I never even logged in to WH, I ordered 2 copys from EA directly and when I saw the hassle it was to even get the game < and beta codes wich came weeks AFTER I ordered them.... > I reflected back on how EA ruined UO and completely trashed/pulled the plug on MCO out of nowhere and decided its best just to stick with WoW.As I read the warhammer forums I am glad I did too. Mythic was great during the original DAOC, but after the toa forced grinding crap they force fed us with artifacts and everything else, a partnership with EA just shows how far downhill they have went.
EA is the publisher and the publisher only. Buying from EA is retarted in the least. Its been said not to buy directly from EA.
I went to Direct2Drive.com got my digital coppy easier than driving down the street to gamestop.
Depends on what your goals are friend. if you want to take the enemys keep then you may have a problem. But if your just playing for the enjoyment of pvping then maybe get a small skirmish band together and run through the rvr area's ambushing. Thats what me and a few friends are doing and it gives us a real buzz.
There is 5 of us ambushing the tail ends of warbands killing a few destruction fast then retreating to regroup.....it's such a buzz to see them turn around as two of thier comrades fall and they wander why and start chasing shadows. OP do you just pvp btw? because there is also pve to do inbetween untill you come across even numbers .
You quit because of getting rolled in Open RvR when not even in tier 3/4? Sigh... some people just aren't willing to see the world truthfully...
I've really got to say I dislike this line of thinking. A game should be fun from level 1, not 20-30 levels of frustration just to get to the lands of milk and honey. Someone posted a quip that I thought was really funny and at the same time very accurate.
"So I should eat shit for 20 levels just to get to the cookie?"
There has been a lot of flawed logic posted here about population imbalances. Someone wrote that order is somehow smarter than destruction and just needs to get organized to win. As if destruction players can't simply do the same if the population advantage is somehow nuetralized by organization.
Someone else said destruction is more popular, because everyone chose horde in WoW. When horde was actually at population disadvantage. Interestingly enough many horde players site the population imbalance as a reason for the downfall of world PvP. As soon as word spread about a good fight going on, the alliance would overwhelm the horde with sheer numbers. Not as a tactic, but because people wanted to PvP.
Edit: I forgot to say I don't necessarily agree with what the original poster stated as my world RvR experience has been balanced so far, but limited in experience.
I think there is plenty of fun at T1/T2 and is enough to get a good feel for the game. Maybe things get better/worse later on I don't know, but there is enough to keep yourself busy.
The one thing I did notice is the lack of order players in the T1 area. The public quests are dead and people few and far between. Scenarios had short que times, but I think that is because it was mostly the same group of people playing them.
as a person in the medical field, I have had to sit through enough developmental psychology classes to see the root of this problem flashing in neon colors. This game is very much a nintendo-style game that appeals more to the younger gaming crowd. The human brain is pre-disposed to break away from convention during these years, also the mentality of the type of people drawn to pvp-team-arena style games such as Warhammer tend also to be fighting against structure... VOILA! Balancing the mentality of the people that lay this game isn't going to happen. These small scale 'servers' (actually they are large scale arenas) can't fight many millions years years of biological evolution.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
100% agree with this post.
YOU not the person next to you need to take the initiative to do things and get them done.
Its like that in this game and its like that in real life.
Sit back and let everyone else do it, then you are just like everyone else.
Thats why I rolled a tank. Swordmaster, i run in first while everyone pussy foots around, and usualy am the reason theres a push in the destruction forces.
Takes some initiative, talk a little, and get people to help out. Not very hard. I play on Avhenim or w/ever its called.
I never even logged in to WH, I ordered 2 copys from EA directly and when I saw the hassle it was to even get the game < and beta codes wich came weeks AFTER I ordered them.... > I reflected back on how EA ruined UO and completely trashed/pulled the plug on MCO out of nowhere and decided its best just to stick with WoW.As I read the warhammer forums I am glad I did too. Mythic was great during the original DAOC, but after the toa forced grinding crap they force fed us with artifacts and everything else, a partnership with EA just shows how far downhill they have went.
EA is the publisher and the publisher only. Buying from EA is retarted in the least. Its been said not to buy directly from EA.
