It was tested in closed beta. I'm guessing that's why they didn't test it in open. That seems like a quite annoying bug that wasn't squashed. Sounds like something that's easy to fix, though.
It was tested in closed beta. I'm guessing that's why they didn't test it in open. That seems like a quite annoying bug that wasn't squashed. Sounds like something that's easy to fix, though.
Not in public closed as far as I remember. They only got to test a few pieces of T4, and then only in parts, and then only with precreated rank 31 characters or something. They never got to test the whole thing together.
I love WAR the game, but quit because of the server imbalances, and world emptiness. I'll say WAR at it's base is my favorite mmo out there. But i still have to say lawlz, fanboys, defend the bugs all you want, make fake excuses, go for it. It's seriously funny.
The fanboys are killing this game. Mythic uses the VN boards no warhammer alliance and there is a solid wall of of either fanboys or loucst-lie PvPers. They have done nothing big ignore this problem and taunt the other other side.
This game is doomed. If the community and closed beta was composed of nothing but Greedy people all playing one side it might have had a chance.
I love WAR the game, but quit because of the server imbalances, and world emptiness. I'll say WAR at it's base is my favorite mmo out there. But i still have to say lawlz, fanboys, defend the bugs all you want, make fake excuses, go for it. It's seriously funny.
The fanboys are killing this game. Mythic uses the VN boards no warhammer alliance and there is a solid wall of of either fanboys or loucst-lie PvPers. They have done nothing big ignore this problem and taunt the other other side.
This game is doomed. If the community and closed beta was composed of nothing but Greedy people all playing one side it might have had a chance.
It almost frightening.
Shame was not allowed to post thoughts with regards to closed beta because of NDA. This extact issue was the small print in the email that was sent out, talk about everything else apart from things like this.
Not only are there fanboi's running around screaming there are no bugs, its these same people that say NDA was lifted when it clearly was not fully lifted and some things needed to be said but werent allowed to the potential customer...
I had a very constructive thread deleted because of it, from which I put forward critical issues similar to the ones mentioned in this thread.
Mythic openly admit they wouldnt want their staff to go through potential issues on feedback such as this on an Official forum - so they didnt bother, because they cant handle it...
It was tested in closed beta. I'm guessing that's why they didn't test it in open. That seems like a quite annoying bug that wasn't squashed. Sounds like something that's easy to fix, though.
Not in public closed as far as I remember. They only got to test a few pieces of T4, and then only in parts, and then only with precreated rank 31 characters or something. They never got to test the whole thing together.
So the only testing of it was done by the elders.
Tier 4 zone control was tested in the public closed beta on multiple occasions. I purposefully planned to not even play during these phases as I didn't want to "ruin the end-game", though I couldn't keep myself out quite as much as I'd hoped The biggest issues I saw during these phases were objectives in Praag bugging so whichever side didn't have that particular objective was unable to capture the zone and advance towards the capital. I can't remember if "the whole thing together" was tested in public closed beta or if it was elder beta, but I'm simply talking about zone lock down as this seems to be bugged according to the OP. My guess is that either the wrong Realm is being assigned victory points, or that the wrong Realm was given the lockdown.
It was tested in closed beta. I'm guessing that's why they didn't test it in open. That seems like a quite annoying bug that wasn't squashed. Sounds like something that's easy to fix, though.
Well they aren't fixing it in 1.0.3 or even acknowledging it exists. Just making zone "slower" to take. Iguess Destro still won't ever need any points but instead of capping in 10 minutes it will take 30 minutes of them sticking their thumbs up their asses for free epics from the fortress lords.
If this was broken or bugged, wouldnt it be the same on every server? Real question...i am not sure how the servers work but as i understand the game is the same on each server as far as rp goes? so if it's broken then every server should be the same.
Well, the code would be the same, but as events in the game don't always happen in the same way, so some of the code that works fine in most circumstances could go wrong under certain conditions, as the coder working on that part might have forgotten to take something into account, and the tests might not have revealed such a bug until now - or it could be a newly introduced bug in relation with other fixes or code optimization. It could also be a configuration issue - perhaps someone accidently set tier 4 victory points accumulated by Order to point to Destruction instead (if that's even possible to configure) on that server specifically.
