Give Hydrakana a prize thats an awesome abridged version of the garbage that is AoC.
I consider that the brief version of it, the list and comparisons are so extensive, it would take the combined fanboyism of Protus_AoC and Amazing Avery to not see the truth in it.
Give Hydrakana a prize thats an awesome abridged version of the garbage that is AoC.
I consider that the brief version of it, the list and comparisons are so extensive, it would take the combined fanboyism of Protus_AoC and Amazing Avery to not see the truth in it.
It's not about seeing the truth in it , What matters is if it ruins the experience for you . That's the issue none of you seem to get .For most including me it does , But that doesn't make your view or mine any more correct than those it doesn't bother.There's no reason or excuse to argue over why you dislike or tolerate a game, State your opinion and leave it at that, There's no opinion being spread here that is any more substantial than another . None of this puts you at a higher moral standard than the next guy , So no need to be breaking out the soapboxes every time you don't agree with another persons opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
All those points I listed are fact and if people don't like it tough, there is no arguing concrete facts like that, it just shows people up for what they are and I'm here to watch it unfold.
When someone (mixie) openly tries to call me out by saying I wont list what was missing or broken, implying I'm full of shit, I will get on a soapbox, list the facts they seemed to have missed and blast them back into place.
Very smart well thought out post and 100% correct. Well done OP.
What's wrong with you people?
Name me any other industry that releasing a product 1/2 completed for full price, and full price subscriptions is acceptable?
Where are drunken brawls? Where is DX10? Where are the great sieges we were told about? Where is a fully-functional PvP? Why are there SO many bugs? Why wasn't this game tested better?
You give props to a forum poster that basically excuses this mess of a product. This is a PRODUCT. People are paying REAL money for this product. With that comes an expectation that the product will provide the features that it promises in advertising and promotion.
It is up to Funcom to better test their games before release. It is up to Funcom to make sure the features they promise are present in the games they sell.
Age of Conan is nothing more than a PAID BETA. That isn't even legal. They are using subscription money to finish the content of the game they promised at release.
The MMO industry is somewhat young, and it really hasn't been governed like traditional industries. That is the ONLY reason this crap has been allowed to happen. Imagine Toyota selling you a car. A lot of the features they told you the car was going to have simply were not there. You paid full price for a 1/2 completed car. THEN, with the money the made off your payments they completed the car in 6 months to a year...
That is what Funcom is doing. It's the very same thing SOE has been doing with a number of their games, a la Vanguard, SWG, PotBS, and others. It isn't ethical, it isn't right, and it isn't even legal. Still it goes on because the government has yet to tap into this market. It's absurd that someone would defend this behavior.
Funcom there together a game, didn't finish it, sold it for full price, misled ALL of us about the features, didn't properly test the game, and have been charging full price subscriptions to the customers since day 1. It's absolutely a joke that someone would come on here and defend that.
I have been playing AoC since d-day. I have a level 80 and a few lower level chars. Every where you go from funcoms forums to here you find nothing but hate post and how muich this gmae sucks and i can easly say now that around about 60% of those post are by people who havnt even played the game.
My thanks is becaue you have given a good sound review for this game you pointed out the bad this and the good things which a few of us have been trynig to do since day one.
The high end level stuff people keep bitching about the most is one thing that makes me life. Theres currently a hand full of level 80 instance which i enjoy doing. People need to remember this game has been out for months not years, and while every one would like to jump into a gmae with as much end game content as say wow, which if you all think about it took a few years to get where it is then i think your asking for a mircle. I played msot games since release and YES AOC has problems buts its a good sound game with many possible outcomes, and in my eyes think can only get better,
AoC is bloody good fun, and like me and my group have said on many a forum if you dont like the game stop playing it and stop putting time and effort into a stupid task of letting every one know.
Just because some of you are easily amused in a game doesn't mean the rest of us should sit by and let these companies release unfinished and broken products.
If we all sat back and took it all the time then we would never get change. Funcom did the consumer wrong here. They deserve the backlash. Perhaps a severe backlash will keep the next company from making the same mistake.
I am glad people who play this game let others know how broken it is. Without these voices unethical companies would always get away with it and the industry would stay in the rut it is currently in.
So while some of you willingly take it, a great number of us want change in the way these companies do business. So we will continue to fight on your behalf, and MAYBE someday, we will get a game that is actually good, finished, polished, and worth the cost of retail and a months subscription.