I went to Direct2Drive.com got my digital coppy easier than driving down the street to gamestop.
lmfao.
No EA owns Mythic.
NCSoft pbulished Auto Assault, Net Devil was the developer. They are separate. NetDevil is now making JumpGate Evolutiuon with Codemasters as the publisher.
EA owns mythic in full and is pbulishing the game. They are not separate. And in fact are adding promotional items into WAR to promote other games like Red Alert 3.
However the EAStore is not likely to have anything different than other game shops and is not a great store in general.
I did get my CD key for a direct download from EA store basically instantly. But I purposely did not do the pre-order through them.
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it. People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it. And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results. P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years.... Same crap, just different package...
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
alot of ppl in star wars galaxies forums said the same thing..go give them a visit and see how they beg for anyone to log in so their 14 bucks a month isnt totally wasted as they sit outside of instances or in the restuss pvp areas praying to be attacked.The more ppl that quit a MMO affects you directly..word of mouth is a powerful tool that makes or breaks any MMO.
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it. People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it. And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results. P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years.... Same crap, just different package...
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
alot of ppl in star wars galaxies forums said the same thing..go give them a visit and see how they beg for anyone to log in so their 14 bucks a month isnt totally wasted as they sit outside of instances or in the restuss pvp areas praying to be attacked.The more ppl that quit a MMO affects you directly..word of mouth is a powerful tool that makes or breaks any MMO.
no, swg broke swg. people quit every day and post about it in wow forums also. wow hasn't completely reworked their game numerous times like swg has had done. that is why people quit that game in droves several different times during it's short lifespan.
If you really want realm balance there are a few server that have it.
Not the majority, but you can certainly find one. They mostly ahve queues or are RP servers.
Rerolling to another server will in the long run solve nothing at all, all that will do is leave most servers with next to no order pop and a large destruction pop frustrated at haveing no one to fight and causeing them to reroll to the already full servers.
No..The PEOPLE broke SWG.They continued to come back, or try to find something to keep them interested after sony did their nge crap...however thats all a moot point anyway considering people went around yelling if you dont want to play then quit and now are begging ppl to log in.The same can be done in ANY mmo, look at motor city online..EA added in hazard hollow and no one wanted that crap, thus subscriptions got canceled and the plug ended up pulled out of nowhere.
When ppl tell people to quit paying then they will.
thats only true if ll are in the same opinion of you friend. I for one am not as my RvR experience so far is very balanced and exciting. What server do you play on? Do you head to different pairings at all? do you enjoy the scenarios that are usually much more balanced.
- Most don't talk, because everyone is consumed with learning game mechanics
-Most don't respond in chat, because very few know the answers
-Most don't coordinate in Scenarios and RvR because no one has figured out the strategies and/or those strats are not common knowledge yet.
-Most are not in guilds yet and are essentially fighting the war in inexperienced pick-up groups.
All the above can lead to the OP's feelings.
I recommend for everyone feeling like Order is a wash:
-join a guild with beta experience
-assure that guild was not randomly created by a 17 year old and that the huge number of members only reflects his motivation to invite rather than an example of organization.
-assure that the guild groups together, schedules events and is dedicated to learning 'how' to take out destruction
If one does their research, finds and joins a guild like the above, then those Order routes will be a thing of the past. In all scenarios, your guild will own. On the RvR field, your guild will be coordinated and organized, you will win each time against the random pickup groups and warbands that just happened to be wandering around and joined the open party.
Warhammer hasn't failed to balance Order and Destruction, the players are failing at the organization and the teamwork required to win.
Two final analogies:
A group of neighborhood folks are playing a little touch football in the park on a Sunday afternoon. Just the random folks who happened to be out that day. Then the Greenbay Packers show up and challenge you to a game. Who will win?
And - The NFC has an historic record of winning. The AFC has an historic record of losing. But no one would say this proves the GAME of Football is flawed.
Losing in RvR? Solve the problem yourself, the game doesn't owe you a 'win 50% of the time' button.