Well, the code would be the same, but as events in the game don't always happen in the same way, so some of the code that works fine in most circumstances could go wrong under certain conditions, as the coder working on that part might have forgotten to take something into account, and the tests might not have revealed such a bug until now - or it could be a newly introduced bug in relation with other fixes or code optimization. It could also be a configuration issue - perhaps someone accidently set tier 4 victory points accumulated by Order to point to Destruction instead (if that's even possible to configure) on that server specifically.
In addition the European servers apparently do not recieve hot fixes at the same time.
So while this is happening on both US And EU servers. It is not always the case that KEP has exactly the same code as Volkmar.
Although in this case it is either some kind of server state issue or player bahavior issue (such as some particular quest that is bugged being done on some but not other servers).
As to why Volkmar Order seems to have extra problems in that they cannot even attack T4 keep doors. I dunno what is going on there. But they are very screwed.
On Karak Eight Peaks altdrof is currently besieged for the 3rd time and the 2nd time in two days.
Apparently and there are screen shots of this on warhammer alliance. They locked Praag without having ANY points in the neutral zone of Praag and locked the neutral zone of Dragonwake with 1 out of six points. On both case Order owned everything else including all keeps, the major RvR points of a zone.
Anyone who believes playing order is anything but a waste of time is deluded. WARS endgame is broken and has been broken and allowed to fester for 2 weeks.
In addition every win by destruction gives them renown, epxerience and they very best equipment. Making any server this happens on even more borken.
Do NOT play this game yet. Seriously. It has been stated over and over that this is an RvR game. Is this RvR? No, its crap.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Dude every single point in Praag was BLUE yet it got locked by Destruction. Including both keeps. Order held those points for SIX HOURS and it still flipped.
Do you have any idea what that means?
Yes it means there is a bug that needs to be fixed and its a good thing these guys are testing for the rest of us, this kinda reminds me of nihilum beating down Illidan the week BT was released then they just started hotfixing everything for the rest of us, and I sure didnt have less fun beating him 5 months after.
On Karak Eight Peaks altdrof is currently besieged for the 3rd time and the 2nd time in two days.
Apparently and there are screen shots of this on warhammer alliance. They locked Praag without having ANY points in the neutral zone of Praag and locked the neutral zone of Dragonwake with 1 out of six points. On both case Order owned everything else including all keeps, the major RvR points of a zone.
Anyone who believes playing order is anything but a waste of time is deluded. WARS endgame is broken and has been broken and allowed to fester for 2 weeks.
In addition every win by destruction gives them renown, epxerience and they very best equipment. Making any server this happens on even more borken.
Do NOT play this game yet. Seriously. It has been stated over and over that this is an RvR game. Is this RvR? No, its crap.
completly agree. Game's RVR campaign is totally bugged atm. Bugs and bugs.. all or most favouring destruction including dest pets firing through walls and climbing the castle walls to hit the protected defenders etc.. really an extensive list.
On Karak Eight Peaks altdrof is currently besieged for the 3rd time and the 2nd time in two days.
Apparently and there are screen shots of this on warhammer alliance. They locked Praag without having ANY points in the neutral zone of Praag and locked the neutral zone of Dragonwake with 1 out of six points. On both case Order owned everything else including all keeps, the major RvR points of a zone.
Anyone who believes playing order is anything but a waste of time is deluded. WARS endgame is broken and has been broken and allowed to fester for 2 weeks.
In addition every win by destruction gives them renown, epxerience and they very best equipment. Making any server this happens on even more borken.
Do NOT play this game yet. Seriously. It has been stated over and over that this is an RvR game. Is this RvR? No, its crap.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Dude every single point in Praag was BLUE yet it got locked by Destruction. Including both keeps. Order held those points for SIX HOURS and it still flipped.
Do you have any idea what that means?
Yes it means there is a bug that needs to be fixed and its a good thing these guys are testing for the rest of us, this kinda reminds me of nihilum beating down Illidan the week BT was released then they just started hotfixing everything for the rest of us, and I sure didnt have less fun beating him 5 months after.
Yeah unfortunately while that analogy is somewhat apt it is PvE based. WAR is meant and designed to be a RvR game.
Yet every single problem and imbalance is a detriment to Order and a boon to Destruction and Destruction already outnumber Order 2:1.