I have been playing AoC since d-day. I have a level 80 and a few lower level chars. Every where you go from funcoms forums to here you find nothing but hate post and how muich this gmae sucks and i can easly say now that around about 60% of those post are by people who havnt even played the game. My thanks is becaue you have given a good sound review for this game you pointed out the bad this and the good things which a few of us have been trynig to do since day one. The high end level stuff people keep bitching about the most is one thing that makes me life. Theres currently a hand full of level 80 instance which i enjoy doing. People need to remember this game has been out for months not years, and while every one would like to jump into a gmae with as much end game content as say wow, which if you all think about it took a few years to get where it is then i think your asking for a mircle. I played msot games since release and YES AOC has problems buts its a good sound game with many possible outcomes, and in my eyes think can only get better,
AoC is bloody good fun, and like me and my group have said on many a forum if you dont like the game stop playing it and stop putting time and effort into a stupid task of letting every one know.
You almost sound pcpp in nature
Don't worry fellow realists, all our efforts are being heard in the industry, mythic came out way in advance and said they cut major content purely because of what they saw happen with AoC. Its one step in the right direction.
Just because some of you are easily amused in a game doesn't mean the rest of us should sit by and let these companies release unfinished and broken products.
Back up , This is spot on however it works both ways. Just as you have every right to voice your anger about this issue , Those who play have every right to do just that ( play ), they also have a right to enjoy every second of it (if they do). You act as though being "easily Amused " is a bad thing. There are two types of people in this world , those who view the glass as Half empty , And those who view it as half full.There's a reason you learn about these two personality types in pre-k. It's a lesson on respect and tolerance.
By offering your vocal opinion about this issue , You are telling companies you will not accept it .Those playing these games are sending a different message, Which is equally as important. They are offering information on the type of gameplay , Environment, Lore, combat and Genre they prefer. In order for games to evolve this information is vital, Equally vital.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Just because some of you are easily amused in a game doesn't mean the rest of us should sit by and let these companies release unfinished and broken products.
Back up , This is spot on however it works both ways. Just as you have every right to voice your anger about this issue , Those who play have every right to do just that ( play ), they also have a right to enjoy every second of it (if they do). You act as though being "easily Amused " is a bad thing. There are two types of people in this world , those who view the glass as Half empty , And those who view it as half full.There's a reason you learn about these two personality types in pre-k. It's a lesson on respect and tolerance.
By offering your vocal opinion about this issue , You are telling companies you will not accept it .Those playing these games are sending a different message, Which is equally as important. They are offering information on the type of gameplay , Environment, Lore, combat and Genre they prefer. In order for games to evolve this information is vital, Equally vital.
Wow, you almost pulled it off. While your statement seems logical, in fact it isn't. Those playing and sending their message about being defeatists and accepting the status quo is not equally important to our message. The political correctness rubbish doesn't sit well with me as I don't view all as being equal purely cause it isn't true. Game evolution does not need any input at all from mediocre gamers.
These are the people destroying our industry . They can sit there all they like and say the genuinely enjoy this game, but then I question their caliber as gamers. Simple.
Just because some of you are easily amused in a game doesn't mean the rest of us should sit by and let these companies release unfinished and broken products.
Back up , This is spot on however it works both ways. Just as you have every right to voice your anger about this issue , Those who play have every right to do just that ( play ), they also have a right to enjoy every second of it (if they do). You act as though being "easily Amused " is a bad thing. There are two types of people in this world , those who view the glass as Half empty , And those who view it as half full.There's a reason you learn about these two personality types in pre-k. It's a lesson on respect and tolerance.
By offering your vocal opinion about this issue , You are telling companies you will not accept it .Those playing these games are sending a different message, Which is equally as important. They are offering information on the type of gameplay , Environment, Lore, combat and Genre they prefer. In order for games to evolve this information is vital, Equally vital.
Wow, you almost pulled it off. While your statement seems logical, in fact it isn't. Those playing and sending their message about being defeatists and accepting the status quo is not equally important to our message. The political correctness rubbish doesn't sit well with me as I don't view all as being equal purely cause it isn't true. Game evolution does not need any input at all from mediocre gamers.
These are the people destroying our industry . They can sit there all they like and say the genuinely enjoy this game, but then I question their caliber as gamers. Simple.
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree , As for it being a fact , I'd have to go with my opinion considering I was a market researcher for quite sometime . My job was to collect data such as this , That data was then used as a reference to guide the development of new products or business models.It's a fairly simple procedure and common practice everywhere .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That data was then used as a reference to guide the development of new products or business models.It's a fairly simple procedure and common practice everywhere .
This is one reason why (far too many) MMOs being released follow a fairly straight-and-narrow, safe and common formula.
Now, there's this ...thing... with all of this: people oft times don't know what they truly want, but they will follow what is popular. And, just because something is popular (i.e.: WoW, Britney Spears, McDonalds), does not mean its "good" (however one should choose to define that ultimately). Following the information gleaned from mass marketing research ensures that the mass marketed herd is catered to, most surely.
Once the Corporate Big Boys get wind of what is popular with Other Games, then you've lost a fighting chance to truly develop Something Different--the potential for making new creative games based on (mass) market research is, sadly, about slim-to-none.
