and are far from "gaping holes" as you put it. If you are too hard-headed to acknowledge the information given to you, you are completely helpless. You keep saying you have done research, but it is becoming more obvious by every post you make that you have not.
4. You are simply repeating yourself over and over again with your hands over your eyes. You are flip-flopping from a "omg this game is gonna suck and is unbalanced/unfinished" to "well i hope ur right ill wait and see" in practically every post. This is getting really sad.
The OP doesnt need an NDA lift to reveal that he is clueless. Anyone that has taken a discerning look at the myriad sources of WAR info can recognize his flawed reasoning. I only wish, that he would take a look at some of that same material, or even a few of the more articulate, not to mention impassioned replies that he has generated here. Please OP, leave the poor horse be and hang it up already.
This is entirely correct, you can not determine if a game is finished or not until the game is released, if it is released with crappy content (as it would have been if there were no cuts) then it would be unfinished, but they have decided to only release the finished content
you could interperet this in 1 of 2 ways: 1) the game is finished if ALL of the content is implemented and finished, in which case the game will always be adding content so it will NEVER be finished or. 2) the game is finished when the content THAT is implemented is finished, in which case the cuts support the fact the at the game will be finished, but we'll wait and see.....
and THEY CANNNOT delay the game any longer, it has been delayed enough...read the post about publishers and EA
I can't count the number of times I have read in interviews or posts from developers how much content from a game is cut, or how many games are not released even after years of development. This is a normal and vital part of the industry, otherwise we would have a whole lot of crap on the market and in our games. Unfortunately, the times people are upset about it is when the company has been openly communicated with the costumers about what they hoped to have in the game.
Hoped? That is reserved for "Special" and WOW WOW features, not basic fundamental features of the game, like ARCHETYPES. Sorry, when it comes to fundamental stuff, hope just doesn't cut it.
Okay Guardious...I think you can lock and delete this thread now
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
This is entirely correct, you can not determine if a game is finished or not until the game is released, if it is released with crappy content (as it would have been if there were no cuts) then it would be unfinished, but they have decided to only release the finished content
you could interperet this in 1 of 2 ways: 1) the game is finished if ALL of the content is implemented and finished, in which case the game will always be adding content so it will NEVER be finished or. 2) the game is finished when the content THAT is implemented is finished, in which case the cuts support the fact the at the game will be finished, but we'll wait and see.....
and THEY CANNNOT delay the game any longer, it has been delayed enough...read the post about publishers and EA
I can't count the number of times I have read in interviews or posts from developers how much content from a game is cut, or how many games are not released even after years of development. This is a normal and vital part of the industry, otherwise we would have a whole lot of crap on the market and in our games. Unfortunately, the times people are upset about it is when the company has been openly communicated with the costumers about what they hoped to have in the game.
Hoped? That is reserved for "Special" and WOW WOW features, not basic fundamental features of the game, like ARCHETYPES. Sorry, when it comes to fundamental stuff, hope just doesn't cut it.
O Sweet Jesus. I don't think any of us want to explain this to you anymore.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Well I just have to say I hope you are going Destruction pref Chaos and just do the Chaos battlefront while we in order steam roll Dark Elf and Greenskin and open the Chaos cities from those battlefronts. What? you mean you have not seen the new podcast explaining you have to control 2 of the 3 battlefronts to open the city seige so it won't be just one battlefront over and over and over? oh....
I saw the new podcast, but its going along with what i was saying. Those 4 capital cities don't exist and the four classes are gone, its just about the order and chaos battlefront now. So yes you have to take those fortresses in the other zones but its narrowed down, which i don't think they should have done and it wasn't the picture they painted months ago to us. They drop the ball on us at the last second.
Troll, just a troll...