I woould be fine if there were multiple bugs and Order got some and Destro got some. But it doesn't work that way. Order gets screwed over and over. Destruction reaps the rewards because Mythic lets an unfaor situation stand.
In addition taking fortresses and cities gives the best loot in the game. So they cement the advantage even more.
This is not some PvE encounter where a top guild wipes over and over due to stupid bugs. They actually hurts everyone across the whoel game and may due permanent damage.
If only 10% of the playerbase winds up playing Order the game will fail. In fact it will be a laughing stock.
Volkmar is one of the best servers as far as the Order faction is concerned. Yet it is crippled. Skull throne is doing well with Order and while not as crippled with bugs as Volkmar they are reporting that this same behavior has thwarted multiple almost fortress takes, while Destruction has sieged Altdrof multiple times on multiple servers very easily.
The key difference is that this problem is not in a Vaccum and potentially make servers that used to be good turn into jokes. Why any decent Order guild would stay on Volkmar at this point is beyond me.
And frankly if they are going to re-roll they would be fools to roll Order at this point.
A WoW server can survive perfectly fine if it is 90% alliance, even BGs will pop since they are cross server. A WAR server with 90% destruction is a cruel joke.
On Karak Eight Peaks altdrof is currently besieged for the 3rd time and the 2nd time in two days.
Apparently and there are screen shots of this on warhammer alliance. They locked Praag without having ANY points in the neutral zone of Praag and locked the neutral zone of Dragonwake with 1 out of six points. On both case Order owned everything else including all keeps, the major RvR points of a zone.
Anyone who believes playing order is anything but a waste of time is deluded. WARS endgame is broken and has been broken and allowed to fester for 2 weeks.
In addition every win by destruction gives them renown, epxerience and they very best equipment. Making any server this happens on even more borken.
Do NOT play this game yet. Seriously. It has been stated over and over that this is an RvR game. Is this RvR? No, its crap.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Dude every single point in Praag was BLUE yet it got locked by Destruction. Including both keeps. Order held those points for SIX HOURS and it still flipped.
Do you have any idea what that means?
Yes it means there is a bug that needs to be fixed and its a good thing these guys are testing for the rest of us, this kinda reminds me of nihilum beating down Illidan the week BT was released then they just started hotfixing everything for the rest of us, and I sure didnt have less fun beating him 5 months after.
Yeah unfortunately while that analogy is somewhat apt it is PvE based. WAR is meant and designed to be a RvR game.
Yet every single problem and imbalance is a detriment to Order and a boon to Destruction and Destruction already outnumber Order 2:1.
I woould be fine if there were multiple bugs and Order got some and Destro got some. But it doesn't work that way. Order gets screwed over and over. Destruction reaps the rewards because Mythic lets an unfaor situation stand.
In addition taking fortresses and cities gives the best loot in the game. So they cement the advantage even more.
This is not some PvE encounter where a top guild wipes over and over due to stupid bugs. They actually hurts everyone across the whoel game and may due permanent damage.
If only 10% of the playerbase winds up playing Order the game will fail. In fact it will be a laughing stock.
Volkmar is one of the best servers as far as the Order faction is concerned. Yet it is crippled. Skull throne is doing well with Order and while not as crippled with bugs as Volkmar they are reporting that this same behavior has thwarted multiple almost fortress takes, while Destruction has sieged Altdrof multiple times on multiple servers very easily.
The key difference is that this problem is not in a Vaccum and potentially make servers that used to be good turn into jokes. Why any decent Order guild would stay on Volkmar at this point is beyond me.
And frankly if they are going to re-roll they would be fools to roll Order at this point.
A WoW server can survive perfectly fine if it is 90% alliance, even BGs will pop since they are cross server. A WAR server with 90% destruction is a cruel joke.
I have to agree with you there, even tho the situation in my analogy is of similar nature the fact that is PVE vs PVP does change quite alot of things, I think im lucky to be playing on a server where both sides are high and havent really noticed the population imbalance people are complainting about, all I can say is , seeing how they have tried to handle every single problem ASAP so far I will trust mythic to be looking into ways to balance out the population.
Regarding the siege I know its a bit of a disapointment but lets face it, its only a tiny portion of the population and Im glad they are testing it for the rest of us.