That data was then used as a reference to guide the development of new products or business models.It's a fairly simple procedure and common practice everywhere .
This is one reason why (far too many) MMOs being released follow a fairly straight-and-narrow, safe and common formula.
Now, there's this ...thing... with all of this: people oft times don't know what they truly want, but they will follow what is popular. And, just because something is popular (i.e.: WoW, Britney Spears, McDonalds), does not mean its "good" (however one should choose to define that ultimately). Following the information gleaned from mass marketing research ensures that the mass marketed herd is catered to, most surely.
Once the Corporate Big Boys get wind of what is popular with Other Games, then you've lost a fighting chance to truly develop Something Different--the potential for making new creative games based on (mass) market research is, sadly, about slim-to-none.
You're forgetting games like Eve online picking up steam in recent years , Also the outcry for sandbox mmo's like UO, AC and SWG . Let's not forget I said all information gathered , that includes forums and active hot topics . Market research isn't only about what you like it's also about what you don't like.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'll have to add : You don't always have to look to the corporate big boys , when looking for games . Indie developers are your best bet when looking for a game that suits you. They cater to niches, Corporations cater to masses.
Indie developers are also more likely to innovate and take risks, Corporations on the other hand always try and play safe. That may change , You never know . Lately even the safe hasn't been panning out so well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
AOC has failed in so many ways that it actualy hurts me just to remember all the frustrations I had while I played this game .While I was in beta we played preety much the same thing like it was on release no one didnt even had a chance to test siege and they sayd :"why do u worry it all will be in official client this is just a beta" and few days l8r they launch a game and my worst fears came to life unpolished game ,bugged,unfinished game that had no end game content,classes so bupoorly done that 3/4 of skills didnt even worked ,didnt got animations ,efects etc.....the list is huge ok any game got a rough start but they put unfinished beta on market and hoped to get away with it they deserved every litlle h8 mail that came to them.I played few characters in AOC Dark Templar ,Necro and Conqueror .Dark Templars feat tree(talent tree) didnt worked a bit ,spells didnt hawe animations ,efects your spells trigered were not shown on mobs or in pvp most of the time didnt know does my stance works and it was pointleess to switch stances cause u newer new are u actualy in one.Necro minnions are useless u got 15 minnions that wont even atak a target u mark and when they do mob just ignores them and atak u instead from ower a half of the screen in low lvls this isnt a big deal but l8r it`s pain in the but not to mention that they will just stand next to u while u get hammered by 2-3 mobs of your lvl not to mention that each time u go in new area u got to summon them all ower again,with comq I quited nice class greatly imagined just so poorly done dual wield was pointless so most of te peps used 2hdrs yet as was imagined more like"good for party"class hoped to be l8 bloomer but then again your war cryes didnt worked most of the time didnt know are they work even cause I didnt c any improwment with ot without them not to mention godlike rangers that can pwn preety much any class with a single or maybe 2 shots while whole comunity hoped that they will get nrefed they even make them stronger and rom day one of launch game still got most of bugs they had in beta etc etc Funcom wrealy deserved what happened to them this game is just a xcuse for unfinished beta and sadly as things mowe on it will be that for a very long time
How the hell can you be so frustrated over a game? Serious get a grip or get laid or whatever. There are people still enjoying this game and crying about the same thing over and over again will not do anyone any good, only outcome it will make you even more depressed.
How the hell can you be so frustrated over a game? Serious get a grip or get laid or whatever. There are people still enjoying this game and crying about the same thing over and over again will not do anyone any good, only outcome it will make you even more depressed.
In all fairness it has kept a few of my friends from playing AoC, who then asked how it was. I said it felt unfinished, but told them they might like the game even if I did not and offered them buddy keys (Bought CE, well at least the artbook was good). However, they refused as they were not keen on downloading 25+ GBs, plus one at least said since we had similar taste in games, he did not bother and went back to WoW as a filler.
And just a game? It all depends on how much you play and how much interest one has. Some of those whining all the time should IMO tone it down, but my impression is that most anti-AoCers are actually those people who looked forward to AoC a lot and felt cheated and lied to. No matter the context, it's still a bad feeling. I felt lied to yes, but then again neither was I surprised so I basically just shrugged and said "No more Funcom products for me to pre-order then". My reason for quitting was that the game simply felt unfinished.
How the hell can you be so frustrated over a game? Serious get a grip or get laid or whatever. There are people still enjoying this game and crying about the same thing over and over again will not do anyone any good, only outcome it will make you even more depressed.
In all fairness it has kept a few of my friends from playing AoC, who then asked how it was. I said it felt unfinished, but told them they might like the game even if I did not and offered them buddy keys (Bought CE, well at least the artbook was good). However, they refused as they were not keen on downloading 25+ GBs, plus one at least said since we had similar taste in games, he did not bother and went back to WoW as a filler.