*apologies for repeat info - this is a long damn thread
Here's my observation: This - the opening weekend, in Tier 1: - Most don't talk, because everyone is consumed with learning game mechanics -Most don't respond in chat, because very few know the answers -Most don't coordinate in Scenarios and RvR because no one has figured out the strategies and/or those strats are not common knowledge yet. -Most are not in guilds yet and are essentially fighting the war in inexperienced pick-up groups. All the above can lead to the OP's feelings. I recommend for everyone feeling like Order is a wash: -join a guild with beta experience -assure that guild was not randomly created by a 17 year old and that the huge number of members only reflects his motivation to invite rather than an example of organization. -assure that the guild groups together, schedules events and is dedicated to learning 'how' to take out destruction If one does their research, finds and joins a guild like the above, then those Order routes will be a thing of the past. In all scenarios, your guild will own. On the RvR field, your guild will be coordinated and organized, you will win each time against the random pickup groups and warbands that just happened to be wandering around and joined the open party. Warhammer hasn't failed to balance Order and Destruction, the players are failing at the organization and the teamwork required to win. Two final analogies: A group of neighborhood folks are playing a little touch football in the park on a Sunday afternoon. Just the random folks who happened to be out that day. Then the Greenbay Packers show up and challenge you to a game. Who will win? And - The NFC has an historic record of winning. The AFC has an historic record of losing. But no one would say this proves the GAME of Football is flawed. Losing in RvR? Solve the problem yourself, the game doesn't owe you a 'win 50% of the time' button. *apologies for repeat info - this is a long damn thread
Easyer said than done theres only one guild order side and thats a invite anyone guild, yet dest side theres at least 4-5 big organized guilds its got to the point where most order players are so demoralised they don't even bother with pvp outside scenario's anymore.
Well, this is the best advice I can give you so don't be upset.
STOP WHINING! and do something about it!
Join a guild, make some friends, and form some groups for RvR. I have been playing Order since launch and have never been faced with overwhelming odds. The be honest, most of the times I enter an RvR zone we are doing well and have control of atleast two, if not all of the strategic points.
You will (or would have) learned that RvR goes back and forth. Sometimes Order will dominate, and sometimes Destruction will. It all depends on the teamwork (guilds) and those players that DO something on each side at the time. Quitting the game and looking for remorse on these forums is not the solution to your servers problems in RvR, YOU ARE the solution.
Of course you are not playing anymore, so the best of luck to you.
I'am sorry to say I've just deleted war from my computer playing as order for me has just been a complete waste of time, I've played on 5 different servers and it's been the same on every one order getting completely rolled in world RVR sadly if that continues the way it is it will kill the end game and ultimately the game itself, it's pretty sad because I over all like the game but sadly as it is at the moment I don't see this game haveing any long term lifespan. I'll come back in a few months time to see if things have impoved so in the mentime have fun fun playing.
And I'm sorry to say but this has been a complete waste of my 1min of life reading this.
Well, this is the best advice I can give you so don't be upset. STOP WHINING! and do something about it! Join a guild, make some friends, and form some groups for RvR. I have been playing Order since launch and have never been faced with overwhelming odds. The be honest, most of the times I enter an RvR zone we are doing well and have control of atleast two, if not all of the strategic points. You will (or would have) learned that RvR goes back and forth. Sometimes Order will dominate, and sometimes Destruction will. It all depends on the teamwork (guilds) and those players that DO something on each side at the time. Quitting the game and looking for remorse on these forums is not the solution to your servers problems in RvR, YOU ARE the solution. Of course you are not playing anymore, so the best of luck to you.
Originally posted by Newhopes I'am sorry to say I've just deleted war from my computer playing as order for me has just been a complete waste of time, I've played on 5 different servers and it's been the same on every one order getting completely rolled in world RVR sadly if that continues the way it is it will kill the end game and ultimately the game itself, it's pretty sad because I over all like the game but sadly as it is at the moment I don't see this game haveing any long term lifespan. I'll come back in a few months time to see if things have impoved so in the mentime have fun fun playing.
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but if you want to avoid being outnumbered, check the pop level of the server before you create a toon on it.
I don't know much about it's accuracy, though. I selected a server I thought looked fair, but I think a lot of the Order players have been discouraged since then and left.