I don't recommend following the OP biased opinion. I will admit that Destruction has an advantage currently due to magus abilities that allow moveable aoe as well as other advantages here and there that we do not seem to have on Order. However, I have been having an absolute blast so far playing Order on Azazel. I feel it is pretty even so far as the push to take over eachother's city has been back and forth, hell we have probably been winning.
I think the game will go through some growing pains dealing with the large scale RvR, but nothing that shouldn't be expected or that will hurt the game. It is a good game right now that is setting up to be a great game. My advice is that if you are on a server that is getting rolled then you need to shop for a good organized guild to make a difference in your realm. This game is very much based on guilds and so if you try to solo everything you will not have much fun at the end of the game.
I don't recommend following the OP biased opinion. I will admit that Destruction has an advantage currently due to magus abilities that allow moveable aoe as well as other advantages here and there that we do not seem to have on Order. However, I have been having an absolute blast so far playing Order on Azazel. I feel it is pretty even so far as the push to take over eachother's city has been back and forth, hell we have probably been winning. I think the game will go through some growing pains dealing with the large scale RvR, but nothing that shouldn't be expected or that will hurt the game. It is a good game right now that is setting up to be a great game. My advice is that if you are on a server that is getting rolled then you need to shop for a good organized guild to make a difference in your realm. This game is very much based on guilds and so if you try to solo everything you will not have much fun at the end of the game.
Opinion?
Oh right I never posted any facts, silly me. Next time I should maybe get some screenshots or something. Oh hold on those pictures in the warhammer alliance thread are screenshots aren't they?
I don't think the problem lies in the game, but in the players.
Why aren't order players defending Altdrof? I realize their aren't that many people at 40, but im sure their are plenty enough to put up a good defense, especially against an attack on the capital.
If your loosing your capital, its because you didn't defend it well enough, and you deserved to be penalized for not standing up for your realm.
It seems like everyone has forgotten the spirit of Realm vs realm..
edit: also if i recall, lower level players can prevent the enemy from gaining access to the capital at all to my understanding, if the players would actually fight for their tiers, but they don't so far, so yet again, you have only your realm to blame.
One od the main problems to me especially in t2 scenarios is how often dest tanks just roll over order we just get slaughtered and never recover..exactly the same in RvR....
I don't think the problem lies in the game, but in the players. Why aren't order players defending Altdrof? I realize their aren't that many people at 40, but im sure their are plenty enough to put up a good defense, especially against an attack on the capital. If your loosing your capital, its because you didn't defend it well enough, and you deserved to be penalized for not standing up for your realm. It seems like everyone has forgotten the spirit of Realm vs realm.. edit: also if i recall, lower level players can prevent the enemy from gaining access to the capital at all to my understanding, if the players would actually fight for their tiers, but they don't so far, so yet again, you have only your realm to blame.
Hold on. So Destruction captures Praag for FREE. They own NO CONTROL POINTS and still lock the zone and own.
And yet this is Order's fault. Are you serious? I mean take a long hard look at what you said and the facts of the case.
They gained access to the Fortress by own ZERO out of FOUR keep and ONE out of EIGHT BFO.
I mean SRSLY? I you really going to try to pull this off? SRSLY? Yikes. Just plain yikes.
On Karak Eight Peaks altdrof is currently besieged for the 3rd time and the 2nd time in two days.
Apparently and there are screen shots of this on warhammer alliance. They locked Praag without having ANY points in the neutral zone of Praag and locked the neutral zone of Dragonwake with 1 out of six points. On both case Order owned everything else including all keeps, the major RvR points of a zone.
Anyone who believes playing order is anything but a waste of time is deluded. WARS endgame is broken and has been broken and allowed to fester for 2 weeks.
In addition every win by destruction gives them renown, epxerience and they very best equipment. Making any server this happens on even more borken.
Do NOT play this game yet. Seriously. It has been stated over and over that this is an RvR game. Is this RvR? No, its crap.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Umm hello, not only is this a broken game issue, it's becoming a fairly known broken game mechanic.
On Karak Eight Peaks altdrof is currently besieged for the 3rd time and the 2nd time in two days.
