http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event. When they were cut from the game launch plans earlier this year, I said that the Black Guard and the Knight would be part of WAR only when they were great and deserved their place alongside all of WAR’s other compelling classes. I also said that we would not charge any additional fees for this new content or put it in a separate expansion pack; that’s not how we operate. We’ve kept to that plan and with the introduction of these two classes, Mythic shows that once again we are happy to keep giving players more value for their subscription dollars than any other MMORPG developer.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
It won't matter some people have their heads so far up Blizzard's rectum to see any form of truth, especially anything from the WAR forums.
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if mythic was blizzard you would be paying for those classes in an expansion 2 years from now. At least mythic are an honest company unlike blizzard.
You mean two of the four original classes the promised and then removed from the game? Stop being a hyper.
You mean how the Hero Class should of been in at launch on WoW but now we are paying for it? Also we are paying for the seige warfare that was supposed to be in at launch on WoW.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
if mythic was blizzard you would be paying for those classes in an expansion 2 years from now. At least mythic are an honest company unlike blizzard.
You mean two of the four original classes the promised and then removed from the game? Stop being a hyper.
whats a hyper? is that a blizzard meme. The other two classes will be added in time also, and you wont have to pay for them. Blizzard makes you pay 6dollars to change your name. blizzard is a dis-honest money greedy company, a game company that i once respected and now feel dirty if i play one of their games. Mythic told us those classes would be cut, they were honest..blizzard tell you nothing until the thing is released.
I see they still don't have a plan on actually getting people into the world, and out of the instanced scenarioes, to participate in those liars/quest.
It's already too late, I've seen server populations on WOW go from low to high just from a revision of class mechanics, 20 days till WOTLK? Warhammer has to release the new stuff before then or they're going to have a serious problem on their hands. Two types of people playing WAR at the moment: 1. PVP players 2. People waiting for WOTLK release
I have a feeling that option 1 is a very very small base of players, as i've found literally no open rvr and very long queue times even on "full" population servers in both T2 and T3 scenarios. That said, i'm excited about item linking, and chat changes, would be nice to have a real LFG tool as well, and maybe some sort of cross server scenarios to bring queue times down to reasonable levels (i.e..5-10 mins instead of 30+) Also we need the dwarf and orc melee! I don't like how he said "new content free of charge", these classes were in early early beta builds but were extremely buggy and unbalanced, reminds me of a saying from Tommy Boy about a steak!
You *grossly* underestimate the demand for a PvP centric MMO. Mythic still has a lot of tweaking to do (server populations/balance, scenarios), but the single PvP zone in WoW is *not* going to be enough for players like me. WoW fans waiting for WOTLK were never going to be satisfied with WAR anyway.
I see they still don't have a plan on actually getting people into the world, and out of the instanced scenarioes, to participate in those liars/quest.
The RvR Influence bar is supposed to take care of this. Besides buying Renown gear you will also get RvR related gear based on a Influence gained in open field for each pairing. So you can go into scenarios and grind exp and renown or you can go open field and get more exp, renown, and now better gear.
I see they still don't have a plan on actually getting people into the world, and out of the instanced scenarioes, to participate in those liars/quest.
You obviously didn't read the 'State of the Game' post, because MJ specifically mentions the desire to get more people into RvR, with enhanced rewards and earning Influence through RvR amongst other things.
Aren't those class broken and can't be put on release?
And with the interview saying they will not bring them back?
How can they fix 2 broken class so fast without beta testers and can't fix a simple mail system?
All the state of the game show they need your help to build the game they don't know what to do with.
This game is like a Linux operation system, open source. It might be good in few years, but few of us will use it. But unlike Linux, this game need mass population to be fun.
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event. When they were cut from the game launch plans earlier this year, I said that the Black Guard and the Knight would be part of WAR only when they were great and deserved their place alongside all of WAR’s other compelling classes. I also said that we would not charge any additional fees for this new content or put it in a separate expansion pack; that’s not how we operate. We’ve kept to that plan and with the introduction of these two classes, Mythic shows that once again we are happy to keep giving players more value for their subscription dollars than any other MMORPG developer.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event. When they were cut from the game launch plans earlier this year, I said that the Black Guard and the Knight would be part of WAR only when they were great and deserved their place alongside all of WAR’s other compelling classes. I also said that we would not charge any additional fees for this new content or put it in a separate expansion pack; that’s not how we operate. We’ve kept to that plan and with the introduction of these two classes, Mythic shows that once again we are happy to keep giving players more value for their subscription dollars than any other MMORPG developer.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
That shouldn't matter though. This is about a company giving players what was promised. Blizzard gets a small pat on the shoulder for giving players what they said would be in the game four years ago. The comparasion here is that Blizzard is charging money for things they said would be in the orginal game. Mythic so far has not. Now only time will tell if this statement remains true. Honestly I bet you that by this time next year not only will they have all 4 of the cut classes back- in one shape or another but you will proably have at least 2 of the lost 4 cities. So until they charge for cut content we can only judge on what they have done so far.
