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WoW vs. War from Mythic's perspective
Xtort
Member Posts: 392
To all the people comparing WoW vs. War:
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
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After seeing it I think no one need to say any more.
Love his explaination of WoW vs War, simple, straight and it allows little for the fanboi's of warcraft to criticize since it still places warcraft in its place of honor, while allowing warhammer to exist harmonously. Kudos
It took me a long time to take to Mr. Barnett, but I can't help but respect the guy and after seeing this video, now more than ever.
Kudos.
OMG they're already starting working on an expansion! The game is going to suck.
The Beatles were popular because they're good and WAR isn't led zeppelin because they were very different and playing WAR it's a very similar shitter version of WOW so they are infact The Monkees.
m/ m/
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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LordOfDarkDesire
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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LordOfDarkDesire
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Great show
Would be great if fans of both games would be more like him.
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
" trying to stay". you realize that WOW still has 3 boxes in the top ten in sales in NA, and Warhammer hasn't even launched yet? Not only does WOW continue to stay in the to 10 sales week after week, but their subscription numbers in NA( and overall) continue to climb, reaching 10.9M as of May.
WOW is more like Bruce Springsten.. continues to sell a ton of records whenever he wants. Warhammer is like like some garage band full of 14 year olds who haven't even been heard in public yet, let alone sold any albums.... but all their pimple-faced friends will tell you how great they are.
As time has been going on, the beta reviews from Warhammer are getting more and more pessimistic. The early reviews were from people that were in the game in closed beta and were very close to the devs.. they had their prewritten 'reviews' all ready to flood everyone as soon as the NDA was lifted. Now that the average beta testers are getting in, the feedback is very 'blah'. Combat is bland, pve is non-existent (do mobs even fight back yet), no crafting, non-strategic combat.. just mindless zerging and zerging.
1M boxes sold, 500k subscribers after 3 months. Will clearly be the number 2 game, but a long shot away from being a peer with WOW at 11M subscribers (probably 12M when wraith launches).
MUCH to much honor for a game which isn't even published yet and which doesn't have any staying power.
Mythic (and EA) marketing startaegy is to have WAR = WOW with the development cost of 5% of Blizz.
Cutting the cheapest way up to the ladder is makein WAR = WOW one word syntax.
Foolish. Because in the end its the game players that decide.
I have actually never seen you give credit to anything apart from WoW Vicksburg. That has never striked you as a reason why people feel you are very biased and uninformed?
O RLY?
Any evidence for that or is it blind fanatical support for WoW?
I have actually never seen you give credit to anything apart from WoW Vicksburg. That has never striked you as a reason why people feel you are very biased and uninformed?
600 K at hyped launch and dropping subs after 3 months... we've seen it all happen 10 times in these last 3 years.
Staying power isn't there and you know it. personal attacks on Wow forums won't help a bit.
It's the MMORPG that counts, not the personal attacks or insults.
O RLY?
Any evidence for that or is it blind fanatical support for WoW?
Tell me, what is your great knowledge of the staying power of Warhammer? There isn't even an endgame yet. Beta testers are stuck in the first 15-30% of gameplay. If endgame is capturing the enemy's main capital..... what comes after that? You capture their city, and then 3 days later it resets? Games like WOW can add new areas, dungeons and zones that are more difficult to conquer than previous ones.. in Warhammer, the 'difficulty' will be just beating the same players over and over again.
The fact that Warhammer hasn't lifted the NDA on it's endgame just shows how shallow it is.
Really, from what I've played all T4 is in and the city raids, though a bit buggy & stiff. Work. In short, it's in a much better position than AoC when it hit release.
Negative. EU Guild testers got locked in to T4 about a month before the end of the CB.
Well you can level the same complain at WoW if you're looking for that jaded point of view.
- YEAH we've cleared MC!
- Now what?
- ... Lets grind it for gear!
- ... Yeah!
Hell, lets level it at Halo 3's MP. That has millions of players but you're only running round a map using the same weapons all day.
Mythic can simply add more Lairs put back in the citys they have removed once they are up to the polish they desire (it's not like WoW you have to be able to fight in those streets too.)
They have, I don't know where you're getting all this incorrect info from!
I realize I'm coming across as a bit of a fanboi, but that would be incorrect. I've played WoW for... pfft... 3 years? I've enjoyed the times I've had with it. I am looking forward to have a bash with WoTLK. But I can't help but come in to threads like this and correct those bashing WAR for faults that only exist in their mind!