Apparently and there are screen shots of this on warhammer alliance. They locked Praag without having ANY points in the neutral zone of Praag and locked the neutral zone of Dragonwake with 1 out of six points. On both case Order owned everything else including all keeps, the major RvR points of a zone.
Anyone who believes playing order is anything but a waste of time is deluded. WARS endgame is broken and has been broken and allowed to fester for 2 weeks.
In addition every win by destruction gives them renown, epxerience and they very best equipment. Making any server this happens on even more borken.
Do NOT play this game yet. Seriously. It has been stated over and over that this is an RvR game. Is this RvR? No, its crap.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Don't know how we can defend much better than this..
That made me laugh. This is the reason people weren't allowed to test T4 openly since it was buggy as hell. Having NDA on certain zones until launch day is always a sign developers are hiding parts of the game that are broken, same happened in AoC.
OP I have a question...why are you so antagonistic? Honestly, I agree with you that whats going on is ridiculous, but there is no need to attack every single person who posts here. A lot of these people bring up good points. Why was no one actually defending Altdorf? When asked your only answer was that owning the keeps and BO's in the zone should be enough, but if someone is attacking the CITY why were you guys not in the CITY defending? That's a pretty good way to help stop them from getting epics....
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
OP I have a question...why are you so antagonistic? Honestly, I agree with you that whats going on is ridiculous, but there is no need to attack every single person who posts here. A lot of these people bring up good points. Why was no one actually defending Altdorf? When asked your only answer was that owning the keeps and BO's in the zone should be enough, but if someone is attacking the CITY why were you guys not in the CITY defending? That's a pretty good way to help stop them from getting epics....
That was only one poster who asked that question. That poster was being silly and purposely diverting the issue. Or they were being argumentative for its own sake since what they were saying made no sense when put into context.
The city defense is not the issue. It should never have even have happened. The borked campaign is the issue. I never said anything about the actual city defense. Did I say Altdorf was taken? Did I say anything about how many people defended the fortress?
No I purposely left all that out bbecause its immaterial to the issue. The issue is zone control and that the entire march up to the city was completely borked.
Destruction should never have even been able to attack the fortress. That is the entire design of the game. It does not matter if 1 Order or 1000 Order showed up to defend the city, Destruction should never have been able to capture points in Reikwald to be able to open the Fortress for attack
I do not play on Karak Eight peaks. There is no "you guys" here.
OP I have a question...why are you so antagonistic? Honestly, I agree with you that whats going on is ridiculous, but there is no need to attack every single person who posts here. A lot of these people bring up good points. Why was no one actually defending Altdorf? When asked your only answer was that owning the keeps and BO's in the zone should be enough, but if someone is attacking the CITY why were you guys not in the CITY defending? That's a pretty good way to help stop them from getting epics....
That was only one poster who asked that question. That poster was being silly and purposely diverting the issue. Or they were being argumentative for its own sake since what they were saying made no sense when put into context.
The city defense is not the issue. It should never have even have happened. The borked campaign is the issue. I never said anything about the actual city defense. Did I say Altdorf was taken? Did I say anything about how many people defended the fortress?
No I purposely left all that out bbecause its immaterial to the issue. The issue is zone control and that the entire march up to the city was completely borked.
Destruction should never have even been able to attack the fortress. That is the entire design of the game. It does not matter if 1 Order or 1000 Order showed up to defend the city, Destruction should never have been able to capture points in Reikwald to be able to open the Fortress for attack
I do not play on Karak Eight peaks. There is no "you guys" here.
I agree that this issue shouldn't be able to occur what so ever. Read the thread linked above and you'll see a potential cause. Apparently suiciding and ressurecting is the culprit.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
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It was tested in closed beta. I'm guessing that's why they didn't test it in open. That seems like a quite annoying bug that wasn't squashed. Sounds like something that's easy to fix, though.
Not in public closed as far as I remember. They only got to test a few pieces of T4, and then only in parts, and then only with precreated rank 31 characters or something. They never got to test the whole thing together.
So the only testing of it was done by the elders.
The fanboys are killing this game. Mythic uses the VN boards no warhammer alliance and there is a solid wall of of either fanboys or loucst-lie PvPers. They have done nothing big ignore this problem and taunt the other other side.