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event. When they were cut from the game launch plans earlier this year, I said that the Black Guard and the Knight would be part of WAR only when they were great and deserved their place alongside all of WAR’s other compelling classes. I also said that we would not charge any additional fees for this new content or put it in a separate expansion pack; that’s not how we operate. We’ve kept to that plan and with the introduction of these two classes, Mythic shows that once again we are happy to keep giving players more value for their subscription dollars than any other MMORPG developer.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Ok, lets do that then shall we?
How many classes have been added to WoW since 2004? How many classes does WoW have period? What has been added to WoW other than another couple of dungeons in its four years of life? The only thing that has changed in WoW is the fact that you now have to grind twenty more levels than you did when the game came out and you are just now getting what was promised to be release with the game at launch.
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http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event. When they were cut from the game launch plans earlier this year, I said that the Black Guard and the Knight would be part of WAR only when they were great and deserved their place alongside all of WAR’s other compelling classes. I also said that we would not charge any additional fees for this new content or put it in a separate expansion pack; that’s not how we operate. We’ve kept to that plan and with the introduction of these two classes, Mythic shows that once again we are happy to keep giving players more value for their subscription dollars than any other MMORPG developer.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Ok, lets do that then shall we?
How many classes have been added to WoW since 2004? How many classes does WoW have period? What has been added to WoW other than another couple of dungeons in its four years of life? The only thing that has changed in WoW is the fact that you now have to grind twenty more levels than you did when the game came out and you are just now getting what was promised to be release with the game at launch.
Without going through the obvious flaws in your statement:
Blizzard wasn't the ones claiming to give more value for our subscription dollars than any other MMO developers.
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event. When they were cut from the game launch plans earlier this year, I said that the Black Guard and the Knight would be part of WAR only when they were great and deserved their place alongside all of WAR’s other compelling classes. I also said that we would not charge any additional fees for this new content or put it in a separate expansion pack; that’s not how we operate. We’ve kept to that plan and with the introduction of these two classes, Mythic shows that once again we are happy to keep giving players more value for their subscription dollars than any other MMORPG developer.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Ok, lets do that then shall we?
How many classes have been added to WoW since 2004? How many classes does WoW have period? What has been added to WoW other than another couple of dungeons in its four years of life? The only thing that has changed in WoW is the fact that you now have to grind twenty more levels than you did when the game came out and you are just now getting what was promised to be release with the game at launch.
Without going through the obvious flaws in your statement:
Blizzard wasn't the ones claiming to give more value for our subscription dollars than any other MMO developers.
To be honest for them to try it would be a Lie. Mark Jacobs is showing that Mythic will give what it promised before chargin its subscribers for a expansion of new content. Not tossing it in 2 expansions later.
So yeah lets get a few things straight, no one cares about WAR being better then WOW, or at least I dont and I think the constant comparison is rediculous.
1) WoW is a good game,
2) WAR is a good game.
3) True facts: regardless of what you may beleive: If Mythic stated that the cut content was going to be in the games release (like AOC) and it wasnt then thats bad form. However Mythic announced they were cutting it for good reason (stability and balancing issues). Now they are telling us instead of paying for this added content in an expansion much like what Blizzard has done with a few things. Everyone should be happy, in fact who really cares what Blizzard has promised. Last I checked were talking about the state of how WAR is doing not WoW
4) We on this forum are not going to make change the way Blizzard does their MMO's I think its pretty aparant that after 4 years of new class requests and other things...they have basically showed us they arent going to listen to everything we ask for. Nor should they.
5) So far and none of you can dis-credit Mythic at the current time, given everything they are doing I say their overall performance is A++ and much better then any other company so far. I dont care about LOTRO or L2 so dont even bother bringing them up. No company to day in the history of MMO's (and i have been around a while) has even come close to the smoothness of the WAR launch or the quickness of the team to fix updates and "LISTEN" to the player base.
6) Flame me all you want, but you cannot avoid the facts. A company that realeses there game can controll the content in which you use. And I tip my hat to Mythic for giving us so much free content within just the first year. And dont say they had them planned to be in at launch because they announced they changed their plans and you WERE ALL AWARE OF IT. You knew what you bought so you cant say that they are just giving you what they were going to put in anyway. Because you can say the same thing then about every damn class fix or update in any other MMO.
