I guess the US and Canadian lottery commissions need to get on Topps and Fleers ass then. Oh..and Wizards of the Coast....All of these companies have been exploiting the "rare" card trap...both on children and adults for a long while now. You're never guaranteed a rookie or a hologram or foil or Blackspawn of the Moors when you buy a pack of their cards. It's usually the motivator for purchase though and if you get one .....you can charge a butt-load of cash for it. Is this gambling?
You're talking about a function of the card game that rewards you with other functions of the card game, as opposed to using a function of the card game to reward someone with something totally unrelated.
It's like going to a carnival and wanting to ride the carousel, but you have to win a ticket playing the milk bottles game first. It's obvious that it's just a scam. However, nobody is going to complain if they are giving away stuffed animals, because stuffed animals aren't required to enjoy the rest of the carnival.
People wanting to play SWG shouldn't be punished for not wanting to pay for the TCG. People who play the TCG anyways aren't going to care either way, since the rewards are just a bonus.
Yes lets blame the game for some idiot with a gambling problem wasting his cash to get a certain card. While we're at it, lets blame the casinos for not letting everyone who enters win the jackpot.
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
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I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...
As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true. As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.
Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.
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The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense. If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card.
At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference. By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.
Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
So people who are prone to gambling should not be allowed to posess Credit cards? Do you even read the stuff you write?
Conversely, Is it possible that MAYBE SOE shouldn't be allowed to break countless state and provincial gambling laws in pursuit of the dollar?
SOE could be slaughtering kittens and you'd have some way to rationalise it.
Agree to disagree.
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If you can't keep control of your spending habbits then no, you shouldn't have a credit card, gambling or otherwise. I'm sure gambling rules here are mostly the same here in NZ as in the US - the TCG wouldn't be considered gambling though
I'm sure if SOE had been breaking any laws action would have already been taken, especially considering it's existed in EQ2 for a year and a half now.
again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more
Blizzard isn't giving away raiding epics in their card game. In fact, all of their items are PURE 100% cosmetics and nothing more. I still don't like it, but at least it's not interfering with my gameplay.
again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more
ROFLMAO
I cant speak for anyone else here, but I can tell you that I dont have "SOE hate". I have defended my right to play and enjoy SWG from many of the same people who I am agreeing with in this thread.
There is a fundamental difference. Debating whether or not we like the game is subjective and based purely on one's own opinion and personal enjoyment of SWG.
When SOE conspires to break the law by preying on people with a predisposition to gambling while operating OUTSIDE of the legal entities that were put in place with the specific purpose of making sure that this kind of thing does not happen. We have to make sure they are properly reported and either adhere to the laws (depending on location) or have the TCG permanently shutdown.
You can rest assured that I am pursuing this and there are others who are doing the same. I dont even care if it gets the whole game taken off the air.
long ago i had a friend who played magic ccg and let me tell ya he spend thousands of dollars on cards trust me wotc didint milk anything from him
no one comes to swg players homes and makes them buy cards its a choise
just like no one from blizzard forces anyone to buy their ccg
so again you can call me a troll or what ever you like
fact remains stop being hypocrites unless your all prepared to start posting on the wow forums here crying how you didnt get a loot card and its against the law cause its a lottery your nothing more then soe haters
and for the record i played swg from way back it was fun yes but no it wasnt the end all be all game
edited cause you shouldnt post after argueing with comcast for 15 mins
its not milking anything from anyone long ago i had a friend who played magic ccg and let me tell ya he spend thousands of dollars on cards trust me wotc didint milk anything from him no one comes to swg players homes and makes them buy cards its a choise just like no one from blizzard forces anyone to buy their ccg so again you can call me a troll or what ever you like fact remains stop being hypocrites unless your all prepared to start posting on the wow forums here crying how you didnt get a loot card and its against the law cause its a lottery your nothing more then soe haters and for the record i played swg from way back it was fun yes but no it wasnt the end all be all game
edited cause you shouldnt post after argueing with comcast for 15 mins
You're missing the point so until you actually understand what we are discussing, best to stop making yourself look ignorant. In my case, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with "SOE hate" and more to do with a company exploiting vulnerable people using an illegal mechanism.