This game is doomed. If the community and closed beta was composed of nothing but Greedy people all playing one side it might have had a chance.
It almost frightening.
The fanboys are killing this game. Mythic uses the VN boards no warhammer alliance and there is a solid wall of of either fanboys or loucst-lie PvPers. They have done nothing big ignore this problem and taunt the other other side.
This game is doomed. If the community and closed beta was composed of nothing but Greedy people all playing one side it might have had a chance.
It almost frightening.
Shame was not allowed to post thoughts with regards to closed beta because of NDA. This extact issue was the small print in the email that was sent out, talk about everything else apart from things like this.
Not only are there fanboi's running around screaming there are no bugs, its these same people that say NDA was lifted when it clearly was not fully lifted and some things needed to be said but werent allowed to the potential customer...
I had a very constructive thread deleted because of it, from which I put forward critical issues similar to the ones mentioned in this thread.
Mythic openly admit they wouldnt want their staff to go through potential issues on feedback such as this on an Official forum - so they didnt bother, because they cant handle it...
pitiful
Not in public closed as far as I remember. They only got to test a few pieces of T4, and then only in parts, and then only with precreated rank 31 characters or something. They never got to test the whole thing together.
So the only testing of it was done by the elders.
Tier 4 zone control was tested in the public closed beta on multiple occasions. I purposefully planned to not even play during these phases as I didn't want to "ruin the end-game", though I couldn't keep myself out quite as much as I'd hoped
The biggest issues I saw during these phases were objectives in Praag bugging so whichever side didn't have that particular objective was unable to capture the zone and advance towards the capital. I can't remember if "the whole thing together" was tested in public closed beta or if it was elder beta, but I'm simply talking about zone lock down as this seems to be bugged according to the OP. My guess is that either the wrong Realm is being assigned victory points, or that the wrong Realm was given the lockdown.
Well they aren't fixing it in 1.0.3 or even acknowledging it exists. Just making zone "slower" to take. Iguess Destro still won't ever need any points but instead of capping in 10 minutes it will take 30 minutes of them sticking their thumbs up their asses for free epics from the fortress lords.
I hope they'll look at it soon, as it's rather serious when it occurs. Order is having no trouble conquering tier 4 zones on my server, though.
If this was broken or bugged, wouldnt it be the same on every server? Real question...i am not sure how the servers work but as i understand the game is the same on each server as far as rp goes? so if it's broken then every server should be the same.
Well, the code would be the same, but as events in the game don't always happen in the same way, so some of the code that works fine in most circumstances could go wrong under certain conditions, as the coder working on that part might have forgotten to take something into account, and the tests might not have revealed such a bug until now - or it could be a newly introduced bug in relation with other fixes or code optimization. It could also be a configuration issue - perhaps someone accidently set tier 4 victory points accumulated by Order to point to Destruction instead (if that's even possible to configure) on that server specifically.
In addition the European servers apparently do not recieve hot fixes at the same time.
So while this is happening on both US And EU servers. It is not always the case that KEP has exactly the same code as Volkmar.
Although in this case it is either some kind of server state issue or player bahavior issue (such as some particular quest that is bugged being done on some but not other servers).
As to why Volkmar Order seems to have extra problems in that they cannot even attack T4 keep doors. I dunno what is going on there. But they are very screwed.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Dude every single point in Praag was BLUE yet it got locked by Destruction. Including both keeps. Order held those points for SIX HOURS and it still flipped.
Do you have any idea what that means?
Yes it means there is a bug that needs to be fixed and its a good thing these guys are testing for the rest of us, this kinda reminds me of nihilum beating down Illidan the week BT was released then they just started hotfixing everything for the rest of us, and I sure didnt have less fun beating him 5 months after.
completly agree. Game's RVR campaign is totally bugged atm. Bugs and bugs.. all or most favouring destruction including dest pets firing through walls and climbing the castle walls to hit the protected defenders etc.. really an extensive list.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Dude every single point in Praag was BLUE yet it got locked by Destruction. Including both keeps. Order held those points for SIX HOURS and it still flipped.
Do you have any idea what that means?
Yes it means there is a bug that needs to be fixed and its a good thing these guys are testing for the rest of us, this kinda reminds me of nihilum beating down Illidan the week BT was released then they just started hotfixing everything for the rest of us, and I sure didnt have less fun beating him 5 months after.