Nevertheless, I am going to see it through till level 40. I hope more people do the same.
yea i play chaos on Bretannia server and well order wins just about as much as chaos its rather even and also there are servers where order dominate just like there are many that chaos do. oh and if you tried 5 servers in 4 days then you werent even high enough to get to open RvR where the order tends to shine alot more
I didn't mention a thought- when I first got into tier 2 scenarios, I was getting wailed on. It made me feel like Order was not doing great.
It wasn't doing great because I wasn't doing enough to help the team out. I was too caught up in my own sucktasticness (which was fine at tier 1).
As I leveled a handful of times more, I started to realize that my contributions were shaping the outcomes of the scenarios.
For tier 2, I changed the way I played, and became more successful in ensuring victory, or at least a good fight for Order. Not to say I paved the way alone, but every little bit counts.
I'am sorry to say I've just deleted war from my computer playing as order for me has just been a complete waste of time, I've played on 5 different servers and it's been the same on every one order getting completely rolled in world RVR sadly if that continues the way it is it will kill the end game and ultimately the game itself, it's pretty sad because I over all like the game but sadly as it is at the moment I don't see this game haveing any long term lifespan. I'll come back in a few months time to see if things have impoved so in the mentime have fun fun playing.
Nothinhg worse than this sort of post melodramatic claptrap.
Euphemism for medical billing specialist from the local community college detected.
Euphemism for CRNA
Hence why I can spend so much time trying out new games? Gotta love those 36 hours work weeks.
But that off topic personal attack from some idiot named vernd, that likely mows lawns, takes us away from the real problem...
The servers are too small. Math (not being little vernd's forte' ) is the foundation of all computer games. The smaller the population per server, the more problem an imbalance is going to cuase.
Warhammer is a tiny little game. The arenas (called 'servers' by mythic for some reason) are little tiny weenie worlds that only hold a few people. The mythic people did this on purpose to create little RvR ars that low end computers (en with War's bad graphics, terrible sound quality and lack of any sort of game depth) could run smoothly... which it still doesn't do that well, but I digress...
When only a few hundred people are in the arenas, then any imbalance becomes a game breaker.
I don't see a fix to this... but they are going to have problems retaining paying customers in a game that has these problems.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
im not really feeling the imbalance. did a mix of world and scenario rvr at tier 2 today and made 4 levels in a short time frame, didnt loose a single match, at least, until about 5pm when the kids come home....
hmm im seeing a pattern,. schools end, games get less co-ordinated. so i extrapolate from that, that the OP is a kid, probably around 12, mybe 14, and needs to learn to work as a team along side the other 14y/os.
try eating a banana 15mins before you start playing, they're good brain food yanno. try not being a dick to your team mates. try suggesting a tactic. suggest a tactic in every damned match you enter. TACTICS IN EVERY GAME YOU ENTER!
TACTICS IN EVERY GAME YOU ENTER!
TACTICS
TACTICS.
Funny thing is, I KNOW you got nothing from this post. you wont use any tactics. mr zerg zerg blurger blooh blah zergy zerg
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
Talking about generalization...why you are talking against it, when you are doing exactly the same thing.Leave the person alone, to express his opinion, about not liking WAR, and stop judging him, and pushing him to love it. People have different tastes and preferences in that context...he may like it, you may like it, but someone may NOT like it. And you should respect that, instead of trying to "convice" the person, even knowing it will not bring any results. P.S and yes i dont like WAR, i find it generic,outdated,and im tired of the orcs elves, gnomes, and all kind of fairies which are overused in every single RPG game in the past 10 years.... Same crap, just different package...
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
As far as i know Forums, are places where people express and exchange opinions, thoughts, advices on certain matter. Since we all live in a world where freedom of speech its provided in the core base of our human rights, i dont see a reason why he shouldnt post and state his opinion about the game.
If you dont care, maybe I do care, about his opinion! You read the forum, i read the forum.Can i stop you ,or give you an order to stop writing posts here, with justification that no-one is interested in them?Absolutely not!
And dont think that people can change opinion overnight just cause you opposed his thoghts with wall of text for which you think its the right perception of certain game/isuue.