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare) Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Once again missing the point. World of Warcraft is adding in cut content and charging for it.
Warhammer Online is adding in cut content and not charging for it.
World of Warcraft is adding in that cut content 4 years after launch.
Warhammer Online is adding it in 3 months after launch.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I'm very impressed! The state of the game contains lots of promising information. RvR will finally get better / more gear drops and other incentives to support the foundation war is based on. Tons of good stuff coming soon.
Awesome news all around. I especially like how they are improving the performance and adding new classes already. The Knight of the Blazing Sun was the class I was most looking forward too aside from the Hammerer. I am glad to see that the Knight is coming in Dec.
1st State of the game is out: http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Edit: Looking good, 2 new classes, performance and stuttering being adressed, finetuning of existing classes, implementation of major changes to the chat system, more Tome unlocks, droprate and itemization updates, more incentives to engage in world RvR, server transfers, etc.
This is what happens when you push an unfinished product out the door to beat the rivals expansion.
1st State of the game is out: http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386 Edit: Looking good, 2 new classes, performance and stuttering being adressed, finetuning of existing classes, implementation of major changes to the chat system, more Tome unlocks, droprate and itemization updates, more incentives to engage in world RvR, server transfers, etc.
This is what happens when you push an unfinished product out the door to beat the rivals expansion.
Interesting opinion, look...there it goes...lets all wave...
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What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
It won't matter some people have their heads so far up Blizzard's rectum to see any form of truth, especially anything from the WAR forums.
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You mean two of the four original classes the promised and then removed from the game? Stop being a hyper.
Sadly Locklain is 100% right.
Hero classes and siege engines where supposed to be at launch in WoW.
And we don't speak about 2 hero classes but at least one for each classes if not multiples.
You mean two of the four original classes the promised and then removed from the game? Stop being a hyper.
You mean how the Hero Class should of been in at launch on WoW but now we are paying for it? Also we are paying for the seige warfare that was supposed to be in at launch on WoW.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Black Guards look like they use polearms... do Knights of the Blazing Sun? I've wanted polearms forever!!
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Darkfall: December or vaporware!
You mean two of the four original classes the promised and then removed from the game? Stop being a hyper.
whats a hyper? is that a blizzard meme. The other two classes will be added in time also, and you wont have to pay for them. Blizzard makes you pay 6dollars to change your name. blizzard is a dis-honest money greedy company, a game company that i once respected and now feel dirty if i play one of their games. Mythic told us those classes would be cut, they were honest..blizzard tell you nothing until the thing is released.
I see they still don't have a plan on actually getting people into the world, and out of the instanced scenarioes, to participate in those liars/quest.
You *grossly* underestimate the demand for a PvP centric MMO. Mythic still has a lot of tweaking to do (server populations/balance, scenarios), but the single PvP zone in WoW is *not* going to be enough for players like me. WoW fans waiting for WOTLK were never going to be satisfied with WAR anyway.
The RvR Influence bar is supposed to take care of this. Besides buying Renown gear you will also get RvR related gear based on a Influence gained in open field for each pairing. So you can go into scenarios and grind exp and renown or you can go open field and get more exp, renown, and now better gear.
You obviously didn't read the 'State of the Game' post, because MJ specifically mentions the desire to get more people into RvR, with enhanced rewards and earning Influence through RvR amongst other things.
Aren't those class broken and can't be put on release?
And with the interview saying they will not bring them back?
How can they fix 2 broken class so fast without beta testers and can't fix a simple mail system?
All the state of the game show they need your help to build the game they don't know what to do with.
This game is like a Linux operation system, open source. It might be good in few years, but few of us will use it. But unlike Linux, this game need mass population to be fun.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
That shouldn't matter though. This is about a company giving players what was promised. Blizzard gets a small pat on the shoulder for giving players what they said would be in the game four years ago. The comparasion here is that Blizzard is charging money for things they said would be in the orginal game. Mythic so far has not. Now only time will tell if this statement remains true. Honestly I bet you that by this time next year not only will they have all 4 of the cut classes back- in one shape or another but you will proably have at least 2 of the lost 4 cities. So until they charge for cut content we can only judge on what they have done so far.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Ok, lets do that then shall we?
How many classes have been added to WoW since 2004? How many classes does WoW have period? What has been added to WoW other than another couple of dungeons in its four years of life? The only thing that has changed in WoW is the fact that you now have to grind twenty more levels than you did when the game came out and you are just now getting what was promised to be release with the game at launch.
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What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Ok, lets do that then shall we?