And just a game? It all depends on how much you play and how much interest one has. Some of those whining all the time should IMO tone it down, but my impression is that most anti-AoCers are actually those people who looked forward to AoC a lot and felt cheated and lied to. No matter the context, it's still a bad feeling. I felt lied to yes, but then again neither was I surprised so I basically just shrugged and said "No more Funcom products for me to pre-order then". My reason for quitting was that the game simply felt unfinished.
Well I do play alot and have a huge interest in mmo's but I dont cry everytime I buy a game and it was not what I expected it would be. Moo's are nearly never released 100% finished not even close so why are people suprised by this? Is this the first time this has happend?
It's ok to be angry, even more telling them we where lied to... But where the hell does it stop? lol.
I can understand if someone feels bad if he just found out his best friend had sex with your gf.. but even then I will let it go after a while.. Stop living in the past and quit the game go play WAR when its released and do exactly the same thing you have done here as that game will suck to with all the Hype.
People really get stress over this, some will die with some heart attack. Lookout guys.
Hehe, it's so funny to read some of those posts. I agree with OP, have been playing since day one and loving it. True not so much content at lvl 80, i decided to give a go at another class that i also wanted to try out, and guess what? I am loving the game even more, things are much better after those weeks.. The game is getting polished from the ground up, has i think it must be done.
I have never experienced any crazy crashs and memory leaks as some ppl, and yes i do have an high end pc, but it seems it doesn't matters, so maybe i am a lucky guy! The important is that i am enjoying the money i am spending.
Hehe, now i will probably have some fun reading at all the haters here, calling me fanboi and that i must be crazy, and whatever.. I am glad that i am using my money and have to give no explanations to them
Sure, you don't have to explain why you are using your money, and no one is asking you to. Like I said, people like you will take anything served to them. People like some of us will fight for better games and better quality.
People like you hold the genre back. People like us make companies like Funcom and SOE rethink the way they treat their customers because we hit them where it matters, in their profit. By the way, we are much more vocal and much more tenacious then you players who take it.
I still play for the PVP. Last night in Kheshatta saw 6-7 guilds with teams running around PVPing. Even a few running full raid groups. Alot of people left the game but it still feels active on Deathwhisper.
I would really like the defenders of this game to put as much logical thought and presentation into their posts as the "haters"
The defenders simply say stuff like "oh I'm having fun" - yes at level 35, the game is fun, if you play the game 1 hour a week or something yes it's fun, if you have no idea about other MMOs and think it's ok for a MMO to have basic stats that don't work, yes it's fun
Most of the fanboys sound to me like if you gave them Pong with pretty graphics, they'd call it a successful MMO launch.
Stop being such terrified amateurs and look at the game properly - as a discerning customer and not some fresh-faced newbie who is tasting his first glass of wine and proclaiming it to be excellent despite it being a bottom shelf box of table juice from Argentina.
Answer a couple of these actual, listed problems with the game:
* Broken Quests
* Broken feats
* Inventory bugs
* Mount Bugs
* Broken trade skills
* Broken guild city features
* Broken class skills
* World geometry holes ( I know of 4 off the top of my head)
* Buggy client
* Broken grouping mechanics
* Lack of in game raid administration
* Server lock down bugs
* Missing promised DirectX support
* Missing promised PVP features
* Missing promised mature content
* Missing promised social features
* Lack of Game Balance
* Weak fast movement net code
* Lots of /leaving visibility
* Missing promised raid content
* No protection against exploiters
* No protection against spammers
* No protection against griefers
* Hostile and unfriendly player base (though not funcom's fault)
* Hidden / clouded game mechanics: ie: stats formulas?
* Lack of community communication: Feature planning
* Lack of community communication: Priorities
* Lack of community communication: Stealth patch changes
* Lack of community communication: Class balance issues
* Worst in game / GM support seen to date in my opinion
* Broken or impossible to enter mini games
* Lack of basic UI chat features
* Broken Arena
* Broken vendors
* Broken traders
* No siege options
* Lack of itemization
* Shady billing process
* No policy for reimbursement of unschedule server downtimes
Sure, you don't have to explain why you are using your money, and no one is asking you to. Like I said, people like you will take anything served to them. People like some of us will fight for better games and better quality. People like you hold the genre back. People like us make companies like Funcom and SOE rethink the way they treat their customers because we hit them where it matters, in their profit. By the way, we are much more vocal and much more tenacious then you players who take it.
Hehe, funny guy? I wonder who specificaly asked you to fight for us, and whatever you say is better quality. Please speak for yourself and leave others alone. There are people who agree and those that don't.. Bare with that. You and no one else is the savior of anything, your idea of perfect and fun, is most probably not, and will never be the one of many people outhere like me.
You have problems, too bad for you.. Just don't hope that because you have problems with something and i don't join your hate crusade.