Different people,different needs, different views....cant blame him!
im not really feeling the imbalance. did a mix of world and scenario rvr at tier 2 today and made 4 levels in a short time frame, didnt loose a single match, at least, until about 5pm when the kids come home.... hmm im seeing a pattern,. schools end, games get less co-ordinated. so i extrapolate from that, that the OP is a kid, probably around 12, mybe 14, and needs to learn to work as a team along side the other 14y/os. try eating a banana 15mins before you start playing, they're good brain food yanno. try not being a dick to your team mates. try suggesting a tactic. suggest a tactic in every damned match you enter. TACTICS IN EVERY GAME YOU ENTER! TACTICS IN EVERY GAME YOU ENTER! TACTICS TACTICS. Funny thing is, I KNOW you got nothing from this post. you wont use any tactics. mr zerg zerg blurger blooh blah zergy zerg
Scenarios mean jack there nothing, this game is about World pvp where tactics mean nothing when your faceing 2 to 3 times your own number,.
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EA is the publisher and the publisher only. Buying from EA is retarted in the least. Its been said not to buy directly from EA.
I went to Direct2Drive.com got my digital coppy easier than driving down the street to gamestop.
lmfao.
Depends on what your goals are friend. if you want to take the enemys keep then you may have a problem. But if your just playing for the enjoyment of pvping then maybe get a small skirmish band together and run through the rvr area's ambushing. Thats what me and a few friends are doing and it gives us a real buzz.
There is 5 of us ambushing the tail ends of warbands killing a few destruction fast then retreating to regroup.....it's such a buzz to see them turn around as two of thier comrades fall and they wander why and start chasing shadows. OP do you just pvp btw? because there is also pve to do inbetween untill you come across even numbers
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I've really got to say I dislike this line of thinking. A game should be fun from level 1, not 20-30 levels of frustration just to get to the lands of milk and honey. Someone posted a quip that I thought was really funny and at the same time very accurate.
"So I should eat shit for 20 levels just to get to the cookie?"
There has been a lot of flawed logic posted here about population imbalances. Someone wrote that order is somehow smarter than destruction and just needs to get organized to win. As if destruction players can't simply do the same if the population advantage is somehow nuetralized by organization.
Someone else said destruction is more popular, because everyone chose horde in WoW. When horde was actually at population disadvantage. Interestingly enough many horde players site the population imbalance as a reason for the downfall of world PvP. As soon as word spread about a good fight going on, the alliance would overwhelm the horde with sheer numbers. Not as a tactic, but because people wanted to PvP.
Edit: I forgot to say I don't necessarily agree with what the original poster stated as my world RvR experience has been balanced so far, but limited in experience.
I think there is plenty of fun at T1/T2 and is enough to get a good feel for the game. Maybe things get better/worse later on I don't know, but there is enough to keep yourself busy.
The one thing I did notice is the lack of order players in the T1 area. The public quests are dead and people few and far between. Scenarios had short que times, but I think that is because it was mostly the same group of people playing them.
Wrong, i've met more older and more mature people on this game then any other mmo i've played. WOW Is much more dumbed down then war is. warhammer is more about structure, people working together to accomplish bigger things, the people that don't see this, such as the OP, are the ones that are leaving and complaining about their sides losing to much. join a group, lead a group, join a guild....organize something, make a structure, stop playing it like the scenarios are some fps quake type game, Instead play it organized and structured with a guild, with working together with other people and you'll see your side start winning more and more.
100% agree with this post.
YOU not the person next to you need to take the initiative to do things and get them done.
Its like that in this game and its like that in real life.
Sit back and let everyone else do it, then you are just like everyone else.
Thats why I rolled a tank. Swordmaster, i run in first while everyone pussy foots around, and usualy am the reason theres a push in the destruction forces.
Takes some initiative, talk a little, and get people to help out. Not very hard. I play on Avhenim or w/ever its called.
EA is the publisher and the publisher only. Buying from EA is retarted in the least. Its been said not to buy directly from EA.
I went to Direct2Drive.com got my digital coppy easier than driving down the street to gamestop.
lmfao.
No EA owns Mythic.
NCSoft pbulished Auto Assault, Net Devil was the developer. They are separate. NetDevil is now making JumpGate Evolutiuon with Codemasters as the publisher.
EA owns mythic in full and is pbulishing the game. They are not separate. And in fact are adding promotional items into WAR to promote other games like Red Alert 3.