It has already been explained to you that what goes on in WoW is not the same thing but you seem intent on ignoring people's explanations and continuing to call everyone who does't share your opinion an "SOE hater".
so explain to me how ones comanys loot cards are diffrent from the other ? there are people who buy swg cards for the sole reason to get lootcards there are people who buy wow cards for the sole reason to get loot cards how is it diffrent the fact that you can access the swg game inside of the game isnt really a factor as i see it since your beef seems to be the loot cards and those have nothing to do with the ccg itself so please maybe i am missing something so please i ask again explain it to me
I've read some posts about people losing a lot of money trying to get a specific loot card in the StarWars TCG. Has that happened to anyone on this board? I'd be curious to know what you were after, how much it cost you, and whether or not you ever actually got what you were looking for.
how is this diffrent from my old friend phil spending thousands of dollars on magic to get all those silly mox cards ?
how is it diffrent from my sister buying her son box after box of pokemon cards cause he "hadto have" the special rare cards?
as i see it the rare cards are what keeps people buying ccg cards look i have no love for soe or any game company for that matter i play whats fun for me at that moment and when i get bored i move on
i just dont see how this is praying on people in anyway
I've read some posts about people losing a lot of money trying to get a specific loot card in the StarWars TCG. Has that happened to anyone on this board? I'd be curious to know what you were after, how much it cost you, and whether or not you ever actually got what you were looking for.
how is this diffrent from my old friend phil spending thousands of dollars on magic to get all those silly mox cards ? how is it diffrent from my sister buying her son box after box of pokemon cards cause he "hadto have" the special rare cards?
as i see it the rare cards are what keeps people buying ccg cards look i have no love for soe or any game company for that matter i play whats fun for me at that moment and when i get bored i move on i just dont see how this is praying on people in anyway
again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more
If you knew Sharky at all, you'd know that this is not about SOE or SWG hate. You're just missing the boat on that comment completely.
Also, you may find that current and former SWG players discuss SWG, not WoW. There's really nothing strange about that. It would strike me as more out of place for SWG players to talk about a game they maybe never played and probably don't care about.
For my part, I just think if something is run like a game of chance, and people are losing real cash playing it, it should be called what it is, and regulated accordingly. Is there some reason you wouldn't want players to know what they're getting into, what the odds of winning are, what the risks of losing are? Why would anyone not want players to know these things?
P.S. The poster with the intelligent looking cat avatar pointed out an important difference between this virtual card game and other trading card games. The loot people are gambling for isn't actually a part of the TCG at all. People are enticed to buy TCG cards in the hope of winning virtual loot that will give them an advantage in an online videogame that they are already paying a subscription fee to play.
Others have also pointed out that with regular TCG's you actually own the cards you purchase too. Not so in this game. You pay a whack of cash and SOE can change the value of any cards, or delete them anytime they please according to their EULA.
People have tried to compare the loot card lottery to product promotionals and other TCGs. Unfortunately, there are significant differences between these things and what SOE is doing here. The differences are subtle (possibly by design) but significant.
Why would anyone not want players to know these things?
You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments
Why would anyone not want players to know these things?
You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments
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I've told you the reason for my stance on this. I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread. If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.
Anyone who actually spends money to play SWG in the incomplete and broken form it represents has no sympathy from most reasonable people when he/she gets ripped off by an unregulated form of online gambling related to the game.
At that point they are just compounding their mistakes.
Why would anyone not want players to know these things?
You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments
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I've told you the reason for my stance on this. I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread. If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.
Lol, no I also got that you are incapable of objective commentary when it comes to SWG. I came to this conclusion because that IS what you said concerning credit cards and it is an irrational statement. As I said, we have to agree to disagree.
The issues have been clearly presented to you and you continue to sail down denial (it's not just a river in Egypt).
Er...who cares if anyone loses a lot of money trying to get this stuff? No, seriously, we are responsible for our own actions, and if we can't control it, well, chalk it up as a failed experiment of nature and move on. Like others said, no reason to restrict the enjoyment of many to protect the few from themselves.
amen
if you can't control your spending, mommy should take away your credit card
1. to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.
That's the definition of Gambling as taken from a dictionary..
SOE's card thing for SWG IS gambling.. end of that part of the argument.
Now i'll admit, i'm not a fan of the way SOE have done things but that by no means makes me bitter or twisted towards them. The simple fact is that this "card thing" that SOE introduced to SWG is in fact gambling and was only brought in as a way for them to make more money before the game is likely to take a swan dive off a waterfall.. and to be honest if it makes even Sharkypal question something they've done then it's heading that way as me and him have had numerous discussions regarding SOE and SWG and from those discussions i can tell he loves the game.