Stop trying being the almight salvior that i never asked for, and i will leave your crusade alone
I would really like the defenders of this game to put as much logical thought and presentation into their posts as the "haters" The defenders simply say stuff like "oh I'm having fun" - yes at level 35, the game is fun, if you play the game 1 hour a week or something yes it's fun, if you have no idea about other MMOs and think it's ok for a MMO to have basic stats that don't work, yes it's fun Most of the fanboys sound to me like if you gave them Pong with pretty graphics, they'd call it a successful MMO launch.
Stop being such terrified amateurs and look at the game properly - as a discerning customer and not some fresh-faced newbie who is tasting his first glass of wine and proclaiming it to be excellent despite it being a bottom shelf box of table juice from Argentina. Answer a couple of these actual, listed problems with the game:
* Broken Quests
* Broken feats
* Inventory bugs
* Mount Bugs
* Broken trade skills
* Broken guild city features
* Broken class skills
* World geometry holes ( I know of 4 off the top of my head)
* Buggy client
* Broken grouping mechanics
* Lack of in game raid administration
* Server lock down bugs
* Missing promised DirectX support
* Missing promised PVP features
* Missing promised mature content
* Missing promised social features
* Lack of Game Balance
* Weak fast movement net code
* Lots of /leaving visibility
* Missing promised raid content
* No protection against exploiters
* No protection against spammers
* No protection against griefers
* Hostile and unfriendly player base (though not funcom's fault)
* Hidden / clouded game mechanics: ie: stats formulas?
* Lack of community communication: Feature planning
* Lack of community communication: Priorities
* Lack of community communication: Stealth patch changes
* Lack of community communication: Class balance issues
* Worst in game / GM support seen to date in my opinion
* Broken or impossible to enter mini games
* Lack of basic UI chat features
* Broken Arena
* Broken vendors
* Broken traders
* No siege options
* Lack of itemization
* Shady billing process
* No policy for reimbursement of unschedule server downtimes
Fantastic post. Should be stickied to warn all newcomers!
Comments
Give Hydrakana a prize thats an awesome abridged version of the garbage that is AoC.
I consider that the brief version of it, the list and comparisons are so extensive, it would take the combined fanboyism of Protus_AoC and Amazing Avery to not see the truth in it.
I consider that the brief version of it, the list and comparisons are so extensive, it would take the combined fanboyism of Protus_AoC and Amazing Avery to not see the truth in it.
It's not about seeing the truth in it , What matters is if it ruins the experience for you . That's the issue none of you seem to get .For most including me it does , But that doesn't make your view or mine any more correct than those it doesn't bother.There's no reason or excuse to argue over why you dislike or tolerate a game, State your opinion and leave it at that, There's no opinion being spread here that is any more substantial than another . None of this puts you at a higher moral standard than the next guy , So no need to be breaking out the soapboxes every time you don't agree with another persons opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
All those points I listed are fact and if people don't like it tough, there is no arguing concrete facts like that, it just shows people up for what they are and I'm here to watch it unfold.
When someone (mixie) openly tries to call me out by saying I wont list what was missing or broken, implying I'm full of shit, I will get on a soapbox, list the facts they seemed to have missed and blast them back into place.
Very smart well thought out post and 100% correct. Well done OP.
What's wrong with you people?
Name me any other industry that releasing a product 1/2 completed for full price, and full price subscriptions is acceptable?
Where are drunken brawls? Where is DX10? Where are the great sieges we were told about? Where is a fully-functional PvP? Why are there SO many bugs? Why wasn't this game tested better?
You give props to a forum poster that basically excuses this mess of a product. This is a PRODUCT. People are paying REAL money for this product. With that comes an expectation that the product will provide the features that it promises in advertising and promotion.
It is up to Funcom to better test their games before release. It is up to Funcom to make sure the features they promise are present in the games they sell.
Age of Conan is nothing more than a PAID BETA. That isn't even legal. They are using subscription money to finish the content of the game they promised at release.
The MMO industry is somewhat young, and it really hasn't been governed like traditional industries. That is the ONLY reason this crap has been allowed to happen. Imagine Toyota selling you a car. A lot of the features they told you the car was going to have simply were not there. You paid full price for a 1/2 completed car. THEN, with the money the made off your payments they completed the car in 6 months to a year...
That is what Funcom is doing. It's the very same thing SOE has been doing with a number of their games, a la Vanguard, SWG, PotBS, and others. It isn't ethical, it isn't right, and it isn't even legal. Still it goes on because the government has yet to tap into this market. It's absurd that someone would defend this behavior.
Funcom there together a game, didn't finish it, sold it for full price, misled ALL of us about the features, didn't properly test the game, and have been charging full price subscriptions to the customers since day 1. It's absolutely a joke that someone would come on here and defend that.
Aimed at the guy who made this topic.
Dude i thank you.