How many classes have been added to WoW since 2004? How many classes does WoW have period? What has been added to WoW other than another couple of dungeons in its four years of life? The only thing that has changed in WoW is the fact that you now have to grind twenty more levels than you did when the game came out and you are just now getting what was promised to be release with the game at launch.
Without going through the obvious flaws in your statement:
Blizzard wasn't the ones claiming to give more value for our subscription dollars than any other MMO developers.
What?
You first announced all the classes, then removed 4 of them, then at a later time adds half of what you removed, and you dare saying this gives your players more value for their money than what they get from any other MMO?
And you're even bragging about not charging for what should have been in the game at release!
Sorry, Jacobs - I had a lot of respect for you earlier, but it's all gone now!
Why not be proud of that fact? Blizzard took out content that was supposed to be in at launch and turned around and are charging for it. (Hero classes, siege warfare)
Especially Hero Classes. People have not only had to wait 4 years for this feature (that was supposed to be in at launch) but now have to pay for it as well.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Ok, lets do that then shall we?
How many classes have been added to WoW since 2004? How many classes does WoW have period? What has been added to WoW other than another couple of dungeons in its four years of life? The only thing that has changed in WoW is the fact that you now have to grind twenty more levels than you did when the game came out and you are just now getting what was promised to be release with the game at launch.
Without going through the obvious flaws in your statement:
Blizzard wasn't the ones claiming to give more value for our subscription dollars than any other MMO developers.
To be honest for them to try it would be a Lie. Mark Jacobs is showing that Mythic will give what it promised before chargin its subscribers for a expansion of new content. Not tossing it in 2 expansions later.
So yeah lets get a few things straight, no one cares about WAR being better then WOW, or at least I dont and I think the constant comparison is rediculous.
1) WoW is a good game,
2) WAR is a good game.
3) True facts: regardless of what you may beleive: If Mythic stated that the cut content was going to be in the games release (like AOC) and it wasnt then thats bad form. However Mythic announced they were cutting it for good reason (stability and balancing issues). Now they are telling us instead of paying for this added content in an expansion much like what Blizzard has done with a few things. Everyone should be happy, in fact who really cares what Blizzard has promised. Last I checked were talking about the state of how WAR is doing not WoW
4) We on this forum are not going to make change the way Blizzard does their MMO's I think its pretty aparant that after 4 years of new class requests and other things...they have basically showed us they arent going to listen to everything we ask for. Nor should they.
5) So far and none of you can dis-credit Mythic at the current time, given everything they are doing I say their overall performance is A++ and much better then any other company so far. I dont care about LOTRO or L2 so dont even bother bringing them up. No company to day in the history of MMO's (and i have been around a while) has even come close to the smoothness of the WAR launch or the quickness of the team to fix updates and "LISTEN" to the player base.
6) Flame me all you want, but you cannot avoid the facts. A company that realeses there game can controll the content in which you use. And I tip my hat to Mythic for giving us so much free content within just the first year. And dont say they had them planned to be in at launch because they announced they changed their plans and you WERE ALL AWARE OF IT. You knew what you bought so you cant say that they are just giving you what they were going to put in anyway. Because you can say the same thing then about every damn class fix or update in any other MMO.
Next on the list .. Hammerer if your a Order Junkie... But I guess 1 step at a time.. KotBS and Black Guard.
That's the typical WAR fanboy, always comparing against releases that were ages ago, and especially WoW. This is 2008, not 2004.
And Jacobs talks about "KEEP giving players more value..", Which means he's talking about present time and future, and not the situation several years ago. Therefore, you have to compare with other games in their present state, and for those of you who always compare against WoW, that includes TBC with all it's patches. Heck, you'll even have to add WotLK to that list, since WAR's 2 next classes comes later.
Once again missing the point. World of Warcraft is adding in cut content and charging for it.
Warhammer Online is adding in cut content and not charging for it.
World of Warcraft is adding in that cut content 4 years after launch.
Warhammer Online is adding it in 3 months after launch.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
This news = me continuing the subscription till end of this year
woot for KOTBS. it's cut is part of the reason I didn't buy the game.
I'm very impressed! The state of the game contains lots of promising information. RvR will finally get better / more gear drops and other incentives to support the foundation war is based on. Tons of good stuff coming soon.
Awesome news all around. I especially like how they are improving the performance and adding new classes already. The Knight of the Blazing Sun was the class I was most looking forward too aside from the Hammerer. I am glad to see that the Knight is coming in Dec.
This is what happens when you push an unfinished product out the door to beat the rivals expansion.
This is what happens when you push an unfinished product out the door to beat the rivals expansion.
Interesting opinion, look...there it goes...lets all wave...