Presented with proof from a dev podcast that his assumpsion is wrong, he still clings and insist his assumpsion is true and continues to argue that its still just one and only really one battleground to fight over. Ignoring the fact it's now a realm city and not just a racial city. If he actually watched the podcast he would admit the one and only one battleground assumsion is wrong. The podcast clearly shows all 3 battlefront is still there and you have to fight over and win 2 of the 3 to open a city. If anything there is more needed to capture a capital city now than before. Meaning more battles, more RvR, more WAAAAARG!! You have to win 2 battlefront now instade of just one racial battlefront.
He dismiss the capture of the fortess as minor when from the pod cast to capture a fortess you need to control all four tiers in that battlefront (i.e. same as capturing a single city if there were 6). But to him that is minor and trivial because only the empire/chaos battlefront is all there is. Willfull blindness and ignorance.
The OP is just a troll and not really wanting enlightment as proven by being presented by correct information he ignores it and insist his OP is "the one true interperation".
And with that I am out of this thread and taking my bread crumbs home and nolonger feeding the troll
The original plan and vision they had was better, 6 capital cities, giving each player his own capital city pride. Not 2 capital cities and untested Fortresses that you have to claim to open up the city, that could have been added in a patch or later on in an expansion or whatever, if you wanted a 5th tier, the original plan was way better.
"I refuse to buy into the hype like AoC"
Did I call it or did I call it? We have all been there, hurt by the ones we love. It will get better in time. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Sorry wrong. And you played all these classes to know they were essential?
Don't judge a game until you play it. And I'm not just saying that, many people have played it, and do not feel the way you do. This I get from other forums, that are not so picky about NDAs.
It is essential when you base your entire game off a rock, paper and scissors formula and then decide to cut them out. Again i also said that i know not everyone is going to agree with me, and just because a small number of beta testers like the game, doesn't mean the masses will. We are all different but we are also very similar as well. And some things that i like, others like, some things that i dislike others dislike. We are different and yet the same but in variable degrees.
People might think i set my standards too high, but considering how the MMO industry has been doing lately i think a high standard needs to take root. I refuse to buy into the hype like AoC, and i refuse to play a game that cuts out , yes, essential classes which are part of the formula that they talked about in their podcasts. No guarantee they will add them in later. Warrior Priest tank? Please!!!!
Everything you are saying is based on assumptions. You have no idea if these classes were ever implemented in the first place, you have no idea if any of these classes ever saw the light of day in closed beta. I cannot say more due to the NDA, but you are assuming far too much. To call these classes essential while admitting you have never touched the game, nor do you have knowledge if these classes were even part of the greater formula Mythic was using, is far beyond ignorant. To put it plainy, it's simply stupidity.
You have no knowledge what the formula Mythic has been using in their development process, yet you call 4 classes that they decided to cut essential to the greater WAR. Are you really claiming to know more than the devs of the game? You are truly reaching now.
Well I just have to say I hope you are going Destruction pref Chaos and just do the Chaos battlefront while we in order steam roll Dark Elf and Greenskin and open the Chaos cities from those battlefronts. What? you mean you have not seen the new podcast explaining you have to control 2 of the 3 battlefronts to open the city seige so it won't be just one battlefront over and over and over? oh....
I saw the new podcast, but its going along with what i was saying. Those 4 capital cities don't exist and the four classes are gone, its just about the order and chaos battlefront now. So yes you have to take those fortresses in the other zones but its narrowed down, which i don't think they should have done and it wasn't the picture they painted months ago to us. They drop the ball on us at the last second.
Troll, just a troll...
Presented with proof from a dev podcast that his assumpsion is wrong, he still clings and insist his assumpsion is true and continues to argue that its still just one and only really one battleground to fight over. Ignoring the fact it's now a realm city and not just a racial city. If he actually watched the podcast he would admit the one and only one battleground assumsion is wrong. The podcast clearly shows all 3 battlefront is still there and you have to fight over and win 2 of the 3 to open a city. If anything there is more needed to capture a capital city now than before. Meaning more battles, more RvR, more WAAAAARG!! You have to win 2 battlefront now instade of just one racial battlefront.