Yeah unfortunately while that analogy is somewhat apt it is PvE based. WAR is meant and designed to be a RvR game.
Yet every single problem and imbalance is a detriment to Order and a boon to Destruction and Destruction already outnumber Order 2:1.
I woould be fine if there were multiple bugs and Order got some and Destro got some. But it doesn't work that way. Order gets screwed over and over. Destruction reaps the rewards because Mythic lets an unfaor situation stand.
In addition taking fortresses and cities gives the best loot in the game. So they cement the advantage even more.
This is not some PvE encounter where a top guild wipes over and over due to stupid bugs. They actually hurts everyone across the whoel game and may due permanent damage.
If only 10% of the playerbase winds up playing Order the game will fail. In fact it will be a laughing stock.
Volkmar is one of the best servers as far as the Order faction is concerned. Yet it is crippled. Skull throne is doing well with Order and while not as crippled with bugs as Volkmar they are reporting that this same behavior has thwarted multiple almost fortress takes, while Destruction has sieged Altdrof multiple times on multiple servers very easily.
The key difference is that this problem is not in a Vaccum and potentially make servers that used to be good turn into jokes. Why any decent Order guild would stay on Volkmar at this point is beyond me.
And frankly if they are going to re-roll they would be fools to roll Order at this point.
A WoW server can survive perfectly fine if it is 90% alliance, even BGs will pop since they are cross server. A WAR server with 90% destruction is a cruel joke.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Dude every single point in Praag was BLUE yet it got locked by Destruction. Including both keeps. Order held those points for SIX HOURS and it still flipped.
Do you have any idea what that means?
Yes it means there is a bug that needs to be fixed and its a good thing these guys are testing for the rest of us, this kinda reminds me of nihilum beating down Illidan the week BT was released then they just started hotfixing everything for the rest of us, and I sure didnt have less fun beating him 5 months after.
Yeah unfortunately while that analogy is somewhat apt it is PvE based. WAR is meant and designed to be a RvR game.
Yet every single problem and imbalance is a detriment to Order and a boon to Destruction and Destruction already outnumber Order 2:1.
I woould be fine if there were multiple bugs and Order got some and Destro got some. But it doesn't work that way. Order gets screwed over and over. Destruction reaps the rewards because Mythic lets an unfaor situation stand.
In addition taking fortresses and cities gives the best loot in the game. So they cement the advantage even more.
This is not some PvE encounter where a top guild wipes over and over due to stupid bugs. They actually hurts everyone across the whoel game and may due permanent damage.
If only 10% of the playerbase winds up playing Order the game will fail. In fact it will be a laughing stock.
Volkmar is one of the best servers as far as the Order faction is concerned. Yet it is crippled. Skull throne is doing well with Order and while not as crippled with bugs as Volkmar they are reporting that this same behavior has thwarted multiple almost fortress takes, while Destruction has sieged Altdrof multiple times on multiple servers very easily.
The key difference is that this problem is not in a Vaccum and potentially make servers that used to be good turn into jokes. Why any decent Order guild would stay on Volkmar at this point is beyond me.
And frankly if they are going to re-roll they would be fools to roll Order at this point.
A WoW server can survive perfectly fine if it is 90% alliance, even BGs will pop since they are cross server. A WAR server with 90% destruction is a cruel joke.
I have to agree with you there, even tho the situation in my analogy is of similar nature the fact that is PVE vs PVP does change quite alot of things, I think im lucky to be playing on a server where both sides are high and havent really noticed the population imbalance people are complainting about, all I can say is , seeing how they have tried to handle every single problem ASAP so far I will trust mythic to be looking into ways to balance out the population.
Regarding the siege I know its a bit of a disapointment but lets face it, its only a tiny portion of the population and Im glad they are testing it for the rest of us.
I don't recommend following the OP biased opinion. I will admit that Destruction has an advantage currently due to magus abilities that allow moveable aoe as well as other advantages here and there that we do not seem to have on Order. However, I have been having an absolute blast so far playing Order on Azazel. I feel it is pretty even so far as the push to take over eachother's city has been back and forth, hell we have probably been winning.