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
You see theres the problem really. Paul called WoW the Beattles. Gave his competetion the respect it deserved and showed that his game would be no less ground breaking and awesome. But you have to come in and start saying hes wrong WoW = MJ or BS. Coz clearly you know the game more than he does.
Its trolls like you who need to shut up. Talking about WoW fanbois when you stoop to their level. Pot calling the kettle black much?
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
" trying to stay". you realize that WOW still has 3 boxes in the top ten in sales in NA, and Warhammer hasn't even launched yet? Not only does WOW continue to stay in the to 10 sales week after week, but their subscription numbers in NA( and overall) continue to climb, reaching 10.9M as of May.
WOW is more like Bruce Springsten.. continues to sell a ton of records whenever he wants. Warhammer is like like some garage band full of 14 year olds who haven't even been heard in public yet, let alone sold any albums.... but all their pimple-faced friends will tell you how great they are.
As time has been going on, the beta reviews from Warhammer are getting more and more pessimistic. The early reviews were from people that were in the game in closed beta and were very close to the devs.. they had their prewritten 'reviews' all ready to flood everyone as soon as the NDA was lifted. Now that the average beta testers are getting in, the feedback is very 'blah'. Combat is bland, pve is non-existent (do mobs even fight back yet), no crafting, non-strategic combat.. just mindless zerging and zerging.
1M boxes sold, 500k subscribers after 3 months. Will clearly be the number 2 game, but a long shot away from being a peer with WOW at 11M subscribers (probably 12M when wraith launches).
Seems you are reading different things than I do. All I am reading in the WAR forums here, is people not having so much fun playing playing a game since their first days of their first mmo and being very positive about the amazing gameplay, the fun RvR and public quests and high amount of polish it already has.
I have read alot of reports and opinions on WAR as of yet and the vast majority is very, very positive.
But to say that WAR will be a threat to the existance of WOW is just as unrealistic as dismissing this game as a failure after reading a few negative things amongst the overwhelming amount of positive feedback like you do.
It will most probably get to be a very good game. Just like WOW is a very good game.
I for one, welcome any kind of serious competition on the top mmo front since it stimulates companies to make their games better. In that regard it's also beneficial to avid WOW fans if WAR would dent WOW just a tiny bit.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
" trying to stay". you realize that WOW still has 3 boxes in the top ten in sales in NA, and Warhammer hasn't even launched yet? Not only does WOW continue to stay in the to 10 sales week after week, but their subscription numbers in NA( and overall) continue to climb, reaching 10.9M as of May.
WOW is more like Bruce Springsten.. continues to sell a ton of records whenever he wants. Warhammer is like like some garage band full of 14 year olds who haven't even been heard in public yet, let alone sold any albums.... but all their pimple-faced friends will tell you how great they are.
As time has been going on, the beta reviews from Warhammer are getting more and more pessimistic. The early reviews were from people that were in the game in closed beta and were very close to the devs.. they had their prewritten 'reviews' all ready to flood everyone as soon as the NDA was lifted. Now that the average beta testers are getting in, the feedback is very 'blah'. Combat is bland, pve is non-existent (do mobs even fight back yet), no crafting, non-strategic combat.. just mindless zerging and zerging.
1M boxes sold, 500k subscribers after 3 months. Will clearly be the number 2 game, but a long shot away from being a peer with WOW at 11M subscribers (probably 12M when wraith launches).
Nerd rage
How about we wait for the game to come out before we boo hoo cry like babies over how horrid it is?
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
" trying to stay". you realize that WOW still has 3 boxes in the top ten in sales in NA, and Warhammer hasn't even launched yet? Not only does WOW continue to stay in the to 10 sales week after week, but their subscription numbers in NA( and overall) continue to climb, reaching 10.9M as of May.
WOW is more like Bruce Springsten.. continues to sell a ton of records whenever he wants. Warhammer is like like some garage band full of 14 year olds who haven't even been heard in public yet, let alone sold any albums.... but all their pimple-faced friends will tell you how great they are.
As time has been going on, the beta reviews from Warhammer are getting more and more pessimistic. The early reviews were from people that were in the game in closed beta and were very close to the devs.. they had their prewritten 'reviews' all ready to flood everyone as soon as the NDA was lifted. Now that the average beta testers are getting in, the feedback is very 'blah'. Combat is bland, pve is non-existent (do mobs even fight back yet), no crafting, non-strategic combat.. just mindless zerging and zerging.