He dismiss the capture of the fortess as minor when from the pod cast to capture a fortess you need to control all four tiers in that battlefront (i.e. same as capturing a single city if there were 6). But to him that is minor and trivial because only the empire/chaos battlefront is all there is. Willfull blindness and ignorance.
The OP is just a troll and not really wanting enlightment as proven by being presented by correct information he ignores it and insist his OP is "the one true interperation".
And with that I am out of this thread and taking my bread crumbs home and nolonger feeding the troll
The original plan and vision they had was better, 6 capital cities, giving each player his own capital city pride. Not 2 capital cities and untested Fortresses that you have to claim to open up the city, that could have been added in a patch or later on in an expansion or whatever, if you wanted a 5th tier, the original plan was way better.
What in God's holy name leads you to believe that the fortresses are untested?
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
They were given time, two delays to be exact, and they still couldn't get it done. No we don't need to have an ocean of bugs, nobody wants that, but there's also no reason to release an unfinished game either
The original plan and vision they had was better, 6 capital cities, giving each player his own capital city pride. Not 2 capital cities and untested Fortresses that you have to claim to open up the city, that could have been added in a patch or later on in an expansion or whatever, if you wanted a 5th tier, the original plan was way better.
IMHO.. you forget IMHO... and IMHO the new plan is way better
They were given time, two delays to be exact, and they still couldn't get it done. No we don't need to have an ocean of bugs, nobody wants that, but there's also no reason to release an unfinished game either
Ocean of bugs? Unfinished game? Where are your sources? Where are your facts? You are basing your opinion on the developers original vision. Guess what, a vision doesn't always equate into reality. People who live in the real world make descisions based on the way things are not as we would have them. Maybe when you move out of your mother's basement you'll learn this adult concept.
You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.
But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.
Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right? They are cutting 4 classes, you agree? What am i wrong about?
Are you in Beta?
Hearing that 4 classes are being cut and 4 capital cities which were very much anticipated by a lot of people including myself, you don't need to be in beta to realize that there is something very wrong with that. But no I am not in beta. They gave us Podcasts to tell us what they were doing, so we get an overview of what is happening. The original plan was way better and not the one they are doing now. They have cut out essential classes and unbalanced the game and they force people to alter their playstyles and continue to pay for it. Nope. By the time they get all that in, IF THEY EVER, a better MMO will be out.
If you were in beta you'd be singing a different tune. The fact is you DO have to be in beta to know how much has changed, and you also are assuming in your OP that the game is rushed..... If you listen to anyone in beta, or read any review you'll know that they have all said that this is the most polished game they've seen pre-release.
If a game is the most polished game they've seen prerelease and there's still a month before launch, can you really say it's rushed and unfinished?
The fact is that you're missing things that were never there to begin with.
The beta testers never saw the other 4 cities, therefore they weren't there, they only briefly played 2 of the four missing classes and never played the other two, so 2 of the classes that are missing now were never there.
If you knew all of the things that got cut before release from single player games your head would spin. The fact is, you're complaining about something you've never seen, and arguing that something should be there based on zero facts, only conjecture based on what's drawn on paper.
We all know from AoC that things that seem like great ideas aren't necessarily great ones in practice.
I will really take your word for it and the review, oh yes, I'll just buy into the hype, its the most "polished game ever", sure, more marketing hype. NO.
Theres a difference between cutting your favorite dungeon that you made, or cutting out that cute little monster, or cutting out that particular quest, and then theres a HUGE DIFFERENCE of cutting out a fundamental part of the game, 4 archetypes for every race, but they decided to cut it out because they gave up. In my opinion they will have a weaker game because of it. Yea, we'll see after months of RvR and not having those classes. In fact, don't ever expect to see them ever or even the capital cities. They will just hope that the player base will be too distracted to care and keep paying monthly. Dronning on the same battlefront over and over between chaos and order. And i consider a battlefront one where you fight in a line between two living capital cities, not for a fortress on 5th tier.