I have been playing AoC since d-day. I have a level 80 and a few lower level chars. Every where you go from funcoms forums to here you find nothing but hate post and how muich this gmae sucks and i can easly say now that around about 60% of those post are by people who havnt even played the game.
My thanks is becaue you have given a good sound review for this game you pointed out the bad this and the good things which a few of us have been trynig to do since day one.
The high end level stuff people keep bitching about the most is one thing that makes me life. Theres currently a hand full of level 80 instance which i enjoy doing. People need to remember this game has been out for months not years, and while every one would like to jump into a gmae with as much end game content as say wow, which if you all think about it took a few years to get where it is then i think your asking for a mircle. I played msot games since release and YES AOC has problems buts its a good sound game with many possible outcomes, and in my eyes think can only get better,
AoC is bloody good fun, and like me and my group have said on many a forum if you dont like the game stop playing it and stop putting time and effort into a stupid task of letting every one know.
Just because some of you are easily amused in a game doesn't mean the rest of us should sit by and let these companies release unfinished and broken products.
If we all sat back and took it all the time then we would never get change. Funcom did the consumer wrong here. They deserve the backlash. Perhaps a severe backlash will keep the next company from making the same mistake.
I am glad people who play this game let others know how broken it is. Without these voices unethical companies would always get away with it and the industry would stay in the rut it is currently in.
So while some of you willingly take it, a great number of us want change in the way these companies do business. So we will continue to fight on your behalf, and MAYBE someday, we will get a game that is actually good, finished, polished, and worth the cost of retail and a months subscription.
You almost sound pcpp in nature
Don't worry fellow realists, all our efforts are being heard in the industry, mythic came out way in advance and said they cut major content purely because of what they saw happen with AoC. Its one step in the right direction.
Back up , This is spot on however it works both ways. Just as you have every right to voice your anger about this issue , Those who play have every right to do just that ( play ), they also have a right to enjoy every second of it (if they do). You act as though being "easily Amused " is a bad thing. There are two types of people in this world , those who view the glass as Half empty , And those who view it as half full.There's a reason you learn about these two personality types in pre-k. It's a lesson on respect and tolerance.
By offering your vocal opinion about this issue , You are telling companies you will not accept it .Those playing these games are sending a different message, Which is equally as important. They are offering information on the type of gameplay , Environment, Lore, combat and Genre they prefer. In order for games to evolve this information is vital, Equally vital.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Back up , This is spot on however it works both ways. Just as you have every right to voice your anger about this issue , Those who play have every right to do just that ( play ), they also have a right to enjoy every second of it (if they do). You act as though being "easily Amused " is a bad thing. There are two types of people in this world , those who view the glass as Half empty , And those who view it as half full.There's a reason you learn about these two personality types in pre-k. It's a lesson on respect and tolerance.
By offering your vocal opinion about this issue , You are telling companies you will not accept it .Those playing these games are sending a different message, Which is equally as important. They are offering information on the type of gameplay , Environment, Lore, combat and Genre they prefer. In order for games to evolve this information is vital, Equally vital.
Wow, you almost pulled it off. While your statement seems logical, in fact it isn't. Those playing and sending their message about being defeatists and accepting the status quo is not equally important to our message. The political correctness rubbish doesn't sit well with me as I don't view all as being equal purely cause it isn't true. Game evolution does not need any input at all from mediocre gamers.
These are the people destroying our industry . They can sit there all they like and say the genuinely enjoy this game, but then I question their caliber as gamers. Simple.
Back up , This is spot on however it works both ways. Just as you have every right to voice your anger about this issue , Those who play have every right to do just that ( play ), they also have a right to enjoy every second of it (if they do). You act as though being "easily Amused " is a bad thing. There are two types of people in this world , those who view the glass as Half empty , And those who view it as half full.There's a reason you learn about these two personality types in pre-k. It's a lesson on respect and tolerance.
By offering your vocal opinion about this issue , You are telling companies you will not accept it .Those playing these games are sending a different message, Which is equally as important. They are offering information on the type of gameplay , Environment, Lore, combat and Genre they prefer. In order for games to evolve this information is vital, Equally vital.
Wow, you almost pulled it off. While your statement seems logical, in fact it isn't. Those playing and sending their message about being defeatists and accepting the status quo is not equally important to our message. The political correctness rubbish doesn't sit well with me as I don't view all as being equal purely cause it isn't true. Game evolution does not need any input at all from mediocre gamers.
These are the people destroying our industry . They can sit there all they like and say the genuinely enjoy this game, but then I question their caliber as gamers. Simple.
I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree , As for it being a fact , I'd have to go with my opinion considering I was a market researcher for quite sometime . My job was to collect data such as this , That data was then used as a reference to guide the development of new products or business models.It's a fairly simple procedure and common practice everywhere .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is one reason why (far too many) MMOs being released follow a fairly straight-and-narrow, safe and common formula.