1M boxes sold, 500k subscribers after 3 months. Will clearly be the number 2 game, but a long shot away from being a peer with WOW at 11M subscribers (probably 12M when wraith launches).
Nerd rage
How about we wait for the game to come out before we boo hoo cry like babies over how horrid it is?
Clear sign that someone is insecure and worried about their favorite game.
Don't worry, you'll still have plenty of people to play with in Rash of the Itch King. But WAR will still be a great game/band, whatever you want to call it haha.
Sorry to say it but WoW even is not like a beetles but more like Michael Jackson.
WAR is really the very heavy metal!
That was a disgrace to Michael Jackson. WoW is more like Britney Spears or Hannah Montana trying to stay on the magazines, M.J at least knows how to stay away from the public hehe...
p.s: Britney Spears also produced quality pop one time.
" trying to stay". you realize that WOW still has 3 boxes in the top ten in sales in NA, and Warhammer hasn't even launched yet? Not only does WOW continue to stay in the to 10 sales week after week, but their subscription numbers in NA( and overall) continue to climb, reaching 10.9M as of May.
WOW is more like Bruce Springsten.. continues to sell a ton of records whenever he wants. Warhammer is like like some garage band full of 14 year olds who haven't even been heard in public yet, let alone sold any albums.... but all their pimple-faced friends will tell you how great they are.
As time has been going on, the beta reviews from Warhammer are getting more and more pessimistic. The early reviews were from people that were in the game in closed beta and were very close to the devs.. they had their prewritten 'reviews' all ready to flood everyone as soon as the NDA was lifted. Now that the average beta testers are getting in, the feedback is very 'blah'. Combat is bland, pve is non-existent (do mobs even fight back yet), no crafting, non-strategic combat.. just mindless zerging and zerging.
1M boxes sold, 500k subscribers after 3 months. Will clearly be the number 2 game, but a long shot away from being a peer with WOW at 11M subscribers (probably 12M when wraith launches).
Nerd rage
How about we wait for the game to come out before we boo hoo cry like babies over how horrid it is?
Clear sign that someone is insecure and worried about their favorite game.
Don't worry, you'll still have plenty of people to play with in Rash of the Itch King. But WAR will still be a great game/band, whatever you want to call it haha
I simply am saying dont judge a game saying it has no staying power before it even comes out. In fact I kind of defended your WAR game lol.
I may or may not try it if people say it is good AFTER it is out for a bit and they actually have characters in it.
Very interesting post...even more interesting with the majority of replies. The video is obviously stating that WAR is different then WOW. WAR offers a different perspective to some or many...only time will tell.
But once again, we get the feedback from both ends of the spectrum bashing each other with less than all the facts yet to be discovered. Again the video is obviously saying WOW a great game but we think we have discovered a way to attract a different kind of player. Someone more "smash mouth" or just something a bit more gritty than WOW. Come try it you just may like it .....
Why must there always be a reason to bash one way or the other. WOW has shown it is attractive to many. WAR will more than likely find it's audience in time if it offers what is implied. It's too early for anyone to claim "we're better than you tactics". Great things have co-existed and will continue to do so.
Well, that is unless you just like to troll and try to get people riled up.....the JUVENILE way.
BTW...I'm not trying to imply that ANYONE who has posted on this thread is juvenile...
Wish people in this thread have as much respect for each other as Paul does, instead of flaming and treating WoW/WAR like everything on this world.
I think alot of people got it in their heads that WAR was too much like WoW because the vids on youtube made it look that way......Granted most of those are over a year old now and Im sure alot has changed but in the vids the gameplay looked alot like BGs in WOW......I dont care if WAR has its roots from 1983, WOW made it to the MMO market 4 years earlier and its up to WAR to have the game that is different......
Paul's analogy makes more sense and pays respect where it's due -- unlike Funcom's McDonald's vs steak.
This is what actually defines the difference between being confident, and being foolishly arrogant.
I like it when he placed WoW as Beatles (I happened to like the Beatles as well) and WAR as Led Zeppelin, but I was actually picturing WAR as The Rolling Stones.
Best of luck to Mythic, WAR and WAR players~ I genuinely wish you guys to be successful so Blizzard could improve.