If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.
I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.
I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game... It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players. SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.
Players are accountable to themselves. SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.
If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well. I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were. I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game... It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players. SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them. Players are accountable to themselves. SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well. I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were. I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game... It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players. SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them. Players are accountable to themselves. SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
i think the difference is that you arent getting anything tangible or of value. I can go to a hotel in SWG and play lugjack and win credits - is that gambling? I pay a monthly subscription fee and have a chance to win virtual credits that cannot be redeemed for RL money or RL items
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If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well. I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were. I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game... It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players. SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them. Players are accountable to themselves. SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
What do you mean regulated? What they can regulate in buying this? You buy as much tickets in lottery with some chances to win. Here is same.
If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well. I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were. I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game... It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players. SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them. Players are accountable to themselves. SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provincial and international law.
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lol, I wonder what other universal concepts differ in NZ.
You're talking about a function of the card game that rewards you with other functions of the card game, as opposed to using a function of the card game to reward someone with something totally unrelated.
It's like going to a carnival and wanting to ride the carousel, but you have to win a ticket playing the milk bottles game first. It's obvious that it's just a scam. However, nobody is going to complain if they are giving away stuffed animals, because stuffed animals aren't required to enjoy the rest of the carnival.
People wanting to play SWG shouldn't be punished for not wanting to pay for the TCG. People who play the TCG anyways aren't going to care either way, since the rewards are just a bonus.
And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO? As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash. See the problem yet?
As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..
This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.
And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.
The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all.
Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.
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I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...
As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true. As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.
Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.
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The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense. If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card.
At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference. By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.
Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
So people who are prone to gambling should not be allowed to posess Credit cards? Do you even read the stuff you write?
Conversely, Is it possible that MAYBE SOE shouldn't be allowed to break countless state and provincial gambling laws in pursuit of the dollar?
SOE could be slaughtering kittens and you'd have some way to rationalise it.
Agree to disagree.
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If you can't keep control of your spending habbits then no, you shouldn't have a credit card, gambling or otherwise. I'm sure gambling rules here are mostly the same here in NZ as in the US - the TCG wouldn't be considered gambling though
I'm sure if SOE had been breaking any laws action would have already been taken, especially considering it's existed in EQ2 for a year and a half now.
again as i said before i dont see any of you rallying against blizzard for their ingame loot items from their ccg
so no this isnt about cards it isnt about gambling its about soe and your hate thats all nothing more
Blizzard isn't giving away raiding epics in their card game. In fact, all of their items are PURE 100% cosmetics and nothing more. I still don't like it, but at least it's not interfering with my gameplay.
ROFLMAO
I cant speak for anyone else here, but I can tell you that I dont have "SOE hate". I have defended my right to play and enjoy SWG from many of the same people who I am agreeing with in this thread.
There is a fundamental difference. Debating whether or not we like the game is subjective and based purely on one's own opinion and personal enjoyment of SWG.
When SOE conspires to break the law by preying on people with a predisposition to gambling while operating OUTSIDE of the legal entities that were put in place with the specific purpose of making sure that this kind of thing does not happen. We have to make sure they are properly reported and either adhere to the laws (depending on location) or have the TCG permanently shutdown.
You can rest assured that I am pursuing this and there are others who are doing the same. I dont even care if it gets the whole game taken off the air.
Regards
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its not milking anything from anyone
long ago i had a friend who played magic ccg and let me tell ya he spend thousands of dollars on cards trust me wotc didint milk anything from him
no one comes to swg players homes and makes them buy cards its a choise
just like no one from blizzard forces anyone to buy their ccg
so again you can call me a troll or what ever you like
fact remains stop being hypocrites unless your all prepared to start posting on the wow forums here crying how you didnt get a loot card and its against the law cause its a lottery your nothing more then soe haters
and for the record i played swg from way back it was fun yes but no it wasnt the end all be all game
edited cause you shouldnt post after argueing with comcast for 15 mins
You're missing the point so until you actually understand what we are discussing, best to stop making yourself look ignorant. In my case, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with "SOE hate" and more to do with a company exploiting vulnerable people using an illegal mechanism.
It has already been explained to you that what goes on in WoW is not the same thing but you seem intent on ignoring people's explanations and continuing to call everyone who does't share your opinion an "SOE hater".