Now, there's this ...thing... with all of this: people oft times don't know what they truly want, but they will follow what is popular. And, just because something is popular (i.e.: WoW, Britney Spears, McDonalds), does not mean its "good" (however one should choose to define that ultimately). Following the information gleaned from mass marketing research ensures that the mass marketed herd is catered to, most surely.
Once the Corporate Big Boys get wind of what is popular with Other Games, then you've lost a fighting chance to truly develop Something Different--the potential for making new creative games based on (mass) market research is, sadly, about slim-to-none.
This is one reason why (far too many) MMOs being released follow a fairly straight-and-narrow, safe and common formula.
Now, there's this ...thing... with all of this: people oft times don't know what they truly want, but they will follow what is popular. And, just because something is popular (i.e.: WoW, Britney Spears, McDonalds), does not mean its "good" (however one should choose to define that ultimately). Following the information gleaned from mass marketing research ensures that the mass marketed herd is catered to, most surely.
Once the Corporate Big Boys get wind of what is popular with Other Games, then you've lost a fighting chance to truly develop Something Different--the potential for making new creative games based on (mass) market research is, sadly, about slim-to-none.
You're forgetting games like Eve online picking up steam in recent years , Also the outcry for sandbox mmo's like UO, AC and SWG . Let's not forget I said all information gathered , that includes forums and active hot topics . Market research isn't only about what you like it's also about what you don't like.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'll have to add : You don't always have to look to the corporate big boys , when looking for games . Indie developers are your best bet when looking for a game that suits you. They cater to niches, Corporations cater to masses.
Indie developers are also more likely to innovate and take risks, Corporations on the other hand always try and play safe. That may change , You never know . Lately even the safe hasn't been panning out so well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
AOC has failed in so many ways that it actualy hurts me just to remember all the frustrations I had while I played this game .While I was in beta we played preety much the same thing like it was on release no one didnt even had a chance to test siege and they sayd :"why do u worry it all will be in official client this is just a beta" and few days l8r they launch a game and my worst fears came to life unpolished game ,bugged,unfinished game that had no end game content,classes so bupoorly done that 3/4 of skills didnt even worked ,didnt got animations ,efects etc.....the list is huge ok any game got a rough start but they put unfinished beta on market and hoped to get away with it they deserved every litlle h8 mail that came to them.I played few characters in AOC Dark Templar ,Necro and Conqueror .Dark Templars feat tree(talent tree) didnt worked a bit ,spells didnt hawe animations ,efects your spells trigered were not shown on mobs or in pvp most of the time didnt know does my stance works and it was pointleess to switch stances cause u newer new are u actualy in one.Necro minnions are useless u got 15 minnions that wont even atak a target u mark and when they do mob just ignores them and atak u instead from ower a half of the screen in low lvls this isnt a big deal but l8r it`s pain in the but not to mention that they will just stand next to u while u get hammered by 2-3 mobs of your lvl not to mention that each time u go in new area u got to summon them all ower again,with comq I quited nice class greatly imagined just so poorly done dual wield was pointless so most of te peps used 2hdrs yet as was imagined more like"good for party"class hoped to be l8 bloomer but then again your war cryes didnt worked most of the time didnt know are they work even cause I didnt c any improwment with ot without them not to mention godlike rangers that can pwn preety much any class with a single or maybe 2 shots while whole comunity hoped that they will get nrefed they even make them stronger and rom day one of launch game still got most of bugs they had in beta etc etc Funcom wrealy deserved what happened to them this game is just a xcuse for unfinished beta and sadly as things mowe on it will be that for a very long time
How the hell can you be so frustrated over a game? Serious get a grip or get laid or whatever. There are people still enjoying this game and crying about the same thing over and over again will not do anyone any good, only outcome it will make you even more depressed.
In all fairness it has kept a few of my friends from playing AoC, who then asked how it was. I said it felt unfinished, but told them they might like the game even if I did not and offered them buddy keys (Bought CE, well at least the artbook was good). However, they refused as they were not keen on downloading 25+ GBs, plus one at least said since we had similar taste in games, he did not bother and went back to WoW as a filler.
And just a game? It all depends on how much you play and how much interest one has. Some of those whining all the time should IMO tone it down, but my impression is that most anti-AoCers are actually those people who looked forward to AoC a lot and felt cheated and lied to. No matter the context, it's still a bad feeling. I felt lied to yes, but then again neither was I surprised so I basically just shrugged and said "No more Funcom products for me to pre-order then". My reason for quitting was that the game simply felt unfinished.
RIP Blackguard. May a resurrection come.
In all fairness it has kept a few of my friends from playing AoC, who then asked how it was. I said it felt unfinished, but told them they might like the game even if I did not and offered them buddy keys (Bought CE, well at least the artbook was good). However, they refused as they were not keen on downloading 25+ GBs, plus one at least said since we had similar taste in games, he did not bother and went back to WoW as a filler.