I think the game will go through some growing pains dealing with the large scale RvR, but nothing that shouldn't be expected or that will hurt the game. It is a good game right now that is setting up to be a great game. My advice is that if you are on a server that is getting rolled then you need to shop for a good organized guild to make a difference in your realm. This game is very much based on guilds and so if you try to solo everything you will not have much fun at the end of the game.
Opinion?
Oh right I never posted any facts, silly me. Next time I should maybe get some screenshots or something. Oh hold on those pictures in the warhammer alliance thread are screenshots aren't they?
I don't think the problem lies in the game, but in the players.
Why aren't order players defending Altdrof? I realize their aren't that many people at 40, but im sure their are plenty enough to put up a good defense, especially against an attack on the capital.
If your loosing your capital, its because you didn't defend it well enough, and you deserved to be penalized for not standing up for your realm.
It seems like everyone has forgotten the spirit of Realm vs realm..
edit: also if i recall, lower level players can prevent the enemy from gaining access to the capital at all to my understanding, if the players would actually fight for their tiers, but they don't so far, so yet again, you have only your realm to blame.
One od the main problems to me especially in t2 scenarios is how often dest tanks just roll over order we just get slaughtered and never recover..exactly the same in RvR....
Hold on. So Destruction captures Praag for FREE. They own NO CONTROL POINTS and still lock the zone and own.
And yet this is Order's fault. Are you serious? I mean take a long hard look at what you said and the facts of the case.
They gained access to the Fortress by own ZERO out of FOUR keep and ONE out of EIGHT BFO.
I mean SRSLY? I you really going to try to pull this off? SRSLY? Yikes. Just plain yikes.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Umm hello, not only is this a broken game issue, it's becoming a fairly known broken game mechanic.
Why aren't you guys defending the city?
Any server that destro outnumber order 2-1 will see very one sided RVR battles. Not a game broken issue.. its a player issue.. you can't always tell players what to play.. they will always go for the cooller looking classes.
Don't know how we can defend much better than this..
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That made me laugh. This is the reason people weren't allowed to test T4 openly since it was buggy as hell. Having NDA on certain zones until launch day is always a sign developers are hiding parts of the game that are broken, same happened in AoC.
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OP I have a question...why are you so antagonistic? Honestly, I agree with you that whats going on is ridiculous, but there is no need to attack every single person who posts here. A lot of these people bring up good points. Why was no one actually defending Altdorf? When asked your only answer was that owning the keeps and BO's in the zone should be enough, but if someone is attacking the CITY why were you guys not in the CITY defending? That's a pretty good way to help stop them from getting epics....
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
That was only one poster who asked that question. That poster was being silly and purposely diverting the issue. Or they were being argumentative for its own sake since what they were saying made no sense when put into context.
The city defense is not the issue. It should never have even have happened. The borked campaign is the issue. I never said anything about the actual city defense. Did I say Altdorf was taken? Did I say anything about how many people defended the fortress?
No I purposely left all that out bbecause its immaterial to the issue. The issue is zone control and that the entire march up to the city was completely borked.
Destruction should never have even been able to attack the fortress. That is the entire design of the game. It does not matter if 1 Order or 1000 Order showed up to defend the city, Destruction should never have been able to capture points in Reikwald to be able to open the Fortress for attack
I do not play on Karak Eight peaks. There is no "you guys" here.
That was only one poster who asked that question. That poster was being silly and purposely diverting the issue. Or they were being argumentative for its own sake since what they were saying made no sense when put into context.
The city defense is not the issue. It should never have even have happened. The borked campaign is the issue. I never said anything about the actual city defense. Did I say Altdorf was taken? Did I say anything about how many people defended the fortress?
No I purposely left all that out bbecause its immaterial to the issue. The issue is zone control and that the entire march up to the city was completely borked.
Destruction should never have even been able to attack the fortress. That is the entire design of the game. It does not matter if 1 Order or 1000 Order showed up to defend the city, Destruction should never have been able to capture points in Reikwald to be able to open the Fortress for attack
I do not play on Karak Eight peaks. There is no "you guys" here.
I agree that this issue shouldn't be able to occur what so ever. Read the thread linked above and you'll see a potential cause. Apparently suiciding and ressurecting is the culprit.
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.