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so explain to me how ones comanys loot cards are diffrent from the other ?
there are people who buy swg cards for the sole reason to get lootcards
there are people who buy wow cards for the sole reason to get loot cards
how is it diffrent
the fact that you can access the swg game inside of the game isnt really a factor as i see it
since your beef seems to be the loot cards
and those have nothing to do with the ccg itself
so please maybe i am missing something so please i ask again explain it to me
Its been explained, just go through the thread.
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okay so this is what this was started about
I've read some posts about people losing a lot of money trying to get a specific loot card in the StarWars TCG. Has that happened to anyone on this board? I'd be curious to know what you were after, how much it cost you, and whether or not you ever actually got what you were looking for.
how is this diffrent from my old friend phil spending thousands of dollars on magic to get all those silly mox cards ?
how is it diffrent from my sister buying her son box after box of pokemon cards cause he "hadto have" the special rare cards?
as i see it the rare cards are what keeps people buying ccg cards look i have no love for soe or any game company for that matter i play whats fun for me at that moment and when i get bored i move on
i just dont see how this is praying on people in anyway
No, obviously you don't.
If you knew Sharky at all, you'd know that this is not about SOE or SWG hate. You're just missing the boat on that comment completely.
Also, you may find that current and former SWG players discuss SWG, not WoW. There's really nothing strange about that. It would strike me as more out of place for SWG players to talk about a game they maybe never played and probably don't care about.
For my part, I just think if something is run like a game of chance, and people are losing real cash playing it, it should be called what it is, and regulated accordingly. Is there some reason you wouldn't want players to know what they're getting into, what the odds of winning are, what the risks of losing are? Why would anyone not want players to know these things?
P.S. The poster with the intelligent looking cat avatar pointed out an important difference between this virtual card game and other trading card games. The loot people are gambling for isn't actually a part of the TCG at all. People are enticed to buy TCG cards in the hope of winning virtual loot that will give them an advantage in an online videogame that they are already paying a subscription fee to play.
Others have also pointed out that with regular TCG's you actually own the cards you purchase too. Not so in this game. You pay a whack of cash and SOE can change the value of any cards, or delete them anytime they please according to their EULA.
People have tried to compare the loot card lottery to product promotionals and other TCGs. Unfortunately, there are significant differences between these things and what SOE is doing here. The differences are subtle (possibly by design) but significant.
You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments
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You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments
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I've told you the reason for my stance on this. I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread. If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.
Anyone who actually spends money to play SWG in the incomplete and broken form it represents has no sympathy from most reasonable people when he/she gets ripped off by an unregulated form of online gambling related to the game.
At that point they are just compounding their mistakes.
Tecmo Bowl.
If they spend that much on a card its there own fault.
But $OE is not without blame also for seting it up that way to begin with.
You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments
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I've told you the reason for my stance on this. I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread. If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.
Lol, no I also got that you are incapable of objective commentary when it comes to SWG. I came to this conclusion because that IS what you said concerning credit cards and it is an irrational statement. As I said, we have to agree to disagree.
The issues have been clearly presented to you and you continue to sail down denial (it's not just a river in Egypt).
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amen
if you can't control your spending, mommy should take away your credit card
1. to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.
That's the definition of Gambling as taken from a dictionary..
SOE's card thing for SWG IS gambling.. end of that part of the argument.
Now i'll admit, i'm not a fan of the way SOE have done things but that by no means makes me bitter or twisted towards them. The simple fact is that this "card thing" that SOE introduced to SWG is in fact gambling and was only brought in as a way for them to make more money before the game is likely to take a swan dive off a waterfall.. and to be honest if it makes even Sharkypal question something they've done then it's heading that way as me and him have had numerous discussions regarding SOE and SWG and from those discussions i can tell he loves the game.
If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.
I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.
I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game... It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players. SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.
Players are accountable to themselves. SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.
Tecmo Bowl.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
i think the difference is that you arent getting anything tangible or of value. I can go to a hotel in SWG and play lugjack and win credits - is that gambling? I pay a monthly subscription fee and have a chance to win virtual credits that cannot be redeemed for RL money or RL items
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You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
What do you mean regulated? What they can regulate in buying this? You buy as much tickets in lottery with some chances to win. Here is same.
You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.
Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provincial and international law.
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