And just a game? It all depends on how much you play and how much interest one has. Some of those whining all the time should IMO tone it down, but my impression is that most anti-AoCers are actually those people who looked forward to AoC a lot and felt cheated and lied to. No matter the context, it's still a bad feeling. I felt lied to yes, but then again neither was I surprised so I basically just shrugged and said "No more Funcom products for me to pre-order then". My reason for quitting was that the game simply felt unfinished.
Well I do play alot and have a huge interest in mmo's but I dont cry everytime I buy a game and it was not what I expected it would be. Moo's are nearly never released 100% finished not even close so why are people suprised by this? Is this the first time this has happend?
It's ok to be angry, even more telling them we where lied to... But where the hell does it stop? lol.
I can understand if someone feels bad if he just found out his best friend had sex with your gf.. but even then I will let it go after a while.. Stop living in the past and quit the game go play WAR when its released and do exactly the same thing you have done here as that game will suck to with all the Hype.
People really get stress over this, some will die with some heart attack. Lookout guys.
Hehe, it's so funny to read some of those posts. I agree with OP, have been playing since day one and loving it. True not so much content at lvl 80, i decided to give a go at another class that i also wanted to try out, and guess what? I am loving the game even more, things are much better after those weeks.. The game is getting polished from the ground up, has i think it must be done.
I have never experienced any crazy crashs and memory leaks as some ppl, and yes i do have an high end pc, but it seems it doesn't matters, so maybe i am a lucky guy! The important is that i am enjoying the money i am spending.
Hehe, now i will probably have some fun reading at all the haters here, calling me fanboi and that i must be crazy, and whatever.. I am glad that i am using my money and have to give no explanations to them
Cheers,
Sure, you don't have to explain why you are using your money, and no one is asking you to. Like I said, people like you will take anything served to them. People like some of us will fight for better games and better quality.
People like you hold the genre back. People like us make companies like Funcom and SOE rethink the way they treat their customers because we hit them where it matters, in their profit. By the way, we are much more vocal and much more tenacious then you players who take it.
I still play for the PVP. Last night in Kheshatta saw 6-7 guilds with teams running around PVPing. Even a few running full raid groups. Alot of people left the game but it still feels active on Deathwhisper.
This is still fun for me.
I would really like the defenders of this game to put as much logical thought and presentation into their posts as the "haters"
The defenders simply say stuff like "oh I'm having fun" - yes at level 35, the game is fun, if you play the game 1 hour a week or something yes it's fun, if you have no idea about other MMOs and think it's ok for a MMO to have basic stats that don't work, yes it's fun
Most of the fanboys sound to me like if you gave them Pong with pretty graphics, they'd call it a successful MMO launch.
Stop being such terrified amateurs and look at the game properly - as a discerning customer and not some fresh-faced newbie who is tasting his first glass of wine and proclaiming it to be excellent despite it being a bottom shelf box of table juice from Argentina.
Answer a couple of these actual, listed problems with the game:
* Broken Quests
* Broken feats
* Inventory bugs
* Mount Bugs
* Broken trade skills
* Broken guild city features
* Broken class skills
* World geometry holes ( I know of 4 off the top of my head)
* Buggy client
* Broken grouping mechanics
* Lack of in game raid administration
* Server lock down bugs
* Missing promised DirectX support
* Missing promised PVP features
* Missing promised mature content
* Missing promised social features
* Lack of Game Balance
* Weak fast movement net code
* Lots of /leaving visibility
* Missing promised raid content
* No protection against exploiters
* No protection against spammers
* No protection against griefers
* Hostile and unfriendly player base (though not funcom's fault)
* Hidden / clouded game mechanics: ie: stats formulas?
* Lack of community communication: Feature planning
* Lack of community communication: Priorities
* Lack of community communication: Stealth patch changes
* Lack of community communication: Class balance issues
* Worst in game / GM support seen to date in my opinion
* Broken or impossible to enter mini games
* Lack of basic UI chat features
* Broken Arena
* Broken vendors
* Broken traders
* No siege options
* Lack of itemization
* Shady billing process
* No policy for reimbursement of unschedule server downtimes
Hehe, funny guy? I wonder who specificaly asked you to fight for us, and whatever you say is better quality. Please speak for yourself and leave others alone. There are people who agree and those that don't.. Bare with that. You and no one else is the savior of anything, your idea of perfect and fun, is most probably not, and will never be the one of many people outhere like me.
You have problems, too bad for you.. Just don't hope that because you have problems with something and i don't join your hate crusade.
Stop trying being the almight salvior that i never asked for, and i will leave your crusade alone
Cheers,
Fantastic post. Should be stickied to warn all newcomers!