However the EAStore is not likely to have anything different than other game shops and is not a great store in general.
I did get my CD key for a direct download from EA store basically instantly. But I purposely did not do the pre-order through them.
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
alot of ppl in star wars galaxies forums said the same thing..go give them a visit and see how they beg for anyone to log in so their 14 bucks a month isnt totally wasted as they sit outside of instances or in the restuss pvp areas praying to be attacked.The more ppl that quit a MMO affects you directly..word of mouth is a powerful tool that makes or breaks any MMO.
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
alot of ppl in star wars galaxies forums said the same thing..go give them a visit and see how they beg for anyone to log in so their 14 bucks a month isnt totally wasted as they sit outside of instances or in the restuss pvp areas praying to be attacked.The more ppl that quit a MMO affects you directly..word of mouth is a powerful tool that makes or breaks any MMO.
no, swg broke swg. people quit every day and post about it in wow forums also. wow hasn't completely reworked their game numerous times like swg has had done. that is why people quit that game in droves several different times during it's short lifespan.
Rerolling to another server will in the long run solve nothing at all, all that will do is leave most servers with next to no order pop and a large destruction pop frustrated at haveing no one to fight and causeing them to reroll to the already full servers.
No..The PEOPLE broke SWG.They continued to come back, or try to find something to keep them interested after sony did their nge crap...however thats all a moot point anyway considering people went around yelling if you dont want to play then quit and now are begging ppl to log in.The same can be done in ANY mmo, look at motor city online..EA added in hazard hollow and no one wanted that crap, thus subscriptions got canceled and the plug ended up pulled out of nowhere.
When ppl tell people to quit paying then they will.
thats only true if ll are in the same opinion of you friend. I for one am not as my RvR experience so far is very balanced and exciting. What server do you play on? Do you head to different pairings at all? do you enjoy the scenarios that are usually much more balanced.
Here's my observation:
This - the opening weekend, in Tier 1:
- Most don't talk, because everyone is consumed with learning game mechanics
-Most don't respond in chat, because very few know the answers
-Most don't coordinate in Scenarios and RvR because no one has figured out the strategies and/or those strats are not common knowledge yet.
-Most are not in guilds yet and are essentially fighting the war in inexperienced pick-up groups.
All the above can lead to the OP's feelings.
I recommend for everyone feeling like Order is a wash:
-join a guild with beta experience
-assure that guild was not randomly created by a 17 year old and that the huge number of members only reflects his motivation to invite rather than an example of organization.
-assure that the guild groups together, schedules events and is dedicated to learning 'how' to take out destruction
If one does their research, finds and joins a guild like the above, then those Order routes will be a thing of the past. In all scenarios, your guild will own. On the RvR field, your guild will be coordinated and organized, you will win each time against the random pickup groups and warbands that just happened to be wandering around and joined the open party.
Warhammer hasn't failed to balance Order and Destruction, the players are failing at the organization and the teamwork required to win.
Two final analogies:
A group of neighborhood folks are playing a little touch football in the park on a Sunday afternoon. Just the random folks who happened to be out that day. Then the Greenbay Packers show up and challenge you to a game. Who will win?
And - The NFC has an historic record of winning. The AFC has an historic record of losing. But no one would say this proves the GAME of Football is flawed.
Losing in RvR? Solve the problem yourself, the game doesn't owe you a 'win 50% of the time' button.
*apologies for repeat info - this is a long damn thread
Easyer said than done theres only one guild order side and thats a invite anyone guild, yet dest side theres at least 4-5 big organized guilds its got to the point where most order players are so demoralised they don't even bother with pvp outside scenario's anymore.
Well, this is the best advice I can give you so don't be upset.
STOP WHINING! and do something about it!
Join a guild, make some friends, and form some groups for RvR. I have been playing Order since launch and have never been faced with overwhelming odds. The be honest, most of the times I enter an RvR zone we are doing well and have control of atleast two, if not all of the strategic points.
You will (or would have) learned that RvR goes back and forth. Sometimes Order will dominate, and sometimes Destruction will. It all depends on the teamwork (guilds) and those players that DO something on each side at the time. Quitting the game and looking for remorse on these forums is not the solution to your servers problems in RvR, YOU ARE the solution.
Of course you are not playing anymore, so the best of luck to you.
STOP WHINING!
And I'm sorry to say but this has been a complete waste of my 1min of life reading this.
QFT
On my server Order is kicking our ass.
Make a difference!
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but if you want to avoid being outnumbered, check the pop level of the server before you create a toon on it.
I don't know much about it's accuracy, though. I selected a server I thought looked fair, but I think a lot of the Order players have been discouraged since then and left.
Nevertheless, I am going to see it through till level 40. I hope more people do the same.
The "problem" with WAR: requires actual participation from it's players.
yea i play chaos on Bretannia server and well order wins just about as much as chaos its rather even and also there are servers where order dominate just like there are many that chaos do. oh and if you tried 5 servers in 4 days then you werent even high enough to get to open RvR where the order tends to shine alot more
I didn't mention a thought- when I first got into tier 2 scenarios, I was getting wailed on. It made me feel like Order was not doing great.
It wasn't doing great because I wasn't doing enough to help the team out. I was too caught up in my own sucktasticness (which was fine at tier 1).
As I leveled a handful of times more, I started to realize that my contributions were shaping the outcomes of the scenarios.
For tier 2, I changed the way I played, and became more successful in ensuring victory, or at least a good fight for Order. Not to say I paved the way alone, but every little bit counts.
Nothinhg worse than this sort of post melodramatic claptrap.
Euphemism for medical billing specialist from the local community college detected.
Euphemism for CRNA
Hence why I can spend so much time trying out new games? Gotta love those 36 hours work weeks.
But that off topic personal attack from some idiot named vernd, that likely mows lawns, takes us away from the real problem...
The servers are too small. Math (not being little vernd's forte' ) is the foundation of all computer games. The smaller the population per server, the more problem an imbalance is going to cuase.
Warhammer is a tiny little game. The arenas (called 'servers' by mythic for some reason) are little tiny weenie worlds that only hold a few people. The mythic people did this on purpose to create little RvR ars that low end computers (en with War's bad graphics, terrible sound quality and lack of any sort of game depth) could run smoothly... which it still doesn't do that well, but I digress...
When only a few hundred people are in the arenas, then any imbalance becomes a game breaker.
I don't see a fix to this... but they are going to have problems retaining paying customers in a game that has these problems.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
im not really feeling the imbalance. did a mix of world and scenario rvr at tier 2 today and made 4 levels in a short time frame, didnt loose a single match, at least, until about 5pm when the kids come home....
hmm im seeing a pattern,. schools end, games get less co-ordinated. so i extrapolate from that, that the OP is a kid, probably around 12, mybe 14, and needs to learn to work as a team along side the other 14y/os.
try eating a banana 15mins before you start playing, they're good brain food yanno. try not being a dick to your team mates. try suggesting a tactic. suggest a tactic in every damned match you enter. TACTICS IN EVERY GAME YOU ENTER!
TACTICS IN EVERY GAME YOU ENTER!
TACTICS
TACTICS.
Funny thing is, I KNOW you got nothing from this post. you wont use any tactics. mr zerg zerg blurger blooh blah zergy zerg
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
if he wants to be left alone and quit the game in obscurity then maybe he shouldn't come to a forum for the game and post about it. he plays the game alone, why does he think people here will care that he quit? people aren't trying to keep him playing, they are giving reason why his reasons for quiting are flawed.
why does anyone that decides to quit a game think everyone else should know? normally only some one trying to stir crap up make these sort of post, letting the world know that they quit so and so new game.
As far as i know Forums, are places where people express and exchange opinions, thoughts, advices on certain matter. Since we all live in a world where freedom of speech its provided in the core base of our human rights, i dont see a reason why he shouldnt post and state his opinion about the game.
If you dont care, maybe I do care, about his opinion! You read the forum, i read the forum.Can i stop you ,or give you an order to stop writing posts here, with justification that no-one is interested in them?Absolutely not!
And dont think that people can change opinion overnight just cause you opposed his thoghts with wall of text for which you think its the right perception of certain game/isuue.
Different people,different needs, different views....cant blame him!
Scenarios mean jack there nothing, this game is about World pvp where tactics mean nothing when your faceing 2 to 3 times your own number,.